How Much Affirmative Action for Hillary?

Hillary Clinton came into this race with virtually 100% name recognition, an ex-president husband, the support of women's groups and a nation full of Democrats who owed her family a favor.  She had apparent invincibility and a seemingly endless ability to raise money.  Moreover, as her surrogates so often remind us, she's white!

So, if Hillary Clinton is 150 earned delegates behind and has lost the popular vote when the superdelegates begin to weigh in, then how much affirmative action should Hillary Clinton receive from the superdelegates to put her ahead of Barack Obama?

This presidential race is very much like a college admissions process in which Clinton and Obama are competing to get the most points on the SAT's as well as their grade point averages and personal essays.  But if, after all of her obvious advantages, Clinton is still behind by 150 delegates and 800,000 popular votes when the admissions decision is made, how much affirmative action should Hillary Clinton receive to put her ahead of Barack Obama?  And why?

Have we really gotten to the point in America where a white candidates for the presidency can request and receive affirmative action on the basis of the fact that they are white?  That would certainly be a perverse and ironic twist in America's march toward color-blindness.  Where is Ward Connerly when he is most (for once) needed?

The fact is, Hillary Clinton came to this race with so many advantages in her favor that she doesn't deserve any extra affirmative action at all.  We need a strong president who wins on her own merits; not an affirmative action candidate who gets another leg up in spite of already having started out on top.


Poll
How much affirmative action should Hillary Clinton receive?
An automatic 50 points extra?
An automatic 100 points extra?
An automatic 150 points extra?
An automatic 200 points extra?
No extra points?
Win on the merits or not at all.
Hillary doesn't need affirmative action.
Hillary wouldn't accept affirmative action.

Votes: 5
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Embarassing. . . (2.00 / 4)

I'm as pro-Obama as they come, but this diary, at the end of a difficult night for Clinton supporters on this site is just plain obnoxious.  If someone had written this about Obama (and they've come pretty dam close on Hillis44.org) I would be insanely offended.

Please delete this diary!


by shalca on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:10:51 AM EST

This is the most important time . . . (1.00 / 0)

Hillary says she won tonight, so I don't see why this is a bad time to pose this question.


by Manic Lawyer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:12:41 AM EST
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Re: Embarassing. . . (2.00 / 1)

Totally agree.


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by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:03:11 AM EST
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Re: How Much Affirmative Action for Hillary? (2.00 / 2)

I wonder what your aims are in publishing diaries like this on a near daily basis.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:11:53 AM EST

Challenge people to think? (1.00 / 0)


by Manic Lawyer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:13:05 AM EST
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Re: Challenge people to think? (2.00 / 0)

Posting something like this on a highly emotional night for Hillary's supporters demonstrates a callousness approaching sociopathy.  

As a civil rights advocate and Critical Race Feminist, I sometimes think your diaries raise points that need to be discussed.  But your shrill confrontational delivery gets you nowhere.  You come across as simply venting frustrations with no regard to whether you actually provoke thinking or open dialogue.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:38:58 AM EST
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Re: How Much Affirmative Action for Hillary? (none / 0)

The aim is simple.  Some BO supporters so hate HRC they will never stop smearing her. They hate HRC more than bush.  There are the ones killing the democratic party.

david


by giusd on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:20:41 AM EST
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Re: How Much Affirmative Action for Hillary? (2.00 / 2)

I really don't understand why you must bring affirmative action into this?


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by lizardbox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:14:48 AM EST

Re: How Much Affirmative Action for Hillary? (2.00 / 2)

Do you really have to post this tonight?  It's a little insensitive, and I say that as an Obama supporter who really dislikes Hillary.


by The Distillery on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:21:21 AM EST

What a trollish diary. (2.00 / 3)

It is totally uncalled for and only intended to incite anger.  It is not even relevant to the state of the race.

Operation Chaos at work I think.


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by you like it on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:22:03 AM EST

It's a simple question: (1.00 / 0)

Why does Hillary Clinton need affirmative action and does she deserve it in light of all of the advantages she had going in?


by Manic Lawyer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:38:22 AM EST
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I see no reason for Obama Supporters (2.00 / 3)

to be engaging in this. And so I hold it extremely odd that compassionate people would do this.

I don't want to call foul but I find it odd that such inciting things would be said. It reeks of trollism and an attempt to take enjoyment out of others suffering.

And so cut it the fuck out.

Thanks.


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by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:26:19 AM EST

Re: I see no reason for Obama Supporters (1.00 / 0)

Hillary says she's winning, so why should anyone in her camp be "suffering."

Hillary has said that after all the votes and delegates are counted, if Obama is ahead she can still count on affirmative action from the super delegates.  I'd like to know whether Hillary and her supporters are still going to demand affirmative action from the super-delegates, and I'd like to know what her disadvantage was going in that would make her a candidate for affirmative action.


by Manic Lawyer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:36:54 AM EST
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Re: I see no reason for Obama Supporters (2.00 / 1)

Hillary gave an address tonight that felt eerily like a concession speech.  

What is your intended reaction?

You believe her wounded supporters will say,

"Eureka!  That shrill Manic Lawyer guy is right.  Hillary needs affirmative action to win"?

How do you define "affirmative action"?  It's seems inapposite and inflammatory here.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:42:18 AM EST
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Affirmative action is superdelegates . . . (none / 0)

Affirmative Action is super-delegates giving one of the candidates help to put her ahead of the candidate who actually won the popular vote and the earned delegates.

I think we all know what affirmative action is.  The question is why Hillary Clinton is saying that she thinks she is an appropriate candidate for affirmative action?

What were the disadvantages she started out with that would make her an appropriate candidate for affirmative action?


by Manic Lawyer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:02:33 AM EST
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Re: Affirmative action is superdelegates . . . (none / 0)

"I think we all know what affirmative action is."

You should try to define the subjective terms you're using rather than assuming that readers all share an identical perspective that matches your own interpretation which, incidentally, you refuse to state.  

"Why Hillary Clinton is saying that she thinks she is an appropriate candidate for affirmative action?"

Oh, is that what she said?

You may find this counterintuitive, but being objective is actually more persuasive.  Sacrificing objectivity for the sake of attempted persuasiveness ultimately sacrifices both.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:47:43 AM EST
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Re: I see no reason for Obama Supporters (none / 0)


by Manic Lawyer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:07:06 AM EST
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Re: How Much Affirmative Action for Hillary? (2.00 / 2)

What a suprise, no tip jar...


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:27:32 AM EST

Why do you always do this, ML? (2.00 / 2)

I don't fully understand this sort of behavior. You've written some really top-notch diaries, even recently in the midst of the primaries (1, 2). I've enjoyed some of your work immensely, but then you always undermine your considerable talents by writing trollish nonsense like this. You're obviously intelligent, and you're an excellent writer. So what's the point of writing things which are intended solely to incite animosity and resentment?

This is a spiteful and disappointing diary. Usually, it would make me mad, but I'm feeling pretty down tonight. This diary just saddens me further. Your candidate won an impressive victory tonight. Delight in that, but don't go out of your way to taunt and irritate others. This diary accomplishes nothing. I hope to see a truly substantive and thought-provoking piece from you next time.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:38:17 AM EST

Hillary needs to concede. (1.00 / 0)

Then, she'll find that the entire Democratic Party respects her spunk and demands her return to the campaign trail in support of the Democratic nominee.

But, like Bill said, if she no longer can stand the heat, then she no longer should be in the kitchen.


by Manic Lawyer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:09:04 AM EST

It needs to be said: (none / 0)

Your diaries, such as this, are the work of a jerk.  Your comments above reflect the absolute last type of individual that Obama --if his message about hope and compassion is to be believed-- would want making public statements ostensibly in support of his candidacy.

You really need to grow up and get a clue.  

Let me be absolutely clear:  If I (and presumably others like me) don't start to see a helluva lot of humility from Obama and some of his vitriolic support base (note: I'm not saying everyone who supports him is vitriolic!), he will never get my vote. I've heard just about enough Clinton-bashing out of the Obama side, including ridiculous racism accusations.  

Obama absolutely needs the Clinton base.  And the Clinton base doesn't want to hear a peep out of his campaign, or any of the loudmouth diarists in forums such as this, about conceding.  

When/if she concedes, she concedes, period.  

After that --if it happens-- it's Obama who's going to have reach out to her to heal the rifts in the party.  He'll need her and her voters, not the other way around.  Consider yourself (and your ilk) on notice.  I'm watching, and listening.  


by DaTruth on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:13:25 AM EST
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Re: How Much Affirmative Action for Hillary? (none / 0)

You do Barack no favors with this sort of insulting, sore-winner diary.  This is exactly the sort of crap we need to not be doing right now.

Please, HRC supporters, realize that this diary far from speaks for all of us.

Prog


by Progressive Witness on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:40:42 AM EST

Re: How Much Affirmative Action for Hillary? (none / 0)

Wow!!! This is my first time here and I am simply amazed at the dialog here. What is very puzzling to me is the tone of the comments here to what I consider a very provactive question. The fact that this author has use a phrase that is erroneously associated with the implementation of quota systems to employ minorities and specifically African Americans to the Democratic primary candidates is, in my opinion brilliant. The unfortunate thing here, is that it is quite apparent that most of the commenters here are not aware that the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action in this Country have and continue to be white women.

While it is certain that Hillary has been quite successful in garnering the support of white women, it is also a certainty that she will not win this election without the support of African Americans - and specifically the same African Americans who supported and voted for her husband. Yet, she and her campaign team have done all in their power to not only polarize this former base but also minimize and antagonize it. She knows this, and has as a result, gone after the "Affirmative Action" vote. Interesting...very interesting.

This is all very interesting to me - but it is also par for the course. Don't know why I expected more from a site entitled "My Direct Democracy". Guess i'm one of those vitriolic Obama supporters that needs to have some humility. Oh, how funny!

SjP


by SjP on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:55:31 AM EST


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