Can you tone down the rhetoric a bit?  I have no idea what Obama did to set you off tonight, but jeez.

People don't realize why these forces are trying to stop Hillary.

Its precisely BECAUSE she is trying to HELP AMERICA'S  people and STOP A HUGE DISASTER for hundreds of thousands of people...

I feel that Obama is a fake.. and America and the Democratic party are being betrayed.

The more-vote-getting thing?  Yeah, I understand.

who Mark Penn is..

Who cares? Nobody.

Dammit, I kinda figured that McCain/Clinton ticket was unbeatable.

"Whenever one's identity and social order face the possibility of destruction, there is a natural tendency to feel angry, frustrated, helpless, and/or hurt. The volatile reactions of terror, hatred, resentment, and jealousy are often experienced as emotional manifestations of these feelings."

There's been some talk in the media about Obama making a deal to absorb Hillary's debt, and then we'd be talking about MY contributions. I'm not for that. I think if her supporters knowingly choose to pay down her debt as the campaign winds down that's only a good thing.

Correction: forward-logical.

MyDD logic proceeds backwards from the premise that HRC has won.

but I like to keep the comments on common ground 'kay?

you are right.

This diary is about lying to generate money to pay off the 20 thousand dollars a month in interest hillary's campaign owes hillary.

"popular vote" is super-secret-code-talk for "swaying the superdelegates"

We can already see the effectiveness that metric has had for the Clinton campaign.

Jesus, the fact that you can even manipulate numbers for total popular vote indicates its crap factor.  

At least in the general election every state is on equal footing for popular vote, most everyone can vote, it all occurs on the same day.

To pick our nominee, we have caucuses, closed primaries, open primaries, semi-open primaries, early contests, late contests...it's not even worthwhile to count popular votes when every state is on different footing for that measure (if that was how we picked our nominee every state would have open primaries or risk being skipped by the candidates).  Certainly no states would have caucuses, and those that did would get zero attention from the candidates.

That said, even if we do track popular votes Obama comes out way ahead by any metric that doesn't count Michigan with zero votes for Obama.  Everyone outside of mydd acknowledges that NC and IN pretty much put that argument to rest, Obama will win more votes and delegates.

You can play with the popular vote totals and probably make a case that Gravel is actually ahead.

that poster was being nice.  Some of the people on here are giving you crap, but that person was just trying to be cordial.  About the general, its freaking May so lets all stop pretending we know what is going to happen.  I am confident that our coalition has grown because of BOTH Obama and Clinton bringing new voters in, and I think McCain is going to get smacked up side the head by all of us as long as we keep our cool and our eyes on the prize.  

I'm glad you're standing with us.  There's no doubt in my mind that Obama will win in the fall, but we're going to need all the help we can get to make sure he's got a strong Democratic Congress to help him right the ship.

Your hostility was unnecessary.

in talking sense into your fellow Clinton supporters around here who have said they'd vote for McCain and want to see Obama defeated?

I don't see a problem with our nominee being selected at the convention...we won a lot more elections when it worked like that anyways!

It's true though.

And more importantly, it shows how silly this all is. No matter what happens financially, this race is over.

She doesn't have a path to the nomination that won't destroy the party as the African Americans sit out for a generation.

If she was ahead in any of the metrics that she originally set out (Delegates, and to a lesser degree, States) then fine. We could accept that he just lost to a better candidate.

But as he is ahead in all of the original metrics (and he is) if she has the power brokers overturn the votes of the people... wow. I don't think alot of people understand how devastating that would be to my people.  

I know better??  What are you talking about??  linc, I admire your dedication to HRC, Lord knows I haven't done as much for BHO as you have done for HRC.  But why bash Obama??

either candidate had thrown the GLBT community under the proverbial bus, I would be livid.  That said, I have seen Obama address these issues and I know for a fact that he is sympathetic to their cause.  He has spoken out in support repeatedly on the subject.

I agree with him 100 percent on taking the Marriage tag out of government and giving everyone civil unions.  The government really has no business being in the "marriage" business, because it is a religious thing...civil union would be the legal enforcement of contracts between consenting adults.