Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Oregon Poll

Today is obviously election day in North Carolina and Indiana, but looking ahead to Oregon, which appears to be about the only remaining even medium-sized state after today's contests that will be seriously contested by both campaigns, new numbers show Barack Obama leading, though not overwhelmingly.

The first Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of the Oregon Democratic Presidential Primary shows Barack Obama enjoying a twelve-point lead over Hillary Clinton. It's Obama 51%, Clinton 39%.

Clinton has a statistically insignificant lead among senior citizens while Obama leads among younger voters. Obama does best among upper income voters while

Clinton's strongest support comes from those who earn less than $40,000 annually.
Obama is viewed favorably by 78% of the state's Likely Primary Voters, Clinton by 71%. Fifty percent (50%) of Obama voters have a favorable opinion of Clinton while 56% of Clinton voters hold a positive view of Obama.

Eighty-two percent (82%) say that if Clinton is the nominee, they will vote for her over John McCain in the fall. An identical number, 82%, say they will vote for Obama over McCain.

At this point there simply is not enough public data available at this juncture to get a complete feel on the race in Oregon. SurveyUSA released two polls, one early in the month and one later on, showing Obama leading by 10 points and 6 points in the state, respectively. The more recent SUSA poll, in particular, doesn't exactly gibe with the results from Rasmussen (though differences in methodology as well as standard sampling errors might account for some of that.

For whatever it's worth, Rasmussen did better than any other pollster in nailing the gubernatorial race in Oregon in 2006, with its final poll showing Democratic incumbent Ted Kulongoski defeating his Republican challenger Ron Saxton 51 percent to 44 percent (the final spread was 51-43), so I'm not terribly inclined to write off these numbers. Nevertheless, it's probably worth waiting for at least another poll or two to emerge out of the state -- particularly polling conducted after today's results (though not too long after because balloting in Oregon has already started) -- before making a real hard prediction about the state of the race in the Beaver state.



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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

right on cue. Saw the headline, knew it was a Singer diary<sup>TM</sup>.


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by alex100 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:21:47 PM EST

Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (2.00 / 2)

how about looking ahead to Kentucky where surveyusa has her crushing Obama 62 - 28 in their poll released today .

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRepo rt.aspx?g=602e0e00-1895-4c69-81cc-96bcae 6aee9d

Just because I like the poll better and its a sister

state.

lol


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by lori on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:23:27 PM EST

Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (2.00 / 1)

sorry, it's armstrong or beeton's job to post those polls.

in any regard, it goes back to the point of what Singer is trying to get. It's the last mid-sized state that either candidate will try and contest.

everyone knows KY and WV are strong, strong Hillary states.


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by alex100 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:27:25 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (2.00 / 1)

You'll never convince me that there's not a strong racial element to the voting in Kentucky.  

I spent a summer there once, and that was enough to leave, shall we say, a lasting impression of the populace.


by Lawyerish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:33:27 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

I won't suggest their is not an element of racial voting as well as gender based voting .

It is not limited to dixie or Appalachia alone.

Kerry didn't play too well in these parts and he is caucausian.

Most folks vote their values and for some reason some don't see him sharing their values ( or see Clinton more in line with their values ).

These communities are also aging communities , largely rural and has more women in the population . All demographics that favor Clinton.

Ultimately it is the values issue , I can't tell you how many folks I have met that think he is Unpatriotic and has a disdain for working folks.

Rev. Wrigth and his bitter comments would have more effect in KT and WV because it only reinforces the skepticism in these parts about smooth talking politician


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by lori on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:43:31 PM EST
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You are correct. (none / 0)

A summer is absolutely enough time to get to know and judge people and label and dismiss people an entire state or region full of people who are, perhaps, different from you.  

No further investigation is necessary.  Not at all.


by mgee on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:47:40 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

Excuse me, are you calling the people of Kentucky racists?


by cc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:02:12 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

Short answer: some of them, yes.


by Lawyerish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:07:26 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

Why not dismiss the results in every state, since there are some racists in every one of them? And the particular anger at Kentucky is based on you passing through there once? What about North Carolina and Indiana, are you sure the folks (black and white) there are less racist than the people in Kentucky?


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by fairleft on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:19:18 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

You know, there are latinos in this country, too.

It's just a black and white issue anymore.

Why do you always pretend latinos don't exist?


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:28:09 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

Having been in both places, I think rather then use loaded terms like "racist" I think it's clearly a fact Oregon is more "multi-cultural" then Kentucky-Larger populations of folks from other countries AND more population (particularly in the metros) with folks with experience with international business?

Same way WA was good for Barrack, and the same reason he NOW leads Clinton in CA polling?

The more worldly the voter, the more experience with cultures other then the US, the more international business experience and international travel, the more they feel comfortable with someone "that doesn't look like them" in a position of power.


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by WashStateBlue on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:17:53 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

The bluer the state, the better Democratic primary results for Obama. All states either Clinton or Obama will win in the general election. Swing states are what November is about. I thought Kentucky was one of those.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:21:15 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

Neither Senator Clinton nor Senator Obama will carry Kentucky in the fall. It's red-red-red.

She may have a shot at Arkansas, Obama may have a shot in Virginia...Those seem to me to be the southern states in play?


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by WashStateBlue on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:27:20 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

It's "Barely GOP" according to this website:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Cl inton/Maps/May05.html

Bill Clinton won the state in 92 and 96.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:34:55 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

Never trusted that site since this:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2004/au g/aug14.html

I think surely in that climate, those folks WILL vote for the White Woman against the Black Man in Kentucky?

I have a lot of problem visualizing them voting for THIS women against a decorated war hero in the fall....


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by WashStateBlue on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:12 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

>> The bluer the state, the better Democratic
>> primary results for Obama. All states either
>> Clinton or Obama will win in the general
>> election. Swing states are what November is
>> about. I thought Kentucky was one of those.

Yes, Obama only wins in deep-blue states like Colorado, Virginia, South Carolina, Mississippi, and Georgia.  /eyeroll

Of course, when Obama won those states, the official Clinton campaign spin was "Well, those are all red states that the Democratic nominee won't carry in the fall anyway."

Maybe your new spin can be "Obama only wins in deep blue or deep red states"?


by Frood on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:27:56 PM EST
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Oh no. (none / 0)

Going there again today are we?  Lord save us from identity politics.  We clearly cannot have a discussion about demographic preferences without accusations of racism beginning to fly.

There are racists in the South. Horrors!
They will not vote for a black man.  Stop the presses!


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by jarhead5536 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:32:50 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

And I think WV is before Oregon and I saw polls with Clinton crushing Obama there as well.

So will two likely 20-30 point victories lead to momentum for Hillary going into Oregon?  I honestly have no idea.  But it seems possible.


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:50:52 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

West Virginia's primary is May 13.  Kentucky's primary is May 20, the same day as Oregon, I believe.  So, just one primary between today and Oregon.  


by mgee on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:10:23 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

Good to know.  I'm sorry I was confused about the dates.  Thank you.  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:49:59 PM EST
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A little late in the game to (none / 0)

be worried about gaining momentum, isn't it?


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:54:06 PM EST
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12 points is "not overwhelming?" (2.00 / 0)

Good to know.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:31:42 PM EST

Re: 12 points is "not overwhelming?" (none / 0)

i'm not sure that this poll is at all accurate. I'll place my bets that the SUSA poll is closer to correct.


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by alex100 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:51:44 PM EST
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12 Points sounds a little on the low side (2.00 / 1)

I think 16%-18% would be more like it.


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by Lefty Coaster on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:38:43 PM EST

Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (2.00 / 2)

Oregon's gonna be a tough state for Hillary, but what's the justification to post a 3-day old poll and title it as a "New Oregon Poll"?


by markjay on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:40:14 PM EST

Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

I love Singer's diaries. He is so level headed good boy.


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:46:04 PM EST

Oregon (none / 0)

I am going down there to volunteer this weekend.  Voters have until May 20th to drop their ballots off so it's not too late to GOTV!  


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:49:06 PM EST

Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points (2.00 / 1)

I live in the southern end of the state (nowhere near Portland) and it's pretty quiet here.  Bill Clinton and Obama visited this region in March.  Both drew well.  Hillary is coming on Thursday.  There are a couple of Obama ads on television, and one Clinton ad.  Obama's began running a week or ten days before Clinton's.  They are both fuzzy positive ads and really would have little to no impact, in my opinion.

I don't get the feeling that passions are running amok.  People seem to get along and there is little of the animosity you see in BlogWorld.

I would be surprised if Obama doesn't win Oregon, but in a way it doesn't seem like much focused campaigning has happened yet, and that of course could move the numbers around and the margin could be smaller than 12%.

Ballots arrived in mail last week for the most part.  My vote for Hillary is already in.

I don't think race will play much of a part here either for or against either candidate.  There isn't much of an AA population here, the largest ethnic minority is Hispanic.  The older, white, working class voters in this state are overwhelmingly Republican... unfortunately... or at least it seems like that down here in Red Oregon Land.


by Susan in Oregon on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:50:38 PM EST

Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (2.00 / 1)

As if this is news?

Kentucky has more delegates than Oregon and he's likely to get blown out there.

But it's all about Oregon!


by GregNYC on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:55:46 PM EST

Exactamundo (2.00 / 1)

Don't forget about West Virginia next weak as well.

Are you ready for Clinton by 50 points? Well get ready because it is going to happen.

Can you say blowout?


by dMarx on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:02:21 PM EST
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Re: Exactamundo (none / 0)

Personally, I am excited to see Hillary pretend to be a coal miner and/or a coal miner's daughter.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:30:18 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (2.00 / 2)

Nope. No it doesn't. Kentucky has 51 pledged delegates, and 69 total delegates. Oregon has 52 pledged delegates, 74 total delegates.


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by Jonathan Singer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:04:11 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

But the spread for Clinton will be huge. She has been taking over 70% of the white working class vote in Appalachia.

So Clinton will pick up way more delegates in Kentucky and West Virginia than Obama will in NC or Oregon.

And the momentum thing ... forgeddaboutit!!


by dMarx on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:06:18 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

>> So Clinton will pick up way more delegates in
>> Kentucky and West Virginia than Obama will in NC
>> or Oregon.

No, she won't.  One of the vagaries of the district-based delegate allocation system is that while you can get a blowout in the popular vote, it's very hard to get a blowout in the delegate distribution.  See for example Ohio and Pennsylvania, where Clinon's 10%-margin popular vote wins only translated to delegate advantages of 6% and 8%, respectively.


by Frood on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:37:17 PM EST
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Selective Looking Ahead (none / 0)

Wow, I guess you forgot to look ahead to West Virginia and Kentucky, where Clinton is way way way WAY UP!

That's okay. We understand.


by cc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:00:19 PM EST

Yeppers (none / 0)

Appalachia luvs Hill-Billies!


by dMarx on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:04:23 PM EST
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Re: Selective Looking Ahead (2.00 / 1)

"... the only remaining even medium-sized state after today's contests that will be seriously contested by both campaigns..." [emphasis added]


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by Jonathan Singer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:05:47 PM EST
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Don't forget Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Okay, it is not a state but 55 pledged delegates is more than Oregon.


by dMarx on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:13:06 PM EST
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Re: Don't forget Puerto Rico (none / 0)

Isn't Puerto Rico a winner take all delegates primary?


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:18:03 PM EST
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Re: Don't forget Puerto Rico (none / 0)

That gets asked every three or four days here, the answer is no.


by snaktime on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:26:21 PM EST
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Re: Don't forget Puerto Rico (none / 0)

It's impossible for me to read every single thread here.  But thanks for the answer.


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:27:16 PM EST
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Re: Selective Looking Ahead (none / 0)

Go ahead and look ahead there.  It's pretty myopic.

She has to win WV and KY, plus OR, SD, and PR all by 75% plus to even make a dent in Obama's lead.


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by fogiv on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:36:41 PM EST
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Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (none / 0)

clinton is doing a nice job of touching on very specific local issues that the obama campaign seems to have not focused on in favor of a massive ad/mailer/canvass/gotv strategy. i've been touched by the obama campaign half a dozen times--hillary? one robocall.

that said, i am still voting for obama.


end the blurring--vote steve novick for u.s. senate in oregon
by petrichor on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:20:04 PM EST

New Oregon Poll (none / 0)

Is this new?  I thought Rasmussen released an OR poll a few days ago?


by DaveOinSF on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:23:42 PM EST

Vote by Mail Changes the Dynamic (none / 0)

Whatever the impact that today's results might have, the voting in Oregon is well underway under their unique (and very cool) vote by mail system. I don't think there's good numbers out there about what portion of folks vote when, but it is very clear that many people have already voted.
by OaktownDad on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:29:23 PM EST

BIG DEAL - Oregon doesn't matter (2.00 / 1)

The state is a haven for rich economist who oppose Hillary's Alka-Seltzer relief plan.


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by Al Rodgers on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:41:53 PM EST

Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (2.00 / 1)

Oregon doesn't count, it's all "latte-sipping elites" over there.


"We have said since Iowa that this is a race for delegates."
-Howard Wolfson
by belicheat on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:46:32 PM EST

Re: Looking Ahead, Obama Up 12 Points in New Orego (2.00 / 1)

I thought Obama had some kind of problem with white voters?


by Skaje on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:49:20 PM EST

No need to poll Oregon. (2.00 / 1)

Obama wins it by 15%.


by Led Nudd on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:01:08 PM EST

Sinking ship (none / 0)

If Hillary takes Indiana with a commanding lead and just barely loses North Carolina, the superdelegates need to start defecting from Camp Obama and join Camp Clinton.

The Clintonista Post's prediction for tonight: Obama Campaign = the Red Star Line

See what the winning side looks like at http://clintonistapost.wordpress.com


by Clintonista on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:24:57 PM EST

Re: Sinking ship (none / 0)

>> If Hillary takes Indiana with a commanding lead
>> and just barely loses North Carolina, the
>> superdelegates need to start defecting from Camp
>> Obama and join Camp Clinton.

On what basis do they "need" to do that?

Were you telling the superdelegates they "needed" to rally around Obama when he won eleven straight contests after Super Tuesday?  Somehow I doubt it.


by Frood on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:40:03 PM EST
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