My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (Updated)

Wow!  Just Wow!

What a great day!  An event that started out with a goal of bringing together 1,000 women, and maybe raising half a million dollars turned out to be an even bigger success than expected.  They completely sold out and then some guys - we were 1,400 1,500 strong and together we brought in over $1 MILLION for Hillary's history-making run for the White House!

My daughter and I got down to the event at around 4 or so - just in time for the check-in.  The campaign thought ahead - goodie bags were at the ready for the kids so they wouldn't get fussy or hungry.  Just the thing for an excited and bouncy 7 year old.

Each table host was encouraged to name a woman who they admire or has made a difference in their lives.  The honoree at our table was Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, who has worked night and day on behalf of her friend Hillary.

Everyone's been working hard for our gal - and I think this video says it all as to why...

Our table was right up front and Stephanie Tubbs Jones was really full of energy and enthusiasm as she took to the stage to kick off the event.  Later, a  friend of mine overheard someone ask her about adding another event to her schedule and she said she hadn't had a weekend off in 6 weeks (but I think she said yeah send me in - I'll do all I can to help Hillary win this thing).  She has been working tirelessly for Hillary - so hard - and was the emcee for this afternoon / evening's event. Terry McAuliffe was standing near our table most of the time - right near the door for the VIPs (Chelsea & Mrs. Rodham).  They need to get Terry a bigger coffee cup - the guy was constantly re-filling it.  Chelsea was great - it's so cool to see how terrific she's turned out.  And you should have seen Terry McAuliffe and Cong. Tubbs Jones clapping and hanging out while the local choir was singing.  

Hillary - as always - was amazing.  Nothing fazes her either guys. She's been putting in 16 - 18 hour days for the past 15 months and she's still standing tall and strong.  She walked into the room and said hello - took pictures with the many friends and supports along her way in to the podium, and walked up on to the stage with her niece Fiona.  A babe in arms - Chelsea introduced us to Fiona from the stage earlier and then handed her to grandma Rodham.  I'm sure seeing that baby fired up ideas of grandbabies in Hillary's mind as well.  This event was centered around generations of women and you should have seen all the young girls - and even a few boys that had come to this event with their moms.  And with mothers day approaching, Hillary talked a bit about how this campaign is all about the children, and the work our next president will need to do - the things she'll need to accomplish on their behalf.

I've never been prouder of my own sweet daughter. As I mentioned the other evening, I was a bit worried about how well she would handle being in a crowd of folks without easy access to - well everything. But she was so well-behaved and cheered right along with the rest of us.  She sat on my lap for a while and drew a few pictures if she got bored or tired.  It's like she grew up a year or two since that event at Bowie State in Feb.  Since our table was right up front along the rope line near the door she was to leave through, we got the chance to shake Hillary's hand and tell her how much she means to us.  One of the volunteers took my camera and got a few pictures of my daughter and Hillary, and some of my friends with Hillary.  We had a great group at my table too - friends from our local leadership group and a couple women I know from the phone bank at HQ.  What an evening!

We got home around 9:30 (just an hour past my daughter's usual bedtime) and I just got her to bed about 20 minutes ago.  She'll have quite the story to tell her friends at school tomorrow and for years to come.  I'll try to upload pictures to my photobucket page and send them out to friends and family tomorrow night - but I wanted to get a report out to my good friends here before I crash.

Tomorrow's another day you guys.  We raised $1 million today but they're still going to need to raise some serious money if Hillary's going to compete in the upcoming six states.  So if it's been a while since you last donated please - see if you can send Hillary some love.  You may not have been able to join us today, but donate and let Hillary know you've got her back.  

         

UPDATE

A friend sent me an article on the wall street journal about today's event. Check it out...

A crowd of 1,500 gathered at the “Generations of Women for Hillary” fundraiser at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, paying at least $250 a plate and helping to raise about $1 million for the campaign. Campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe, addressing attendees, offered no indication that Clinton would be slowing down in her bid for the White House. “She is going to Denver as the nominee of the Democratic Party of the United States of America. And then she’s going to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as the president of the United States of America,” he told the cheering audience.

snip

“I’ve been counted out more than once. But thanks to all of you I’ve come back,” Clinton said, earning a thunderous, extended ovation. She later added, “When I was counted out in New Hampshire, it was the women of New Hampshire who came back and said, ‘No, she’s not finished yet.’ When I was counted out before Super Tuesday it was women from California to Massachusetts who came and said ‘No, we’re not finished yet.’ When I was counted out before Ohio, before Indiana, we have always come back.”

The article also mentions something that I forgot to include - that as Hillary came into the room we were all waving our white cloth napkins in a circle over our heads. If memory serves - white was one of the colors of the Suffragist movement oh so many years ago. Pretty cool eh?

She still can't do this without our help gang...

HELP HILLARY FIGHT ON - CONTRIBUTE NOW!



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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 23)

It's a day neither of us will ever forget!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:55:32 PM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 15)

It wonderful that your daughter could be a part of this historic event!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:01:30 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 12)

Oh my goodness - you don't know the half of it.  Hillary talked about all of the issues folks care about - her Universal health care plan - fixing the economy - our children.  And the people there were PUMPED UP - we got on our feet and roared and cheered over and over and over and over again!  :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:18 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 10)

Thanks for a great diary.  I don't know how you do it. Like Hillary, you have great stamina.  

Katy seems so sweet.  Give her a hug from your virtual friend here when she wakes up!


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:10:09 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 1)

Thanks and will do!  (fyi - that's just her "screen name")  :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:51:45 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 8)

Indeed, Hillary is the only candidate out there talking about REAL SOLUTIONS to REAL PROBLEMS. Shes' got the experience and tenacity to get the job done.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:11:26 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

I respectfully disagree - the narrative is that he tals less substance, but their stumps had a similar amount of policy content. The article I read is old,  but this meme discourages me.

I joined up with Obama only after he showed me that he knew policy.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:17:58 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 7)

The difference is he knows the chapter headlines.  Hillary wrote the book.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:30 AM EST
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Thank you! (2.00 / 3)

That sums it up perfectly!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:25:46 AM EST
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Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (1.00 / 5)

Little Engine that Could, or Bob the Builder's book.

Based on her gas tax holiday bullshit.


by DemocraticLuntz on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:07:51 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (2.00 / 8)

WTF is wrong with you?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:10:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Taking money away from building transit (1.16 / 6)

to actually give people an option to stop having to pay so much for gas to give to the oil company [who won't lower their prices] via a  gas holiday is the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

The windfall profit tax makes it not nearly as bad since it at least means the gov't still gets the money, but she's not spending that money on transit.


by DemocraticLuntz on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:14:49 AM EST
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Re: Taking money away from building transit (2.00 / 5)

false. obama campaign strategy is to deliberately misrepresent hillary's plan as the same as mccain's. hillary's plan changes the funding source for the highway fund, but doesn't affect the level of funding. but you knew that, of course. you're just following orders.


by campskunk on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:19:40 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (none / 0)

Not to read too deeply, but he sounds a bit disgusted with your candidate. The long fight has left scars.

I hope to talk about that whenever they let me diary.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:14:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (1.80 / 5)

It's little Luntz, Alegre.  Surely you remember him.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:27:31 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (2.00 / 2)

i remembr hm well. he was a big participant in Yoshimi's thread trying to find out real-life informaton about Hillary supporters. he posted his picture.


by campskunk on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:22:24 AM EST
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I do. (2.00 / 2)

One of the nastiest anti-Hillary posters at DKos.  Now that the Clinton supporters have left or have retreated into silence, he and a few others find it necessary to come over here and disrupt a positive, heartfelt diary.

If this is unity, count me out.


by Radiowalla on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:44:26 AM EST
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alegre, no need for that (none / 0)

don't lose your cool.  This is a campaign to be the President of the United States... if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.


by froggyman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:33:23 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (2.00 / 5)

Poor little Luntz.  Bored without Hillary supporters to bash in your usual toxic habitat.  btw, it's way past your bedtime, kid.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:24:29 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 0)

I'm happy for alegre and her daughter... it sounds like they had a wonderful day.  

As to Tolstoy's comment, that's quite an amazing assessment of the two candidates.  I have a lot of respect for Hillary's accomplishments throughout her life.  She is truly a brilliant woman who deserves all the credit in the world for getting to where she is today.  Last summer I was all about her candidacy.  I remember thinking how great it would be if her and Barack were on the '08 ticket -- in any order.  However, for whatever reason, she stumbled early on, made some extraordinary missteps, and has clearly compromised her values to get this candidacy.  At her core, I still believe she's a good person.  But with some of the things she's done, and some of the positions she's taken during this campaign, it seems like she forgot what she was writing about and Barack has picked up with writing what's looking like a beautiful sequel.  Don't get me wrong, Hillary's book was great, but the story has changed and it goes on.  


by froggyman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:30:17 AM EST
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Respectfully.... (2.00 / 8)

I agree with John Edwards: "I want to see more substance under [Obama's] rhetoric."


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:23:56 AM EST
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Re: Respectfully.... (2.00 / 3)

I'll agree with that. I wish his speech last night had contained more nuts and bolts - the media were too busy declaring him to talk about that.

Trust me, there have been more than a few times where his campaign and I differed...


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:26:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I admit that most of the time I have heard (2.00 / 1)

Obama is by watching all of the debates.  In the debates, he ALWAYS wanted to answer after Hillary or John Edwards so he could copycat their answers or he could play word games.  I did not see a single incident of intellectual leadership on Obama's part.  At the time, I was more of an Edwards supporter than Clinton but I was convinced that Clinton won every one of the debates except for one which Edwards won.

Obama always came off looking like somebody who was trying to figure out what to say based on what everyone else said.  Another thing that supports that opinion is how frequently he wanted to wait to vote on anything in the Senate until after Hillary voted and on how frequently he voted present or later said that he had pressed the wrong button when he "accidentally" voted the wrong way.

Finally, even his speeches are copied from others.  I don't recall the name right now but I have seen the videos on You Tube in which this other black guy says phrases and makes points in his speeches and then, at later dates, Obama uses the precise same phrases making the same points in his speeches.  It is highly entertaining and very enlightening about Obama's substance.


by macmcd on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:01:45 AM EST
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Re: I admit that most of the time I have heard (none / 0)

"the other black guy" is Deval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts.

It's incredible how smears come back full circle...we're now back at "plagiarism".


by amiches on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:47:04 AM EST
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Re: Obama & Patrick (2.00 / 1)

The truth is NOT a smear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6x1H08a Fc


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:16:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama & Patrick (1.00 / 1)

Okay, you think he's a black terrorist Muslim plagiarist right-wing Communist radical. We all get it. Who gives a shit?


by amiches on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:33:13 PM EST
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Re: Obama & Patrick (2.00 / 1)

Again, Obama followers attacking and not addressing he substance.  A lot like their candidate.


by anya109 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:10:40 PM EST
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Re: I admit that most of the time I have heard (none / 0)

Debates are not Obama's strength, as I think most supporters will state. I think there were some instances of intellectual leadership, like acting against Pakistan and talking with Osama, but I only remember those because of the ensuing controversies.

I think debate watching is highly colored by bias for everyone (including me), just like watching a sports match.

His switched votes were in Illinois, and very common, I think. Nothing to see their, except perhaps a lack of attention. I'd like to see soem backup for your assertion that he always waited for Clinton in the senate.

In regards to the "plagiarism," Patrick suggested the lines that Obama used, and Obama cited Patrick when he used them, but not always. That's an old controversy, but I think my memory is accurate.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:02:50 PM EST
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Congrats (2.00 / 5)

Glad you and your daughter had an opportunity to meet with her.


by optimusprime on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:07:20 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 5)

Thanks!  So are we ;o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:11:15 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 5)

Hillary is simply amazing.  Is it OK to say she looks beautiful? I don't know how she it.  Taylor put up this press conference, and she simply shines:

<iframe height="339" width="425" src="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/24505208#24505208" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:43:04 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 3)

Does embed work??
Press conference, try this link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/ 24505208#24505208
I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:46:08 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 3)

You are right. When she is rested... like all of us... she looks FABULOUS! I have always thought she was a pretty woman and that also goes for Chelsea!


Washington Woman

EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:06:11 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 1)

those msnbc videos don't embed, for some reason.

you can click on the link:

link


by campskunk on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:34:19 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

Yes, everyone donate to help continue this cause and this historic race. Obama is backed by every media outlet, but Hillary has the experience and back ground.

I myself can no longer donate, having reached the $2,300 plateau, but many of you still can. You won't regret it. Please donate to www.hillaryclinton.com


by Folkwolf101 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:02:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 8)

Thanks for another positive diary, from an Obama supporter. I respect her work ethic as well.


by Falsehood on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:56:06 PM EST

Ha! If anyone believes that, I have a bridge... (1.66 / 6)

I'd like to talk to you about.


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I beg your pardon (2.00 / 4)

Just because some supporters on each side haven't been respectful doesn't mean that I am not capable of giving a complement. She and Bill have worked HARD for this, and I can respect her work ethic even as I disagree with her.

It is possible to disagree agreeably.

I respect John McCain's service, but will I support him? Nope.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:03:32 AM EST
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My goodness (1.60 / 5)

  Jesus Coyote, you've got a problem with everyone don't you? My goodness, it was a gracious comment and you still couldn't help but deride the person.

  How pathetic!!


by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Zebra's don't change their stripes. (1.50 / 2)

You all sound so phony - and then I realize why.

BO can't win when we don't vote for him.  It's finally sinking in!

And it's a little late to try that little game, isn't it?


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:17:15 AM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (1.00 / 1)


   LOL...go ahead partner. Sit it out, or vote for McCain. Not our problem. Most of us want a Democratic administration, while you want to gripe that your candidate lost.

  Hey, it's a free country!!


by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:18:52 AM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (none / 0)

This post is a very positive, pro Hillary diary entry. It doesn't in anyway bash Senator Obama.It is uplifting for Sen. Clinton's supporters after a really hard fought primary. A very kind thing. After reading the comment by Senator Obama's supporters I am mystified at the negativity. I can see that there is no safe harbor for Clinton supporters in the Obama general election campaign. It's not the Clinton folks who just can't let it go, nope. it seems to be the Team Obama who has the problem.

I'm thinking a walkout by the Clinton supporters in the national convention is a good thing.

Superdelegates take note.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:35:34 AM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (none / 0)

See Hillaryis44

Furthermore, the failure of Obama supporters to be nice isn't quite the crime that I see meriting a convention walkout.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:14:41 PM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (none / 0)

Falsehood.

go back to where you referenced this part of the comments

I posted something for you there.

hugs to you.

12 dogs.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:24:27 PM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (2.00 / 2)

Alright Zebra -

Go back and look at my comments. I DEFY you attepts to paint my kindness as manipulative and cold-hearted. You are RIGHT, I am trying, and trying hard, to be the nicest Obama supporter I can be, because I've seen the damage as a MyDD and dKos lurker.

I am trying to show you and others that there are Obama supporters who can hopefully have your respect, if not agreement. Every time you reject that, you make it harder for a Democrat to win.

I've been on Conference Calls with both of them, and I'm fine with either as President. Stop assuming what I think and how I feel.

You only demean yourself.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:21:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (none / 0)

have given out for the past 5 months, it's hard to believe anything that sounds remotely "nice".

It's going to take a lot more than nice words to stop the post traumatic stress reaction that you all have inflicted on our candidate and us.


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:23:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (2.00 / 0)

Hopefully, I can post some nice diaries too, but they haven't given me that option yet....

But, I intend to use more than kindness. Bringing the netroots back together isn't going to happen fast, but I'll work for that, no matter how this turns out.

Also, I'd remind you that as an Obaam supporter, I've had a few names thrown my way as well. Neither camp is innocent - see Hillaryis44, though I've haven't checked them recently.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:29:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If you don't like a site, don't go there. (2.00 / 1)

And remember this, too.  Alegre is one of several heros to legions of us Hillary supporters and she has also taken some incredibly stupid and personal hits from Obama supporters.

So be nice to her or, we will seek you out!  (That's a snark....at least the last part)


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:40:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If you don't like a site, don't go there. (2.00 / 0)

Random Question:

Who do you consider to be the heroes?


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:49:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Random answer (2.00 / 1)

Stick around and find out.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:13:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (2.00 / 4)

Hillary Clinton, Taylor Marsh, Susan and Larry from No Quarter, and the wonderful Anglachel (and her journal).

Also Uppity Woman, New Hampster, Teresa in Pa, LinFar, Chelsea Clinton, TexasDarlin, TucsonLynn, Litigator Mom, my husband, dhonig, Joeysky, Jeryln and BTD at Talk Left, Canadian gal, Bill Clinton, Dr.VioletSocks, texasdem, teese, soitgoes, dcupples, shainzona, flineo, gabrieledroz, ghost 2, grrlpatriot, izarradar, annnashane, atdnext, architect, katiebird, lisa sockett, owellwoman, pacificjohn, paganpower, t=riverbird, sclare, sluggo ....I know I've forgotten a lot of others.

But they have kept us sane.  Focused.

AND PUMPED.  RISE HILLARY, RISE!


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:14:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, and KNOWVOX! (2.00 / 2)


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:15:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, and KNOWVOX! (none / 0)

Thx, Coyote!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:18:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (1.00 / 1)

Hero's huh?  This site gets more entertaining by the day.

How many people on the above list exhibit the descriptions below:

The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.

That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.

Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.

The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.

There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.

An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.

The belief is, at the least, unlikely.

The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.

The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.

-----

A person with delusional disorder can be quite functional and does not tend to show any odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions.


by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:44:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (2.00 / 1)

Two things, RockvilleLiberal2.

One.

It is illegal to practice medicine without a license.

And two.

If you do have a license? You should know better. It is malpractice to diagnose a patient who you don't even know their real name, sex, any history.... You get the idea.

So from a person with a health care back ground? Leave the pop. psy. book on the library shelf and write a diary about your concerns. You'll feel better.

Besides this is a very needed boost for Sen. Clinton's supporters right now. They've been bashed enough. Let it go.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:50:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (none / 0)

I don't have a medical license, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:57:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (none / 0)

P

"I don't have a medical license, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."

Well then RockvilleLiberal, as you don't have a medical license? Put down the Merck Manual and lighten up.

This is not a good way to support Obama and win a Clinton supporter's vote. :(

Don't diagnose.

Doesn't that Holiday Inn Express have a mini bar? Might be worth the extra expense to have a beer and watch a baseball game on cable.

Remember what the real world looks like. In other words? Lighten up! Sheesh.

Now.

I don't know you. So I'll take my own advice and not assume, but, really it's rude to be so negative on such a nice thread. No matter who you vote for.

Bad diary manners.

Shame.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:35:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I thought his/her diagnosis was pretty light (none / 0)

I think someone is too serious to get teh humor, and it's not RL.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:31:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I thought his/her diagnosis was pretty light (none / 0)

Humor?

LOL

And I thought I WAS being funny. Guess ya missed it? Sheesh. I'll go for belly laughs next time.

Lighten up!


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:18:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You made me laugh (none / 0)

is "lighten up" your catch phrase?


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:38:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You made me laugh (none / 0)

"is "lighten up" your catch phrase?" bookish

No it's my mantra. Helps me remember not to be a jerk. :D

I'd be glad to chat with you if you're trying to start a conversation.
Glad to have a chat.

So, bookish and Rockville too,

I was on my way out for the "early bird special" :D. But I can take a minute.

How are you? What do you think is the future of women in presidential elections in the future?  What is your real life involvement in politics?

 


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:49:59 PM EST
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Oh, you know (none / 0)

roaming the blags, stirring up trouble. Nice weather we're having, dontcha think?

That early bird special, what's that come with? I love me some gravy.

Whoa, that wasn't much of a segue there, partner. Women in elections? I think we'll have one pretty soon, probably not this go-round, though. This one just couldn't quite shake her history.

Me and politics have a love/hate relationship, and I don't really know you well enough to get that personal just yet, so we'll save that topic for a cup of joe down the line.

All best.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:19:50 PM EST
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Re: Gravy? You get gravy? (none / 0)

LOL

Tonight? Probably pasta.

You know if we had a thread where folks could stop defending each others political choices and start talking about--oh I dunno--

anything but politics? Like at a mixer.

We might all stop fussing.

The question about women's right to vote is a really interesting one.
If you think about it.

Now then.
That "earlybird" pasta's not gonna cook it's self.

Regards and please stop stirring up trouble.

Life is complicated enough as it is.

12dogs


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:32:05 PM EST
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Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (none / 0)

<sigh> google Delusional - 1st response is wiki where you will see I took it word for word.  Relax, teh interwebs are seriouz bizness


by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:30:48 PM EST
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Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (none / 0)

LOL Rockville

How was the beer and the ball game?

Serious moment.

I have seen folks who don't have a clue start spouting off about someone's mental health. They do it to  discredit the other person's arguement.

Are you familiar with the word?

discredit-(v.) To cause to be doubted or distrusted.

The person doing the "diagnosing" has no clue who they are talking to or their situation. Now they
may think this is great funny but to the other person it might not be. Maybe like kicking the other person in the shins not funny.

This is a gentle reminder.

Oh and if I was going to diagnose someone's mental state? The last place I would look would be WIKIPEDIA. <<Now that is funny.</p>

Sorry to be so serious but this is such a sweet diary entry. Kind of nice. Which is pleasant to see in such doozy of an election. If the Democrats are going to go forward they're going to have to do alot of getting over it.

That's not easy. Takes time and effort. Believe it or not? A post like this one is an excellent start. Imagine if you worked your butt off for your candidate while being told the entire time that he should quit. You'd be glad for alittle happy! Which this diary entry is--happy!

If Obama is to win the general election, he is going to need these folks vote. :)

So, I'll ask you the same question that I asked someone else.

If someone asked for your vote while they were spitting on your shoes would you vote for them?

LOL,Rock, it's a healing thing.:D

Off the serious.

Now about that beer and a ball game.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:04:56 PM EST
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Re: I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (2.00 / 4)

Ok - let's take it down a few notches gang.  Ok? :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:13:17 AM EST
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Peace!! (2.00 / 3)


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:19:25 AM EST
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Re: I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (1.00 / 1)

'WTF is wrong with you?"

Yeah, because you're the voice of reason.  You and Talyor Marsh.  Pfft sanity.


by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:47:47 AM EST
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Re: I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (none / 0)

What are you trying to accomplish? What do you think your comment will achieve besides making you feel better?


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:15:59 PM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (2.00 / 1)

Okay.  I'll give you the  benefit of the doubt and admit that there is at least one Obama supporter who hasn't called Senator Clinton every vile name ever concieved, accused her of every evil since Eve and taken every opportunity to to belittle her lifelong dedication to public service.

Have a virtual gold star.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:34:01 AM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (none / 0)

Sweet :D

I think you forgot about waxing eloquent on his leg tingling speeches. Matthews was rightly harassed for that quote last night.

His profile in whatever magazine that was is fascinating. The New Yorker?


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:37:26 AM EST
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agreed, and (2.00 / 3)

...I've got property off the coast of florida...

seriously, it has been rather curious to get nice comments from some of the most vocal obama supporters, only to be slammed in another diary.  It does make it tough to believe!


by 4justice on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:16:01 AM EST
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(Pssstt.. they're only trying to (2.00 / 3)

hoodwink and bamboozle us - they think we're stupid and if they say something nice we will roll over and vote for BO.)

(Psssttt...it's not going to happen!)

Glad you noticed that they say something "nice" and then turn around and play their nasty little games.


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:19:00 AM EST
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shhh (2.00 / 1)

don't tell 'em we know!!


by 4justice on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:24:14 AM EST
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(We won't...but we'll have a good laugh (2.00 / 1)

about it, won't we?"


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:25:22 AM EST
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yes we can! (2.00 / 1)


by 4justice on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:26:18 AM EST
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Re: (Pssstt.. they're only trying to (1.00 / 1)

If we could be hoodwinked and bamboozled we'd be Obama supporters.  


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:32:50 AM EST
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Re: (Pssstt.. they're only trying to (none / 0)

Begging your pardon, but I have met Clinton supporters who have been most definably hoodwinked, but not by Senator Clinton.

They think Obama is a Muslim who wouldn't pledge to the flag. No one has a monopoly on ignorance.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:17:32 PM EST
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Re: agreed, and (2.00 / 1)

If I've slammed someone, or you, please let me know. It is not my intention.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:28 AM EST
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Re: agreed, and (1.50 / 2)

You are trying to have a reasonable dialog with people that have pledged to never under any circumstances vote for Obama, and who claim as their heroes posters from the thinly veiled hate site NoQuarter.

Good luck with that.


by map on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:43:16 AM EST
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Re: agreed, and (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, but that thinly veiled hate site is the Great Orange Satan. And it's not so thinly veiled.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:06 PM EST
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I love the Great Orange Satan (none / 0)

Mmmm. Delicious.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:35:10 PM EST
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Re: agreed, and (none / 0)

The he "Great Orange Satan" has accomplished some good as well. Ergo, I request that you only call it "The Great Orange Half-Satan".

:D


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:18:22 PM EST
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Re: agreed, and (none / 0)

Obama wants to the President of Iran (with propoer preparation.)

If he can do that, I can dialog with these people, especially since I don't agree with you on how impossible talking to them is. I respect the time and energy they have put into this, and I want to make is possible to channel that energy to Obama should he be the nominee.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:05:21 PM EST
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Re: agreed, and (none / 0)

Honestly, I'm not at all sure I understand why for Clinton supporters to vote for Obama, they seem to need to have Obama supporters like or atleast respect Clinton.

Let's say that I think Clinton to be the reincarnation of Darth Vader. If I think it and if I believe she'd be catastrophic as a president, it becomes my moral obligation to try to dissuade people from voting for her.

Either way, why should my judgement of Clinton affect your judgement or potential vote for Obama?


by Aris Katsaris on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:59:20 AM EST
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Re: agreed, and (2.00 / 0)

It doesn't.  Why would you think it would?


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:34:31 AM EST
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Re: agreed, and (none / 0)

The idea/goal here, I think, is that people can find common ground to agree upon. Sharing interests/ideas helps people to work together.

Also, its only through dialog that opinions change. We can't only talk to those we agree with. Your opinion doesn't matter so much in and of itself, but your REASONS matter a lot.

Does that make sense?


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:21:06 PM EST
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Actually... (2.00 / 4)

Hey coyote - falsehood was actually pretty decent in the diary I posted on this two days ago.  Some folks are able to be cool at times and for that I give him / her credit.  Peace :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:18:16 AM EST
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Glad he was with you Alegre...not so (2.00 / 2)

with others of us.


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:19:31 AM EST
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Re: Actually... (2.00 / 1)

Thank you Alegre-

I've made the same effort in all my comments, or at least I hope so. (Feel free to check, all) I've just had the timing to be on MyDD when you've posted your last two entries.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:23:42 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

Mojo for ridiculous unwarranted attack on a positive comment.


Poor, gun-owning white guy for Obama
by Mandoliniment on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:03:58 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 9)

I've never seen anyone who works as hard as this lady does.  I've lived in or near DC for (counting) 24 years now and I don't think I've ever seen someone work as hard as Hillary.

Absolutely amazing.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:29 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

I recall how Obama chose to base his early Senate work ethic off of her - he chose her and her methods to work off of.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:12:21 AM EST
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Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

Voting "present," which he did more than 100 times, is NOT emulating Hillary's work ethic. Dodging the vote on Kyl-Lieberman is NOT emulating HRC's work ethic. Not holding a single hearing on the Subcommittee on European Affairs, since he took over as its chairman last January, is NOT emulating HRC's work ethic.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:33:45 AM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

Frankly I'm underwhelmed with Obama "work" ethic.  For eight years he only worked part-time as a State legislator.  Good thing he had a wife who had a real full time job.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:40:37 AM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

On this one, I can say with confidence that your assertion isn't true. He was a Senior Lecturer teaching at the U of Chicago. Remember "Professor-gate?"


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:47:12 AM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

Stop with the bs.  At every university and college, people use the generic "professor" to refer to people who teach there.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:21:33 AM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

I was trying to get people to remember his other job be referencing the controversy. Senior Lecturer is the official title, though Professor is just as acceptable.

I wasn't trying to propagate that he wasn't a professor - he clearly was.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:22:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (1.00 / 0)

Such a bad thread to play defense. Sigh....

A: The present votes were in Illinois (I think you know that, but your comment might imply otherwise). They are an acceptable legislative strategy for voting against a bill (they have that effect) while supporting its intention. For example, requiring teachers to instill discipline in their students. Good cause, stupid bill.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl es/2008/01/24/fact_check_obamas_present_ votes/
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/200 7/12/20/fact_check_present_votes_are_a.p hp

B: Dodging any vote isn't the bad part. He waited until the Senate voted to declare how he would have, and I don't agree with that. I'm not sure abotu all the foreign policy, but an expert I spoke to thought the vote was a definite step toward armed conflict. That said, I still don't like what he did.

C: Do you have a subject to hold hearings on? If no bills are proposed in the area, its hard to hold hearings. Furthermore, he has been running for office ever since the Dems got a majority, so he hasn't had a lot of free time, and he has chaired general foreign relations committee meetings.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:45:36 AM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

Obama's actions were indefensible.

A. Illinois NOW wasn't impressed with his "present" votes, and stated it was NOT an acceptable legislative strategy:

To be clear, voting "present" on those bills was a strategy that IL NOW did not support. At that time, we made it clear to the legislators that we disagreed with the strategy. We wanted legislators to take a stand against the harmful anti-choice bills being brought to the floor of the Illinois State Senate. Voting "present" does not demonstrate leadership and does not send the clarion signal that one is unwavering in their support of a woman's right to choose. IL NOW knew that those bills were unacceptable to women.... [Obama] has not taken leadership on the issue at the same level that Hillary has.

www.illinoisnow.org

B. On "Meet the Press," Obama criticized Clinton's vote on Kyl Lieberman, but failed to show up for the vote. Not only did he dodge the vote, but he had the audacity to criticize others who took a stand he failed to take.

C. If Obama was too busy "running for office," he should have declined taking a committee chairmanship just for show. He took no leadership, and did nothing.
 


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:09:37 AM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

NOW might not be impressed but Obama worked out the strategy with Planned Parenthood, not with NOW.


by map on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:45:16 AM EST
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Re: Obama's waffle vote (none / 0)

Sorry, but NOW wins this argument:

Voting "present" does not demonstrate leadership and does not send the clarion signal that one is unwavering in their support of a woman's right to choose.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:02:52 PM EST
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Re: Obama's waffle vote (none / 0)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs

I await your thoughts on this.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:26:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

On your point A.  you do know that the legislative strategy was devised by Planned Parenthood who gave Obama a 100% rating (I know you do, but you ignore it because it doesn't back up your argument).

Planned Parenthood and Illinois Now were not in agreement on how to proceed on these votes.  But thanks to Senator Obama and Planned Parenthood some other democrats were also able to vote present instead of no (they were in heavy republican districts) which in turn made it possible for the IL senate to come under Democratic control.  Once the IL senate was controlled by Democrats they (led by Obama) made certain no other legislation to limit a woman's right to chose was jeopardized.  In fact no other such legislation made it out of the comittee that Obama chaired.

In this respect, I think that any fair minded individual would come to the conclusion that the heavily antagonistic measure of voting present present and not jeopardizing democratic seats payed off with the desired effect.

I am sorry you, and Illinois Now were/are unable to see these simple facts, however the women of IL do remember as I am sure Planned Parenthood remembers.

Perhaps you should go check it out if want to see both sides of the story.

http://ppaurora.blogspot.com/2008/02/set ting-record-straight-illinois-nows.html

http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/


by Why Not on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:02:14 AM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

LOL it is late and I am running sentences together.. forgive my lack of clarity above.

There was no new legistlation that came out of Obama's comittee that jeopardized a woman's right to chose.

I know I'll have people on me for that one despite what I meant to say.


by Why Not on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:06:02 AM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

Not true, and you know it.

[Obama supporters] assert that the strategy to vote "present" was devised to give political cover to legislators in conservative districts. State Senator Barack Obama did not represent a conservative district and he could have voted "no" with little negative consequence in his district.

Spin, spin, spin all you want.

Voting "present" is an act of cowardice, especially on an issue of paramount importance to the reproductive rights of women.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:10:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

Uhm I'm not asking this to be a smart aleck or a jerk or a pot stirrer.

I'm asking to figure a parrallel.

Sen. Obama opted out of a "yes" or "no" vote  and instead voted "present".

Does that parallel.

A Clinton voter who doesn't vote "yes" or "no" for Obama but instead estentially votes "present" by not voting in the general election.

Note this doesn't speak to my personal belief concerning a possible walk out at national convention.

I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk here. I can pose the question in my diary for you  to answer if this is too off topic for this diary entry.

This is such a delightful diary entry I didn't want to go off topic. Sorry to diary author if I did.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:52:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

There is a major difference here.  You are a voter, you vote present (not vote or third party) that is your choice but you only have yourself to answer to in the morining.

These legislators that were afforded the possibility to vote present (on votes designed by republicans so that they would have to answer to them in their re-election campaigns) had to answer to their constituents many of whom might have voted against them if they were towing the pro-choice line.


by Why Not on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:23:55 PM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

Not quite the same, because a present vote is a NO vote in terms of getting legislation passed. It is not an abstention.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:39:05 PM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

I never said he was in a conservative district..  What I said is that he afforded other legislators in conservative districts the ability to vote present instead of no.

Please do not put words in my mouth.  This is not spin, these are the facts.  If you are against the legislative stragey that worked fine, but that was the strategy.


by Why Not on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:21:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

First, voting Present has the same effect as a no vote. It is not the same thing as abstaining, though this point does not dilute your argument.

You are free to see it as an act of cowardice; however, the former President of Chicago NOW endorsed him, and the letter from PP makes it clear why they did that.

If you think it as bad strategy, you are free to say so. The fact is that it worked, and Obama is ON RECORD as a strong support for Choice. You can cite this one example without context, but you will be misleading in doing so.

You do have some rational basis for your opinion. I think there is much more of a basis for the statements from PP. If this reflected cowardice, then WHY ISN'T HE BEING CONDEMNED BY THE MAJOR PLAYERS FOR IT?

I don't think you can answer that question.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:37:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm still searching (none / 0)

for that "fair minded individual" around here. Let me kno