MyDD :: Remember MI and FL

Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET

by switching sides, Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:02:59 AM EST

Is Hillary out?

Who knows. But I will tell you one thing: I will never EVER forget what Obama did with regard to Michigan and Florida. He stole this nomination, and as far as I'm concerned is no better than Bush in 2000.

At least Bush is honest about it, he's a rethug and he admits it. Obama? He's a wolf in sheep's clothing, spreading the gospel of progressiveness while disenfranchising millions of voters, democratic voters.

This is totally unacceptable.

So write your 'healing' diaries, Obamatons. Act all gracious, wonder out loud how we can be so 'polarizing' in this your hour of victory. Wonder why we can't just 'come together'...Well guess what? I've been called a republican by you classless losers hundreds of times these past couple of months. So now you want my vote?

Now you want to bury the hatchet?

I don't buy it. I know what your candidate is. He is a chicago styled thug Daleyite. Obama is all that is wrong with this party.

From disenfranchising Florida to bullying undemocratic tactics during each caucus to lying about Hillary to race baiting to dishonestly calling Hillary a racist to misogynistic remarks etc etc and so on so on and so on...(there are really too many to note here)

I say it now.

I will NEVER vote for him.

Kiss my butt.

Tags: obama disenfrachised voters (all tags)

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stfu (2.00 / 2)

quit crying. the writing has been on the wall for months now.

by citizendave on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:06:27 AM EST

Re: stfu (2.00 / 1)

Never forget Michigan and Florida! they're like 2 9-11's all packed into one.

by Democratic Unity on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:04:10 PM EST
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stfu (2.00 / 1)

quit crying. the writing has been on the wall for months now.

by citizendave on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:06:27 AM EST

Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (2.00 / 2)

Michigan and Florida are going to be sat. They moved up illegally and had to sweat it out, but should be thankful they are going to get sat - most likely as they voted.

Matthew25Network.com

by cardboard 1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:07:31 AM EST

Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (1.66 / 3)

It doesn't matter. Obama fought to have them rejected, that will NEVER be forgotten.

have fun

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:09:41 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (2.00 / 1)

We'll enjoy the country without you.

by TheSilverMonkey on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:04:31 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (2.00 / 1)

What's it like to take political spin so seriously? Does it cause you any pain?

"We have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates."
-Howard Wolfson

by belicheat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:12:28 AM EST
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dude you are so the repub troll (2.00 / 1)

I knew this for months.

-- be excellent to each other

by kindthoughts on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:57:42 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (2.00 / 1)

Ummm...Can you leave the country sooner rather than later?

by Democratic Unity on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:04:51 PM EST
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Stay classy! (2.00 / 2)

by Slim Tyranny on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:09:38 AM EST

Re: Stay classy! (1.50 / 2)

Like Reverend Wright! :D

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:43:54 AM EST
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it was ugly to see... (1.66 / 6)

..last night, when the obama spammers thought they had snatched IN, all the "well, now FL and MI can be seated" posts started. a little honesty in the heat of the moment, but very telling. these people have no respect whatsoever for the democratic process. it's like racism that you suspect is there under the surface, but finally they slip up and say something out loud, and you know for sure.

by campskunk on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:19:36 AM EST

Re: it was ugly to see... (none / 0)

Oh yea, you caught us --- Obama supporters HATE democracy.

Demonizing your fellow Democrats is pretty ridiculous.

by Slim Tyranny on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:23:12 AM EST
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It certainly seems .. (none / 0)

that SOME Obama supporters (clearly not all, but a vocal group) are a hell of a lot more interested in being on the winning team than in democracy.

by Thirsty Gator on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:49:53 AM EST
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Re: It certainly seems .. (none / 0)

Yeah, Hillary Clinton's campaign has been the least bit concerned with winning...

"We have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates."
-Howard Wolfson

by belicheat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:13:08 AM EST
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so do you agree with me ... (none / 0)

that both are exceedingly flawed candidates?

by Thirsty Gator on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:01:24 AM EST
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Re: it was ugly to see... (none / 0)

Well, since the elections in those two states weren't valid they can't be part of the decision process. It isn't complicated.

Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:03:02 AM EST
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Dead enders (none / 0)

You will eventually have to accept reality.

by parahammer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:25:52 AM EST

Re: Dead enders (2.00 / 2)

I accept it...Good luck with it but count me out.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:41:48 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

Oh my

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:27:15 AM EST

Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (2.00 / 2)

I held my nose for Kerry "for the good of the party" and regreted it. I do not plan to do the same this time. The Democratic party has been screwing up for years now. I do not plan to vote for McCain, I plan not to vote. Maybe this will get the party to finally clean up their act if more people either become independents or sit this one out.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:40:45 AM EST

Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

If McCain wins in November, there likely won't be much of the country left to preside over once the Democratic party "cleans up its act..."

McCain would be a fast-motion train-wreck... as opposed to the slow motion by comparison Bush administration.

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:11:35 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

Blame those in charge of the DNC - etc for mishandling the primary/election.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:14:08 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

How is that exactly... if you really want to place blame, you need only blame the voters.

Personally, I am voting Dem regardless, so I'm not going to blame anyone... except McCain... I blame him for the time of day if it is not to my liking....

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:23:23 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

Voters don't always count...Take MI and FL for example; you can't blame them.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:02:41 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

No, as a former Floridian who was there while this whole sorted thing happened, I put the blame squarely where it belongs... on the people that made the decision to calls the DNC's bluff after they told them what would happen.

I also don't blame the Democratic voters in both states who did not pay for sitters or take time off from work to vote. They were told it would not count.

But, if you want to blame anyone for the situation Hillary is in currently, you have o blame the voters. They put Obama where he is and they put her where she is....

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:54:42 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

I doubt it.

What will probably happen is people like you will be ignored until you go away.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:16:51 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

...and that's why Obama will lose.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:04:08 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

Ignoring the "Hillary or die" crowd isn't going to cost Obama anything. If you can't support the Democratic nominee then why should we care what you think?

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:24:42 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

No need to care...but apparently you do because you posted. :D

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:54:46 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

Caring enough to post a comment on a blog isn't caring much. If that is level of consideration you are looking for then you have set the bar pretty low.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:31:46 PM EST
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Not voting = voting for McCain (none / 0)

It might make you feel better to embrace a false distinction, but that distinction does not do the rest of the country any good.

I would like to think that you would place the good of the country over a misplaced, even if understandable, anger. Anger is not inherently justified; it must serve some purpose, I believe.

"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC

by Trond Jacobsen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:19:52 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

"Maybe this will get the party to finally clean up their act if more people either become independents or sit this one out"

"the party" is sitting on the edge of their seat waiting to see what you'll do!!! They're soooooooo nervous!!!

by Democratic Unity on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:08:14 PM EST
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Now we see the difference (none / 0)

...between those who supported Clinton because they thought she was the best candidate and those who just hate Obama or want to cause problems. Fortunately that group is a small minority.

Beat McCain!

by thezzyzx on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:58:52 AM EST

Re: Now we see the difference (none / 0)

You forgot about those who are loyal Republicans....Add all those together and there's a problem.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:16:47 AM EST
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Re: Now we see the difference (none / 0)

I was including those in the causing problems group.

Beat McCain!

by thezzyzx on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:28:31 AM EST
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Re: Now we see the difference (none / 0)

You forgot Rev. Wright.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:01:05 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

You know, the point of this diary is fine... the wording on the other hand completely discounts what is being said.

Oh, and my point today is to bash on McCain with every post, so, in case any of you forgot... McCain still sucks.

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:13:35 AM EST

Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

You realize that Florida and Michigan were originally disenfranchised by Clinton herself, and 2 of her campaign members on the rules committee. Not to mention that you can GIVE Clinton the delegates and votes... she still loses!

"We have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates."
-Howard Wolfson

by belicheat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:15:04 AM EST

Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

Well if there's no problem "GIVE" them to Clinton...Otherwise what you're saying is BS.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:20:49 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

That deal is in the works. She will probably get proportional representation based on her "win" in Florida, and they will split the Michigan delegates down the middle. You can't say that's not fair.

"We have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates."
-Howard Wolfson

by belicheat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:25:32 PM EST
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Goodbye (none / 0)

We Democrats will have to struggle on without you I guess.

"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC

by Trond Jacobsen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:16:05 AM EST

Re: Goodbye (none / 0)

Are you going somewhere? I agree you though; you will have to struggle.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:19:08 AM EST
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You are better than that (none / 0)

I know you are intelligent because you are a supporter of Sen. Clinton. I have to assume you understood my point, but let me walk you through the logic step by step.

*Democrats vote for Democratic candidates.
*Diarist says will not vote for the near-certain Democratic nominee.
*Diarist is not a Democrat.

At least not today given the content of the diary, hence "goodbye". Even if the disaster claims about Sen. Obama are true, Democrats will stick with him and join in the struggle to hold back the forces of GOPer darkness. I am sad the diarist is not up to joining the struggle but I hope that you are. One reason I warmed to Sen. Clinton was that she is a fighter who does not quit the struggle to improve our country. I hope most of her supporters will follow her example.

"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC

by Trond Jacobsen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:41:22 AM EST
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I deserve better than that... (none / 0)

I cannot support Obama due to Revenend Wright. I cannot support a person with a 20 year relationship with a crazy "mentor."
Rev. Wright is Pro-Farrakhan, believes the U.S. gave aids to AA, believes the U.S. deserved 9/11 and Damns America. This goes against my values. Now some say "Wright is not Obama." I say if Obama supported a guy like this for 20 years, he lacks good judgment.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:58:14 AM EST
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Fair enough (none / 0)

Like you I would not vote for Rev. Wright if he was running for President. But what I think we have as evidence is that, at most, Sen. Obama was comfortable maintaining a relationship with someone who holds these views. No one has demonstrated Obama himself holds these views. His record and statements suggest - no demonstrate - he does not.

Even if Sen. Obama's association demonstrated a lack of judgment to the degree you suggest, do you believe Mr. 100 Years and 'I know nothing about economics' exercises better judgment?

Does abandoning Obama in favor of McCain or not voting improve Obama's judgment? I am afraid I am missing something here.

"We live entangled in webs of endless deceit, often self-deceit, but with a little honest effort, it is possible to extricate ourselves from them". -- NC

by Trond Jacobsen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:30:57 AM EST
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Re: Fair enough (1.00 / 1)

Actually, Obama may have the same views as Rev. Wright; after all, Obama stated that he thinks Rev. Wright is a great leader. That statement in itself proves that Obama has poor judgment....20 years of it.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:59:20 AM EST
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Re: Fair enough (1.00 / 3)

I wouldn 't put it past him after all we've seen of what he is capable of.

Change, my ass.

Until recently I was selling drugs, and now I'm selling Obama T-shirts.

by switching sides on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:14:07 PM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

"Kiss my butt."

I have to say, for all the anger from soyousay (that makes me cringe), just that part of this diary headliner made me smile!

I think "a group moon to the Obamabots" thread from TexasDarlin, Little Otter, Soyousay,etc, would be a very interesting diary indeed!

"Either you're the butcher Or the lamb but even so, Everybody pays as they go-Jakob Dylan"

by WashStateBlue on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:42:21 AM EST

Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

It's early....

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:56:41 AM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (none / 0)

Angry? Where? Because I won't vote for Obama? Please. Cringe away.

by soyousay on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:00:42 PM EST
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Re: Remember MI and FL - NEVER FORGET (1.00 / 1)

Show me the diary you wrote that expressed your outrage at Obama, Clinton, Edwards and the DNC when they ALL agreed not to campaign or count the votes in those states. IF and ONLY IF you expressed it then, will you show yourself to not be completely full of unadulterated shit.

by Djo on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:35:45 PM EST

"so you want to bury the hatchet?" (none / 0)

Yes
Guess where.

IF you are not in fact a republican then you are in fact in need of counseling~ here's why,

I have read most of your hate-filled, angry diatribes in various diaries, you seem easy to insult and very rarely are your thoughts based on any cited facts~ so I can only assume that you are in need of counseling because if you did have some real gripe about Obama or Hillary then I would like to hear it, because you have done nothing, that's all, just "nothing."

STFU

by califdem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:28:28 PM EST

Oh and btw (none / 0)

imma keep hiding your trollish comments whenever I have the time. I think you deserve to be clearly identified for who you are.

by califdem on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:05:56 PM EST

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