MyDD :: CBS News Projects Clinton Win in Indiana

Because Senator Clinton has an 8% lead but there are no (as in, no) returns yet from the Chicago suburbs thru South Bend, four counties with a total population that exceeds 1,000,000.

And they probably remember Missouri ...

by Collideascope on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST
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Wow big surprise, Clinton was expected to win Indiana, this changes nothing...

just kidding. This is a good win for her, obviously she isn't dropping out anytime soon, she'll keep campaigning as long as she keeps winning states.

Just making fun of the people who dismissed North Carolina earlier.

by Skaje on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:17:52 PM EST

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It's about time. Between the exit polls and her 12 pt lead with 42% of the vote counted, I'm surprised it took them so long.

by LakersFan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:17:53 PM EST

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I think because the cities are not in yet, or barely.

by mady on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:20:21 PM EST
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um (none / 0)

10% lead now with 47% reporting

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:23:43 PM EST
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Missouri (none / 0)

She was up by 12 percent with 78 percent reporting in Missouri.

Just saying.

by aimeeinkc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:29:43 PM EST
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8% now with 52% in.

Obama won't win this, but it could be 52-48 by the end of the night when northwest Indiana (Gary) comes in.

by Skaje on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:36:39 PM EST
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6% with 65% in.

51%-49% is even possible.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:57:05 PM EST
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Clinton wins the tie-breaker, Indiana.

No one knows where Obama's 25% lead in NC will end up when all the votes are counted. If it's under 15% in a state that's so heavily Black, with Blacks unanimously supporting Barack Obama, Hillary has a moral victory.

2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.

by BPK80 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:18:49 PM EST

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Rofl. Yeah.

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by Lord Hadrian on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:20:00 PM EST
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Totally.

http://www.yawnmccain.com

by enozinho on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:21:15 PM EST
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Because, what she really needs right now is "moral" victories!

Actually, just seems like the candidates have their demographic blocs locked in and we'll just keep doing this til June.

It's just the beat of time, the beat that must go on
If you've been trying for years, we already heard your song

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:22:31 PM EST
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There are only six primaries left. It is a bit late in the game for "moral victories".

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:24:01 PM EST
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I would think if she got under 10%, you could say she did okay. 15% is not very good.

Since demography seems to be a determinant this season, one could say the same about Indiana for Obama, where there are relatively few black voters (less than 10%, I think), although it appears that whites are more willing to vote for the black candidate than vice versa.

by TomP on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:24:01 PM EST
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... yes, well, there are not enough black voters in the battleground states to win in November.

I think that's Clinton's argument to the super delegates.

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by kristoph on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:32:57 PM EST
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That assumes this racial split continues into a general election. I don't think it will, but predictions are inherently uncertain. Time will tell.

The Democratic Party needs to be unified in the general election.

by TomP on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:44:24 PM EST
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i agree

clinton had the moral victory

by hillaryfighter on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:25:08 PM EST
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It will tighten (none / 0)

The NC vote tally so far is heavy on the early voting, which went to BO strongly, and these returns are heavy on the research triangle area.

99% perspiration

by DaveOinSF on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:36:52 PM EST
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Isn't a "moral victory," another name for a loss.

And speaking of sports analogies, I wonder if she would like to take back that "bet on the filly" comment?

by IowaMike on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:58:34 PM EST
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I'm more entertained with how Hillary will spin her massive loss in NC.. which she has openly stated is a "game changer"

**Stop the Drama.. Vote Obama**

by Winterblink on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:01:09 PM EST
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NC is only 35% black
so if she was so strong with whites she should take a good chunk of that 65% remaining right?

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by wellinformed on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:02:16 PM EST
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For all the fights on blogs, it appears that nothing much was shown by the day.

The show moves on. West Virginia and Kentucky next?

by TomP on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:20:41 PM EST

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West Virginia, followed by Kentucky and Oregon. Then a couple of Western states. It looks sort of split from here on in, certainly nothing that can dent his delegate lead as far as primaries.

by mady on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:24:13 PM EST
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You said it. That's the 'take-away' from tonight, the media is slow but they know a narrative when they see it.

by Shaun Appleby on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:26:25 PM EST
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Something did change today the delegate hill that Hillary must climb just got even steeper.

It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama

by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:26:23 PM EST
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Obama is going to get a huge chunk of delegates and popular votes out of tonight, even with the loss in Indiana. Today was not inconsequential.

by Skaje on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:38:08 PM EST
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did not obama have lead in this state after pa?

10% black vote also voted for obama 90% ???

by hillaryfighter on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:21:29 PM EST

SUSA (none / 0)

had her up 16% in Indiana right after the Pennsylvania primary.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:24:51 PM EST
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Re: SUSA (none / 0)

oh did they?
i always followed zogby.
they were showing him 2 or 1 point higher than clinton ,

by hillaryfighter on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:27:19 PM EST
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Zogby (none / 0)

had him winning Pennsylvania and California, so this Obama supporter doesn't trust Zogby.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:48:38 PM EST
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This would, I believe, be the first time that Obama's famous spreadsheet failed to predict the correct winner.

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by Steve M on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:24:32 PM EST

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They had Clinton winning Maine.

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:25:06 PM EST
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Also, their estimates were off considerably in some states. Overall, the spreadsheet underestimated the number of delegates Obama was to win.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:37:47 PM EST
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After 40+ states I'll slide him one mistake.

by Skaje on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:38:55 PM EST
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Can we all agree (none / 0)

that Zogby and Insider Advantage just suck?

by Cleveland John on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:25:06 PM EST

Re: Can we all agree (none / 0)

Zogby had Obama winning NC big. It looks like they got it right.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:59:08 PM EST
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She'll stay in long enough to squeeze more funds out of her supporters just so she won't finish in debt and her campaign can pay her back that 5 mil she loaned herself.

Obama/Warner 2008

by MissVA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:26:24 PM EST

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The news is that she is going broke again.

Obama/Warner 2008

by MissVA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:27:00 PM EST

I think this is a correct call...i think if (none / 0)

Senator Obama wins Indiana, he has to win overwhelmingly Newton and Lake county. And he has to add to his margin or maintain it in Marion county.

If he does not do that, i think CBS calling Indiana for Senator Clinton is a correct call.

So, again a split night.

These two candidates are just too good and people like both of them and are splitting their votes between them. One has yet to land a knock out and flatten his/her opponent. And i don't think it will happen. It will be a victory by points, even if we extend this race for 16 more months.

I am kind of tired of this race really. I think if both candidates get on the same ticket that would be a solution for everyone and it will be the best healing remedy for the party. Again, i am just speculating right now.

by likelihood zero on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:29:14 PM EST

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a split night that Obama walks away with more delegates and votes.

by IowaMike on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:00:41 PM EST
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Elkhart County, IN - Poblano predicted C +10...turned out to be O +18 with 96% of the vote in.

This is where Obama deployed his new strategy the 'family man'.
He went door to door canvassing there. Finishing off with a townhall picnic. It's worked wonders for him it seems.

Obama/Warner 2008

by MissVA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:29:30 PM EST

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In Indiana, Clinton wins over 65 by 72-28, but LOSES voters under 65, albeit narrowly,

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by politicsmatters on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:36:28 PM EST

The Margin has shrunk to 8% in Indiana (none / 0)

and CNN isn't calling it yet.

It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama

by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:36:29 PM EST

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its because the rest cant face that Obama got WRECKED in Indiana

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:37:05 PM EST

Seriously (none / 0)

he won St. Joseph County...he won South Bend, Catholic Norte Dame "Clinton County."

He won it by about the same margin she looks to win the state by.

So basically, she got WRECKED in South Bend, didn't she?

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:54:42 PM EST
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stop with your Obama worship. He won south bend because of the Obamalite college kids at Notre Dame.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:03:06 PM EST
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But did she (none / 0)

get WRECKED there by your definition?

and why do "Obamalite college kids at Notre Dame" mean anything less than rural voters in say Clay County? Isn't that why she won THERE?

The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.

by nrafter530 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:22:35 PM EST
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Re: But did she (none / 0)

when they come out and put Obama over the top, then they'll matter. young voters almost never come out

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:28:00 PM EST
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exhibit a: George McGovern 1972

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:28:17 PM EST
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A Clinton Win in Indiana? (none / 0)

Northwest Indiana hasn't reported yet.

It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama

by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 08:39:07 PM EST

margin at 6% with 68% of vote in (none / 0)

This does not look like a good night for HRC. Some are floating the possibility of an upset. Although that probably won't happen it might get close enough to make it a tense night.

Obama will come out of tonight with more votes and more delegate. The margin in Indiana may prompt some of the super to finally jump in.

should be interesting

"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"

by xenontab on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:17:46 PM EST

MSNBC (none / 0)

Just changed Indiana from too early to call, to TOO CLOSE TO CALL!

by IowaMike on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:19:27 PM EST

Oh mama (none / 0)

margin down to 36,000 votes. Still probably too much to overcome, but if it gets down to a 2 point win, this would not be a victory that would sway the supers.

"You might well think that. I couldn't possibly comment"

by xenontab on Tue May 06, 2008 at 09:58:55 PM EST
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