Talking Heads (Media) Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee

It just dawned on me this morning as I was switching channels to get away from these talking heads on these Morning Shows. You do realize, they don't call them Morning News, because then they might acutally be expected to report NEWS as opposed to gracing us with their opinions and entertainment (if that's what you call it), however biased they may be.  Even they have come to realize the truth, that Hillary can become the Democratic nominee.

The talking heads went with the Obama theme that we were hearing for so many weeks by the Obama surrogates, asking Hillary to drop out of the Presidential campaign to turn it over to Obama, instead of him having to campaign and fight for the nomination, the night Hillary won Indiana.  A funny thing to do when someone wins a primary election and there are still so many more states yet to vote.

But it became pretty clear this morning why.  With the remaining states yet to vote, the polling data with support for the candidates and the realization that it will be the Super Delegates that will have to choose who the nominee will be, they know Hillary stands a good chance at being the Democratic nominee and therefore the next President of the United States.

It becomes clear their intention, when they keep overlooking that little bit of fact when they continue their obvious messaging.  In all their claims to support why THEY are trying to influence our elections by claiming Hillary should "drop out", they never mention the fact that as long as Hillary is a candidate, Obama cannot win the amount of pledged delegates needed to win the nomination either.  

And despite all of their attacking and false claims, in reality, it seems Camp Obama are the only ones that were not prepared to go the distance and to have everyone's voice heard, trying to stop the election and not wanting to agree to a solution to count Michigan and Floridas votes.

The decision for the Democratic nominee will be for who is the best candidate, who has the best chance to uphold the principles and get passed the legislation and make policy, and who has the best chance at winning the election.  That is the the decision the pledged and automatic (super) delegates have to decide, because the amount of pledged delegates won won't be enough to secure the nomination, AND even if one did, that doesn't necessarily determine the nominee, which is why we have automatic (super) delegates.

Now the simple reason the media has taken this path could simply be out of pure ego.  That they chose to annoint Obama from the beginning, pushing him and protecting the news they actually reported on.  Just like their quick rush to put under the rug the "Wright" issue when it first came up.  FOX made them address it, looking bad that they weren't covering this outrageous piece of news.  They've refused to cover the Rezko issue or the Ayers issue.  The media brushed aside the entire secret assurances by Camp Obama to Canada on NAFTA that it is "just campaign rhetoric", as a Canada issue.  They ignored all the contraversial statements by Mrs. Obama.  They tried to quickly make Obama's views about small town citizens accross the country as a one word sound bite [bitter].

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And its not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."-Obama

And then, they actually had to deal with the "Wright" contraversy, again.  But they now see the obvious staring at them in the face.  And only if they succeed to take out Hillary, with all this baggage Obama has and the fact that it will be the Automatic (Super) delegates that decide who best to win the Presidency, they know Hillary stands the best chance.

Surely they knew the moment an Obama surrogate and popular pundit, Donna Brazile, made the outrageous statement that Obama didn't need "white blue-collar voters" or the "Hispanic" voters to win the election, sealed  his fate.  It was symbolic of the events.  Obama does not stand a chance at winning the presidency and therefore the nomination, unless it was only by default.

BRAZILE:  Well, Lou, I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you're looking at the old coalition.  A new Democratic coalition is younger.  It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don't have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

But isn't that exactly what she just did with that outrageous comment?  Again, the same type of talk we were hearing from Obama early in the campaign that mature voters were from the "old generation", "generation past". (more of that UNIFYING talk).

Maybe too, Brazile was showing her bitterness that she knows Obama won't get the nomination, so she could take her last pot shot at the voters who are not supporting Obama, knowing he cannot win the presidency without this support.

But one thing is for sure and no doubt the reasons the media has put out their last ditch effort to get Hillary to "drop out", even reaching the desperate measure of using poor Robin Meade on Headline News to partake in this endeavor, considering the media onslaught against Hillary for these past many months.  We can't forget their foaming mouths choking when Hillary won New Hampshire in early January.  But Hillary has been winning all these elections, despite the media's and talking heads effort.  

If it wasn't clear before this campaign that Hillary is a fighter and can win against what ever the opposition throws at her, it is now.



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Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 2)

If Hillary is the nominee, Hillary will be President.


by LindaSFNM on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:54:52 AM EST

Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 5)

If Obama is the nominee, Obama will be President. I know, because Hillary told me so.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:58:17 AM EST
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you mean *when* (none / 0)

Because he will be the nominee.


by N in Seattle on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:54:43 PM EST
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Too bad that (none / 0)

the "talking heads" aren't superdelegates.  Then perhaps she'd have a prayer of getting nominated.


by McNasty on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:55:00 AM EST

Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 3)

Huh. So, the media is shilling for Obama; only Fox news told the "real" story about Wright, Rezko, etc, since those issues are the ones that matter; they're trying to get Hillary out of the race because they just know she'll probably win it; et cetera.

Sorry, Linda, you're reasoning warrants a picture.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:57:05 AM EST

Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 1)

Don't be sorry, you hit it on the head.


by LindaSFNM on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:18 PM EST
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Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 2)

Ahh, more excellent reasoning.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:01 PM EST
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Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 1)

Progress:

Hillary will be the nominee has turned into Hillary can be the nominee.  Baby steps, but progress none the less.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:57:49 AM EST

Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 2)

You have no credible scenario by which Clinton gets the nomination.  With FL and MI in there, she'd need 75% of pledged delegates to get a majority of those delegates.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:58:23 AM EST

What's the path? (none / 0)

Clinton wins WV.  Clinton wins KY.  Obama wins OR.  Clinton wins PR.  Obama wins MT.  Obama wins SD.

Which of those doesn't happen?  If the answer is none, what about splitting the last 6 races becomes overwhelming to the SDs, especially when one of them doesn't have any electoral votes at all.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:59:39 AM EST

Re: What's the path? (none / 0)

Obama has a good chance of winning in PR.

Don't fall for the Clinton spin.


by cherrygarcia on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:58 PM EST
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Re: What's the path? (none / 0)

I was giving the best case scenario for Clinton.  With that, what's the path?


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:31 PM EST
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Re: What's the path? (none / 0)

He has No chance of winning in PR, let alone even coming close. One million Catholic, Hispanic voters going to the polls. Who are they going to vote for? Don't fall for the Obama "fantasy land" rhetoric.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:35:05 PM EST
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Re: What's the path? (none / 0)

I am in Puerto Rico right now.

I am half "boricua".

I would think I know alot more than you do about what can (and will) happen in Puerto Rico.

This Hispanic, catholic voter breakdown is a Clinton talking point.

That's not the way things work over here.

Another thing, 1 million voters will not come out for the primary.

I could go on, but this is a different diary all together.

Just so all of you know. Clinton will not win PR in a landslide IF
she even wins.


by cherrygarcia on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:48:11 PM EST
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Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 2)

Which is more likely?

A vast conspiracy among political reporters and pundits, who are by and large far more connected to and friendly with the Clinton campaign

or

That Hillary has no realistic chance at winning and they are just reporting on the reality of the situation


by KevinT on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:59:41 AM EST

Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 2)

So what's wrong with what Brazille said again?

We can't win with JUST the blue collar and latino vote.

Faux outrage.


by cherrygarcia on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:59:58 AM EST

Re: Talking Heads Are Frequently Wrong (none / 0)

We can't win without them, either. That's what's wrong with Brazile's argument.

Brazile implied that Hillary Clinton's strong democratic base constituency of Voters over 50, Latino/Hispanic voters, Blue Collar/Working Class voters, Catholic, Jewish, and Women voters are balanced out by young voters and latte-liberals on either coasts and black voters in red states that are reliably GOP?

That's a huge stretch and anyone with any sense of political history should have laughed her off the program.

At the very least, Campbell Brown should have demanded she explain herself, because the Democrats cannot win without the coalition that Hillary Clinton has amassed--it's virtually the entire Democratic party base.

Expand the base? Fine. But Obama has alienated a huge portion of the base, and he won't win them back. That's not "expanding the base," it's just dismissing a big chunk of it on the hope that young voters will do something they've never done before--vote on a regular basis.

Paul Begala was FAR too kind NOT to humiliate Donna Brazile on the spot--which is precisely what she deserved serving up such a disingenuous and dishonest lie.

Nearly 40% of Clinton's base tell pollsters that they won't vote for Barack Obama in November. That's a huge chunk of voters.

Now, I think some of them will swing back--because they'll hold their nose and vote for the Democratic Party. But, even if 20% of them do that, it still means fully 20% of the Democratic Party Base will reject the nominee of the party in November.

Young voters and latte-liberals are not going to be enough to win in November. Barack Obama has alienated at least 20% of the Democratic Party base to the point where they won't come back, even if Clinton campaigns for Obama. I happen to be one of those alienated voters.

Young voters are 1) Historically unreliable in general elections in the first place, and 2) Young voters are historically unreliable in down-ticket races. They aren't interested in them, and they don't pay close enough attention to the politics to know who they are, so they skip 'em. Happened in Texas--Obama voters skipped the down-ticket races; Clinton voters voted Democrat in the down-ticket races.

So, Brazile is flat out lying when she says we don't need to rely on "just" blue collar/working class voters. We never did. They've been GOP voters for the past 8 years, and the point is: We Lost Those Elections because we didn't HAVE THEM.

The rest of the statement--which she intentionally left out--is that we can't win if we don't have blue-collar/working class voters supporting the Democratic Party.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:09:08 PM EST
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Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 1)

Hillary for all intents and purpose has been Mathematically eliminated. On May 20th, Obama will officially win the contest for elected delegates.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:00 PM EST

Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (none / 0)

Oh, and the superdelegates?

Obama in the House: A Clinton super gets an autograph

I think you call this "wavering."

Politico's Amie Parnes e-mails from Obama's visit to the House floor, where he was mobbed instantly.

New York Rep. Yvette Clarke, in theory a Clinton superdelegate, asked him to autograph the cover of today's New York Daily News, with the headling "It's His Party."

Rep. Alcee Hastings, a Clinton supporter from Florida, gave him a big hug. Even Republicans were star-struck. Ileana Ros Lehtinen of Florida crossed the aisle to say hello and brought three children -- in town for a school safety patrol trip -- with her.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 508/Obama_in_the_House_A_Clinton_super_g ets_an_autograph.html


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:01 PM EST

Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (none / 0)

Can I get an autograph Mr.President, I mean, Senator Obama?


by cherrygarcia on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:01:56 PM EST
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Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (2.00 / 1)

You all are proving my point with these comments.  Thank you.


by LindaSFNM on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:01:01 PM EST

Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (none / 0)

What point?  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:03:00 PM EST
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Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (none / 0)

I'm sorry I discern no meaning in your comment.


by interestedbystander on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:41 PM EST
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Re: Talking Heads Know Hillary Can Be The Nominee (none / 0)

So wait, let me take a step back here...so the talking heads know how she can get the nomination, but you don't sound entirely clear on it yourself. The plan, as it sounds from you (and best I can tell from most everyone else who thinks she can win it) is to let the rest of the states vote, then something magic happens, then Clinton's the nominee.


by Jaffee on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:02:02 PM EST

What is especially frustrating: (2.00 / 1)

The continued insistence of Clinton supporters to give credibility to the Wright/Rezko/Ayers non-issues.

Given Clinton's unlikely chances of being the nominee, you'd think these Clinton supporters would STOP the smear tactics against one of their own.


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:02:05 PM EST

Re: Talking Heads (Media?)Know Hillary Can Be The (none / 0)

pats you on the head Keep telling yourself that hun.


by Cheebs on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:35 PM EST

Re: Talking Heads (Media?)Know Hillary Can Be The (none / 0)

I'm sorry you wasted so much time writing this diary.


by interestedbystander on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:24:23 PM EST

Re: Talking Heads (Media?)Know Hillary Can Be The (none / 0)

A great Diary. I commend you. You have hit it on the nail. I'm so glad that Hillary is ignoring these talking head idiots, and those eggheads that are now following her around on the campaign, telling her to get out. It is a disgrace that these protesters don't even have the decency to let this great woman have her moment of glory.

BTW: Those O supporters who think they know for sure that he is going to win SD and Montana, two very rural states are living once again in fantasy land. The Clintons are campaigning extensively right now as we speak in those two states, so bet if you will on Obama winning there, but us "smart" folks will wait it out to see what develops there.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:31:38 PM EST

Re: Talking Heads (Media?)Know Hillary Can Be The (none / 0)

With all due respect, your past prognostications haven't been very accurate:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/6/14 443/98891/4#4

I think that Montana, South Dakota, (and Oregon) are pretty good bets for Obama.

Clinton has the right to stay in this all the way through the convention if she wants, but in the interest of party unity, I think she'll end the campaign sometime in June.


by emptythreatsfarm on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:13:50 PM EST
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Re: Talking Heads (Media?)Know Hillary Can Be The (none / 0)

the only 'people' asking HRC to cede are BO supporters (and that includes the media).  makes you wonder though no?  with the contest continuing the ratings have never been higher and many new people are into the fold - win and win? alas no - the media has its own agenda.  http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/7/14504 8/7823


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:35:52 PM EST

Nice Try Linda (2.00 / 1)


   Clinton couldn't win it on her own, so now it's a media conspiracy with Barack Obama to force her from the race.

  Right!

  When you wake up, we'll have a serious discussion. Till then, you're only dreaming.


by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:36:53 PM EST

Re: Nice Try yourself... (none / 0)

You wouldn't know a "serious" discussion if it bit you on the ass, southernman. Let's do have a serious discussion sometime.

When you grow up, give us a call.

Some of us have worked in the party for years; others of us have a background in media. It's patently obvious that the media have been shilling for Obama from the beginning; but beware, southernman, because they are also "john mccain's base."

They aren't your friends, though you've been seduced by their Obama shilling throughout this campaign.

They have a corporate agenda--driving the drama drives up their ratings. So, when the GOP revs up their swiftboat 527s to smear Barack, you're going to be the one who gets the nightmares. There's plenty of fuel where Obama's concerned to keep those swiftboats revved up and the cable news boys will love it.


"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman
by Tennessean on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:18:34 PM EST
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Re: Nice Try yourself... (none / 0)


   I work in the party. I manage campaigns at the local and regional level.

  Both candidates can be smeared, both Hillary and Obama.

  Hillary hasn't earned the nomination. If she did, she'd be the nominee.

   The excuse that now it's the media's fault is ridiculous.

   Coming from someone who makes his living working in politics, I've heard my fair share of excuses, from both opponents that we beat and us when we lost. This is nothing more than an excuse, and a pathetic one at that.


by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:25:17 PM EST
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The media wants... (none / 0)

The media wants Obama to win so that McCain can win in the fall.

I vote for the Dem nominee regardless of who leads the ticket.

But in all sincerity I really hate the Obama map.  I'm decidedly not cool with heading into this general election banking entirely on winning Virginia.  


Young lifelong Democrat. One of over 3,000,000 voters who kicked McCain and Palin out of Pennsylvania, permanently.
by BPK80 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:26:07 PM EST


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