Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia!

I'm going to just pass along some info on Hillary's speech and some stats fro her campaign because frankly, it's late and I'd really love to get to bed before 1 am for a change tonight.  After all, tomorrow's another day.

No surprises today really.  We all expected Obama to take North Carolina and it looks like Hillary's done what she needed to do by winning Indiana.  So the race goes on and we'll all meet again next Tuesday in West Virginia.  Hillary's not wasting any time either.  After a bit of rest tomorrow, she'll head to West Virginia on Thursday to meet as many voters as she can, and convince them that she's the best prepared - the most dedicated and experienced candidate out there.

She gave a great speech in Indianapolis tonight though - take a look at this clip (courtesy of the folks over at No Quarter)...


And here's her speech, as posted on her campaign's website...

Hillary's Election Day Remarks in Indianapolis, IN
Thank you, Indiana. Thank you. Not too long ago, my opponent made a prediction. He said I would probably win Pennsylvania. He would win North Carolina, and Indiana would be the tie-breaker. Well, tonight we've come from behind, we've broken the tie, and thanks to you, it's full speed on to the White House.

This has been an extraordinary experience, traveling across Indiana, having an opportunity to meet so many of you. And for everyone who holds your breath at the gas pump, afraid to see how much it cost today, and for everyone working day and night because you want the world for your kids. For every young person with big dreams who deserves a world of opportunity, and for all those who aren't in the headlines but have always written America's story, tonight is your victory right here.

I want to commend Senator Obama and his supporters on their win in North Carolina. We are, in many ways, on the same journey. It's a journey begun long before we were born. It is a journey by men and women who have been on a mission to perfect our union, who marched and protested, who risked everything they had to build an America that embraces us all. And tonight, once again, I need your help to continue our journey.

This has always been your campaign and this is your victory, because your support has meant the difference between winning and losing. And we can only keep winning if we're able to keep competing against an opponent who does outspend us massively. So I hope you will go to hillaryclinton.com and support our campaign. This is a very touching moment for me. I grew up in the Midwest, born in Chicago, raised in Park Ridge, Illinois. My dad was a World War II vet who started his own small business, and originally from Scranton, PA., that's right.

My mother had a difficult childhood, but worked hard to provide a loving home for us. And she didn't attend college herself, but was determined her children would. And I don't think she ever dreamed she would see a night like this. Their story, like every one of our stories, is the American story. It's a story of men and women who embrace opportunity, never waver in the face of adversity, and never stop believing in the promise of America. And yet today, I have met so many people here in Indiana and across America who feel invisible.

You sure feel invisible when you're paying $60 or $70 to fill up your tank. You feel invisible when the money you took to the grocery store no longer meets your needs for the next week. You feel invisible when your health insurance disappears and college is out of reach. And you can't believe how invisible you feel when your loved one who served our country in war is ill-served back at home.

I know these stories and I see you and I hear you. And I know how hard you're working, working for yourselves and working for your families. And I will never stop fighting for you, so that you can have the future you deserve.

Tonight, Hoosiers have said that you do want a President who stands strong for you, a President who is ready on Day One to take charge as Commander-in-Chief and keep our families safe; a President who knows how to make this economy work for hardworking middle class families. And there are a lot of ideas about how best to do that.

Because we need all of the good common sense that Americans have to offer. I know that we have got an important debate going on right now about how we are going to help families deal with these gas prices. They have gone up so fast, so out of sight in the minds of the people that I talk with and I think it's time that we really had a concerted strategy. You've heard me say this and I'll say it again. I think its time to give Americans a break this summer and to make the oil companies pay the gas tax out of their record profits.

I say it's time to cover every single American with health insurance.

And I say it's time to freeze foreclosures for families most at risk of losing their homes, including our soldiers who are in harm's way and are being foreclosed on here in America.

Fundamentally, I believe that Americans need a champion in their corner, that for too long we've had a president who has stood up and spoke out for the wealthy and the well-connected. But I don't think that's what Americans need or what they're looking for now. And I think standing up for working people is about the American Dream and the Democratic Party. And I think standing up for the middle class is about who we are and who we can be if we stick together.

So it is important that as we go forward in this campaign that we recognize we are all on the same team. We are going to be standing up for you. We're going to be looking for a way to turn this country around and bring it back to what it should stand for and be all about - better futures for you and your children, solving the problems that affect us here in America.

I know that people are watching this race and they're wondering, I win, he wins, I win, he wins. It's so close. And I think that says a lot about how excited and passionate our supporters are and how intent so many Americans are to really taking their country back. But I can assure you, as I have said on many occasions that no matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party, because we must win in November.

And I know that Senator Obama feels the same way, because we have been on this campaign trail now for a long time. And we know how desperately people want to see a change, and it will not be a change if the Republicans keep the White House. It will be more of the same, something that no one, no matter what political party you may be, can afford. It is time for all of us to recognize what is at stake in this election, not just for Democrats as we decide who will be our nominee, but for all Americans.

The soldiers and the veterans that I meet, they always say to me, promise you'll take care of my buddies. They rarely ask for themselves. And they need a president who will take care of them. And when I talk with the people who come to rallies and events like this, very often it's with a bit of hesitation that they tell me they've lost their job, they've lost their health care; they can't afford to go to college. And it just breaks my heart, because when I think about the America that I grew up in, the future was unlimited, the potential was there for all of us if we were willing to work hard and do our part.

So this journey that we're on together is one that has been a blessing for me, because I know what this country has meant to me and I know what it still means to all of you. It is now our responsibility to ensure that it will always mean the same for our children and our grandchildren.

I will never give up on you and on your families and on your dreams and on your future. And I want to thank the people of Indiana for your hospitality and your vote of confidence and I especially want to thank your wonderful Senator, Evan Bayh. Evan is an outstanding leader for this state and for America. He's been your governor. He's now your senator. He's someone whom I look to for advice and counsel. He's worked tirelessly on this campaign and I'm so grateful to him and his wonderful wife Susan. I also want to thank the people of North Carolina, who were so hospitable and gracious to us.

And I especially want to thank Mike and Mary Easley for their friendship and support. Governor Easley is a visionary leader for North Carolina and we had so much fun campaigning in the Tar Heel state.

And while we are celebrating tonight, I would like to take a moment to express my deepest sympathies to the victims of the devastating cyclone in Burma. Our hearts and prayers go out to the people there and I call upon the Junta that has ruled Burma for so many years to please let the rest of the world in to help. This is a time when everyone should be there to lift up those who are affected by this deadly storm.

And I want to thank all of my friends who have worked so hard. I want to thank my friends in labor. I want to thank my staff, my volunteers and my supporters. And I especially want to thank my family for their incredible love and support. Bill and Chelsea. People ask us all the time, how do you keep going? We love getting out and meeting people. We love having a chance to be with all of you, and didn't Chelsea do a great job? I know a lot of people enjoyed seeing my husband again out on the campaign trail.

So now it is on to West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, and the other states where people are eager to have their voices heard. For too long, we've let places like West Virginia and Kentucky slip out of the Democratic column. Well, it's time for that to change and these next primaries are another test. I'm going to work my heart out in West Virginia and Kentucky this month and I intend to win them in November in the general election.

I want the people in these upcoming states to know we are going to work hard to reach out to all of you, because we want you to know that the Democratic Party is your party. And a Democratic President will be good for you. So please, come join us in our campaign. And I am running to be the President of all of America - north, south, east and west, and everywhere in between. That's why it is so important that we count the votes of Florida and Michigan.

It would be a little strange to have a nominee chosen by 48 states. We've got a long road ahead, but we're going to keep fighting on that path for America, because America is worth fighting for. And we believe in America's potential and possibility that has so ignited hope and the dreams of people throughout our country and around the world. People who left everything behind in order to come here and be part of this great experiment in democracy; dissidents and dreamers on every continent who look to us and our ideals for their hope and inspiration. All those around the world who wept for us and prayed for us on September 11th, who laid wreaths and flew flags at half mast and printed that unforgettable headline, "We are all Americans." That is the reach of America's embrace, through time, place and history.

And I know we can once again open our arms to the world. We can once again be the can-do nation; a nation that defies the odds and greets the future with optimism and hope. There isn't anything America can't do once we make up our minds to start acting like Americans again. And that is exactly what we intend to do. Thank you, and God bless you and God bless America.


(Emphasis added)

Meanwhile, Hillary's camp put out the following memo and I thought I'd pass it along to my good buddies here.  Take a look...

To: Interested Parties
From: The Clinton Campaign
Date: May 6, 2008
RE: Tie-Breaker

In April, Barack Obama called Indiana a `tie-breaker' for the Democratic nominating process: "You know, Sen. Clinton is more favored in Pennsylvania and I'm right now a little more favored in North Carolina, so Indiana right now may end up being the tiebreaker. So we want to work very hard in Indiana ."

At the time, Senator Obama's comments seemed to be part of an elaborate plan to lower expectations for the Indiana contest.  After all, roughly 20% of Indiana Democratic primary voters have been exposed to Senator Obama for years because they live within the Chicago media market.  He's never lost a state that borders his home-state of Illinois .

The fact that Indiana was an open primary - Republicans and independents can vote in the Democratic contest - also augured well for Senator Obama.  He has regularly argued that he should be nominated because he "appeal[s] to Republicans and Independents in a way that none of the other nominees can."

Throw in the fact that Senator Obama outspent the Clinton campaign by a 2 to 1 margin on Indiana television and Indiana seems to be more of a lean-Obama state than a toss-up.
So Hillary's victory in Indiana - fought out against the backdrop of an ailing economy - is all the more incredible.  We started out behind in both the public and internal polls.  

For example, our March 13 poll showed Hillary trailing by 8 points, while our latest poll gave Hillary a 5 point lead.

We saw Hillary Clinton's margin flip from -19 points among men in Indiana back in March to +1 among men in our final poll.  Among women, Hillary's margin increased from +1 in March to +8 now.

Similarly, in mid-February, the Howey-Gauge poll had Barack Obama 15 points ahead of Hillary Clinton (Feb 16-17: Obama 40 / HRC 25).  By April 23-24, Hillary had narrowed the gap to only 2 points in the same poll (Obama 47 / HRC 45).  The late momentum was critical - according to the exit poll, Hillary won by 18 points among those who made their decision in the last three days.

Hillary won by appealing to voters in almost every key demographic group.  According to the exit poll, Hillary won among men and among women, in northern, central and southern parts of the state, among those who earn more than $50,000 per year and those who earn less, union voters and non-union voters, suburban and rural voters, churchgoers, gun-owners, and those who have not graduated from college.

Hillary also won among those who say the economy is the most important issue, those who are affected by the recession, those who say health care is most important, electability and experience voters.  Hillary also led Obama on commander-in-chief.

What drove Hillary's strong support - especially among downscale voters, suburban and rural voters, churchgoers, gun-owners and those who are affected by the recession?

- Gas tax summer holiday - making oil companies pay the gas tax instead of American families through a tax on oil company windfall profits

- Tough stance on NAFTA and other trade issues

- The only candidate - Democrat or Republican - with a health care plan that covers every American

-  Support for cutting middle-class taxes

Guys Hillary's clearly in this thing to win. She said that right from the start and has been working 24/7 to make it to the Oval Office.  Not because she wants the job - but because she knows she can make a positive difference in our lives.  

She can't do this without our help.  If you're serious about seeing her make it... well I think you know what we all need to do - right now.

Send our gal some love and let her know we've got her back all the way to Denver and through to November!

         

U P D A T E

Wow. Just wow. I feel as if I stepped into a buzz saw here and I thought I was among friends on this site. I hope you boys are happy with how you've behaved in this thread tonight. Rather than talk about how the primaries went today and maybe discuss the primaries coming up, many of you are gloating, rude, abusive, and insinuating garbage that I thought I'd left behind at dKos.

Your canidate must be so proud of you guys tonight.

To the Hillary supporters out there who've wandered in now that this is on the Rec List, all I can say is if you're as disgusted as I am at this childish behavior, donate to Hillary and donate BIG.

HELP HILLARY FIGHT ON - CONTRIBUTE NOW!



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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 23)

In it to WIN it baby!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:35:31 AM EST

ok, this primary is so over. (2.00 / 3)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:37:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

How many times have you said that (2.00 / 5)

this season?


by catfish1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:42:20 AM EST
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this is the first time. (2.00 / 4)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:42:46 AM EST
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Re: this is the first time. (2.00 / 7)

let's just let things play out. Had the situation been reversed, the only thing I'd want right now is some magnanimity in the night's victory. Let them be.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:54:17 AM EST
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true (none / 0)

I am fine with it going all the way to the end.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:53:21 AM EST
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Tim Russert says its over (none / 0)

Tim Russert declared Obama the Democratic Presidential nominee. This thing only continued this long because the media was willing to play and pretend it was still up for grabs. No more. Time to donate to Obama and start the fight with McCain.

Russert video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDm3dEz9m mk


by ImpeachBushCheney on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:54:14 AM EST
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Re: Tim Russert says its over (2.00 / 1)

You know, in a real way if you donate to Obama, you may indirectly be donating to Hillary, and vice-versa.

You see, generally the losing candidate, if they come close enough, work out a deal whereby the winning candidate pays off the losing candidates debts.  And Hillary has a lot of them.  And won a lot of primaries.

I don't want to discourage anyone from donating anything - it's just a funny thought that popped into my head.


by Mostly on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:20:31 AM EST
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Re: Tim Russert says its over (none / 0)

I sort of assumed that the way they'd structure it would be for Obama to agree to not strongly contest KY and WV, and let Hillary use some of the funds raised for those races to retire some debt before using Oregon as a denouement. But that would be contingent on them reaching an agreement for her to not take it to the floor in Denver, because otherwise I don't see the Obama camp letting her have the extra delegates without spending a lot of cash for them. But this way, she saves face and retires debt, and he gets the nomination without two probable losses immediately following it.
by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:29:03 AM EST
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Re: Tim Russert is a toad (none / 0)

Obama's not getting the nomination, no matter what Russert says. He's the guy who asked the UFO question, remember?


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:21:39 PM EST
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Re: Tim Russert is a toad (2.00 / 1)

You should try soaking pickles in that kool-aid sometime, it's delicious! (:
by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:03:53 PM EST
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Re: Tim Russert says its over (2.00 / 1)

I don't mind if my donation to Obama goes to retire Clinton's debt once she's out of the race.  They're both Democrats.  

If Clinton loses, I don't want her to have a huge debt to take into her next Senate campaign.  Same would hold true for Obama.


the third eye does not weep. it knows.
by mijita on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:31:48 AM EST
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Re: Tim Russert says its over (none / 0)

Paying public universities for gymnasium rental...I'm ok with that.

Paying Mark Penn or repaying the 11.4 million the Clintons borrowed from themselves...very very NOT ok with that.

If they make such a deal, I really hope it doesn't include those two things.  The Clintons can make plenty of money (as evidenced by the fact that they already have made 109 million) and giving them 11 million dollars is offensive given the troubles so many face in this country.  If that money is on the table, it should go to a charity of which CLinton and Obama both approve.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:49:57 PM EST
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Re: Tim Russert says its over (none / 0)

If one penny of any political donation I have ever made goes into the pockets of Mark Penn, I'm quitting the circus.


by such sweet thunder on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:55:42 AM EST
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Russert is a tool (none / 0)

and not very credible. He could be right, but I'll wait for another source.


by catfish1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:52:40 AM EST
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Re: Tim Russert says its over (none / 0)

I'm a strong Obama supporter, but I don't think Russert has any authority or inside track on the CW to say this nomination battle is over.  Tom Brokaw, whom I respect far more, once claimed that 50 superdelegates were ready to endorse Obama after March 4.

Russert certainly feeds into the CW, but that's where his powers of persuasion end.  And he's fickle: In a few news cycles, he may be again asking whether the momentum has swung back to Clinton.


by deminva on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:09:25 AM EST
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Re: this is the first time. (none / 0)

2209 and not before.


by northstars on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:58:54 AM EST
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It is sad really. (2.00 / 1)

Democrats can see the wasted time and effort in Iraq, that there is no positive outcome by staying.   We shake our heads at the Republicans who say we have to stay until we win, thinking they are delusional.   But when we are in a pointless and destructive primary race we, say over and over  "In it to win it" and keep fighting Hillary.   I guess we do not have better judegement just care about diffrent things.  McCain is a fool for wanting to stay in until we win, but Clinton is a Hero?


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:38:06 PM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (none / 0)

She may not win actually. The vote in Indiana is closing fast and the remaining counties are largely pro-obama. That said, I hope you support Obama as stridently as you've supported Clinton if he does indeed win Indiana tonight and she concedes eventually.

You've certainly been a thorn in the side of any Obama supporter. :)


by Yalin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:41:05 AM EST
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I look forward to campaigning. (2.00 / 4)

I look forward to supporting the Democratic nominee (unconditionally) and campaigning together with you, Alegre.


John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.
by Shem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:43:09 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 5)

thanks for the diary - i really needed it after the gloating of many BO supporters here and in the media.  HRC was v. courageous in her speech but seeing CC and BC's faces behind her made me cry.  corny - i know, but you are right tomorrow is another day!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:46:35 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 3)

We need to get our head together and realize that this race WILL continue.  Nobody's leaveing so let's talk issues and keep fighting dammit.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:50:07 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 2)

So, do tell?  How the hell does she win now?  How?!?!  Hell, I'll give you Florida and Michigan.  You still lose!


"We have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates."
-Howard Wolfson
by belicheat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:20:26 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 4)

No need to push this tonight.  Give them some time.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:49:46 AM EST
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Full Speed Ahead to What? (none / 0)

It is time for many on this site to drink the proverbial reality drink.

If you can perform math, Hillary Clinton has LOST in every metric.  There is no way she can win.  And even if FL and MI delegates were seated, as is, she still LOSES.  Her cancelling all appearances speaks volumes, and if rumor is correct and she loaned her campaign more money, then the PA influx of money was not much on top of a mounting debt.

Last night nailed if for Barack Obama, he is the Democratic Nominee.

The Clintons would be foolish to run this to Denver and quite frankly expect major superdelegates to rally behind Barack, starting today.

It is over.  She can win WV, KY and Barack OR and May 20th, it is done.  She is out.

Now is about the Clinton legacy and keeping it in tact, they will do whatever to make sure Obama wins in November.  Period.


by Edna Howard on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:23:30 AM EST
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Honestly no gloating. (2.00 / 5)

Rather, sympathy.  If I were there I would bring you a Blizzard from the DQ...always worked for my roommate and I when we were feeling let down or sad.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:27:44 AM EST
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you fake sympathy won't work (1.33 / 3)

the race is not over.  Obama is a loser in november.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Wed May 07, 2008 at 06:16:35 AM EST
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The only certain thing is... (2.00 / 6)

... that you are a loser right now.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:13:41 AM EST
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Re: you fake sympathy won't work (2.00 / 3)

Seems we're going to get a chance to find out.


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:10:23 AM EST
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Sounds unsettlingly like... (2.00 / 1)

.... you may feel a personal commitment to that particular outcome. I hope that's not the case.


by odum on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:15:47 AM EST
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Good luck (2.00 / 2)

Jeez, testy are we?
You're candidate lost pretty badly last night, and somebody tries to soften it with a little empathy, and you throw it right back in their faces. That's sweet.
I know you're not at your best, but, Lord, a lot of Obama people are trying to be understanding. You aren't making it easy.
ооо
by Mumphrey on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:41:21 AM EST
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Re: Good luck (2.00 / 0)

D'Ohh!
Should be "YOUR candidate".
ооо
by Mumphrey on Wed May 07, 2008 at 10:42:37 AM EST
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Not fake Theresa. (2.00 / 0)

I was feeling very sad last night and still today.  This race has been like the civil war pitting brother against brother (sister against sister).  Nobody feels happy about that.


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:10:03 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

Nice diary.


by durendal on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:56:16 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (none / 0)

Peace.  We need you.


by slippy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:44:24 AM EST
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I know you worked hard on this, but... (2.00 / 1)

Indiana is still up in the air.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:36:31 AM EST

Re: I know you worked hard on this, but... (2.00 / 2)

CBS called it over an hour ago.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:50:30 AM EST
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CBS has had egg on its face all night (2.00 / 2)

since they called it. It's been "too close to call" for a couple of hours now.


by Bee on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:57:07 AM EST
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Re: I know you worked hard on this, but... (2.00 / 2)

So, since CBS called it an hour ago... we should ignore all further results?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:59:37 AM EST
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16,000 votes, alegre (2.00 / 0)

CBS doesn't have a lot of credibility here.  CNN and MSNBC didn't call it, and in fact the remaining outstanding votes are Obama strongholds.

I'm not trying to rub salt on the wound, but you may want to check another network.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:12:44 AM EST
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Re: 16,000 votes, alegre (none / 0)

You lose, she did win even though your Gary Obama Mayor was such a buffoon


by anya109 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:26:38 AM EST
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Huh? (2.00 / 0)

It was a statistical tie.  The delegates will be a tie.  Clinton won by a lower margin than the voters who exit-polled that they would rather have McCain in the White House.

I'm actually glad she won Indiana, because it gives her a little dignity to salvage her fundraising and start paying off her debts.

And yes, the Gary mayor seemed incredibly sketchy. I don't know what was up with him.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:54:36 AM EST
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Re: 16,000 votes, alegre (none / 0)

Wow, from Alegre's update, I thought it was the Obama supporters that were acting poorly. This comment is beneath you.


by futbol dad on Wed May 07, 2008 at 11:13:12 AM EST
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Re: I know you worked hard on this, but... (2.00 / 0)

Barely 2% win. They split delegates which is the key here. Big win for Obama in NC. nearly 15. Obama will get more of a delegate lead.  compare that to Hillary's lead in PA dwindling all the way to 8.6% at the end from a similar 20% plus  poll lead.


by Pravin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:20:40 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (none / 0)

Alegre-turn on the TV.  Indiana is too close to call.


by mefck on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:37:55 AM EST

Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

CBS called it for Hillary over an hour ago.  And I'm sorry but if you're talking about MSNBO - I'm one of the millions out there who can't afford cable.  So I'll have to rely on PBS and the other regular - you know... free networks if you don't mind.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:51:41 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 0)

Well, you have a computer, right?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24481004/

Click the link at the top of the page. Currently 16k votes separating them.


by upstate girl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:53:21 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (none / 0)

Yeah - sorry but MSNBC lost all credibility with me ages ago.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:55:08 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 2)

Wow- cognitive dissonance much?

Heck, MSNBC pulls from the same sources as CNN, FOX, et all- look at any of those and stop playing these games.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:00:36 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 0)

Its called Denial


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:51:04 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

ok, here: http://www.foxnews.com/


by mefck on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:01:29 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

So you're going with results that were called hours too early, when it actually is too close to call? Do you consider a victory of less than 20k votes out of hundreds of thousands to be decisive, especially when at the most she'll net one delegate? I understand you don't like MSNBC, but is that any reason to think that the numbers they (and everyone else) are reporting aren't true?


by upstate girl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:05:00 AM EST
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I was listening to NPR (2.00 / 2)

on my drive back to the Cities,

They were saying to earlier to call (even after Clinton gave the speech).

NPR is on the "Good" Media List, right?


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:54:34 AM EST
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Re: I was listening to NPR (none / 0)

Actually, there was some anger towards them a bit ago for talking about goalpost-moving.  I can't remember the specifics.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:14:31 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

Then go to foxnews.com and see what they say.  Serious, enough Alegre.  I am sorry you can't afford cable, but you can obviously afford the internet, so then watch the free streams online.


by mefck on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:00:30 AM EST
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Hillary's mother (2.00 / 9)

Love this part:

My mother had a difficult childhood, but worked hard to provide a loving home for us. And she didn't attend college herself, but was determined her children would. And I don't think she ever dreamed she would see a night like this. Their story, like every one of our stories, is the American story. It's a story of men and women who embrace opportunity, never waver in the face of adversity, and never stop believing in the promise of America. And yet today, I have met so many people here in Indiana and across America who feel invisible.

She really understands this at a deep level.


by catfish1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:38:04 AM EST

Re: Hillary's mother (2.00 / 1)

I'm reading her book "Living History" and yeah... her mom had a more than difficult childhood.  But she got through it and Hillary's made of the same tough stuff.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:53:03 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

"No surprises today"?  Um, ok.


by rfahey22 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:38:04 AM EST

Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (none / 0)

No surprises today, and no media appearances tomorrow.


by Mostly on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:28:10 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 7)

How can we say go full speed ahead when this nomination battle is over? Get over it, I am a Clinton supporter, but wake up and smell the coffee, she is done and there is no denying it.


by American1989 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:38:12 AM EST

Florida Michigan are big states (2.00 / 4)

She still has a case. This is a historic campaign and there's no reason to drop out before the end.


by catfish1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:40:55 AM EST
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she won't get enough (2.00 / 0)

delegates or popular vote even with FL/MI as is now.

This thing is over.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:45:30 AM EST
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Re: she won't get enough (2.00 / 1)

You guys DO realize that no candidate can with this with just pledged delegates - right?

This thing is far from over and Hillary's taking this to the convention.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:58:18 AM EST
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If it's confirmed (2.00 / 0)

that Hillary has canceled events for tomorrow, will you manage somehow to spin that as a triumph for Hillary too?


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:01:13 AM EST
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Re: she won't get enough (2.00 / 0)

You really just can't see the forest for the trees can you?  You damn well know Hillary's win would be overturning the will of the popular vote as opposed to ratifying it.  Theres a huge difference, don't act stupid.


"We have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates."
-Howard Wolfson
by belicheat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:23:35 AM EST
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Re: she won't get enough (2.00 / 0)

i know this is tough to digest, but it ain't going to the convention. if it goes to next week, i'll be surprised. betcha a dollar he pulls 15 or so supers by friday...


by jbill on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:44:11 AM EST
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Re: she won't get enough (2.00 / 0)

That would be political suicide.  She's not going to destroy herself.  She will withdraw before the convention.


by Same As It Ever Was on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:13:38 AM EST
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Let's not argue tonight. (2.00 / 1)

Hopefully in the next 24 hours things will sink in and we can all reevaluate the race from an objective standpoint.

There is too much emotion right now.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:06:55 AM EST
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Kind Thoughts--Be kind. (2.00 / 4)

Lay off them.  It's one thing for HRC supporters to tell other supporters it's over.  But we don't need to add insult to injury by doing it also.  Just please give them some space.  They'll come around.  Even Alegre.


by The Distillery on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:08:03 AM EST
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I will be shutting up now. (2.00 / 1)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:04:58 AM EST
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Re: Florida Michigan are big states (2.00 / 0)

Mathematically, MI and FL are moot points now.

Its over.

Goodnight.


by IowaMike on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:45:47 AM EST
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Re: Florida Michigan are big states (none / 0)

I'll bet you that if Obama gets the momentum from superdelegates and such, they'll seat MI/FL as soon as he passes 2208 and be done with it. Or else they'll seat 'em 50% and 2180, or whatever it'll be.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:03:56 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

She ran a great campaign the last month or so, but its now over.  She'll be forced out within a week.  Even if she stays in longer, I hope her supporters follow her lead and avoid negative attacks which are not helpful to our party at this point.


by KevinT on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:38:41 AM EST

5 campaign offices open in Oregon (2.00 / 7)

They're staying open. Just let it play out.


by catfish1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:39:57 AM EST
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Re: 5 campaign offices open in Oregon (2.00 / 2)

And we are literally opening up more as I type.


by Pacific John on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:19:38 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

She's earned the right to continue.  I agree that the negative attacks should stop, but she should be able to leave on her own terms, not be forced out.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:08:18 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (1.00 / 0)

Negative attacks, not helpful...? Someone should have told that to Obama.  Now we're never going to get a decent universal healthcare plan.


by Montague on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:01:24 AM EST
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So good to see Alegre's diary! (2.00 / 10)

I'm travelling to Oregon this weekend to campaign for Hillary. This is a historic campaign, she is going down in history. I am donating mroe $$ right now.

She is a winner and a champ and to ask her to quit is simply unAmerican!


by catfish1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:39:23 AM EST

Re: So good to see Alegre's diary! (2.00 / 2)

And can we ever use you. By my calculations, if any one of our OR phone banks had been out or action, Obama would have taken IN. I mean, I don't mind helping to win a state, but this one was a little too close for comfort.


by Pacific John on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:23:04 AM EST
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Re: So good to see Alegre's diary! (2.00 / 0)

That's funny, I'm travelling to Oregon this weekend to campaign for Obama.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:54:08 AM EST
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Re: So good to see Alegre's diary! (2.00 / 0)

she is going down in history

I think you need to remove "in history" and you arrive at the most accurate statement.

Penn earned his money on this one!


by reggie44pride on Wed May 07, 2008 at 05:03:27 AM EST
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Re: So good to see Alegre's diary! (2.00 / 0)

she makes history every day  

say what you want about Hillary but a quitter is not one of them


PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:09:29 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 17)

The "official" Obama nomination tour will have to do a detour into the land of unelectability (for him).


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:40:03 AM EST

Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 7)

i don't think the obama supporters have thought it through. the obama campaign has already sacrificed FL and MI in the general to try to get the nomination. they are focused exlusively on the nomination, even though it will be worthless.


by campskunk on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:43:54 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 12)

Please stop being patronizing to the people supporting the candidate in the lead by every possible metric. Its one thing to believe your decision is the correct one, but to make the general assumption that people just haven't "thought it through" is insultive and absurd. Like other people in this country aren't hurting as badly as you? Or as intelligent? Or have concerns that aren't as valid, or that they're not capable of deciding on valid considerations?


by upstate girl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:49:01 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 6)

Sooo... it's ok to be rude and patronizing to someone who backs the other candidate because of where things stand right now?

Take a look around - are you proud of how some of your fellow followers are acting here tonight?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:05:11 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 7)

I wasn't aware I had to respond to every individual on this board, or answer for their behavior. I haven't required the same from you. I'm discussing your comments specifically, and they're nothing to be proud of, regardless of what "everyone else" is saying.


by upstate girl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:09:09 AM EST
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No, its not ok. (2.00 / 4)

Nobody should be patronizing or rude to anyone.  We're all on the same side, or at least we should be.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:09:54 AM EST
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Re: No, its not ok. (2.00 / 2)

No same side here.  Brazile states that the Dems don't need no white working people, or Hispanics and heaven forbid, gays who denigrate the Civil Rights movement.  Or, how about that Gary, Indiana Mayor - check out the disbelief from even Wolf Blitzer on the delay.  Or, MI and FL voters don't count, the roolz are the roolz except if they may not favor Obama.


by anya109 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:35:28 AM EST
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Re: No, its not ok. (2.00 / 1)

I know Jerome was upset about this, but you've got to be kidding if some off-handed comment by a candidate-backing pundit offends you.

I mean, given all that was said minimizing caucus states, or Obama states, or small states, or elites or whatever, neither Jerome nor anyone here should pretend to have such thin skin as to weep when Brazile runs at the mouth.

But if that's what you need right now, by all means...


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:47:21 AM EST
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Brazile said nothing of the sort (none / 0)

You're spreading a deliberate misinterpretation of what Brazile really said. Go back and read the transcript of the whole exchange that Jerome posted about (and used to set up a ridiculous straw-man).

Brazile was saying the democrats' base is no longer just blue collar voters and hispanics, but also included the "new coalition" of several other demographics. She was, in effect, doing the opposite of what you're accusing her of doing.


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:58:27 PM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 3)

I don't subscribe to the idea that the bad behavior of one group excuses the bad behavior of another. Both sides have had members showing their asses tonight (and, for that matter, throughout this Primary).

If someone is being rude and patronizing, nasty and crass or just plain asshole'ish....it does not matter who they support...they are a rude, patronizing, nasty, crass asshole.

Both sides have them and neither side should excuse the behavior of such 'supporters'.

Shorter version:
2 wrongs don't make a right.


by Kysen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:17:00 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 0)

Absolutely.  It's time we all got a little reality based.  Holding people to impossible standards is not the same as holding them to high standards.  Neither candidate is perfect, but they're BOTH a hell of a lot better than the alternative.  
     Both of the campaigns are where they are at.  At least, I think that people on both sides will realize that there are more important things to worry about than the mayor.  So let's let it play out.
    In basketball, when you are behind by a few points with seconds to go, it's best to not start committing flagrant fouls.  And, conversely, if you are ahead by a few points with seconds to go, it's not wise to start taunting your opponent - there's always another game coming up.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And clowns.
by haremoor on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:12:31 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 3)

Now, now...  No fighting over the life boats.


"I'll bite your legs off!" -- HRC 2008!
by username3 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:57:14 AM EST
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Understand & agree with you camp (2.00 / 2)

I never would have understood if it weren't for the 2004 election. There was no valid reason on earth to substantiate re-electing George W. Bush as president, and in fact John Kerry drew the 2nd largest vote in presidential history to make sure it didn't happen. 2nd largest wasn't enough however, because Bush managed to draw the largest due in no small measure to the Republican party's ability to take a bonified war hero and portray him as questionably anti-American based merely on decades old conflicting memories. With that in mind, you can't discount the high probability that the Republican party will use Wright to win another election they otherwise never would have. If Obama is the nominee, get ready for Election 2004 The Sequel: Wrightboat.


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:05:21 AM EST
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Re: Understand & agree with you camp (2.00 / 2)

With that in mind, you can't discount the high probability that the Republican party will use Wright to win another election they otherwise never would have. If Obama is the nominee, get ready for Election 2004 The Sequel: Wrightboat.

Stiffen your spine. We aren't afraid anymore.


by RP McMurphy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:10:18 AM EST
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Quote: (2.00 / 1)

"In an ominous note for Obama, nearly half of Indiana voters rated "the importance of the situation with Rev. Wright" as "very or somewhat" important. That is a remarkably high number considering these are Democratic voters and it has been mostly non-Democrats who polls show are most offended by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial statements."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/050 8/10142_Page2.html


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:48:35 AM EST
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Re: Understand & agree with you camp (2.00 / 1)

Why dont you adopt the attitude "if they can do it to KIerry, we can do it to mcCain" instead of accepting defeat?


by Pravin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:18:37 AM EST
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Re: Understand & agree with you camp (2.00 / 1)

WRIGHTBOAT????

oh yeah because it worked so well already


PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:13:54 AM EST
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How it plays out (none / 0)

in the nomination process verses general election are two entirely different matters altogether.


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:52:00 PM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 0)

i don't think the obama supporters have thought it through. the obama campaign has already sacrificed FL and MI in the general to try to get the nomination.

I don't think we're going to win Florida running against a geriatric veteran supported by two very popular Republican governors, so that's beside the point. But you'll notice that according to the electoral map on this very site, Obama wins Michigan whereas Clinton does not. How do you square that one?


by RP McMurphy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:06:16 AM EST
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good God (2.00 / 2)

MI doesn't make up for FL, PA and OH.  MI will go blue no matter what.  Obama is not losing Fl because of the delegates, though that is part of it.  He is losing it because he is a terrible candidate in most demographic groups.
He is going to lose in November and McCain is going to be your next president.
For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:19:34 AM EST
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Re: good God (none / 0)

Not if the party rallies round. Look at the registration and primary turnout. Any democratic nominee would have got a unity bounce. It was a protracted, heated and substantial primary campaign. Nobody can say neither candidate has been tested.


Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain
by duende on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:48:34 PM EST
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Thanks for your support (none / 0)

You should let go of a little of that bitterness; it's dragging you down.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 07, 2008 at 07:26:14 PM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (none / 0)

But, don't try to pretend that the land(s) of unelectability like WV or KY (neither would have gone for him in the first place) matter numerically after Obama wiped out her PA gains.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:44:21 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 5)

you stay classy jerome


by aaaa05 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:44:29 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 2)

What does that mean, exactly?


If you are not voting Obama, please let me know so I can replace your sorry ass with another new voter.
by Darknesse on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:44:44 AM EST
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Re: Full Speed Ahead! Next Stop... West Virginia! (2.00 / 1)

I guess he's saying that Obama won't get the nomination before he has to go through Kentucky and West Virginia, which will be large Clinton wins.