My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (Updated)

Wow!  Just Wow!

What a great day!  An event that started out with a goal of bringing together 1,000 women, and maybe raising half a million dollars turned out to be an even bigger success than expected.  They completely sold out and then some guys - we were 1,400 1,500 strong and together we brought in over $1 MILLION for Hillary's history-making run for the White House!

My daughter and I got down to the event at around 4 or so - just in time for the check-in.  The campaign thought ahead - goodie bags were at the ready for the kids so they wouldn't get fussy or hungry.  Just the thing for an excited and bouncy 7 year old.

Each table host was encouraged to name a woman who they admire or has made a difference in their lives.  The honoree at our table was Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, who has worked night and day on behalf of her friend Hillary.

Everyone's been working hard for our gal - and I think this video says it all as to why...

Our table was right up front and Stephanie Tubbs Jones was really full of energy and enthusiasm as she took to the stage to kick off the event.  Later, a  friend of mine overheard someone ask her about adding another event to her schedule and she said she hadn't had a weekend off in 6 weeks (but I think she said yeah send me in - I'll do all I can to help Hillary win this thing).  She has been working tirelessly for Hillary - so hard - and was the emcee for this afternoon / evening's event. Terry McAuliffe was standing near our table most of the time - right near the door for the VIPs (Chelsea & Mrs. Rodham).  They need to get Terry a bigger coffee cup - the guy was constantly re-filling it.  Chelsea was great - it's so cool to see how terrific she's turned out.  And you should have seen Terry McAuliffe and Cong. Tubbs Jones clapping and hanging out while the local choir was singing.  

Hillary - as always - was amazing.  Nothing fazes her either guys. She's been putting in 16 - 18 hour days for the past 15 months and she's still standing tall and strong.  She walked into the room and said hello - took pictures with the many friends and supports along her way in to the podium, and walked up on to the stage with her niece Fiona.  A babe in arms - Chelsea introduced us to Fiona from the stage earlier and then handed her to grandma Rodham.  I'm sure seeing that baby fired up ideas of grandbabies in Hillary's mind as well.  This event was centered around generations of women and you should have seen all the young girls - and even a few boys that had come to this event with their moms.  And with mothers day approaching, Hillary talked a bit about how this campaign is all about the children, and the work our next president will need to do - the things she'll need to accomplish on their behalf.

I've never been prouder of my own sweet daughter. As I mentioned the other evening, I was a bit worried about how well she would handle being in a crowd of folks without easy access to - well everything. But she was so well-behaved and cheered right along with the rest of us.  She sat on my lap for a while and drew a few pictures if she got bored or tired.  It's like she grew up a year or two since that event at Bowie State in Feb.  Since our table was right up front along the rope line near the door she was to leave through, we got the chance to shake Hillary's hand and tell her how much she means to us.  One of the volunteers took my camera and got a few pictures of my daughter and Hillary, and some of my friends with Hillary.  We had a great group at my table too - friends from our local leadership group and a couple women I know from the phone bank at HQ.  What an evening!

We got home around 9:30 (just an hour past my daughter's usual bedtime) and I just got her to bed about 20 minutes ago.  She'll have quite the story to tell her friends at school tomorrow and for years to come.  I'll try to upload pictures to my photobucket page and send them out to friends and family tomorrow night - but I wanted to get a report out to my good friends here before I crash.

Tomorrow's another day you guys.  We raised $1 million today but they're still going to need to raise some serious money if Hillary's going to compete in the upcoming six states.  So if it's been a while since you last donated please - see if you can send Hillary some love.  You may not have been able to join us today, but donate and let Hillary know you've got her back.  

         

UPDATE

A friend sent me an article on the wall street journal about today's event. Check it out...

A crowd of 1,500 gathered at the “Generations of Women for Hillary” fundraiser at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, paying at least $250 a plate and helping to raise about $1 million for the campaign. Campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe, addressing attendees, offered no indication that Clinton would be slowing down in her bid for the White House. “She is going to Denver as the nominee of the Democratic Party of the United States of America. And then she’s going to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue as the president of the United States of America,” he told the cheering audience.

snip

“I’ve been counted out more than once. But thanks to all of you I’ve come back,” Clinton said, earning a thunderous, extended ovation. She later added, “When I was counted out in New Hampshire, it was the women of New Hampshire who came back and said, ‘No, she’s not finished yet.’ When I was counted out before Super Tuesday it was women from California to Massachusetts who came and said ‘No, we’re not finished yet.’ When I was counted out before Ohio, before Indiana, we have always come back.”

The article also mentions something that I forgot to include - that as Hillary came into the room we were all waving our white cloth napkins in a circle over our heads. If memory serves - white was one of the colors of the Suffragist movement oh so many years ago. Pretty cool eh?

She still can't do this without our help gang...

HELP HILLARY FIGHT ON - CONTRIBUTE NOW!



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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 21)

It's a day neither of us will ever forget!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:55:32 PM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 13)

It wonderful that your daughter could be a part of this historic event!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:01:30 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 11)

Oh my goodness - you don't know the half of it.  Hillary talked about all of the issues folks care about - her Universal health care plan - fixing the economy - our children.  And the people there were PUMPED UP - we got on our feet and roared and cheered over and over and over and over again!  :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:18 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 9)

Thanks for a great diary.  I don't know how you do it. Like Hillary, you have great stamina.  

Katy seems so sweet.  Give her a hug from your virtual friend here when she wakes up!


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:10:09 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 0)

Thanks and will do!  (fyi - that's just her "screen name")  :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:51:45 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 7)

Indeed, Hillary is the only candidate out there talking about REAL SOLUTIONS to REAL PROBLEMS. Shes' got the experience and tenacity to get the job done.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:11:26 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

I respectfully disagree - the narrative is that he tals less substance, but their stumps had a similar amount of policy content. The article I read is old,  but this meme discourages me.

I joined up with Obama only after he showed me that he knew policy.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:17:58 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 7)

The difference is he knows the chapter headlines.  Hillary wrote the book.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:30 AM EST
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Thank you! (2.00 / 3)

That sums it up perfectly!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:25:46 AM EST
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Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (1.00 / 3)

Little Engine that Could, or Bob the Builder's book.

Based on her gas tax holiday bullshit.


by DemocraticLuntz on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:07:51 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (2.00 / 7)

WTF is wrong with you?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:10:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Taking money away from building transit (1.25 / 4)

to actually give people an option to stop having to pay so much for gas to give to the oil company [who won't lower their prices] via a  gas holiday is the stupidest idea I've ever heard.

The windfall profit tax makes it not nearly as bad since it at least means the gov't still gets the money, but she's not spending that money on transit.


by DemocraticLuntz on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:14:49 AM EST
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Re: Taking money away from building transit (2.00 / 3)

false. obama campaign strategy is to deliberately misrepresent hillary's plan as the same as mccain's. hillary's plan changes the funding source for the highway fund, but doesn't affect the level of funding. but you knew that, of course. you're just following orders.


by campskunk on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:19:40 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (none / 0)

Not to read too deeply, but he sounds a bit disgusted with your candidate. The long fight has left scars.

I hope to talk about that whenever they let me diary.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:14:56 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (1.66 / 3)

It's little Luntz, Alegre.  Surely you remember him.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:27:31 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (2.00 / 0)

i remembr hm well. he was a big participant in Yoshimi's thread trying to find out real-life informaton about Hillary supporters. he posted his picture.


by campskunk on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:22:24 AM EST
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I do. (2.00 / 0)

One of the nastiest anti-Hillary posters at DKos.  Now that the Clinton supporters have left or have retreated into silence, he and a few others find it necessary to come over here and disrupt a positive, heartfelt diary.

If this is unity, count me out.


by Radiowalla on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:44:26 AM EST
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alegre, no need for that (none / 0)

don't lose your cool.  This is a campaign to be the President of the United States... if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.


by froggyman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:33:23 AM EST
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Re: Not the Economics 101 Book. Or the (2.00 / 3)

Poor little Luntz.  Bored without Hillary supporters to bash in your usual toxic habitat.  btw, it's way past your bedtime, kid.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:24:29 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 0)

I'm happy for alegre and her daughter... it sounds like they had a wonderful day.  

As to Tolstoy's comment, that's quite an amazing assessment of the two candidates.  I have a lot of respect for Hillary's accomplishments throughout her life.  She is truly a brilliant woman who deserves all the credit in the world for getting to where she is today.  Last summer I was all about her candidacy.  I remember thinking how great it would be if her and Barack were on the '08 ticket -- in any order.  However, for whatever reason, she stumbled early on, made some extraordinary missteps, and has clearly compromised her values to get this candidacy.  At her core, I still believe she's a good person.  But with some of the things she's done, and some of the positions she's taken during this campaign, it seems like she forgot what she was writing about and Barack has picked up with writing what's looking like a beautiful sequel.  Don't get me wrong, Hillary's book was great, but the story has changed and it goes on.  


by froggyman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:30:17 AM EST
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Respectfully.... (2.00 / 5)

I agree with John Edwards: "I want to see more substance under [Obama's] rhetoric."


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:23:56 AM EST
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Re: Respectfully.... (2.00 / 1)

I'll agree with that. I wish his speech last night had contained more nuts and bolts - the media were too busy declaring him to talk about that.

Trust me, there have been more than a few times where his campaign and I differed...


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:26:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I admit that most of the time I have heard (2.00 / 0)

Obama is by watching all of the debates.  In the debates, he ALWAYS wanted to answer after Hillary or John Edwards so he could copycat their answers or he could play word games.  I did not see a single incident of intellectual leadership on Obama's part.  At the time, I was more of an Edwards supporter than Clinton but I was convinced that Clinton won every one of the debates except for one which Edwards won.

Obama always came off looking like somebody who was trying to figure out what to say based on what everyone else said.  Another thing that supports that opinion is how frequently he wanted to wait to vote on anything in the Senate until after Hillary voted and on how frequently he voted present or later said that he had pressed the wrong button when he "accidentally" voted the wrong way.

Finally, even his speeches are copied from others.  I don't recall the name right now but I have seen the videos on You Tube in which this other black guy says phrases and makes points in his speeches and then, at later dates, Obama uses the precise same phrases making the same points in his speeches.  It is highly entertaining and very enlightening about Obama's substance.


by macmcd on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:01:45 AM EST
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Re: I admit that most of the time I have heard (none / 0)

"the other black guy" is Deval Patrick, Governor of Massachusetts.

It's incredible how smears come back full circle...we're now back at "plagiarism".


by amiches on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:47:04 AM EST
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Re: Obama & Patrick (2.00 / 0)

The truth is NOT a smear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6x1H08a Fc


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:16:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama & Patrick (1.00 / 0)

Okay, you think he's a black terrorist Muslim plagiarist right-wing Communist radical. We all get it. Who gives a shit?


by amiches on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:33:13 PM EST
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Re: Obama & Patrick (2.00 / 0)

Again, Obama followers attacking and not addressing he substance.  A lot like their candidate.


by anya109 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:10:40 PM EST
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Re: I admit that most of the time I have heard (none / 0)

Debates are not Obama's strength, as I think most supporters will state. I think there were some instances of intellectual leadership, like acting against Pakistan and talking with Osama, but I only remember those because of the ensuing controversies.

I think debate watching is highly colored by bias for everyone (including me), just like watching a sports match.

His switched votes were in Illinois, and very common, I think. Nothing to see their, except perhaps a lack of attention. I'd like to see soem backup for your assertion that he always waited for Clinton in the senate.

In regards to the "plagiarism," Patrick suggested the lines that Obama used, and Obama cited Patrick when he used them, but not always. That's an old controversy, but I think my memory is accurate.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:02:50 PM EST
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Congrats (2.00 / 3)

Glad you and your daughter had an opportunity to meet with her.


by optimusprime on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:07:20 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 4)

Thanks!  So are we ;o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:11:15 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 3)

Hillary is simply amazing.  Is it OK to say she looks beautiful? I don't know how she it.  Taylor put up this press conference, and she simply shines:

<iframe height="339" width="425" src="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/24505208#24505208" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:43:04 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 3)

Does embed work??
Press conference, try this link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/ 24505208#24505208
I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:46:08 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 2)

You are right. When she is rested... like all of us... she looks FABULOUS! I have always thought she was a pretty woman and that also goes for Chelsea!


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:06:11 AM EST
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Re: Congrats (2.00 / 2)

those msnbc videos don't embed, for some reason.

you can click on the link:

link


by campskunk on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:34:19 AM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

Yes, everyone donate to help continue this cause and this historic race. Obama is backed by every media outlet, but Hillary has the experience and back ground.

I myself can no longer donate, having reached the $2,300 plateau, but many of you still can. You won't regret it. Please donate to www.hillaryclinton.com


by Folkwolf101 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:02:21 PM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 7)

Thanks for another positive diary, from an Obama supporter. I respect her work ethic as well.


by Falsehood on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:56:06 PM EST

Ha! If anyone believes that, I have a bridge... (1.60 / 5)

I'd like to talk to you about.


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:45 AM EST
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I beg your pardon (2.00 / 4)

Just because some supporters on each side haven't been respectful doesn't mean that I am not capable of giving a complement. She and Bill have worked HARD for this, and I can respect her work ethic even as I disagree with her.

It is possible to disagree agreeably.

I respect John McCain's service, but will I support him? Nope.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:03:32 AM EST
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My goodness (1.60 / 5)

  Jesus Coyote, you've got a problem with everyone don't you? My goodness, it was a gracious comment and you still couldn't help but deride the person.

  How pathetic!!


by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:32 AM EST
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Zebra's don't change their stripes. (1.50 / 2)

You all sound so phony - and then I realize why.

BO can't win when we don't vote for him.  It's finally sinking in!

And it's a little late to try that little game, isn't it?


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:17:15 AM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (1.00 / 1)


   LOL...go ahead partner. Sit it out, or vote for McCain. Not our problem. Most of us want a Democratic administration, while you want to gripe that your candidate lost.

  Hey, it's a free country!!


by southernman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:18:52 AM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (none / 0)

This post is a very positive, pro Hillary diary entry. It doesn't in anyway bash Senator Obama.It is uplifting for Sen. Clinton's supporters after a really hard fought primary. A very kind thing. After reading the comment by Senator Obama's supporters I am mystified at the negativity. I can see that there is no safe harbor for Clinton supporters in the Obama general election campaign. It's not the Clinton folks who just can't let it go, nope. it seems to be the Team Obama who has the problem.

I'm thinking a walkout by the Clinton supporters in the national convention is a good thing.

Superdelegates take note.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:35:34 AM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (none / 0)

See Hillaryis44

Furthermore, the failure of Obama supporters to be nice isn't quite the crime that I see meriting a convention walkout.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:14:41 PM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (none / 0)

Falsehood.

go back to where you referenced this part of the comments

I posted something for you there.

hugs to you.

12 dogs.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:24:27 PM EST
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Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (2.00 / 2)

Alright Zebra -

Go back and look at my comments. I DEFY you attepts to paint my kindness as manipulative and cold-hearted. You are RIGHT, I am trying, and trying hard, to be the nicest Obama supporter I can be, because I've seen the damage as a MyDD and dKos lurker.

I am trying to show you and others that there are Obama supporters who can hopefully have your respect, if not agreement. Every time you reject that, you make it harder for a Democrat to win.

I've been on Conference Calls with both of them, and I'm fine with either as President. Stop assuming what I think and how I feel.

You only demean yourself.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:21:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (none / 0)

have given out for the past 5 months, it's hard to believe anything that sounds remotely "nice".

It's going to take a lot more than nice words to stop the post traumatic stress reaction that you all have inflicted on our candidate and us.


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:23:58 AM EST
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Re: I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (2.00 / 0)

Hopefully, I can post some nice diaries too, but they haven't given me that option yet....

But, I intend to use more than kindness. Bringing the netroots back together isn't going to happen fast, but I'll work for that, no matter how this turns out.

Also, I'd remind you that as an Obaam supporter, I've had a few names thrown my way as well. Neither camp is innocent - see Hillaryis44, though I've haven't checked them recently.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:29:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

If you don't like a site, don't go there. (2.00 / 1)

And remember this, too.  Alegre is one of several heros to legions of us Hillary supporters and she has also taken some incredibly stupid and personal hits from Obama supporters.

So be nice to her or, we will seek you out!  (That's a snark....at least the last part)


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:40:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If you don't like a site, don't go there. (2.00 / 0)

Random Question:

Who do you consider to be the heroes?


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:49:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Random answer (2.00 / 1)

Stick around and find out.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:13:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (2.00 / 3)

Hillary Clinton, Taylor Marsh, Susan and Larry from No Quarter, and the wonderful Anglachel (and her journal).

Also Uppity Woman, New Hampster, Teresa in Pa, LinFar, Chelsea Clinton, TexasDarlin, TucsonLynn, Litigator Mom, my husband, dhonig, Joeysky, Jeryln and BTD at Talk Left, Canadian gal, Bill Clinton, Dr.VioletSocks, texasdem, teese, soitgoes, dcupples, shainzona, flineo, gabrieledroz, ghost 2, grrlpatriot, izarradar, annnashane, atdnext, architect, katiebird, lisa sockett, owellwoman, pacificjohn, paganpower, t=riverbird, sclare, sluggo ....I know I've forgotten a lot of others.

But they have kept us sane.  Focused.

AND PUMPED.  RISE HILLARY, RISE!


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:14:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, and KNOWVOX! (2.00 / 1)


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:15:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, and KNOWVOX! (none / 0)

Thx, Coyote!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:18:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (1.00 / 0)

Hero's huh?  This site gets more entertaining by the day.

How many people on the above list exhibit the descriptions below:

The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.

That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.

Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.

The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.

There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.

An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.

The belief is, at the least, unlikely.

The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.

The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.

-----

A person with delusional disorder can be quite functional and does not tend to show any odd or bizarre behavior aside from these delusions.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:44:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (2.00 / 0)

Two things, RockvilleLiberal2.

One.

It is illegal to practice medicine without a license.

And two.

If you do have a license? You should know better. It is malpractice to diagnose a patient who you don't even know their real name, sex, any history.... You get the idea.

So from a person with a health care back ground? Leave the pop. psy. book on the library shelf and write a diary about your concerns. You'll feel better.

Besides this is a very needed boost for Sen. Clinton's supporters right now. They've been bashed enough. Let it go.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:50:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (none / 0)

I don't have a medical license, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:57:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (none / 0)

P

"I don't have a medical license, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night."

Well then RockvilleLiberal, as you don't have a medical license? Put down the Merck Manual and lighten up.

This is not a good way to support Obama and win a Clinton supporter's vote. :(

Don't diagnose.

Doesn't that Holiday Inn Express have a mini bar? Might be worth the extra expense to have a beer and watch a baseball game on cable.

Remember what the real world looks like. In other words? Lighten up! Sheesh.

Now.

I don't know you. So I'll take my own advice and not assume, but, really it's rude to be so negative on such a nice thread. No matter who you vote for.

Bad diary manners.

Shame.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:35:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I thought his/her diagnosis was pretty light (none / 0)

I think someone is too serious to get teh humor, and it's not RL.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:31:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I thought his/her diagnosis was pretty light (none / 0)

Humor?

LOL

And I thought I WAS being funny. Guess ya missed it? Sheesh. I'll go for belly laughs next time.

Lighten up!


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:18:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You made me laugh (none / 0)

is "lighten up" your catch phrase?


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:38:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You made me laugh (none / 0)

"is "lighten up" your catch phrase?" bookish

No it's my mantra. Helps me remember not to be a jerk. :D

I'd be glad to chat with you if you're trying to start a conversation.
Glad to have a chat.

So, bookish and Rockville too,

I was on my way out for the "early bird special" :D. But I can take a minute.

How are you? What do you think is the future of women in presidential elections in the future?  What is your real life involvement in politics?

 


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:49:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, you know (none / 0)

roaming the blags, stirring up trouble. Nice weather we're having, dontcha think?

That early bird special, what's that come with? I love me some gravy.

Whoa, that wasn't much of a segue there, partner. Women in elections? I think we'll have one pretty soon, probably not this go-round, though. This one just couldn't quite shake her history.

Me and politics have a love/hate relationship, and I don't really know you well enough to get that personal just yet, so we'll save that topic for a cup of joe down the line.

All best.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:19:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Gravy? You get gravy? (none / 0)

LOL

Tonight? Probably pasta.

You know if we had a thread where folks could stop defending each others political choices and start talking about--oh I dunno--

anything but politics? Like at a mixer.

We might all stop fussing.

The question about women's right to vote is a really interesting one.
If you think about it.

Now then.
That "earlybird" pasta's not gonna cook it's self.

Regards and please stop stirring up trouble.

Life is complicated enough as it is.

12dogs


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:32:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (none / 0)

<sigh> google Delusional - 1st response is wiki where you will see I took it word for word.  Relax, teh interwebs are seriouz bizness


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:30:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Alegre, campskunk, riverdaughter, (none / 0)

LOL Rockville

How was the beer and the ball game?

Serious moment.

I have seen folks who don't have a clue start spouting off about someone's mental health. They do it to  discredit the other person's arguement.

Are you familiar with the word?

discredit-(v.) To cause to be doubted or distrusted.

The person doing the "diagnosing" has no clue who they are talking to or their situation. Now they
may think this is great funny but to the other person it might not be. Maybe like kicking the other person in the shins not funny.

This is a gentle reminder.

Oh and if I was going to diagnose someone's mental state? The last place I would look would be WIKIPEDIA. <<Now that is funny.</p>

Sorry to be so serious but this is such a sweet diary entry. Kind of nice. Which is pleasant to see in such doozy of an election. If the Democrats are going to go forward they're going to have to do alot of getting over it.

That's not easy. Takes time and effort. Believe it or not? A post like this one is an excellent start. Imagine if you worked your butt off for your candidate while being told the entire time that he should quit. You'd be glad for alittle happy! Which this diary entry is--happy!

If Obama is to win the general election, he is going to need these folks vote. :)

So, I'll ask you the same question that I asked someone else.

If someone asked for your vote while they were spitting on your shoes would you vote for them?

LOL,Rock, it's a healing thing.:D

Off the serious.

Now about that beer and a ball game.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:04:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (2.00 / 3)

Ok - let's take it down a few notches gang.  Ok? :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:13:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Peace!! (2.00 / 2)


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:19:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (1.00 / 0)

'WTF is wrong with you?"

Yeah, because you're the voice of reason.  You and Talyor Marsh.  Pfft sanity.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:47:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I apologize - but after the crap Obamaphiles (none / 0)

What are you trying to accomplish? What do you think your comment will achieve besides making you feel better?


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:15:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (2.00 / 0)

Okay.  I'll give you the  benefit of the doubt and admit that there is at least one Obama supporter who hasn't called Senator Clinton every vile name ever concieved, accused her of every evil since Eve and taken every opportunity to to belittle her lifelong dedication to public service.

Have a virtual gold star.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:34:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Zebra's don't change their stripes. (none / 0)

Sweet :D

I think you forgot about waxing eloquent on his leg tingling speeches. Matthews was rightly harassed for that quote last night.

His profile in whatever magazine that was is fascinating. The New Yorker?


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:37:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

agreed, and (2.00 / 2)

...I've got property off the coast of florida...

seriously, it has been rather curious to get nice comments from some of the most vocal obama supporters, only to be slammed in another diary.  It does make it tough to believe!


by 4justice on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:16:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

(Pssstt.. they're only trying to (2.00 / 2)

hoodwink and bamboozle us - they think we're stupid and if they say something nice we will roll over and vote for BO.)

(Psssttt...it's not going to happen!)

Glad you noticed that they say something "nice" and then turn around and play their nasty little games.


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:19:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

shhh (2.00 / 0)

don't tell 'em we know!!


by 4justice on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:24:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

(We won't...but we'll have a good laugh (2.00 / 1)

about it, won't we?"


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:25:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

yes we can! (2.00 / 0)


by 4justice on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:26:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (Pssstt.. they're only trying to (1.00 / 1)

If we could be hoodwinked and bamboozled we'd be Obama supporters.  


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:32:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: (Pssstt.. they're only trying to (none / 0)

Begging your pardon, but I have met Clinton supporters who have been most definably hoodwinked, but not by Senator Clinton.

They think Obama is a Muslim who wouldn't pledge to the flag. No one has a monopoly on ignorance.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:17:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: agreed, and (2.00 / 0)

If I've slammed someone, or you, please let me know. It is not my intention.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: agreed, and (2.00 / 1)

You are trying to have a reasonable dialog with people that have pledged to never under any circumstances vote for Obama, and who claim as their heroes posters from the thinly veiled hate site NoQuarter.

Good luck with that.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:43:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: agreed, and (2.00 / 0)

Sorry, but that thinly veiled hate site is the Great Orange Satan. And it's not so thinly veiled.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I love the Great Orange Satan (none / 0)

Mmmm. Delicious.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:35:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: agreed, and (none / 0)

The he "Great Orange Satan" has accomplished some good as well. Ergo, I request that you only call it "The Great Orange Half-Satan".

:D


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:18:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: agreed, and (none / 0)

Obama wants to the President of Iran (with propoer preparation.)

If he can do that, I can dialog with these people, especially since I don't agree with you on how impossible talking to them is. I respect the time and energy they have put into this, and I want to make is possible to channel that energy to Obama should he be the nominee.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:05:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: agreed, and (none / 0)

Honestly, I'm not at all sure I understand why for Clinton supporters to vote for Obama, they seem to need to have Obama supporters like or atleast respect Clinton.

Let's say that I think Clinton to be the reincarnation of Darth Vader. If I think it and if I believe she'd be catastrophic as a president, it becomes my moral obligation to try to dissuade people from voting for her.

Either way, why should my judgement of Clinton affect your judgement or potential vote for Obama?


by Aris Katsaris on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:59:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: agreed, and (2.00 / 0)

It doesn't.  Why would you think it would?


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:34:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: agreed, and (none / 0)

The idea/goal here, I think, is that people can find common ground to agree upon. Sharing interests/ideas helps people to work together.

Also, its only through dialog that opinions change. We can't only talk to those we agree with. Your opinion doesn't matter so much in and of itself, but your REASONS matter a lot.

Does that make sense?


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:21:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Actually... (2.00 / 4)

Hey coyote - falsehood was actually pretty decent in the diary I posted on this two days ago.  Some folks are able to be cool at times and for that I give him / her credit.  Peace :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:18:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Glad he was with you Alegre...not so (2.00 / 2)

with others of us.


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:19:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Actually... (2.00 / 1)

Thank you Alegre-

I've made the same effort in all my comments, or at least I hope so. (Feel free to check, all) I've just had the timing to be on MyDD when you've posted your last two entries.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:23:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

Mojo for ridiculous unwarranted attack on a positive comment.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:03:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 8)

I've never seen anyone who works as hard as this lady does.  I've lived in or near DC for (counting) 24 years now and I don't think I've ever seen someone work as hard as Hillary.

Absolutely amazing.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

I recall how Obama chose to base his early Senate work ethic off of her - he chose her and her methods to work off of.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:12:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

Voting "present," which he did more than 100 times, is NOT emulating Hillary's work ethic. Dodging the vote on Kyl-Lieberman is NOT emulating HRC's work ethic. Not holding a single hearing on the Subcommittee on European Affairs, since he took over as its chairman last January, is NOT emulating HRC's work ethic.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:33:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

Frankly I'm underwhelmed with Obama "work" ethic.  For eight years he only worked part-time as a State legislator.  Good thing he had a wife who had a real full time job.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:40:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

On this one, I can say with confidence that your assertion isn't true. He was a Senior Lecturer teaching at the U of Chicago. Remember "Professor-gate?"


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:47:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

Stop with the bs.  At every university and college, people use the generic "professor" to refer to people who teach there.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:21:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

I was trying to get people to remember his other job be referencing the controversy. Senior Lecturer is the official title, though Professor is just as acceptable.

I wasn't trying to propagate that he wasn't a professor - he clearly was.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:22:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (1.00 / 0)

Such a bad thread to play defense. Sigh....

A: The present votes were in Illinois (I think you know that, but your comment might imply otherwise). They are an acceptable legislative strategy for voting against a bill (they have that effect) while supporting its intention. For example, requiring teachers to instill discipline in their students. Good cause, stupid bill.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl es/2008/01/24/fact_check_obamas_present_ votes/
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/200 7/12/20/fact_check_present_votes_are_a.p hp

B: Dodging any vote isn't the bad part. He waited until the Senate voted to declare how he would have, and I don't agree with that. I'm not sure abotu all the foreign policy, but an expert I spoke to thought the vote was a definite step toward armed conflict. That said, I still don't like what he did.

C: Do you have a subject to hold hearings on? If no bills are proposed in the area, its hard to hold hearings. Furthermore, he has been running for office ever since the Dems got a majority, so he hasn't had a lot of free time, and he has chaired general foreign relations committee meetings.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:45:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

Obama's actions were indefensible.

A. Illinois NOW wasn't impressed with his "present" votes, and stated it was NOT an acceptable legislative strategy:

To be clear, voting "present" on those bills was a strategy that IL NOW did not support. At that time, we made it clear to the legislators that we disagreed with the strategy. We wanted legislators to take a stand against the harmful anti-choice bills being brought to the floor of the Illinois State Senate. Voting "present" does not demonstrate leadership and does not send the clarion signal that one is unwavering in their support of a woman's right to choose. IL NOW knew that those bills were unacceptable to women.... [Obama] has not taken leadership on the issue at the same level that Hillary has.

www.illinoisnow.org

B. On "Meet the Press," Obama criticized Clinton's vote on Kyl Lieberman, but failed to show up for the vote. Not only did he dodge the vote, but he had the audacity to criticize others who took a stand he failed to take.

C. If Obama was too busy "running for office," he should have declined taking a committee chairmanship just for show. He took no leadership, and did nothing.
 


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:09:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

NOW might not be impressed but Obama worked out the strategy with Planned Parenthood, not with NOW.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:45:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's waffle vote (none / 0)

Sorry, but NOW wins this argument:

Voting "present" does not demonstrate leadership and does not send the clarion signal that one is unwavering in their support of a woman's right to choose.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:02:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's waffle vote (none / 0)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs

I await your thoughts on this.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:26:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's waffle vote (none / 0)

Our records indicate that Ms. Brett has not been a member of NOW since 1999. Ms. Brett was not involved with either Chicago NOW or IL NOW when we were fighting to stop these bills. Ms. Brett is misleading people and using her very old affiliation with NOW to help distance Senator Obama from his vote of present on key bills and as a platform for her personal criticism of Senator Hillary Clinton. --IllinoisNOW


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 04:45:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's waffle vote (none / 0)

1999 is still years into his state senate career. Howard never said this was part of a strategy on key bills. She said he was unquestionably pro-choice, just as Planned Parenthood did.

I'm really confused as to why you feel you know more about this vote then the players involved.


by Falsehood on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:40:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

On your point A.  you do know that the legislative strategy was devised by Planned Parenthood who gave Obama a 100% rating (I know you do, but you ignore it because it doesn't back up your argument).

Planned Parenthood and Illinois Now were not in agreement on how to proceed on these votes.  But thanks to Senator Obama and Planned Parenthood some other democrats were also able to vote present instead of no (they were in heavy republican districts) which in turn made it possible for the IL senate to come under Democratic control.  Once the IL senate was controlled by Democrats they (led by Obama) made certain no other legislation to limit a woman's right to chose was jeopardized.  In fact no other such legislation made it out of the comittee that Obama chaired.

In this respect, I think that any fair minded individual would come to the conclusion that the heavily antagonistic measure of voting present present and not jeopardizing democratic seats payed off with the desired effect.

I am sorry you, and Illinois Now were/are unable to see these simple facts, however the women of IL do remember as I am sure Planned Parenthood remembers.

Perhaps you should go check it out if want to see both sides of the story.

http://ppaurora.blogspot.com/2008/02/set ting-record-straight-illinois-nows.html

http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/


by Why Not on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:02:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 1)

LOL it is late and I am running sentences together.. forgive my lack of clarity above.

There was no new legistlation that came out of Obama's comittee that jeopardized a woman's right to chose.

I know I'll have people on me for that one despite what I meant to say.


by Why Not on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:06:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

Not true, and you know it.

[Obama supporters] assert that the strategy to vote "present" was devised to give political cover to legislators in conservative districts. State Senator Barack Obama did not represent a conservative district and he could have voted "no" with little negative consequence in his district.

Spin, spin, spin all you want.

Voting "present" is an act of cowardice, especially on an issue of paramount importance to the reproductive rights of women.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:10:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

Uhm I'm not asking this to be a smart aleck or a jerk or a pot stirrer.

I'm asking to figure a parrallel.

Sen. Obama opted out of a "yes" or "no" vote  and instead voted "present".

Does that parallel.

A Clinton voter who doesn't vote "yes" or "no" for Obama but instead estentially votes "present" by not voting in the general election.

Note this doesn't speak to my personal belief concerning a possible walk out at national convention.

I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk here. I can pose the question in my diary for you  to answer if this is too off topic for this diary entry.

This is such a delightful diary entry I didn't want to go off topic. Sorry to diary author if I did.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:52:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

There is a major difference here.  You are a voter, you vote present (not vote or third party) that is your choice but you only have yourself to answer to in the morining.

These legislators that were afforded the possibility to vote present (on votes designed by republicans so that they would have to answer to them in their re-election campaigns) had to answer to their constituents many of whom might have voted against them if they were towing the pro-choice line.


by Why Not on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:23:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

Not quite the same, because a present vote is a NO vote in terms of getting legislation passed. It is not an abstention.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:39:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

I never said he was in a conservative district..  What I said is that he afforded other legislators in conservative districts the ability to vote present instead of no.

Please do not put words in my mouth.  This is not spin, these are the facts.  If you are against the legislative stragey that worked fine, but that was the strategy.


by Why Not on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:21:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

First, voting Present has the same effect as a no vote. It is not the same thing as abstaining, though this point does not dilute your argument.

You are free to see it as an act of cowardice; however, the former President of Chicago NOW endorsed him, and the letter from PP makes it clear why they did that.

If you think it as bad strategy, you are free to say so. The fact is that it worked, and Obama is ON RECORD as a strong support for Choice. You can cite this one example without context, but you will be misleading in doing so.

You do have some rational basis for your opinion. I think there is much more of a basis for the statements from PP. If this reflected cowardice, then WHY ISN'T HE BEING CONDEMNED BY THE MAJOR PLAYERS FOR IT?

I don't think you can answer that question.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:37:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm still searching (none / 0)

for that "fair minded individual" around here. Let me know if you come across one.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:38:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

A: http://youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs

The idea was that a block of Seantors would vote present together, those from liberal and conservative districts.

B: Just as others can criticize Obama for failing to vote (like us), Obama can criticize others for their stance. It is perfectly acceptable to criticize others, so long as he is willing to take the heat for not voting.

C: I think that's fair - though I think you'll be more effective with an argument like this one: http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/200 7/12/29/obama_europe/


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:32:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (2.00 / 0)

You'll learn which posters to just write off.    You can give them the benefit of the doubt and try to see things from their point of view, you can try to bring facts to the table to counter attacks you know are false, but none of it will matter.  They will never repay a good faith effort to be civil in kind.  You really can't reach everyone.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:48:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

"They will never repay a good faith effort to be civil in kind.  You really can't reach everyone."

Trouble with that is that there has been a tremendous amount to "writing off" ANYONE who is a Sen. Clinton supporter in this primary. Just breathe being a supporter of Clinton not Obama on some diaries and WOW the anger. Seems like a bit of old style manners, you know " a good faith effort to be civil and kind" would be a blessing at this point. Wouldn't matter if the recipient was going to be nice to you or not.  

This diary entry is a case in point.

Positive diary devolves into political fuss.

Where's the love???


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:02:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's "work ethic" (none / 0)

The fuss began, sadly, when my positive comment was derided as a lie.

I am doing my best to be respectful and accommodating, because I've found its very effective in undercutting those who are not respectful.

It's like how Obama wants to work with insurance companies, which is an old community organizing trick. If you approach a negotiating table in good faith, and the other side doesn't respond in kind, then it will be obvious for everyone to see (since these sessions will be public.)


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:42:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 5)

Fantastic news, Alegre! Thanks for sharing the details about such a wonderful event!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:58:26 PM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 4)

My pleasure.  My mom rang me just after we got home tonight - she couldn't wait to hear about it.  I asked her a few weeks ago if she was interested in coming out for a visit and to go to this (she lives in Michigan) but they have so much going on right now it just wasn't a good time.  BUt she was there in spirit!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:07:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 1)

Hopefully her vote, and the votes of your entire family in the primary election, will finally COUNT. We want a fighter in the White House!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:14:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

Damn straight!  My mom would be the first to agree with you on that one!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:19:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 4)

I've been anxiously awaiting to hear how it went.  Thank you for sharing......now I'll read.  I was just so excited to see the diary up. :)


by LindaSFNM on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:58:32 PM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

Such a great story.  I'm so happy everything worked out and your daughter made you even more proud (if possible, huh? :D).  It sounds like a great event.  Can't wait to see the pics.


by LindaSFNM on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

LOL!  You and my own mom Linda ;o)  I just noted about that my mom / grandma called shortly after we got home tonight to get a full report.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:09:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

Great.  Another testament of the excitement you bring us. :)


by LindaSFNM on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:46:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I am SO jealous! (1.50 / 6)

But thrilled for you and your daughter.

Go.  Hillary.  Go.

And, NObama bumper stickers are here:  http://www.nobama.com/


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:04 AM EST

Re: I am SO jealous! (1.50 / 4)

Will you be working to put a Democrat in the WH?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:03:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am SO jealous! (2.00 / 2)

Why start now?


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:05:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Anybody But Obama (1.00 / 5)

I can't believe that I am taking off my Anybody But Bush bumper sticker and replacing it with Anybody But Obama.

Now Hillary - for sure.  And if not Hillary then Nader (he's a Dem, too).


by CoyoteCreek on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:14:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

so...you'd prefer McCain? (2.00 / 5)

you must like torture, war with Iran, tax cuts for the rich, and every single other Bush policy.

What is it with this?  On both sides?  Between McCain and Hillary, there's absolutely no contest.  Same thing between McCain and Obama.


by hekebolos on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:33:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so...you'd prefer McCain? (none / 0)

Actually I don't think that you guys have quite got what is going on.

This post is a very positive post. It's a boost for folks who have been strong supporters of Sen. Clinton. Good heavens the ONLY bashing here is by the supporters of Sen. Obama.  

The mystery to me is WHY?

Sen. Obama NEEDS Sen. Clinton's supporters to win the General Election. When Sen. Clinton's supporters say they will sit out the election they are trying to clue Sen. Obama's supporters into something important.

What they are saying is that BEING BASHED by Sen. Obama supporters, ISN'T GOING TO GAIN THEIR SUPPORT.

If they are going to continue being treated in this hostile manner by Sen Obama's folks, frankly, they'd rather vote for nothing than vote for Sen. Obama.

It ain't been pretty to watch ya'll. Not pretty at all. Especially not pretty at the national convention. Sigh.

Ya'll don't recon' any SUPER DELEGATES are reading this thread right now and shakin' their heads over all this fussin' do ya'?
:(


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:23:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so...you'd prefer McCain? (none / 0)

You can help me out by jumping on Clinton supporters who aren't helpful either. Shall we unite for kindness? :D


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:44:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so...you'd prefer McCain? (none / 0)

Hello Falsehood,

You're probably not going to like this but--

This is a Clinton support's thread. They've made no bones about that. So it shouldn't be a surprise to find other Clinton supporters there supporting Clinton. :o Nothing about this diary entry was in anyway anti-Obama. Nothing. It's just a happy mom daughter thing right here before Mother's Day.

The fussing didn't start until the comment section where someone who wasn't for Sen. Clinton made a negative comment about Sen. Clinton.

It just started going down hill from there.

It's kind of like crashing someones party and then starting a fuss with someone in their living room.

I don't think you would do this but there are folks on the internet who would cause trouble in a heart beat just to get their agendas out there in the world.

Difficult to believe isn't it.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:36:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so...you'd prefer McCain? (none / 0)

It's a minor point, but you aren't correct about where the negativity started. See:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/7/23 5444/7593/5#5
And
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/7/23 5444/7593?pid=2#7

Those were posted at 12:00:04 and 12:00:45, when 5 other comments had been posted. This comment is downthread  of the first link.

It's really not that important, but I don't think there can be any turnaround until we start self-policing.

There are "folks on the internet who would cause trouble in a heart beat just to get their agendas out there in the world," and they are in both of our camps.

For the record, Coyotecreek apologized here:
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/7/23 5444/7593?pid=58#66


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:54:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: so...you'd prefer McCain? (none / 0)

LOl We must think alike.

I went back to try to figure out just where the fuss started.

Saw your post about repectfully disagreeing. Being polite, at least to me, doesn't mean not saying what you think.

I don't think that "respectfully disagreeing" is starting a brawl. Not even close.

I'm not sure about this next comment.
What do you think?

"Little Engine that Could, or Bob the Builder's book.

Based on her gas tax holiday bullshit.

by DemocraticLuntz on Thu May 08 "

From this comment, things start getting testy real quick. Maybe previous bad blood between the posters?

Ah well, I'm not the moderator police and I have my smart mouth days so I'm not one to judge anyone.

But I did go back and read your comment. I don't think you started a fuss by what you said.

(((hugs to you)))

I'm an old fart. The unimportant demographic in youth culture from what I've been told. I like word play and a spirited discussion but not the mean spirited or bitter. If you see my comments and it sounds mean? Tell me. I'll apologize because that's not what I intend with my words. Since you don't know me in person and since this is the internet you might not know that. Plus I have a DRY sense of humor. Get's me unintentionally in trouble sometimes.

Good to meet you Falsehood. <<In print that looks funny.LOL</p>

12 dogs


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:20:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nader? (none / 0)

As it seems relevant... Darth Vader against Nader: http://www.the-vs-vs.com/index.php?p=7


by Aris Katsaris on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:07:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Anybody But Obama (none / 0)

http://www.writeinhillaryclinton.com


On to the Convention Floor!
by oh puhleeze on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:41:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Anybody But Obama (none / 0)

Unhelpful, and misleading. MI and FL will be seated. The only "disenfranchisement" will be a lack of role in choosing the nominee, like Montana.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:44:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

that's pointless and offensive (2.00 / 2)

because at this point, Obama is very likely the nominee, and unless you live in one of the few remaining primary states, buying that and putting it on your car will either be a) pointless, or b) an advertisement for John McCain.


by hekebolos on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: that's pointless and offensive (2.00 / 4)

Erm... he hasn't won this nomination yet.

And if I have anything to say about it (and I do at times) he won't ;o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:22:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

all that is true (2.00 / 2)

but you didn't address what I said: namely, that anti-obama paraphernalia is useless unless you get it by the end of may and live in MT, WV, KY, OR, or PR, and, since Obama will likely be the nominee, chances are greater than not that any anti-obama paraphernalia will just become propaganda for John McCain.

Responding to that with "Obama hasn't won yet and I'm doing my best to make sure he doesn't" isn't germane to my point.


by hekebolos on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:29:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: all that is true (2.00 / 2)

Why the hell should I?  You turn up here time and time again to piss all over positive diaries like this and you expect an answer to whatever drivil you dish up?

Cop on willya?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:15:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Drivel (1.50 / 2)

is spelled with an e.

And if you're not going to reply substantively, don't reply at all.  I don't "piss on" your positive diaries.  I sharply critiqued the tone of your increasingly negative diaries when you started writing them, but you seem to have stopped that recently.

In the same way, I sharply critiqued the hawking of anti-Obama gear using nothing but logic and facts.  If you cannot handle logic and facts and need an echo chamber, then just say so.

But don't act indignant when I call you out on completely failing to respond to the substance of my point, which you yourself have admitted having done with the "why should I" comment.


by hekebolos on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:21:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Drivel (none / 0)

hekebolos

If you asked a Clinton supporters for their vote and at the same time spit on their shoes do you think you'd get their vote?

Sen. Obama is going to need the vote of Sen. Clinton supporters in order to win the general election.

Think about it.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:07:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Drivel (none / 0)

hekebolos

If you asked a Clinton supporter for their vote and at the same time spit on their shoes do you think you'd get their vote?

Sen. Obama is going to need the vote of Sen. Clinton supporters in order to win the general election.

Think about it.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:08:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I understand that completely (none / 0)

this thread started because someone was hawking anti-obama gear, which, like I said, is pointless under all circumstances.


by hekebolos on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:52:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: all that is true (none / 0)

Now lemmie think,

If someone came asking you for your vote and at the same time spit on your shoe?

Hmmm.

Would you vote for them?


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:27:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Even if I think you're wildly off base (none / 0)

I appreciate your dedication and energy, and look forward to their utilization for the nominee of the Democratic party in November.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:51:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am SO jealous! (2.00 / 1)

Clinton didn't go negative last night - I would hope that you would follow her lead, just as I've followed the lead of Obama.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:05:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am SO jealous! (none / 0)

Nomination hasn't been made yet.

All you've got is folks wanting two things.

One.

Well the Obama supporters have been screaming for Clinton to quit since Super Tuesday.

The "Call to Quit" comes from Obama folks after every state primary vote. At this point it sound more like a "Crying Uncle- I can't take it anymore" than a "Call to reality".

But that's me.

Two.

You've got the Clinton folks saying,"Hey, you treat us nice or we're gonna take it to the national convention and stage a walk out."

Wonder what the undeclared Super Delegates are thinking about now?

Obama can't win the national election without the vote from Team Clinton.

And yet Team Obama continues to harras.

WHY?


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:33:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am SO jealous! (none / 0)

Well, not to state the obvious, but because some people have viewed the nomination process as an inevitable path to Obama victory, they view each vote as a step toward what they see as obvious, so they renew their calls.

Also, I think these people are strictly partisan, and they'll ask for a drop out whenever they can.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:58:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am SO jealous! (2.00 / 3)

Ahh thanks a million CoyoteCreek :o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:20:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I am SO jealous! (2.00 / 2)

I can't imagine ever, ever putting an anti-Democratic-candidate sticker on my car.  It is an ad that reaches so many people.  Pro my candidate in the priamry, yes, I have an Obama sticker now, but would never ever put something demeaning or against Hillary on my bumper.  It sounds trivial but you reach a lot of people with those things and I can't believe the level of hate for him is so strong that even if one was not voting for him, they would want to basically run an ad against the party's nominee on their vehicle.  


by mady on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:50:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 4)

it IS all about the children for hillary. all through the years, since she first got out law school, she has worked on children's issues, and we are reaping the benefits of all the programs she has helped create and implement.


by campskunk on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:00:30 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

She actually took an extra year at Yale to study early childhood development.  She worked with abused kids during that time and I heard Bill on cspan one time talking about her time doing that work.  They'd gotten together for one of their first (of many) dinners together and she was visably shaken by what she'd seen that day.  Part of her studies (by choice) meant working with kids who were abused or neglected and it wasn't always easy to see the things cruelty and neglect brought to younch children.

He said she stuck with that work for a year because she believed in what she was doing.  She was making a difference and hasn't stopped making a difference yet.  THirty-five years later.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:26:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 3)

thanks alegre!


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:01:29 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 1)

My pleasure! :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:16:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (1.25 / 4)

She does work hard.  I wish her well as a Democratic leader in NY or the Senate.  I'm sure you're well aware that if FL and MI were seated as she wishes, she's need 75% of the pledged delegates to win the pledged delegates.  There's no way that will happen.   And her on-line fund raising has declined quite a bit in the last few days.

So let me thank you for your spirit and send you my hope that we can work together to put a Democrat in the White House.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/pol itics/08campaign.html?hp


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:02:32 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 1)

I posted the link as a source for what I wrote on on-line fundraising.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Wet blanket strikes again! (2.00 / 4)

What a gracious guest you are! You know when Hillary's popularity spiked? When people started asking her to drop out! Oh!


by catfish1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wet blanket strikes again! (2.00 / 1)

I think the biggest spike was actually after NH, when Obama had a neat coronation after a single contest, which was about as helpful as Clinton's early inevitability.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:09:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wet blanket strikes again! (2.00 / 1)

I appreciate Clinton's work over the years and certainly her work ethic. And I am not asking her to drop out. But I would hope that Clinton supporters, while admiring HRC greatly, would take a moment to step back to consider the actual state of the race.  I most certainly did not mean to offend and I took care to write my comment in a respectful way.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:10:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: State of the Race (2.00 / 2)

We have considered the actual state of this race, which is why we're as tenacious as our candidate. We need a fighter in the White House, and Hillary delivers.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:19:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: State of the Race (none / 0)

As I continue to read through the diary entries I keep thinking to myself, "Why in hades does Team Obama continue to harras Sen. Clinton supporters if they think this election is "in the bag"?
If anyone is making the Democratic Party look bad it's the folks who are STILL harrasing Sen. Clinton supporters after they say she has lost. That my dears is called "scorched or salted earth" policy.

Salted earth policy or warfare. After winning a battle the conquering force proceeds to pour salt on the farmland so that it won't grow anything. Thus leaving the conquered with no way to grow food for their children to eat. The conquered are not just conquered they are starved. Not the best at history but I think that's what the Romans did.

Not very nice.

So is this the way The Obama Democrats treat The Clinton Democrats?

Scorched Earth?

Positive Account of a Positive Fundraiser.

Maybe Clinton supporters are correct and they have been unfairly treated during this primary season.

Hmm.

Sure beginning to look this way.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:03:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

pledged delegates are not the only delegates (2.00 / 2)

super delegates matter too and are there for a reason. They are there so in case the voters pick another McGovern, they can stop it. The are supposed to vote their conscience, or they'd have no purpose if it were to mimic the voting. Obama will be McGovern redux. Wright wasn't gonna hurt him in a Dem primary as much as it will in the general with white swing voters.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:08:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: pledged delegates are not the only delegates (2.00 / 0)

That's their call to make, but I really don't see that happening, for various reasons. Mrsuper.org miht give some context.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:32:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: pledged delegates are not the only delegates (none / 0)

Then why when these Super Delegates are watching does Team Obama continue to harras Sen. Clinton supporters.

There was no anti Obama call in the diary entry. It was a lovely report of a Mom sharing something important with her daughter. Right here before Mother's Day. She was tickled to get a chance to meet Sen. Clinton and for her daughter to share it with her. At age 7, her daughter will remember this. Perhaps her daughter will go politics because of this experience.

And it was nice to share with other Sen. Clinton supporters. What in heaven's name is anti Obama in that?

Nothing.

Lighten up ya'll. You did hear Sen. Obama ask for ya'll to be nice. Even if you didn't want to there's a really good reason to do so. You need Sen. Clinton's supporters vote in the national election. That's not going to happen if folks keep treating them like this.

Just a thought.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:11:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No pic? Great story Alegre (2.00 / 4)

Her unflappableness is just so inspiring. I adore her.


by catfish1 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:35 AM EST

Re: No pic? Great story Alegre (2.00 / 1)

Same here Catfish1 - she's fabulous!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:17:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the diary.  An interesting and and inspiring read.  Kudos for getting your daughter in the political process an an early age as well.


by mefck on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:04:50 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

She's already a tree-hugger - literally! :)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:18:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 7)

We're going to an event with Hillary tomorrow night here in Oregon.  Not as up close and personal as yours, but the kids and I are excited about it nonetheless. My kids are 16 and 18, and this is the 18-year-old's first time to vote!


by Susan in Oregon on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:05:18 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

Prepare to be impressed. She is dazzling.

 Living in North Carolina I got to see both Clintons last week and like Alegre I attended a fundraiser and got to meet Hillary up close and have a picture taken with her.  Couldn't get close enough to Bill for a picture but he did autograph my copy of his book.

Wonderful you're going with your kids!


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:06:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh what fun! (2.00 / 3)

It sounds wonderful!  So glad for you and  your daughter.  When you think about it, what are we doing, if it is not something for our children?


by 4justice on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:06:46 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 3)

I hope you thanked her for her husbands greatness, duty to country, and honour he brought America from 1993-2001, and the same for Hillary, and how she has represented the great state of New York with honour since 2001.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:09:23 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

I'd love to hear more about the event. How did people get to go to it? Was it based on having worked for the campaign?  Belonging to an organization? Donating a certain amount?  And what else happened there?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:12:52 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

I believe it was for high-level HillRaisers.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:16:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

What qualifies one as such?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:19:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillraisers (none / 0)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HillRaisers


by mady on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:32:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillraisers (none / 0)

I put that there simply for the definition.  There is some negative content, for which I apologize, I did not see it on first read.


by mady on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:33:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 1)

I think Alegre said she had raised near 20,000 online.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:32:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That's really impressive, too. (none / 0)

I'm sure she'll work equally hard for the Democratic nominee in the fall.


by bookish on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:59:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Cool diary! (2.00 / 1)

It's sweet that you took your daughter too. Was this at the Omni Shoreham? Awesome hotel. Cleanest rooms ever and best fruit plate.


_____________
changiness
by lizardbox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:15:30 AM EST

Great diary! (2.00 / 1)

as always!

But what about the B.S in the MSM last night that Hillary was canceling all her events today?!  They will say anything to throw this election.


by izarradar on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:21:11 AM EST

not events (none / 0)

public appearances.  This fundraiser wasn't a public appearance, it was a private event.


by hekebolos on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:23:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

She appeared (2.00 / 0)

and it was in public.  What difference does it make if it was a private event or not??? The commentators last night simply lied---They were giving the impression that Clinton was about to step out of the race.  It's not an accident that the MSM worded it in such a way.  


by izarradar on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:19:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Great diary! (2.00 / 0)

Yeah - I heard than but then I turned on TV  and there she was at a rally in West Virginia, looking great and giving a rousing issue oriented speech.  After that she took questions from the press.  This was mid-day.  The woman is a master multi-tasker.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:11:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 0)


by izarradar on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:21:24 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 1)

Great Job Alegre!!  I have 2 friends that flew there from Cali to see her.

They mentioned that Terry said that they are ready to "fight" (lawsuit?) with the DNC over FL/MI???

They also said that Terry said that even as of last night she was ahead by 70,000 in the popular vote??
(not sure of the calculation since I haven't seen any numbers anywhere suggesting that)....

Just wondered what your take on this was in terms of the "spin" coming from her camp? Takin' it to the Convention, etc??

Thanks for the diary....


by nikkid on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:31:58 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

"Fight" means the committee meeting on May 31, probably.


by Falsehood on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:33:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 2)

That's great -- this was really nice to read. She's got a mother's day fundraiser on Saturday here in NY -- I'm thinking of going, but I think it's going to be a bit of a mob scene -- so I'm not sure if I'm going to go, or just send a donation directly.


Bitch is the New Black
by Iphie on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:36:21 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 0)

Go.  You won't regret it.


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:17:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (2.00 / 1)

What a wonderful diary and JUST what I needed tonight. I will donate in the a.m. with you and your daughter in mind! Thank you for the account of your wonderful night!


by DemMom on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:48:35 AM EST

Re: Good money after bad... (2.00 / 1)

LOL, thanks for your concern for we poor working class. While, I'll admit it would be easier to have the income of the affluent crowd to help support my candidate, I am one of those working class people you describe and I will continue to donate whatever I can. I have not given up and to spite the fact that many have continuously said this was over form the start, I believe it is over when the voters have all spoken. Until then, I stand with Hillary and will gladly help her all I can.


by DemMom on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:58:45 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (Update (2.00 / 0)

I'm so delighted for you both Alegre!  What a wonderful event to take your daughter to.

When I was (counting backwards) 12 (?) my grandfather took me to a union lunch with the men he called (the boys) so I could meet Senator Cranston who was then running for the Democratic nomination.  He invited us both to sit near him and was incredibly kind.

I'm not sure that cemented my "true blue for life" -- I was probably born to the party, but it sure didn't hurt.  :)  


the third eye does not weep. it knows.
by mijita on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:07:06 AM EST

Re: Good money after bad... (2.00 / 0)

Nobody is forcing anybody to donate to the campaign.  We do it because we believe Hillary is the most qualified candidate and we're with her "til the last dog dies".


by Tolstoy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:17:07 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

"Each table host was encouraged to name a woman who they admire or has made a difference in their lives.  The honoree at our table was Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones"

As a collector of quirky 'ironies' (which are completely irrelevant to serious politics / who the best candidate is):

In 2007 when Stephanie was named a co-chair of Hillary's national campaign she said "This country is ready for change and I believe Hillary is the right person, at the right time to initiate that change". Turned out it was another candidate who managed to park his tank on the change lawn.

"we were 1,500 strong and together we brought in over $1 MILLION"

$1,000,000, 1,500 people, how much would that be per head?


by My Ob on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:08:44 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

Less than $700.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:30:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Alegre, I am struck by your story and by how (2.00 / 1)

Bill Clinton says that his life was changed by meeting John Kennedy.  I suspect that coming from such strong and good stock, someday your little daughter will be running for President in Hillary's footsteps.  Congratulations on being such a wonderful advocat for Hillary and for being such a good and loving mother for your young daughter.  Bless you both.

Wonderful diary.  Highly recommended!


by macmcd on Thu May 08, 2008 at 10:12:05 AM EST

Re: JFK (none / 0)

My mother had the opportunity to meet John Kennedy while he was campaigning in 1960, and it sparked a lifelong interest in politics for her.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:32:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm Really Happy for You & Your Daughter (2.00 / 0)

Hey, alegre, just wanted to thank you for sharing of your experience with us out here!  :-)  I was hoping when I came in here on one of what will undoubtedly be several checks on this site today that you'd have a diary up about meeting her yesterday--and your enthusiasm and excitement has given me a big smile!  Congrats to you!  You and your daughter will undoubtedly be able to look back on that day with very fond memories for a very long time to come! Again, I'm really happy for you (envious, as I only ever got to listen to her from loudspeakers outside buildings when she was through my state since I kept getting shut out with all the overflow crowd--but really excited for you!)  Cheers to you, and thanks again for your continuing and tireless commitment to getting the right person "hired" as our next President.    


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:32:08 AM EST

A beautiful moment for you (2.00 / 0)

and your daughter, no doubt about it.

Thank you for sharing it with us and for all of your enthusiasm and persistence.

As I've told you before, you are a rock star!


by Radiowalla on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:36:42 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (Update (none / 0)

Congratulations Alegre!  It's clear that Hillary is a great hero to you, and this must have been wonderful.

I shook hands with Bill Clinton as he exited from Chicago's Civic Opera house after a John Kerry rally in 2004 - that was a thrill, but your experience sounds ten times better.

(from an Obama supporter)


Graveyards of Illinois - http://www.graveyards.com/
by MattHucke on Thu May 08, 2008 at 11:53:27 AM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

It's so great that you and your daughter got to meet Hillary last night! Some of the event was shown on the local news. Hillary looked and sounded wonderful!


by Nobama on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:09:21 PM EST

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(((hugs to you)))

I don't know about you but this primary has been a doozy.

Nice to see some happy.

Not nice to see it devolve into a political fuss.

Some things are just what they are. Nice.

Again, Hugs.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:18:09 PM EST

The Seond Feminist Century (none / 0)

Thanks Alegre for this great report.  Many Obama supporters and the media generally do not realize that Hillary Clinton has taken us into the second feminist century.  Many young women joined Obama, thinking that we are post feminism.  However, pre-feminism and post-feminism feel awful similar to me.  There are battles still to be fought and won over gender.


by dbrown04 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 12:24:26 PM EST

Re: The Seond Feminist Century (2.00 / 1)

there really is a part of me that is upset that obama's candidacy is cutting short maybe the best chance for a female president that I can think of.  Hopefully it will happen in your life time yet.  shame that it hasn't even been close till now, but Hillary was awful close.  Maybe the best presidential candidate never to win.


by ab03 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:37:14 PM EST
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Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (Update (2.00 / 1)

You're gonna need more than million bucks to keep this log afloat.


by Covin on Thu May 08, 2008 at 01:44:09 PM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (none / 0)

I'm so happy for you and your daughter. It is so wonderful that you got to share this with her. It's an event she will never forget and I'm certain this will influence her throughout her life. I just hope Hillary will be campaigning for reelection in 2012 when my daughter (who's almost 3) will be old enough to remember it too.


by LakersFan on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:00:30 PM EST

Re: My Daughter and I Met Hillary Tonight! (Update (none / 0)

That is fantastic!!!  You are a lucky woman and your daughter is so lucky.

Thank you for all your support of Hillary!


by stefystef on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:03:11 PM EST

Have Faith... (none / 0)

WE beg your pardon I never promised you a rose garden
Along with the sunshine there's gotta be a little rain sometimes
When you take you gotta give so live and let live or let go
I beg you pardon I never promised you a rose garden

I could promise you things like big diamond rings
But you don't find roses growin' on stalks of clover so you'd better think it over
When it's sweet talking you could make it come true
I would give you the world right now on a silver platter but what would it matter
So smile for a while and let's be jolly love shouldn't be so melancholy
Come along and share the good times while we can
I beg you pardon I never promised you a rose garden
[ steel ]
I could sing you a tune and promise you the moon
But if that's what it takes to hold you I'd just as soon let you go
But there's one thing I want you to know
You better look before you leap still water runs deep
And there won't always be someone there to pull you out
And you know what I'm talking about
So smile for a while and let's be jolly...
I beg you pardon I never promised you a rose garden


by grego101 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:47:11 PM EST


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