The Tie Has Been Broken

Yep, I'm still up. Sorry it's taken me so long to weigh in with a sort of post-mortem on tonight, this has taken me longer to compose than I had expected and I now realize I should have put an overnight thread up. I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts - Todd

It was really sort of fascinating to switch between networks' primary coverage tonight. MSNBC has very much had an "it's over" vibe while CNN was pushing the idea that Hillary still has a shot. Also, internally within the MSNBC punditocracy it was interesting to see an Olbermann/Maddow divide, which rarely happens, Keith arguing that it's a matter of days until it's over, Rachel arguing that Clinton has for a long time had a "post-rational" claim to the nomination, so why should reality get in her way now?

This is-it-over or isn't-it division echoes the mixed messages we've gotten from Hillary Clinton herself tonight. First there was her speech, which, I have to agree with Timmeh, was at once a rallying cry and a valedictory; in it, Clinton made an awkward and blatant plea for funds, yet the post-primary fund solicitation e-mail her campaign sent out this evening was more "thanks" than "please;" and finally we have the news that Hillary Clinton will hold no public events tomorrow, yet we also get word from Andrea Mitchell that her meeting with superdelegates set for the morning is purely routine and she intends to be back on the campaign trail by Thursday after a fundraiser tomorrow night. What all of this accomplishes, of course, is to keep both options on the table so that they can see how the fundraising goes and how the media spins tonight before deciding whether to stay in or to drop out. There is a third option as well, which I believe was proposed on MSNBC earlier, which would be to do a sort of combination of both, i.e. campaign strongly over the next two weeks but more as an ally of Obama's than as a foe until May 20th when they both will likely once again end up winning a state and use his likely majority of pledged delegate status as the tipping point to bow out gracefully.

The upshot is that there is no way to spin away what happened tonight: Senator Clinton had a really bad night and Senator Obama had a phenomenal one. It's impossible to overstate the significance of what he accomplished, not only considering what he's overcome over the past three weeks but also considering how decisively he denied Clinton what she needed to continue to have a credible path to the nomination. To put it plainly, tonight was her final shot and she needed to win Indiana by 8-10% and to lose NC by 1-3%; in other words she needed to do about 10% better in each state than she did in order to keep Michigan and Florida relevant and the popular vote in play for superdelegates. Unfortunately, she was unable to do either. Zogby was right this time and Survey USA...and I...were wrong.

Which leads me to the conclusion, sadly, that I no longer see a real path to victory for Hillary Clinton and I now believe Barack Obama will be the nominee of our party.

Now this isn't in any way to suggest that Senator Clinton should drop out -- you know where I stand on whether this primary has been good or bad for the party -- it's only to say that I now believe that she will. I saw it on Bill Clinton's face as he stood behind Hillary during her speech tonight. I come to this realization with no small amount of disappointment but I'm left hopeful as well. I've seen a new man emerge in Barack Obama over the past few days. His speech denouncing Wright last week impressed me and stayed with me, even moreso than his speech on race in some weird way, because this time it wasn't so much about his words as it was about the emotion seething behind them. "He's alive!", I thought to myself, as I'd felt that Obama had gotten a bit detached and complacent in recent weeks. Then after complaining this weekend that I feared Obama was letting the right define him as unpatriotic without hitting back, I saw his North Carolina Jefferson-Jackson speech in which it became clear to me that he intended to do no such thing. I wondered if it would be the sort of turning point for him that the Iowa Jefferson-Jackson dinner last November represented, thinking privately that it just might be. I now believe that it was. For me personally, what the past few days have shown me is that Barack Obama wants this nomination and the presidency and he is going to fight for it. I wasn't convinced before. I thought I was backing the only real fighter in the race. But I am now.

So what now? My gut is that tomorrow is huddle time and Hillary Clinton's decision to drop out and endorse Barack Obama could come perhaps as early as this week. For one thing, with tonight's result Obama has shown superdelegates that they no longer really have anything to be skittish about with him -- he faced down the biggest crises of his campaign and went up against a stronger than ever Hillary Clinton and he came out the victor. As it turns out, Indiana wasn't the tie-breaker as Obama famously predicted, rather this whole night was, as it provided one contest on his turf and one on hers. And while, yes, technically Hillary Clinton won Indiana, this time one win wasn't a win and we all know it; no measure of campaign spinning can change that.

As all of this sinks in among superdelegates and voters alike and as a consensus solidifies that the race is essentially over, I suspect that Hillary Clinton knows that if she were to campaign as though she thought she did still have a path to the nomination it would look more foolish and sad than anything else. Hence my gut instinct that we may have a concession this week. At the same time, though, it would be a shame to deny West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon et al the excitement of campaign events that virtually every other state in the country has enjoyed. So what I'd personally like to see happen is for Hillary to endorse Barack and then for them boh to embark on a unity tour through the remaining states that have yet to vote AND, even more importantly perhaps, to Michigan and Florida. Their campaigning together would accomplish several things at once. It would prove to skeptics that both candidates are devoted to unifying the party against John McCain, it would hopefully serve to melt much of the anti-Barack sentiment among many of Hillary's staunchest supporters, it would allow the last few states the opportunity to get to see the candidates in person and to build on the excitement this primary has inspired AND it would allow the candidates to take the old unity ticket idea out for a test drive.

I still think an Obama/Clinton ticket is operative (not to mention best case scenario at this point) and as I wrote earlier, I think she was signaling to the world with her speech tonight that she'd be open to taking the VP slot. It actually makes sense for many reasons as Andrew Sullivan recently laid out in surprisingly compelling terms.

Would it happen in a million years? There are still many that believe not but I'm an optimist at heart. Which is why I also believe that Clinton supporters for the most part will join in embracing Obama as the presumptive nominee once he is so designated. It's a difficult transition to make, I know, but I'm finally at peace with it because for the first time I feel tonight delivered a clear verdict that Democratic primary voters have chosen Obama as their nominee; the tie has been broken. And let's be honest here, you and I know he is a far stronger candidate for having had Hillary Clinton as his opponent. And just as hopefully our ultimate Democratic ticket is stronger for having gone through this crazy extended primary season, hopefully the blogosphere can emerge stronger as well for having weathered our own internal battle.

Now, does this mean I am going to take my Hillary Clinton sticker off my bumper? Hell no, but it does mean I've brushed off my old Barack Obama window sign that I picked up at an event last spring and returned it to my window sill, the first of many expressions of support for the man I believe will be the nominee of our party and the next president of the United States.



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Welcome to my world (2.00 / 6)

I saw this coming a month ago, but just didn't know exactly when it would happen.  I think you're right: after the next primary is a good time to bow out gracefully, and today is the time to start campaigning with Obama as an ally.


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by juliewolf on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:36:10 AM EST

Thank you with all my heart! (none / 0)

I am so tired of the in fighting. I have watched us slash and burn each other and I am ready to see us United against McCain.  I believe we all have the basic goal of retaking our Country and restoring it to the promise our fore fathers envisioned.  I know at times while defending my candidate of choice against very staunch and aggressive Clinton supporters, I have allowed myself to spiral into negative back and forth attacks...I never wanted to have in fighting, but I guess when you have two strong contenders, their base becomes just as competitive...for my part...I apologize for any alienation I may have caused.  


by netgui68 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:56:06 AM EST
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Thanks Todd - classy post.


by interestedbystander on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:36:42 AM EST

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Agreed. Fantastic post. Its actually a weird feeling now that its clear that the race is over.


by KevinT on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:09:38 AM EST
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Absolutely. Posts like this make me very comfortable being optimistic about reconciliation.


Someone tell the Strom Thurmondgeist to stop haunting the Clintons: upending chairs, opening creaky doors, possessing during USA Today interviews.
by Lettuce on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:57:21 AM EST
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Good post.


by danIA on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:16:18 AM EST
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Todd your words echo exactly what I feel in my heart.   Last night as I watched the results come in for Indiana and North Carolina, I realized that Obama will be our nominee.  

 The overwhelming feeling is of sadness today.  Despite all the coverage to the contrary I had held on to a small hope that a miracle might happen and that she could pull it out.  But its not to be.

I am tremendously proud of Hillary as a candidate for president.  She has made some cracks in the glass ceiling but some other female candidate will have to crack it, hopefully sometime soon in the future.

I must say though, that I see great things in her future.  Not exactly sure what or when or how but I know that Hillary had great things ahead of her.


by SPK on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:33:52 AM EST
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Agreed.  Very decent, Todd.  


by David in NY on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:01:05 PM EST
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Good post Todd.  I don't agree that they can be on the same ticket, but I'm certainly not going to be talking about that tonight when there's a lot of sadness over here.  But in a few weeks or so, when the healing has commenced, I'd be glad to have a lively discussion on who the VP should be.


by The Distillery on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:42:27 AM EST

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VP picks are overrated.

She can be on the ticket as well as anyone.

She's earned the right of first refusal, IMO.

I don't think it's the best ticket per se, but I really think people overstate the importance of the VP.

Edwards did not help worth a damn in the south, especially in NC.  McCain's VP pick matters a lot more because there is an not-so-insignificant chance that that person will take over for him.


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:03:53 AM EST
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She can't be in the VP slot (2.00 / 2)

not with Bill Clinton as part of her campaign.


I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:25:19 AM EST
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Re: She can't be in the VP slot (2.00 / 1)

I'm a little disappointed with Bill Clinton.  I thought this week, "Wow! look at him go in NC... He's going to make a big difference!"  And poof!  Nothing!  He's been a real liability to the campaign as a whole.  Where as I thought two days ago he was a real asset 'cos of his energy, I now think he's a real drag 'cos of his links to the past, or whatever reason why he's not effective anymore.


by LordMike on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:30:10 AM EST
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Re: She can't be in the VP slot (2.00 / 2)

the thought that Bill could make a difference was always weird to me.

he might have been worth a fraction of a point but overall I think you're right. He hurt her campaign a bit.

I for one was on the sidelines on this campaign until he opened up his big mouth in South Carolina and played racial politics. Wasn't a big fan of that moment.


by alex100 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:49:06 AM EST
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Re: She can't be in the VP slot (none / 0)

I think he was a mixed bag. For every person who said, "We get two for the price of one," there were people who wanted to see a candidate standing on her own two feet, and of course he had his gaffes and past which undermined him.


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by politicsmatters on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:53:58 AM EST
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Re: She can't be in the VP slot (none / 0)

Obama will have no choice but to offer her the slot, which she will refuse. Bill Clinton has nothing to do with it.


by doyenne49 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:01:01 PM EST
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Agreed fully. (none / 0)

She's done amazing job this election and outperformed her campaign, I think.  She definitely earned the right of first refusal.  I don't think it's a good ticket, but just as Abigail Adams said in the miniseries "John Adams," "the Vice-Presidency, at least.  Anything else would be beneath [her] dignity."  (I may have fucked up that quote, but the sentiment is there).  Hillary has earned a lot in this campaign.  That includes the right of first refusal and possibly the first court pick.


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:31:52 AM EST
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Re: Agreed fully. (2.00 / 1)

She has been a better candidate than her campaign. But, then again, she hired those folks and ultimately bears responsibility for the team she put together and its approach.

I wish she had run in 2004. I'm certain she would be working on her re-election campaign right now and the country would be better off for it.


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by politicsmatters on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:55:19 AM EST
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Re: Agreed fully. (none / 0)

I think she earned the VP spot and such a choice would go a long way towards healing the party divide.  The Supreme Court is WAY too important though for a seat to be given away as political spoils.  Sure she should have a say in it but so should many others.  We need exactly the right blend of progressivism, symbolism and longevity in our pick to make it as effective as possible.  Ultimately that will be Obama's choice to make.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:36:13 PM EST
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Re: Edwards did not help worth a damn in the south (2.00 / 3)

Wrong.

In 2004, Bush gained in all Southern States, but his gain in NC was the smallest.

So, relatively speaking, Edwards did help.

Remember, it's not only about winning swing states, it's also making the Republicans spend money in states that are supposed to be theirs. And a Southerner (or Westerner) on the ticket still seems to be a smart way to accomplish this.


"The way to win a Presidential race against the Republicans is to develop the class warfare issue..." Lee Atwater, Bush `88 campaign manager.
by aufklaerer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:11:38 AM EST
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Thanks for all your work in this primary campaign, Todd.  You and Jonathan have kept me coming back here despite the deluge of absurdity and intellectual dishonesty coming from many of the Clinton partisans on mydd, including some of the other front page posters.  And your disclosure of your preference on Super Tuesday was done skillfully and with respect for your entire audience.  I hold you up as an example of an honest Clinton partisan here whenever I am elsewhere and discussing the current state of this blog in it's Hillary HQ incarnation. I shudder to think of how the bias might have spiraled out of control here without your nformed perspective tempering the Clinton viewpoint on mydd.  You are clearly a great asset to online politics and the progressive movement.  I look forward to being on the same team for the next six months.


by msbatxnyc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:47:31 AM EST

And beyond... n/t (2.00 / 1)


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:33:50 AM EST
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Incredible Post Todd. Thank You soo much. Your idea for Hillary to camp as an ally looks fantastic. Yeah, we'll come together and beat John McCain. We will do.


by Obamafan on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:48:21 AM EST

There is a way for Clinton (2.00 / 3)

to continue.

It is to campaign in the remaining states, but to end all attacks on Obama.  If she does so, she in effect becomes an insurance policy that Democrats can use if for some reason events make Obama unelectable.

But she has to stop the attacks.  If she continues she risks her future within the party and endangers Bill's place in history.

The nomination fight is essentially over.

The hard part is about to begin.


by fladem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:49:25 AM EST

Re: There is a way for Clinton (2.00 / 1)

It would be an honourable way to proceed, but I don't know how you can ignore the narrative and incessant discussion of why doesn't she drop out.  And I simply don't see the money to continue even a light campaign schedule.


by interestedbystander on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:14:57 AM EST
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Especially at the cost of fuel and with (none / 0)

those cross-country primaries and PR, it's going to be difficult for her to run even a skeleton campaign.


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:36:12 AM EST
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Re: There is a way for Clinton (2.00 / 1)

You forget how much less previous campaigns costed.

a skeleton crew and a million or two should last her till the convention if she really wanted too.

Although, If she just fired Penn she would free up enough money probably to end in the black ;)


by Ernst on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:37:13 AM EST
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A million or two to last until the convention?  Obama is spending that in a week on television advertising in ONE state.  A million or two will not last her until the convention.  Hell, I would question a Senate campaign that expected to last on a million or two for three months.


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:42:06 AM EST
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Re: There is a way for Clinton (2.00 / 1)

I would question a Senate campaign that expected to last on a million or two for three months.

Actually that would be a normal number for a senate race in most cases.

But you forget. If the objective is not to win or be competitive but just to remain a positive presence in the race a little money goes a long way towards that goal. Although the there is still a lot of time left, were almost through the list of actual contests. Just making a lot of visits and only a limited ad buy at the end is enough.


by Ernst on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:59:03 AM EST
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sort of like Huckabee did.


by gnosis on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:27:29 AM EST
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didn't hurt McCain, didn't hurt Huckabee. Why not?


by Ernst on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:14:46 AM EST
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Nope. That's not the cost of a Senate campaign anymore.  Not in a competitive race, even in a small state.


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by politicsmatters on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:56:38 AM EST
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"Not in a competitive race"

True. But were weren't talking about a competitive race, we were talking about a placeholder campaign ala Huckabee.

And of course, most senate races aren't competitive either.


by Ernst on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:04:17 AM EST
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Re: There is a way for Clinton (2.00 / 1)

No, I think Ernst is right about this.  Clinton could run what is essentially a placeholder campaign with very limited funds.

If she agreed to not attack Obama while doing so, I don't think anyone in the party would have a problem with it.


You haven't seen impatient until you've seen a monkey waiting for a donut.
by bjones on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:34:37 AM EST
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I don't think the party will have a problem (none / 0)

with it.  I just don't think she'll have the money to last more than two weeks.  She just lent herself another $6 million dollars.  A loss is not going to send the cash in.  If she doesn't have about $10 million to spend, it's going to be difficult for her to run even a skeleton campaign.


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:13:19 AM EST
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I think the debt is the problem (2.00 / 1)

I have heard the campaign is 25 million in the hole, she has loaned the campaign 11.4 million...therefore she needs substantial donations just to get back in the black...by the way, I encourage Clinton supporters to donate to help her get the debt paid, she fought hard for her supporters and it seems fair that they should help her out of this predicament.


by netgui68 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:02:47 AM EST
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Can we all take a moment and appreciate how truly fucked Mr. McCain is now?

The guy is so, so fucked now.

It's like in the cartoons when the little animal tricks the two much bigger animals into fighting each other.

Then after the dust clears, and the two big animals realize they're fighting each other, and turn their heads to see the little animal standing there sheepishly grinning.

...they then fuck up the little animal.

The little bastard animal in this terrible analogy is Sen. John McCain.

I love it.


by AlexScott on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:51:22 AM EST

Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 1)

Or, since I've already made one geeky comic book reference here tonight, it's like basically every comic book crossover "event" ever, where The Justice League and The Avengers, or Batman and Wolverine, or whomever, spend the entire first issue fighting each other until they suddenly realize that some despicable comic book villain is responsible the whole confusion.

After which, in the immortal words of The Thing, "It's clobberin' time!"


by Ray Radlein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:00:28 AM EST
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Hahaha.

Exactly.


by AlexScott on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:05:37 AM EST
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drops Batman, who he's holding by the throat

"Dammit, it was Mole Man this whole time."


by Capt America on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:14:46 AM EST
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Alex, your humor is merciless.


by catilinus on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:19:15 AM EST
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IT IS GETTIN TO THE POINT (1.66 / 3)

Barrack wins even with Hills best Michigan scenario.  It is wild  It is noit only MSNBC, but CNN was also in the smae vein...but not now, in the morning vein...which should tell us progressives that do you watch KOS, MyDD, CNN, MSNBC or FOX!!!!!!!

or your heart and your brain?  

The answere is simple and it is clear


by msnstd on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:56:10 AM EST

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Make MyDD a clearinghouse for progressive ideals


by msnstd on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:57:36 AM EST

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I don't think it was a tie before tonight.

Maybe on February 19th?


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:01:32 AM EST

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I think after a couple of weeks, it needs to be investigated if Hillary would be interested in any top position in an Obama cabinet.

1) Secretary of State

  1. Health Czar
  2. Education Czar
  3. Labor Secretary

or the party can have her replace Harry Reid in the leadership position.

I do not know how practical any of this can be.

I think VP slot should go to someone like Webb.


by Pravin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:02:22 AM EST

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Please drop the thought that Webb is VP.

You do not want to lose that Senate seat.

You might not get it back.

We want to get as close to 60 as possible.  If Webb was in MA, I'd say sure.  But VA is not an automatic "we'll just get another Democrat" in there state.

Think strategically about both the GE and the House/Senate


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:05:39 AM EST
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VA has a democratic governor (none / 0)

So why would the senate seat be lost? Kaine could simply appoint a replacement.


by Davidsfr on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:23:12 AM EST
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Re: VA has a democratic governor (none / 0)

Is that a given there?

I thought every state had it's own rules about that?


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:29:34 AM EST
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Re: VA has a democratic governor (2.00 / 3)

What I meant to say, is that he could just appoint a Democrat, but if that Democrat is not especially popular, he could end up losing in re-election.

I think it's risky to just put a red state Senator on the ticket.  

I think we overplay how important it is to put some tough dude on the ticket to "balance" it out.

Not convinced Webb would be the decisive person to make VA blue if it wasn't already.


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:33:18 AM EST
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Re: VA has a democratic governor (none / 0)

Yes.  If we're going to go VA.  We should pick Kaine.  He's perfect for the moderate, reaching out to the Republicans.  We may even win Virginia and North Carolina with him.


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:49:59 AM EST
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Re: VA has a democratic governor (none / 0)

I dunno. I think VA flips blue if either Webb or Kaine is on the ticket, and we can't appoint a Dem to be Governor (the Lt. Gov is a Republican, Bill Bolling). And I think Webb offers a larger outreach strategy to independents and disaffected Republicans, having himself served in the Reagan administration before joining the Light Side.
by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:29:09 AM EST
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Yeah, but that's going to be for a year... (none / 0)

It's easier to win a gubernatorial seat in VA than a Senate seat.  We can win that governor's seat, especially with the former governor having the power of the VP office and all the time in the world to campaign there being right next door in D.C.  I mean Dems have won something like 4 out of the last 7 gubernatorial contests.


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:19:13 AM EST
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Re: Yeah, but that's going to be for a year... (none / 0)

Frankly, I'd be more worried about a year of a Republican in an executive office here than finding another Democrat to take Webb's seat. Much more worried. Our bench strength isn't half-bad, but our state legislative delegation is pretty weak right now and we could get steamrolled with all kinds of crappy legislation if Kaine isn't there to stop it--hell, we barely managed to avoid some pretty odious bills this year, and we controlled a chamber!

That's not to say I don't like Kaine for a job in DC, but I'd kind of like to see him in the Senate for the next 30 years, and that won't happen if Webb and Mark Warner are the incumbents. But I'm just not convinced yet that it's safe to put a Republican in the Governor's Mansion, even for only a year and with Brian Moran ready to take him out.

by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:42:14 PM EST
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Re: VA has a democratic governor (none / 0)

Mark Warner would instantly make VA blue. Don't see him signing on to the VP, though.


by Covin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:28:33 AM EST
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We need him for the Senate. n/t (none / 0)


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:50:46 PM EST
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Re: We need him for the Senate. n/t (none / 0)

We do, but I think Webb's seat is a different story, since he could stay in it up until Inauguration day (God willing we make it that far...), making it possible for Kaine to throw his hat into the ring, and the state GOP doesn't really have anyone who could top him (much like how they had to bring Jim Gilmore back just to have a sacrificial lamb in the race against Mark Warner).
by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:53:27 PM EST
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Obama/Clark: The cutest presidential ticket since 1992!


Someone tell the Strom Thurmondgeist to stop haunting the Clintons: upending chairs, opening creaky doors, possessing during USA Today interviews.
by Lettuce on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:02:37 AM EST
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It's gonna be Clark... no doubt about it!  He's the perfect VP for the situation at hand... although, you never know who else may be good.  Axelrod has made some great decisions in this campaign, I'm sure they will find someone good.


by LordMike on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:33:44 AM EST
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Clark/Obama was my ticket back in '06.  I actually saw Clark on the Santa Monica pier and considered urging him to run.  He was with his granddaughter so I didn't want to bug him.  My bad!


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by enozinho on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:03:29 PM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 1)

Webb and Obama contrast too much. You want a VP that complements the ticket but not one that clashes.

Webb brings nothing to the ticket that somebody else wouldn't also bring without the drawbacks.


by Ernst on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:42:39 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 4)

How about in Reid's spot?  We need a fighter like HRC there to get the job done and the agenda moving in a better direction.


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:06:28 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 1)

I'm 100% behind the idea of Hillary for Majority Leader

and I'm not just saying that because I'm from New York and I'd like to see a New Yorker Majority Leader :-D


by nrafter530 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:37:27 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 2)

Can we drop the "Czar" thing, as a country?

It's a right-wing reference to pre-soviet Russia and absolute monarchical control.  No thanks.  Secretary works just fine.


by Capt America on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:17:24 AM EST
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What?! (2.00 / 2)

I don't see it that way at all. She was supposed to lose both a couple weeks ago and only needed to win IN and keep NC within 20%.

8-10% and to lose NC by 1-3%

Just winning IN and not losing NC by more than 20% was a win for Clinton.


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much misogyny on progressive blogs.
by nonwhiteperson on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:02:35 AM EST

Re: What?! (2.00 / 4)

Obama just negated any gains Clinton made with Penn and IN in his NC win (on both popular and delegates.)  Given Penn was her huge win and the one thing keeping her in this, she needed to not bleed off as much tonight, but she did.  Now there are only a handful of delegates left, and the supers are seeing Obama, having survived a hellish 3 weeks, strong in the lead and still winning states by large margins.  I gotta agree with Todd, this thing is over.  


by iowa dem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:07:05 AM EST
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Re: What?! (2.00 / 1)

Anyone who thought Clinton had any chance to merely lose NC by 1-3% was smoking some of the best stuff you can buy in Boulder.

When 35% of the population is voting against you 92-8, it's not going to happen.

A loss is a loss.  I am surprised it was not bigger though.

Nevertheless, game over.

Time to think of consolation prizes.  Clinton earned one.  Obama would have too if the roles were reversed.


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:07:48 AM EST
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Re: What?! (none / 0)

To be fair, the black vote was looking to be a lot closer in the days before the contest.  Clinton had a shot at taking 15% of the black vote (closer to what she had in Ohio and Penn) but she didn't.  Thats where this size of win comes from.


by iowa dem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:09:19 AM EST
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Re: What?! (none / 0)

Actually, you can make the black vote 15% for her, and she still would have lost NC by 9 points.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/05/m ake-your-own-north-carolina-prediction.h tml

Would the spin be any different at 9 versus 14-15 points?

No.


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:12:34 AM EST
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Re: What?! (none / 0)

Actually, it might have been. I think the key reason for the turn in the media narrative tonight was the final evidence that Clinton cannot win the popular vote, even if FL and MI are included.  If she had performed five points better in each state and kept him to 100K net instead of 200K, there might still be a possibility.

It's not that tonight made her path to the nomination more difficult. It's that she has run out of stories to tell or theories about how to slice-n-dice the data to justify the superdelegates flocking to her. The big margin of victory is what sealed that.


Congratulations to our battle-tested nominee, Barak Obama!
by alvernon on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:17:44 AM EST
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Re: What?! (none / 0)

the final evidence that Clinton cannot win the popular vote, even if FL and MI are included.

I don't think that's a given.

She's down 200,000 with them both counted, according to RCP.

I don't think MI should count, but I do think she could make up 200,000 votes with big wins in WV, KY and especially PR.

Maybe not likely, but possible.  Turnout has been huge in these states.  Indiana had like 1.25 million people, 300,000 more people than who voted for Kerry in that state in 2004.

If she won WV and KY by 20-30% each with that kind of record turnout, she would net about 225,000 votes from them combined.

Not saying that's how the race should be decided, but it certainly is mathematically possible if you include MI and FL.

As far as PR, who knows what would happen there.

OR would be a good gain for Obama.

It's all moot though.  Popular vote doesn't matter to the media or superdelegates.


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:26:35 AM EST
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Re: What?! (none / 0)

There not that big and he'll win a lot back from big wins in Oregon and whatever advantage he gets from South Dakota and Montana.  This popular vote race is over.


Benjamin Franklin: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:53:58 AM EST
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Re: What?! (none / 0)

If we graciously give her the unopposed popular votes in Michigan - since she argues that we need to count all 50 STATES - then how can we give her popular vote gains in Puerto Rico - a place that has no say in November, and uh... it's not a state.

She can have Michigan or she can have Puerto Rico.  She can't have both.

Fair is fair.

Obama wins the most states.
Obama wins the most pledged delegates.
Obama wins the most popular votes.

Obama DESERVES the nomination.


by Obamaphile on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:12:24 PM EST
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This is what was expected (2.00 / 1)

as Alegre and others have said.

Don't give in to the blogger boys TM.


--donna darko. I don't read or respond to comments. There's too much misogyny on progressive blogs.
by nonwhiteperson on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:03:40 AM EST

Re: This is what was expected (2.00 / 2)

True, we have long expected that Obama will be the nominee. Whether Clinton gets out tomorrow or one month from now, the fight is over.

It is not a bunch of boys ganging up on a helpless girl to point this out.  Hillary is a warrior.  She was defeated. When she drops out she will be giving in to reality.

I certainly hope that the true believers are as willing to recognize that reality as Bill Clinton obviously was tonight. When she drops out, it will be an enormous waste of energy to continue complaining about the media, the patriarchy, the bubblehead fellow Dems who voted against her, or the race-baiting, vote-stealing nominee.


Congratulations to our battle-tested nominee, Barak Obama!
by alvernon on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:13:33 AM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (2.00 / 2)

You are so right. We women love it when the guys use the same old tired sexist gambits to clear the field so they have a clear shot at the goal posts. Our valuable energy will definitely not be spent complaining. Then again, it won't be spent campaigning for Obama, nor will it be spent trekking to the polls for him in November. In fact, I think I'll have a shirt to iron that day, or a sandwich to make.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:24:53 AM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (2.00 / 8)

You are so right. We women love it when the guys use the same old tired sexist gambits to clear the field so they have a clear shot at the goal posts. Our valuable energy will definitely not be spent complaining. Then again, it won't be spent campaigning for Obama, nor will it be spent trekking to the polls for him in November. In fact, I think I'll have a shirt to iron that day, or a sandwich to make.

I'll say it again: if Clinton were to win the nomination, I'd do my best to get her elected even though she's not my first (she's not even my 4th)) choice because I know that McCain is bad for the country.  You're welcome to disagree with me on this, but I was willing to put aside my differences with Obama when Edwards and Dodd (1st and 2nd choice) dropped out, because I know this is what's right.  

If you're not interested in launching a real fight against McCain, however, I don't see why you're even here.


I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:32:14 AM EST
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a pity (2.00 / 3)

whatever you're doing that day, think about this:

"McCain vows to name more 'Alitos' and 'Robertses'
By Matt Stearns | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON - John McCain sought to burnish his conservative credentials Tuesday with a broadside against "the common and systematic abuse of our federal courts by the people we entrust with judicial power" and a promise of "better judges" in the mold of Supreme Court Justices John G. Roberts and Samuel Alito.

In a speech on his judicial philosophy delivered in a chapel at Wake Forest University in North Carolina, McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, decried federal judges who "assured of lifetime tenures...show little regard for the authority of the president, the Congress and the states. They display even less interest in the will of the people."

The intended audience seemed delighted."

so....staying at home is gonna using your "valuable energy" to improve this country....how?? two supreme court justices will likely be chosen by the next president, and you want to fight every day from now til the election to make sure mccain doesn't get to pick them.

if you can't see that, then you've really lost sight of what's important.


by j cantarella on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:46:58 AM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (2.00 / 2)

A. Mazing.  You seriously do yourself and your candidate a great diservice by talking this way.  


by rkt on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:51:10 AM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (1.50 / 2)

There are a number of commenters here on MyDD who have so put me off the idea of Clinton as anything whatsoever. Those are the ones that I really don't want to see carrying water for Obama, because (to stretch the metaphor) they'd spill all the damn water.


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by X Stryker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:03:33 AM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (2.00 / 1)

Don't forget to stock up on coat hangers then.


Let's make love and listen to Death From Above.
by kasjogren on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:43:24 AM EST
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ouch (none / 0)

but pretty much what i was thinking when i read that comment, too.

frankly, any democratic woman who thinks that staying home this november is going to advance the feminist agenda is one of two things:

1. deluded beyond belief.
2. so heartbroken over last night that they need time to heal before realising that supporting our nominee over mccain benefits american woman more than sitting out the election.

i sincerely hope portia falls into the latter category.

sorry but there is no way i'm sitting this one out.  just look at SCOTUS.  forgive me but i'd rather not lose control over my reproductive organs, TYVM.


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by annatopia on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:43:00 AM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (none / 0)

This is a disgusting comment but it shows your naivety. I will not vote for McCain, but it is silly fearmongering to suggest he will overturn Roe vs. Wade. McCain was pro-choice before he was trying to mollify the religious right. Also, since the majority of Americans support abortion rights, it would be political suicide.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:22:08 PM EST
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sitting it out? (none / 0)

Tell me, are not the war, the environment, and fairness in the economy also women's issues? Children's issues?  Men's issues?  

To ignore that a Democrat, even one you dislike, is better than another Republican... esp. after these horrible Bush years... is to be caught up in small-thinking.  This is more than loyalty to one celebrity-politician, this is about real people's lives.  I'm confident that those refusing to vote will be a small minority of personality cultists, myopic paleofeminists, and racists. Obama will carry the party and the country.


by mikeinsf on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:25:52 PM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (none / 0)

He has never been pro-choice and has said he would appoint Scalias to the court.  I don't like Senator Clinton but I would vote for her in a heartbeat cause I am a values voter and McCain doesn't uphold mine.


Let's make love and listen to Death From Above.
by kasjogren on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:30:29 PM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (none / 0)

Wow. What a graceless and immature comment. It's sad to have people like you in the party.


by jadegirl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:58:46 AM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (none / 0)

Well, you will be happy to know that I've left the party along with many, many others who feel the same way. The Obama campaign and it's enablers in the DNC, not to mention it's  supporters have put me off Democrats for a very long time, maybe forever.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:15:51 PM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (none / 0)

So I can assume that you want a conservative SCOTUS that might succeed in overturning Roe v. Wade, correct?

Because that's what your actions will help happen.

Don't complain if you get your wish with a McCain presidency.

And please don't call yourself a feminist anymore, if that happens because folks like you sit this race out.


by Obamaphile on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:24:05 PM EST
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Re: This is what was expected (none / 0)

You obviously don't care much about women's issues than.

McCain will fill SCOTUS with anti-choice judges, so YOUR rights as a woman will be jeopardized.

Go ahead and shoot yourself in the foot if you want... don't say we didn't warn you.  And if you vote McCain or don't vote and he wins, you forfeit your right to bitch about the policies that he enacts that will hurt YOU.


by Obamaphile on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:16:04 PM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 2)

Very nice post. I certainly hope that eventually all of the avid Hillary supporters can come to the point where you are.

I like your idea of both of them campaigning together in WV, KY, and OR. I'm sure she has a massive campaign debt to retire (alegre's vigorous fundraising efforts nothwithstanding), and it would make much more sense to pay off that debt than to waste even more money on ads and field.  The feelings may still be too raw for this to happen, but what an amazing thing it would be.

As for the unity ticket, sorry, but it is a horrible idea. Obama should not have to spend his presidency worrying about what the ambitious couple at the Naval Observatory are cooking up. I'm thinking Bill in particular, who cannot even be controlled by his wife's campaign -- what's to stop him from undercutting President Obama if the whim takes him?

Here's hoping that her climbdown is as tactful and heartfelt as yours, Todd.


Congratulations to our battle-tested nominee, Barak Obama!
by alvernon on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:05:47 AM EST

Re: The Tie (2.00 / 12)

I'm a Hillary supporter until she drops out, but i agree that a very difficult path has become an almost impossible one unless something major happens soon.

Obama is an outstanding nominee, and he has my full support.

This contest has been good for Obama, he can now go into the general and say i took on the Clinton machine in the Democratic Party and i won. So don't ever doubt my ability to beat McCain.


by liberalj on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:12:43 AM EST

Re: The Tie (none / 0)

He's such a better candidate than he would have been if he had won NH and closed it out then.  And this has given him the opportunity to build organizations in the states.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:15:13 AM EST
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Re: The Tie (none / 0)

Totally agree.

This process was great for the party. Obama goes into the GE fully tested. Even at his lowest point he was tied with McCain in the polls with the entire Democratic Party behind him he can win this thing.


by liberalj on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:22:35 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (none / 0)

Todd:

Buck up, little camper, it's all good!

Okay, snide condescension (and bragodocio) aside, it's not a tragedy that Senator Obama will be our nominee, it's a great result for the Democratic party and the USA.

Come to the light, Hillary people!  All are welcome!

President Obama.  Get used to saying it.


Peace, S.
by Reluctantpopstar on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:15:33 AM EST

Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 3)

Can we avoid that? The condescension. Because I'd rather Senator Obama be the reason people don't vote for him, rather than it be his supporters.

I'm a big Obama supporter but even the smallest dig at this stage is pointless.

Just be humble and congratulate our opponents on an amazing victory in Indiana.


by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:19:02 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (none / 0)

Can we at least call it "hard-fought" and not "amazing"? There's condescension in overstatement, too.
by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:35:43 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 3)

Come to the light, Hillary people?  All are welcome?

Seriously, think about losing such language. It's not helpful to actually get clinton supports to back Obama.

It best to talk about Obama as a good, reasonable democrat instead as the second comming of camelot, because the people you need to reach wont believe the latter anyway and will find it off putting.


by Ernst on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:49:23 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 1)

Obama supporter here.  You're reeally not helping the cause.


by rkt on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:53:51 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (2.00 / 1)

I agree with the above repies to your message.  Telling HRC supporters to "come to the light" is simply confirming why we have felt sqeamish about Obama in the first place.

"Come to the light" is not going to have any traction with GE voters either.

We all need to figure out how to pull this party together, and win in November.  Believing in Tinkerbell ain't going to cut it.


by sarany on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:14:18 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (none / 0)

Can't anyone take a touch of irony, anymore?

Don't worry, there is no Tinkerbell Syndrome here.  All of us in Obama's camp have had plenty of time for introspection to determine whether it is simple enthusiasm or real support we feel, and the only Tinkerbell we know of is at Disney.

The man is good.  With luck the best president of our lifetimes (so far, let's hope for a better trend in future).

Examine the policies.  Think about the approach.  Listen to the intention.

If there is a better way to forecast how someone will act I certainly don't know what it is.

-chris


"A ship in port is safe, but that is not what ships are for. Sail out to sea and do new things." Admiral Grace Hopper, computer pioneer
by chrisblask on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:57:34 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (none / 0)

the question is, is it wise or strategic to mouth the very sorts of messages that are known to be a turn off to Hillary coalition?

and the answer is "no, it's dumb."  And it's horrible timing, when Obama is asking Clinton supporters to let go of her shot at the Presidency.

If the poster meant it flippantly, or ironically, which seems probable, then he / she should consider what is best for Obama today and in the coming weeks.

Grace, not irony, is called for.


by sarany on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:15:51 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (none / 0)

Dear Reluctantpopstar:

I appreciate the invitation but no thanks! You'll never get me to drink Kool Aid when I don't know who made it or what's in it. Each day I see a different Barack Obama and I am never sure which one is going to pop up. I will never vote for him as President even if Hillary is his running mate. Her name in the VP slot will indeed make it more difficult for to press something other than "D" but it won't stop me.

Peace back at you.  


by ladywalker68 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:49:33 AM EST
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Re: The Tie Has Been Broken (none / 0)

"Okay, snide condescension (and bragodocio) aside...."

Evedently NOT, at least in your case.  I was sorely tempted to troll rate your comment, but did not.

"Come to the light, Hillary people!  All are welcome!"

What in the world are you thinking of?  And how dare you imply that we were not in the light already?  "Buck up, little camper...."  What utter crap!  

Please, please, engage your brain before putting fingers on the keyboard.  

I will support Obama in spite of your post.


by BillCat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:56:03 AM EST
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Good luck to all (2.00 / 1)

Has the coronation begun even here at mydd? Ah, well. It may be that Obama will be the nominee, but just as his pastor speaks of the chickens  coming home to roost, perhaps it's best for Obama supporters not to count their chickens before they hatch. Obama is an underwhelming candidate for many of us. Yes, there are many partisans out there who will tick the right box in November, but there are also many of us who find the conduct of the Obama campaign and the Democrats' blessing of it a good reason to opt out of the process altogether.


If Hillary walked on water, she would be criticized for not swimming and if Obama swam, he would be lauded for being able to do what Hillary could not do.
by portia9 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:19:13 AM EST

Re: Good luck to all (2.00 / 1)

Coronations on August 28th, the 45th Anniversary of the Martin Luther King, I have a Dream Speech.

It's entirely ironic that it will be the 45th anniversary.

It's just one of those amazing coincidences; almost as if to say the time is now.

But whatever the DNC decides is the metric by which the nomination will be chosen, I will hope to capture.

We don't have 2024.5 delegates yet, so I'm not declaring Senator Obama the presumptive nominee or even the nominee; just that it's unlikely he will lose.

I do think Senator Clinton will always be in the wings until the 28th, just incase the proverbial other shoe drops and Senator Obama becomes unelectable.

That's just my opinion.

I do think we get the two parties of this wing together though - if not through a unity ticket, than perhaps through some good old fashion elbow grease and some GOTV.


by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:22:42 AM EST
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Re: Good luck to all (2.00 / 1)

wings of this party - is it late or what? XD.


by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:23:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

sorry (2.00 / 5)

for repeating myself, but i just think the bigger picture needs to be emphasized.

for what it's worth, i have been appalled by the clinton campaign over the last few months, no doubt as appalled as you have been by the obama campaign. BUT i would vote for hillary in a heartbeat if she were to win the nomination. here's why (and i'm mostly pasting in my comment above with slight alteration, sorry):

"McCain vows to name more 'Alitos' and 'Robertses'
By Matt Stearns | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON - John McCain sought to burnish his conservative credentials Tuesday with a broadside against "the common and systematic abuse of our federal courts by the people we entrust with judicial power" and a promise of "better judges" in the mold of Supreme Court Justices John G. Roberts and Samuel Alito.

In a speech on his judicial philosophy delivered in a chapel at Wake Forest University in North Carolina, McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, decried federal judges who "assured of lifetime tenures...show little regard for the authority of the president, the Congress and the states. They display even less interest in the will of the people."

The intended audience seemed delighted."

two supreme court justices will likely be chosen by the next president, and you want to fight every day from now til the election to make sure mccain doesn't get to pick them. "opting out" is irresponsible in the most serious way.

if you can't see that, then you've really lost sight of what's important.


by j cantarella on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:53:00 AM EST
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Re: Good luck to all (2.00 / 1)

Team HRC claimed that they represented regular folk who needed politics to better their lives.

But now these advocates for Joe Lunchbucket are now threatening to opt out of the electoral process b/c their candidate didn't win.

Tell me again about how it was such a slap to the abortion rights movement that Obama voted present, but now HRC supporters are threatening to actively or passively help McCain.