MSNBC Calls Indiana For Hillary Clinton

by Jonathan Singer, Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:12:51 AM EST

The first two thread on Indiana are full, so time for a third one. Here are the numbers from CNN:

22,019-vote margin for Clinton

√ Hillary Clinton: 637,389 votes (51 percent)
Barack Obama: 615,370 votes (49 percent)

With 99 percent of precincts reporting at 1:10 AM Eastern

Lake County, home to the city of Gary, is beginning to report, and thus far with about a quarter of the vote there tallied Obama is leading by a 3-to-1 margin. This is a real nail-biter, so stay tuned...

Update [2008-5-7 0:19:33 by Jonathan Singer]: Note, too, that there remains about a third of the vote in Monroe County -- home to the city of Bloomington (and thus Indiana University) -- a county where Obama is leading by about a 2-to-1 margin. NBC News estimates that as many as 10,000 votes could remain there, as well, so Obama might not need to pick up the entire remaining margin from Lake County (and the city of Gary).

Update [2008-5-7 0:23:28 by Jonathan Singer]: It looks like there may be a couple/few thousand votes remaining to be counted from 2 percent of precincts in Marion County, where the city of Indianapolis is located. At present, Obama is leading in the county by a 67 percent to 33 percent margin.

Update [2008-5-7 0:39:16 by Jonathan Singer]: Monroe County (Bloomington/IU) is now basically all in, 56 percent of the precincts in Lake County (Gary) are in, and Obama has cut the lead to a little under 17,000 votes. Only 5 percent of precincts statewide remain, so Obama might not be able to quite make it to even (at least tonight before all of the absentee and provisional ballots are counted). But we shall wait and see...

Update [2008-5-7 1:12:51 by Jonathan Singer]: We're up to 99 percent of precincts reporting (though still 2 percent in Marion County [Indianapolis] not reporting), and Clinton's lead has bumped up from about 17,000 votes to about 22,000 votes. Just about all of the vote in Lake County has now been counted. Looks like this might be about it for the night -- about a 2 percentage point victory (or perhaps slightly less, closer to 1.75 percentage points, to be precise) for Clinton.




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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 2)

Obama may pull this off, and stick it to Limbaugh!


by mecarr on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:49:54 PM EST

With this narrow of a margin? (none / 0)

If she only takes Indiana by <1%, you can directly thank Rush Limbaugh for her win.


John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.
by Shem on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:51:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: With this narrow of a margin? (2.00 / 1)

I dont think the media calls that a win.


by yitbos96bb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:01:03 AM EST
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Re: With this narrow of a margin? (none / 0)

As Sen. Obama said, "Fifty plus one is a win." Remember his Republicans for a day?


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:10:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You know well the difference. (none / 0)

Obama Republicans are crossing over of their own cognizance, and intend to support him in November.  Hillary Republicans are there at Rush Limbaugh's behest, and plan on voting for John McCain in November no matter who wins.


John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.
by Shem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:18:46 AM EST
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Re: You know well the difference. (none / 0)

That's not what the polls are saying. Thirty-eight per cent of BOTH candidates Republican voters say they will vote for McCain in the fall if their candidate does not win.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:21:19 AM EST
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Re: You know well the difference. (none / 0)

Some Republicans are voting for their second choice candidate (after McCain).  We really shouldn't give Rush all the credit.


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:22:54 AM EST
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Re: You know well the difference. (2.00 / 1)

That's not what the question should be....the question should be which of those Republicans will be voting for McCain even if the Democrat they voted for in the Primary WINS.


by Kysen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:33:50 AM EST
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We have that data. (2.00 / 2)

According to the MSNBC exit poll, 4.8% of Obama voters said they would vote for McCain over Obama.

13.4% of Hillary voters said they would vote for McCain over Hillary.


by Rorgg on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:47:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

heh, Olbermann: (2.00 / 2)

In response to Tweety saying Rush will believe that he won Indiana for Clinton:

"Yes, well, he also believes he owns the moon, but..."


by kydoc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:52:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

CBS would have egg on its face. (2.00 / 6)

They never even conceded that this was a close race.


John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.
by Shem on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:50:20 PM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

As expected, the early Lake County results are all Gary.  Not quite as good as it looked for a minute for Obama.

I think he's coming up just a smidge short. But closer than anyone thought a few hours ago.


by KyleJRM on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:50:28 PM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

How do you know?

If it were all Gary, he'd have gotten a lot more than 75-25. Gary is 85% black.


by elrod on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:09:15 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

If the rest of the county is that solid Obama, he's gonna pull it out. Doesn't seem like the rest of the county could be as heavily Obama as what's reported so far, but it's gonna be really close.


by Mullibok on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:50:35 PM EST

I predicted .3% for Obama! (none / 0)

I feel good about that


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by cardboard 1 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:50:45 PM EST

Re: I predicted .3% for Obama! (none / 0)

Wow. Where did you get your crystal ball? It's clearly working much better than mine.

seriously, though, how did you figure ahead of time it would be so close? I figured Clinton by 5-8%.


by kydoc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:53:46 PM EST
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Re: I predicted .3% for Obama! (2.00 / 1)

Well, it was not too scientific... but I figured we have had 40 something of these races and Missouri was the only really close one (outside of Guam).  I kind of just thought we were due.


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:58:45 PM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 4)

I'm still stunned that this could actually be ending.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:51:23 PM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Will this be the Democratic Florida? Prolong the pain with conspiracy and questions and prevent any hope of unity before August?

P.S. Anderson Cooper is a maroon.


Fight the Smears!
by Lettuce on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:51:47 PM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Florida was the Democratic Florida :)


by KyleJRM on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:52:25 PM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

That would only happen in a winner take all race.


But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.
by thezzyzx on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:53:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah (none / 0)

there is literally no difference between a 2% win for Hillary and a 2% win for Barack except for the perceptions and spin game - but seeing as Hillary's campaign has largely been about perception since the end of February that's a real loss.


by grass on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:16:30 AM EST
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Re: Yeah (none / 0)

That's not entirely true.  There is an odd PLEO delegate which will go to whoever ends up with more votes.


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:26:33 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

There's really no need -- unlike Florida, this can't swing any more than 1-2 delegates.  It's almost purely a narrative, but has no bearing on the reality of the race.


by Rorgg on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:54:18 PM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Clinton's campaign has been based hugely on "wins" in certain states, regardless of margin or delegates. Why would that change with a potential race-ender like Indiana?


by KyleJRM on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:55:57 PM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Because with each concluded contest, reality matters more and spin matters less. The Clinton campaign may try to spin it, but nobody but the hardest of hardcore Clinton supporters will care, so...meh.

And we may have just reached critical mass for reality to intervene. We'll see if we hear from some superdelegates in the next few days.


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:01:01 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Nah, because a Clinton squeaker win in Indiana is functionally just as much of a loss for her as an Obama squeaker win. The decisive factor is still the superdelegate decision, and I can't think of any reason they'd vote one way if Clinton is up by.1%, but another way if Obama is up by .1%.

So, it won't matter.

So, even if it takes a while to figure it out, it will be a curiosity, rather than the debacle that was Florida in 2000.


by kydoc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:57:54 PM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

I still don't like this "wait until the absentees are counted" so-called "local practice."  

OTOH, Limbaugh voters are even worse.  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:52:23 PM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Monroe is still only reporting 67% precincts, it's a lot smaller than Lake but Obama is currently getting 66% of the vote there.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:53:59 PM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

If Obama won the rest of Monroe the way he did the first 2/3rds, that'd be another 2k votes. Unreal that 2k votes seems huge right now.


by KyleJRM on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:55:05 PM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Monroe County is the home of Bloomington and Indiana University.  It is an Obama stronghold.


by KTinOhio on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:57:22 PM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Exactly.


by Shaun Appleby on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:58:08 PM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Apparently, that first wave of Lake County votes was roughly "half" of Gary.

If the other half of Gary is outstanding, that would wipe out the lead and make it a dead heat, leaving the Clinton-leaning parts of Lake and a few outstandings votes elsewhere that may favor him.

This has got to be scripted. It's too perfect for drama.


by KyleJRM on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:54:14 PM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Where are you getting that info?


by yitbos96bb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:02:48 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Chuck Todd...  Doesn't anyone here watch MSNBC?


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:27:51 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I have great respect for Chuck Todd, but I don't have cable.  I'm listening to WFYI Indianapolis.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:30:35 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

My apologies...  Just there's been a lot of requests for links for stuff that was on MSNBC...

You're better off not having cable... believe me! :-)


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:33:49 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Oh, high speed internet provides enough addictions for me!


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:52:13 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Yeah, people were speculating earlier if some people, eg mayor of Gary, were withholding the vote #s for dramatic effect.

At the time I thought, "nah..."

Now?

Well, the dramatic effect is there, planned or not.


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:03:28 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I'm desperate to know how much of Gary has reported already, and how much still hasn't reported.  How much of Lake County is Gary, and how much not?


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:12:48 AM EST
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Russert says: (2.00 / 5)

HRC has cancelled all of her morning show appearences tomorrow.

This could be it, people.


by semiquaver on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:54:32 PM EST

Re: Russert says: (2.00 / 2)

Do you have a link for that?!


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:01:17 AM EST
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No link, but (2.00 / 2)

A witness. I heard it, too.


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:15 AM EST
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Re: Russert says: (2.00 / 1)

I believe russert cited a high-level HRC staffer by name, but I can't remember which.


by semiquaver on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:18 AM EST
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Re: Russert says: (2.00 / 3)

FOUND IT - http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 508/Russert_Clinton_cancels_morning_show _appearances.html

And Chris Matthews just said IT'S OVER . . . FWIW.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

wow (2.00 / 3)

Russert just called the primary race for Obama.


by semiquaver on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:12:07 AM EST
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Re: wow (2.00 / 1)

"We now know who the Democratic nominee is going to be . . ." - Russert JUST NOW on MSNBC.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:13:42 AM EST
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Re: wow (none / 0)

So that makes it "official" for MSNBC?


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:14:24 AM EST
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Re: wow (2.00 / 2)

If they start relegating her to a Huckabee role . . . it is over. Perception is reality.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:21:09 AM EST
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Re: wow (2.00 / 3)

Jerome, I respect zealous advocacy, but it's time for her to come to Jesus.

Geoffrey: [to Richard] You chivalric fool, as if it matters how a man falls down.

Richard: When the fall is all there is, it matters.

It's time to accept that the fall is all there is left for Hillary this cycle. And it's time for her to decide how she wants to fall--if she lands correctly, there's no reason the fall needs to be fatal.

by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:22:32 AM EST
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Recc'd for quoting a great movie. (2.00 / 1)

And I agree with the sentiment to boot.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:01:54 AM EST
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Re: Recc'd for quoting a great movie. (none / 0)

To be fair, I misquoted Geoffrey a bit (I was working from memory), but at least I got it much closer than Aaron Sorkin did in the "West Wing" episode where Bartlet and Toby quote it. But thanks either way!
by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:06:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Not official, but (2.00 / 2)

can you imagine another media narrative at this point? Realistically, I mean?


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:26:26 AM EST
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Re: Not official, but (2.00 / 1)

This should have been the media narrative two months ago!  And yet, it still wasn't there until now!

The change in narrative is a huge deal!


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:35:21 AM EST
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Re: wow (2.00 / 1)

MSNBC and just about everyone else. She lost her last chance tonight to make up any sort of delegate count, popular vote, or the spin game. She's broke, she's not going to get money out of tonight, and she lost any argument she might have had to the superdelegates. Pray tell Jerome - what other kind of way could this really be called?


by upstate girl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:34:49 AM EST
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Re: wow (none / 0)

I agree with Jerome on this one... until I hear the words from Hillary that she is dropping out this is still on.  The ONLY thing I can think of that would lead to her dropping is that the Obama campaign made the VP offer, she accepted and that's why the Unity theme was so strong in both their speeches.  But I only list that as 10% likely.  


by yitbos96bb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:45:42 AM EST
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Re: wow (2.00 / 3)

Well Ron Paul is still technically in the race too.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:03:11 AM EST
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Re: wow (none / 0)

This may be the fifth time they have deemed the contest over. This is not news.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:24:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I think it's different this time... (none / 0)

..don't you?

It's hard to convey tone in text, and that could be read as snarky, so I want to explain that I'm really interested in knowing whether or not you think it's different this time, and I'm not just being an ass (not intentionally, anyway).


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:29:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think it's different this time... (none / 0)

Yes it is different, but I am not ready to let go just yet.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:19:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's never been like this (2.00 / 2)

The media in general has been overly deferential to Clinton's chances at almost every opportunity.  After March 4, even though she didn't win in sufficient numbers to close the gap in a meaningful way while losing the only real opportunity to do so, they still portrayed it as a positive for her, and outside the numbers-talk with the delegate counters, didn't portray it as a dead-end ... just an uphill battle.  Ditto Pennsylvania.

This is the first time I've heard any of the anchors -- again, as opposed to the delegate counters like Chuck Todd -- declare it to be a done deal.


by Rorgg on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:54:36 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 2)

I know many are skeptical about the value of Intrade Election markets (I am not), but Hillary is collapsing there...

Obama's futures prices are skyrocketing


by AbeFroman on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:55:12 PM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Like it did in NH.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:25:17 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Only we are much, much later in the process. If it's any consolation (and if I were a Clinton supporter I'm sure it wouldn't be for me), I'm more and more convinced that Obama needs to have Hillary as his VP. She's excited too many people for all that energy to be just left behind.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Wed May 07, 2008 at 09:08:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Union County (none / 0)

Anyone know the story here?  Why are they not reporting?


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:56:29 PM EST

Re: Union County (none / 0)

Conspiracy Corner:
Could it be another Warren County Ohio where they're trying to figure out how many votes they need to steal for HRC to throw the election to her?
by nmonster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:56 AM EST
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Re: Union County (2.00 / 1)

Not many votes in Union County. Probably broken machines.


by elrod on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:11:50 AM EST
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Re: Union County (none / 0)

Seems a bit fishy...if they don't have that many votes to count why aren't they reporting results? Maybe they just have really crappy machines??


by nmonster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:14:20 AM EST
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however ... (none / 0)

Although the popular vote is getting extremely close, Hillary's still way up in Indiana delegates - probably as a result of winning certain areas by percentages that are over a certain threshold.

So:

1) popular vote - almost a wash

  1. delegates - Hillary
  2. spin - so far, Obama, in that the insurmountability of his delegate and popular vote leads is sinking in more

Of course, popular vote is almost a wash in IN, but in NC Obama has already more than negated the popular vote hit he took in PA.


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:57:33 PM EST

Re: however ... (none / 0)

so this is about delegates now?


by soros on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:59:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's always been about delegates (2.00 / 1)

Just offering some information.


McCain housing policy shaped by lobbyist.
by obsessed on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:13:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL (2.00 / 3)

It's about nailing shut every last hole, and riveting it over with sheet metal. Until there is no metric left with any ambiguity, i.e. until there is no available argument for HRC to use on the superdelegates, however bizarre, for some people the whole contest will be about the remaining metric wherein HRC has any kind of wiggle room.

And I don't blame her. The chance to be president of the USA doesn't come along often. The superdelegates will end the nomination contest when they're ready, probably quite soon. But HRC doesn't need to quit until that happens.

I do agree with the talking heads who say she should probably play nice from here on out, though.


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:13:33 AM EST
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Re: however ... (2.00 / 1)

Well it is a delegate race


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:59:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: however ... (none / 0)

Not really, I mean it is a delegate race for Obama to "run out the clock" on Clinton but it is a perception race for her and she took a big hit tonight.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:05:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: however ... (none / 0)

I thought HRC wanted us to count popular vote! Come on, let's make up our minds.


by craigk724 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:12:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: however ... (none / 0)

Actually Hillary is only +2 delegates according to DemConWatch.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:20:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: however ... (none / 0)

Clinton's delegate margin in Indiana is probably 2.  If Obama were to overtake her with the statewide vote, it would be a tie.


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:31:30 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I wonder what the hell is happening in Union County?? No results there either, and it's definitely HRC country...


by nmonster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:57:38 PM EST

True -- but what are we looking at (none / 0)

~7,000 votes there max?


by Molee on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:03:14 AM EST
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Re: True -- but what are we looking at (2.00 / 1)

Only if every person in the entire county voted.  It's a county of 7500 or so.


by KyleJRM on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Its population is only 7000 (none / 0)

I think its very Republican, so maybe 2k votes max.

So Clinton nets a few hundred votes there. But that might decide the state


John McCain
by MILiberal on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:05:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Its population is only 7000 (none / 0)

I smell a conspiracy...as I said above, could it be another Warren County Ohio 2004 lockdown where they waited 'til they found out how many votes they had to steal to deliver Ohio to Bush?? Stay tuned...


by nmonster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:22:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I think you need to recalibrate yer tinfoil hat (2.00 / 2)

There's just no reason for either candidate or their supporters to risk getting caught committing fraud.

Obama wins IN by tiny bit - almost certain nominee
Obama loses IN by tiny bit - same as above
Obama commits fraud and gets caught - HRC is nominee, Obama's career is over

and FWIW there's not much motivation for Clinton, either.


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:34:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think you need to recalibrate yer tinfoil ha (none / 0)

Hey, I didn't say I actually believe any of these theories  :) .  But you do have to wonder what those computerized voting machines are doing with our votes internally...I think at the very least we need random manual audits.


by nmonster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:36:54 AM EST
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Re: I think you need to recalibrate yer tinfoil ha (2.00 / 1)

Of paper ballots, I should say...no more paperless DRE's...


by nmonster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:38:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I think you need to recalibrate yer tinfoil ha (none / 0)

agreed 100%


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:47:23 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 4)

Now this is fun.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:00:04 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

I wish I was on the west coast tonight.


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:14:53 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I'm on the East coast.... of Australia.  It's been Wednesday here for over fourteen hours.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:19:15 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 2)

Please tell us how everything turned out.  We don't want to wait til Wednesday morning!


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:26:50 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I think we'll all know first thing in the morning.  Even Fox was writing Hillary's obituary tonight.  If she pulls this out she really is a battler, I'll give her that.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:31:25 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Im on the west over here in Perth.  Nice to see another from down under here!  I still have more than 9 hours to go in this day.


by pattonbt on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:42:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Yeah, we're ten years behind the rest of the world and 16 hours ahead of the US.  Actually, having Kevin has been a joy to my spirit after 12 years of the 'conga-line of suckholes.'  We did well with that.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:15:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Come on out!  It's beautiful!  And BLUE.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:31:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Yeah, it's only 9:30.

As the ads used to say "just one more reason to hate Californians."


the third eye does not weep. it knows.
by mijita on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:38:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

CNN is back on.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:01:42 AM EST

Hillaryis44 (2.00 / 4)

Check out Hillaryis44.

This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota
Wait a few minutes and use your browser's "Back" button or click here to try again.

If you are the webmaster, your account may have gotten this error for one or more of the following reasons:

   * Your account has used more than its share of the cpu in the past 60 second sliding window.
    * Your account has too many concurrent processes running simultanously.
    * Your account has consumed too much memory.
    * Your site was recently very busy trying to run inefficient scripts.

The solution would be to optimize your applications to use less CPU.
Adding appropriate indeces to your SQL tables can often help reduce CPU.
Using static .html documents instead of painful .php scripts will practically eliminate CPU usage.

Seems apropos.


by semiquaver on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:02:18 AM EST

Re: Hillaryis44 (none / 0)

That

Is

Hillarious!


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by chrisblask on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:31:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Mayor of Hammond just said she won Hammond by 600 votes.  That's not much for her at all.


by KyleJRM on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:04:00 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

That's terrible for Clinton if true.


by elrod on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:12:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

What is the population of Hammond?


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:13:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

83,000 people in Hammond. It's mostly white and working class.


by elrod on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:17:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

AND LOTS OF CASINOS!


by yitbos96bb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:51:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Seriously, its a nice little town.  


by yitbos96bb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:52:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

From the Fix at WaPo:


As the fate of a nailbiter Indiana primary -- and possibly the course of the Democratic race -- hung on his city, Gary Mayor Rudy Clay said just now that it might take a while yet to finish counting the vote in Lake County, which includes Gary, and said tonight his city had turned out so overwhelmingly for Barack Obama that it might just be enough to close the gap with Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"Let me tell you, when all the votes are counted, when Gary comes in, I think you're looking at something for the world to see," Clay, an Obama supporter, said in a telephone interview from Obama's Gary headquarters. "I don't know what the numbers are yet, but Gary has absolutely produced in large numbers for Obama here."

Clay said the results were late coming in from Lake County because of the large numbers of absentee ballots that had to be counted -- about 11,000. Under local practice, all of the cartridges from voting machines in Gary and nearby East Chicago are first collected at the local airport before being driven to the county headquarters to be tallied with the results from the rest of the county, he said. He said there were no major technical problems holding up the count.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:06:52 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Was Obama misquoted? Perhaps he meant "Indiana is the tie-maker"


by KyleJRM on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:10:01 AM EST

what a putz (none / 0)


by Molee on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:13:52 AM EST

Re: what a putz (2.00 / 1)

Now THAT nobody is going to dispute, but I still think he's right.
by Jay R on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:25:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So, is Zogby not an idiot now? (2.00 / 1)


by Bush Bites on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:14:21 AM EST

Re: So, is Zogby not an idiot now? (none / 0)

To paraphrase Josh... if he gets most of them wrong and a few exactly right he is terrible.


by Nindid on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:17:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Russert Calls The Race (none / 0)

Well, for good or for bad, if the media starts pulling the plug on this then the campaign is done. It was always going to be a dangerous move for Clinton to try and push for this in the current circumstances. With the media apparently jumping ship all at once it is over.


by Nindid on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:16:07 AM EST

Lanny Davis (2.00 / 3)

Wow, Lanny Davis is a walking disaster. I can't believe that the Clinton campaign is keeping him out there on CNN tonight. He looks and sounds awful.


by wasder on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:17:28 AM EST

Re: Lanny Davis (2.00 / 3)

He said he was "happy."

If that's happy, I was ecstatic when my dog died.


John McCain smells like mothballs.
by asherrem on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:20:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lanny Davis (2.00 / 1)

Lanny Davis has made my blood boil more than any other DEmocrat on tv, and that includes Carville. Lanny Davis has seemed to have this pure contempt for progressives in the party since his buddy Lieberman was opposed by Lamont. Why isnt Lanny Davis following his buddy lieberman to the McCain campaign?

I am willing to wager that lanny davis will vote McCain in case Obama seals this nomination.


by Pravin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:27:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Not a chance (2.00 / 1)

He isn't insane.

He will not vote for McCain.  He may not adore Obama, but he won't vote for a rightwing Republican.

And neither will I.


by Radiowalla on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:36:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lanny Davis (none / 0)

Ya, they need to send him home.  Picking fights with David Gergen.  "Ecstatic" about the momentum of the race, etc.

Was kinda fun though to see David (Mr. Monotone) Gergen get exercised.


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:30:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lanny Davis (none / 0)

Gergen impressed me tonight actually.


by wasder on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:08:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lanny Davis (none / 0)

I like him.  I liked watching Gergen & Shields on the News Hour and liked the fact that he went to work in the Clinton WH, putting country above party.  Or, at least, I liked that spin.  Of course, can't say I'd 'like' Democrats working in the Bush WH, so that pretty much confirms the fact that I'm a hypocrite.  Starting to get late....


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:28:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

poor hillary (none / 0)

it must feel like 500,000 people dying for her.

(or maybe being hit by a cluster bomb.)


by ignu on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:17:34 AM EST

Nasty comment (2.00 / 2)

and unlikely to win converts to your cause.


by Radiowalla on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:37:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Tonight's loser . . . THE GOP (2.00 / 14)


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:18:01 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 12)

Whether Clinton wins Indiana by 2%, 1%, 1/2% or whether Obama squeaks out a victory - it is all the same.  The race in effectively over.  Clinton had to have the exact opposite results to continue to challenge Obana - a big win in Indiana and close in NC.

It is time for Edwards and Gore to endorse Obama and for Clinton to concede.  We do not need primaries in West Virginia and Kentucky where Obama may still lose by double digits.  What good will they do?

PS - This comes from a Clinton supporter.


by johnnygunn on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:19:30 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 3)

As an Obama supporters I have no problems contests taking place, just as long as both sides turn their guns on McCain.  Watching them fight in the dirt over those states would make the entire party look stupid.


by Homebrewer on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:23:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Yep. I haven't voted yet, dammit. But they should go after McCain 100%


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:36:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 4)

I applaud your honesty and devotion to our party's ideals.  I agree it is time for us to come together and stop fighting amongst each other to attempt, against all odds, to change the result.  Continuing our infighting will only empower McCain.  I would be saying the same thing if Obama were in Clinton's position.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:23:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The dread satan Kos (none / 0)

was suggesting that Clinton stays on for Kentuck and west Virginia, where she is assured victories anyway (even if she suspends her campaign or drops out) - double digit losses for Obama the Nominee wouldn't look good.

If nothing dramatic has changed by Oregon it would be time for her to drop out


by grass on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:23:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I like a good battle, but (2.00 / 1)

that would just be silly.  Sure, let's spend another few weeks having a leading Dem trash the presidential nominee.

I know it is a slow sport, but there isn't any 30-second touchdown that will fix this. Ya done good, now let's worry about the party.

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:28:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Nah, let her run it out... (none / 0)

heck, she can stay in until it's absolutely clinched and beyond, as far as I'm concerned as long as they're both attacking McCain instead of each other.


by Rorgg on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:00:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Happy to Mojo you, Johnny.

You said it best, I won't beat the horse...


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by chrisblask on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:25:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Johnny... (2.00 / 2)

...you've been an asset to your candidate....I will be glad when we can go after McCain together


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:32:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

hear, hear! (2.00 / 1)

We've practiced on each other, like lion cubs fighting/playing with each other as they learn to hunt. And when the cubs grow up, and it's too dangerous for them to roughhouse with each other anymore, well that's when it's time for them to go after the gazelle together.

Not a perfect metaphor, but piss off; it's late.


by kydoc on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:41:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: hear, hear! (none / 0)

Wildebeast.


by johnnygunn on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:27:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

"The cartridges from  Gary and East Chicago" - are these the paper-trail-less machines that are impossible to recount, that CNN just talked about? Hmmmmm


by ellend818 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:24:09 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

WFYI thinks they're old machine and those are ink cartridges for printers they're referring to.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:33:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

All this minor vote changes from this point on is merely temporary bragging rights. What counts is Obama looks to split the delegates in the state regardless of what happens from this point on.

50.5 versus 49.5. Who cares what the final vote total is for Obama. He has an effective tie in a system which is not winner take all.


by Pravin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:25:06 AM EST

Wow - they're talking about Hillary (2.00 / 1)

in the past tense. It's over.


by Bee on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:27:01 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Won't be a declaration until tomorrow at least.  With their ridiculous ID law they have quite a number of provisional ballots to deal with, and in a lot of cases that will mean waiting for people to show up at elections offices over the next week with proper ID.


by decisivemoment on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:29:34 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Obama Wins Indiana
by BooMan
Tue May 6th, 2008 at 11:50:01 PM EST

I'm calling it. With only 28% of Lake County precincts reporting, Obama trails by a mere 20,000 votes. He picked up a net +18,000 votes just from that initial 28%. It's over. Obama dealt Clinton the death blow. At long last!!


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by shergald on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:29:45 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

ah, send him this:

Lake County: 316 out of 561 reporting

Lake county
Democratic candidates
President of the
United States
Barack Obama 46,759
Hillary Clinton 25,100

Obama only gained 3,000 on the next wave, after the first 158 precincts reported.


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:32:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

And that's "Almost all of Gary and Merrillville and portion of Munster primarily make up these numbers, plus Lake Station, East Chicago" reporting.


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:34:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Its early but you have to think the 11,000 absentees favor him...and he'll get 3,000-4,000 more from bloomington.

This could be decided in triple digits.


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:34:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I just noticed that Monroe County is only 67% reported.  Obama is winning that country 66/34.  That could yield Obama about 2,000 votes.  Add on what could be an extra 1,200 votes from Marion country and the margin is down to about 17,000 votes.


by RussTC3 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:33:01 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Looks like he just gained 3,000 votes from Monroe which is now at 98% reported.  He did better on that last batch than his prior tally.


by RussTC3 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:35:25 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Scratch that, it adds up correctly and we are indeed at around 17,000.


by RussTC3 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:36:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

precincts aren't equally weighted in terms of population. Expect the final few that report to be larger and more pro-obama then the last few.


!
by alex100 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:37:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Absentee ballots from IU students. School was out of session and many students voted a few weeks ago.

But 16,000 may be too much to overcome with 56% of Lake County in.

And what's happening with Union County?


by elrod on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:40:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

yeah... (none / 0)

Union shoudl have gotten some results.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:41:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

<17k votes in IN now.

lovely.


!
by alex100 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:35:55 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Sen. Clinton's Email tonight did not ask for Money.


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:39:48 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Did you somehow miss the big red button?  You like running around repeating something you read somewhere else without even knowing?


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:46:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Nope I got the email and checked when it was said on TC... there was no ask.  The format was the same as always


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:48:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

her speech did!


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:58:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

No money ask in e-mail to supporters.

Canceled morning appearances.

It's over.


by leshrac55 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:41:36 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

Quite lying. http://static.hillaryclinton.com/email/i mages/button_contribute.gif


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:44:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I apologize if I was misinformed... I'm basing this on the letter that was read on MSNBC a few moments ago.  If you want to prove me wrong, I stand corrected...

Unfortunately, the link you sent me to is just a gif that says "contribute".  Exactly what are you showing me?


by leshrac55 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:48:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I got the email.  It does have a link to contribute.  I think the media is referring to the fact that she doesn't explicitly ask for money in the letter itself like she usually done.

The letter reads:

Dear XXX,

Tonight's victory in Indiana was close, and a margin that narrow means just one thing: every single thing you did to help us win in Indiana helped make the difference.

Every call you made, every friend you spoke to about our campaign, every dollar you contributed made tonight's victory possible. And I couldn't be more thankful for your hard work.

Every time we've celebrated a victory, we've celebrated it together. And tonight is no exception. This victory is your victory, this campaign is your campaign, and your support has been the difference between winning and losing.

Thank you so much for making this campaign possible. Let's keep making history together.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton



by DreamsOfABlueNation on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:55:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Ah, ok.  Well, I stand corrected (sort of) then.

Out of curiosity, how many post-election e-mails has she sent that didn't explicitly ask for money?  I'm not saying that they necessarily haven't... I honestly don't know.


by leshrac55 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:59:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I can't recall any.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:06:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

It has a concession-like tone to the email.


by montana36 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:00:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I think he's talking about the text of the e-mail

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/05/clintons_fundraising_email. php

...and does it really matter anyway?  The media seem to have finally capitulated.


by randomscientist on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:52:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Its a common device to just have a short email (with no ask) and a big red button. Man, the media needs to go to bed.


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:58:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

One of the reasons why I love election nights so much is that they showcase the media at their worst--most ignorant and unprepared--making all kinds of funny mistakes.  I have 1992 and every general election night 1996-2006 on tape.  


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:02:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

So do some people posting right now.  Many people on here need a nap.


by yitbos96bb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:22:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I asked this above, but didn't see a response.  Has Hillary actually sent e-mails like you describe just after an election?  I'm pretty sure Obama never has.  If he loses, it's something like "We need help to continue fighting on" or something to that effect, and when he wins... well, it's pretty much the same thing I guess.  It seems like his win in NC tonight emboldened him, actually, as this is the first time I've seen him actually ask me for a full $100. =)


by leshrac55 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:25:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Ah, but what about Union County, that still hasn't reported!! The wildcard!
As a Hoosier, this is damned exciting, usually there's no drama, it's all decided, we go Rethuglican again, (yawn)
by nmonster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:42:27 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Kos Strike it Over


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by cardboard 1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:43:52 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 1)

my hat's off to Poblano. The best damn "poll" out there.


!
by alex100 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 12:45:53 AM EST

Some Good News For Clinton Supporters (none / 0)

Lake County will probably put Obama over the top. However, the reason for the delay is that they waited to report the results until they counted the absentee ballots. Other parts of the state did not wait to count the absentee ballots before reporting their results. Thus, Clinton may regain the lead in the next coming days.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:00:17 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

He can't catch up:

"There are still 7,000 absentee ballots to count, but all of Gary results are in."


by Jerome Armstrong on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:00:23 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Lots of provisionals out there, thanks to the ID thing.  Obama might win it, but it doesn't matter.  He's got the nomination.


by Led Nudd on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:04:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Mayor of Gary is saying 11,000 out


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:06:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

You have a lot of water to carry for Barry when this thing wraps up.


by checkfortraps on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:08:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Oh my, did you folks look at the GOV's race:
Jim Schellinger 537,773 - 50 percent
Jill Long Thompson 537,164 - 50 percent

609 votes separating the two.

!!!


by RussTC3 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:03:58 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

I wish you could edit posts...

Democratic voters in Indiana sure are split aren't they?!


by RussTC3 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:07:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Yes, and look what a close race right-wing nut Dan Burton (IN-5) had.  He only won 52% of his own party's voters after holding the seat since 1982.  On WFYI they were saying no one can remember such a close gubernatorial primary.  Apparently Schellinger was ahead but Thompson surged with late momentum.  The winner is going to need some real $$$ to fight Mitch Daniels though.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:11:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

This is all really much ado about nothing... I want to see Obama win Indiana, but the 3 delegate margin is not a big deal. Hillary needed to pick up some delegates, but instead she fell further behind thanks to Obama's big win in North Carolina.

There is no path to the nomination for Hillary.

by power of truth on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:06:26 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (2.00 / 2)

It doesn't matter anymore.  Hillary may win by 1 point, or Obama may win by 1 point, or it might wind up somewhere in between.

All of the pundits are delivering their eulogies on Clinton's Campaign this evening.  There may be 30 seconds left on the clock, but Obama's up by a touchdown and just intercepted the ball.

It's over.

Barack Obama became the presumptive nominee this evening, and NOBODY is calling this a race anymore...

In the next week, Obama will probably overtake Hillary on superdelegates, Hillary's funds will dry up, her own advisers are going to start to tell her to step aside, and shortly after May 20th when Obama wins Oregon and locks up an ABSOLUTE majority of pledged delegates, she will concede.

It's unity time everybody.  Barack Obama is the nominee.


by Obamaphile on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:09:42 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

with 99% she is up by 22K.  She will take the state in a close one.  

Indiana is pretty much over.


by yitbos96bb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:10:34 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

MSNBC just called it for Clinton.


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:11:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That's it..Clinton reversed the trend.. (none / 0)

winning by 22000 now...98% of Lake County in..Obama winning 55% - 45%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primari es/results/state/#IN


by louisprandtl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:11:21 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Clinton won...but can you report the full percentage


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by cardboard 1 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:12:15 AM EST

Associated Press calling Indiana for HRC!!! (none / 0)

http://www.nytimes.com/


by louisprandtl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:13:02 AM EST

Re: Associated Press calling Indiana for HRC!!! (none / 0)

Its a win, but its really a win that seems like a loss.  The opposite of Bill in NH in 1992.


by yitbos96bb on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:23:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

A win is a win...if HRC lost by even (none / 0)

a vote, it would have been a bigger damper for her campaign..


by louisprandtl on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:34:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Clinton Wins - She Did Her Best (none / 0)

It was a hard fought primary season, but now it's over.

The final percentage on Indiana hardly matters at this point.

Hillary has been and will continue to be a dynamic Senator that all New Yorkers can be proud of.

Thanks Hillary!


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by BentLiberal on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:14:36 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Lake's just about all in now.  Hillary increased her lead there.  Networks should call it for her momentarily I'd say.

What I think happened is the mayor of Gary tried to momentarily show Obama with a lead, so they held the county as long as possible and when they released results, it was just Gary.

Didn't work, but it successfully created the impression that the state was in doubt.  Probably succeeded in what he was aiming for.


by DaveOinSF on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:14:36 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Remember that even before including Lake County she was up by just 39,000 votes.


by RussTC3 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:16:02 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Yeah.  Lake County held out until as much of Bloomington and Indianapolis came in and Obama had closed to within 39,000.  Then they released just the pro-Obama precincts from Lake before they released the pro-Hillary ones.  They had hoped that Obama would come close enough in Indianapolis and Bloomington so that Gary would put Obama momentarily on top before the pro-Hillary Lake Co. precincts came in.  Didn't quite work, but it did successfully leave the outcome in doubt for long enough.


by DaveOinSF on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:30:05 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON!!!


by craigk724 on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:14:49 AM EST

Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

Because she lost North Carolina badly and barely won a state she was supposed to walk away with??  That just sounds Orwellian.  Is this also a great night for Dennis J. Kucinich?


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by Sandwich Repairman on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:34:29 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

(it was a joke)


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:30:29 AM EST
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Re: Indiana Results Thread Number Three (none / 0)

my mistake.


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by Sandwich Repairman on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:10:30 AM EST
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Re: MSNBC Calls Indiana For Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

$100 says she quits before Memorial Day.

It's over.  Winning Indiana by 1.75 points ain't gonna cut it.

Even with FL & MI, Obama wins the pledged delegate race and the popular vote.


by Obamaphile on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:20:48 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls Indiana For Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

As a Hoosier Obama supporter I really wanted to see Obama carry my state, but we could do worse than Hillary...like McLame, for example...


by nmonster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:27:27 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls Indiana For Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

That was disappointing.  After all the build up, saying Lake will have over 180k votes and it ends up they have 120k.


by matchles on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:48:16 AM EST

Reconciliation Begins Tonight (none / 0)

The Democratic Primary is over and Barack Obama is the nominee. That is the hard truth that we must all face from this day forward. There are no options left that Hillary Clinton can win the nomination.

Starting tonight--right now--we must all come together and rally around the flag to elect President Obama for the good of our nation. Any further fighting and bickering will only continue to increase John McCain's slim chances. Our next president can and will move our country in the right direction, and the person to do that is Barack Obama.

We come together tonight.


by Pittsburgh Soldier on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:15:05 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Calls Indiana For Hillary Clinton (none / 0)

I honestly felt quite bad for HRC this evening.  No one of her stature should be reduced to begging for money in such a public fashion.  


by tired of dynasties on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:21:50 AM EST


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