Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us!

As reported on blogs today, an Obama field coordinator sent out an e-mail memo yesterday that urges supporters to call in sick in order to GOTV.

The memo doesn't need an introduction but I want to offer a few thoughts anyway.

As a volunteer for the Hillary Clinton campaign I receive e-mails on a regular basis, and have never seen anything from that campaign that did not have a professional and factual tone and presentation.

When I saw this memo from the Obama campaign today, it just struck me as inappropriate and..well...creepy in places, such as... the forces against which we are waging do not go quickly or quietly into the night.

What?

The Obama memo reinforces my impression that his campaign may encourage supporters in a way which may be counter-productive.  On that note and off-topic, I came across an on-line comment from a North Carolina military voter today relaying his/her conversation with peers:

 "....But what suprised me the most is that one of the biggest things that turned alot of people off other than wright and the fact that they felt he was always on the defensive against Hillary, and not saying much...was his supporters. Yes, you are reading correctly. You have to understand about the surrounding areas of Fort Bragg. Alot of ex military and vets who when they deploy the internet is there best friend. So of course they are going to go online. Alot of people did not like the tone of his campaign site..." (all sic)

And now here's the memo, in part.  Although it's been published in full today on several sites, I have deleted the name of the field coordinator as well as detailed logistical information in the interest of privacy:


From: Obama Voice [mailto:obamavoice@...]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:37 PM
To: obamavoice@...
Subject: Time for Change. Time for Action

When I arrived in Charlotte I was immediately impressed by the grassroots organization that had already been established here.  Then, I could not have imagined the blood, sweat and tears that would be shed in the name of hope, to produce change. In just a few short minutes, your incredible field organizers and I will gather to review our game plan one final time.  In so doing, we will undoubtedly marvel in the growth and remarkable journey of this campaign here in North Carolina.  It is upon your shoulders that we have arrived at this critical point, and it is - once again - upon your shoulders that we will bring it home.

But please remember that the forces against which we are waging do not go quickly or quietly into the night. We cannot wait passively and idly hope for change to come. Heed the words of Senator Obama, recognize the fierce urgency of now, and be the change you hope to see. We are in a unique position to actually influence the outcome of this presidential primary, and in so doing, have an incredible influence on the future trajectory of this country.

And to do that we need your help. We need more of your blood, your sweat, and your tears. This weekend our Charlotte organization knocked on an incredible number of doors - but there are still many doors to knock, more stories to hear, more voters to inspire. So please join us as we knock on your neighbors doors and bring Senator Obama's message of hope, unity and change. There is nothing more effective than connecting with another voter and expressing your story. Only you can do that. You know how important this is! I know I don't have to ask, but I will one last time - please join us tomorrow. Call in sick if you have to and help us all day by canvassing or offering rides to the polls.

[logistical info. removed]

Between now and 8pm tomorrow evening, when polls close, we each have to do all in our power to ensure that Barack Obama is victorious. Now is our opportunity to not only change politics, but how Americans view and respect one another. The responsibility is ours.

[signature removed]



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Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 1)

"We are in a unique position to actually influence the outcome of this presidential primary, and in so doing, have an incredible influence on the future trajectory of this country."

I think power is really what Team Obama and Dailykos are about.

Its the future power that drives them.


by DTaylor on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:51:58 PM EST

Not the future power... (2.00 / 1)

It's the power we have NOW that drives us.

We have the oppotunity to do something good right now.  We can't control the future except by taking a hand in shaping the present.

That goes for you, me, Obama, Clinton, everybody.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:54:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

Knowledge itself is power.

Sir Francis Bacon


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:58:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

I'm great at trivial pursuit, but I not running the world.


by IowaMike on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:06:27 PM EST
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Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 1)

Bwa ha ha!  You may have uncovered our evil secret, Spaceman Spiff, but the Mighty Kos and his legion of cultists have the one ring and you are doomed!  Doomed, I say!  :)

Man, I miss Calvin and Hobbes.  

"Its the future power that drives them" = They'd like to make changes to this country's policies.  Right?  Or are you saying that TO/DK want to give their families cushy govt jobs or something?  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:03:41 PM EST
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Progressive power. (2.00 / 1)

Sounds good to me.  Isn't that what we've all been working toward?


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:04:54 PM EST
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Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 7)

Hmmm...first Democrat for a day... then lie to your employer day.  Nice tone for the campaign of hope and change.


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:54:10 PM EST

"Sick Democrat for a Day" :-) n/t (2.00 / 0)


Re-elect the President in 2012
by DemAC on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:58:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If this is the Hope and Change (2.00 / 2)

Obama is selling, I don't want any.  Power at all costs is not the new politics.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:00:25 PM EST
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Re: If this is the Hope and Change (1.00 / 2)

But, you're willing to support Clinton - who's only plan of winning is to sunder the party - at any cost?


by Lawyerish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:08:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

her only plan of winning is (none / 0)

"I told you so" in 2012.

she's had past experience at stabbing democratic candidates in the back.

I think I will pray for her.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:15:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Look to your own candidate (none / 0)

for his past history of "stabbing democratic candidates" in the back.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:23:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Does Alice Palmer ring a bell? (2.00 / 3)

Alice Palmer, State Senator and Obama mentor, attempted to run again in 1996 to retain her position.  Obama relentlessly challenged the petition process and managed to push out all of his rivals, including Palmer. He ran as a candidate who would empower the powerless, but, as the Chicago Tribune put it (April 3, 2007), "The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it."


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:29:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not my point, people (none / 0)

my point is supporting non-democrats instead of democrats.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:30:36 PM EST
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Re: Not my point, people (none / 0)

as in who for example? Lieberman? OBAMA supported him more vigorously than HRC did!


by swissffun on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:04:00 PM EST
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Hillary had more levers to turn (none / 0)

in that one, so I don't think you're right.

But we've been paying attention this cycle, oh yes we have, and, well, hillary knows what she done.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:53:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary had more levers to turn (none / 0)

so ominous posturing. what drama.

who knows what you did last summer. really. silly.


by swissffun on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:41:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

excuse me while I lick my paw (none / 0)

Demonic kitty is not ominous. Merely Satan's Cat.

;-)


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:02:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's not really accurate. (2.00 / 1)

You should re-read the article.  Definitely there was bad blood between the two in the end, and Obama did use the rules--correctly--to force out candidates whose signatures didn't pass muster.  But you gloss over the entire part where she had said she'd never run, he campaigned for months, then she changed her mind at the last minute and delivered invalid signatures.

Did you have other examples of Senator Obama "stabbing Democrats in the back," or was this mischaracterization all you had?


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:32:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Mischaracterization (2.00 / 1)

is in the eye of the beholder.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:47:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Palmer cheated (1.00 / 1)

Obama defends democracy and you call him out on it.  Right.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:54:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Defending Democracy" (2.00 / 2)

What a quaint euphemism for backstabbing.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:58:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What else do you call it? (1.00 / 1)

When your mentor says she's going to let you have your chance, then tries to pull the rug from under you, and breaks campaign law in the process?

Do you A) Wait your turn like a good boy, or B) Realize that she wasn't as good as you might have previously thought?

Had Palmer not been lazy, she'd have probably kept her job.  She decieved and underestimated a young fellow named Barack Obama.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:16:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sounds like (2.00 / 2)

Revisionist history to me.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:17:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Smells like (none / 0)

BS partisan interpretation to me.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:39:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Much like (2.00 / 1)

all the comments you've made.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:42:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are free to believe this (none / 0)

We all see things through our own prism.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:10:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

On this (none / 0)

we agree.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:31:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'll take that as a "no." (none / 0)

As in, "no, I have no evidence to back up my hasty statement that Senator Obama has a past history of "stabbing democratic candidates" in the back, and the one article I cited really doesn't say what I wish it did, now that you point it out."


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:04:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your words (none / 0)

Not mine.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:15:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

he stabbed lamont in the back (none / 0)

and lamont was a good guy.

Now piss off, because you know I speak the truth.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:54:35 PM EST
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Re: her only plan of winning is (none / 0)

name one fucking DEM she's stabbed in the back!  not like Palmer (?) as Obama did, for example!


by swissffun on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:02:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Lamont, for last cycle (none / 0)

for this cycle, well, who's won? ;-)


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:55:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Lamont, for last cycle (none / 0)

the SAME lamont that Obama campaigned AGAINST?

and wake up, the definition of stabbing in the back is having ever pretended to be a friend or supporter. HRC never gave false indications. AND WAIT, man she didn't fucking elect Lieberman, nor was she the driving force behind his reelection. You are really grasping wind to pin that on her.

hard to take such a wind grasper serious.


by swissffun on Wed May 07, 2008 at 03:43:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oh, by all means blow me off (none / 0)

Democrats don't campaign against democrats.

Nor do they bet against democrats.

I am fully aware of what Obama did, and I do not approve. We will be watching him...


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:04:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Competition (2.00 / 1)

is the backbone of this democratic society.  If our Democratic Party is so weak that it can be "sundered" through a competitive primary then it needs to be rethought and restructured.  The supporters of Senator Clinton want her to stay in this race until the voices of all Democrats have been heard.   More people have cast their votes for Sentator Clinton than any other Democtatic candidate---Please keep that in mind when you erroneously cite Clinton's plan of "winning at any cost."


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:17:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Power at all costs" (2.00 / 1)

I really don't see how playing hooky to help with GOTV equates to "power at all costs."  Even if this email were something official, rather than one volunteer coordinator's personal effort, your hyperbole is unforgivable.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:13:08 PM EST
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And you show a youthful (2.00 / 1)

ignorance by equating "playing hooky" (a school term) with not showing up to work at your job.  Sorry, bud, but this country didn't become great by people phoning in sick at their work.  It's irresponsible to suggest doing that.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:21:25 PM EST
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It is quite fucking responsible (none / 0)

to say that if you have a cough, a common problem in my city, to say stay home. Flu costs a lot of sick days per year, and most could be prevented if people just STAYED Home.

end of rant.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:31:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Phoning in sick" (none / 0)

in this case was not a legitimate excuse for "phoning in sick."  The suggestion being made was to not go into work in order to work for the Obama campaign for the day.

Sorry for your rant.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:45:31 PM EST
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Re: And you show a youthful (2.00 / 1)

In most democracies, election day is on the weekend so people don't have to make that choice.

And actually taking time to work for our shared civic life is what made this country great.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:33:18 PM EST
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Re: And you show a youthful (none / 0)

I for one am not arguing that it is not a valid reason to take off from work.  My problem is the last minute, call in sick meme.  Plan ahead if you want to be off.  I have never denied a request for time off for any reason because people can do what they want with their PTO.


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:52:48 PM EST
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Yes, I'm told it was quite popular (none / 0)

in eastern europe to have it on saturdays.
anything to disenfranchise the jews.
yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:18:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You have no idea (none / 0)

who I am, my age, or background.  I know thinking all Obama supporters are "kids" makes it easy for you not to think about things, but your assumptions are simply wrong.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:35:19 PM EST
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I don't assume (none / 0)

all Obama supporters are kids.  But the use of the term "playing hooky" showed a "youthful ignorance."  One can display such a characteristic regardless of their actual age.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:50:07 PM EST
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Use your big words. (none / 0)

I hope you are aware that metaphors aren't necessarily literal.  I chose "playing hooky" to downplay the seriousness of missing a day of work, not because I harbor some confusion about whether I'm here at the office or sitting in Mrs. Fitch's third period.

I've missed days of work for political activities before, and I'm damn glad to say so.  Perhaps my job is more flexible than yours.  Once you've been punching the clock for a couple decades, you'll realize that missing a day of work even for spurious reasons does not cause the collapse of Western civilization.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:17:44 PM EST
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Be glad you don't work for me (none / 0)

Because you wouldn't be working for me for long.


by izarradar on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:21:21 PM EST
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Re: And you show a youthful (2.00 / 1)

Irresponsible to sacrafice a day of work to support DEMOCRACY! Election days should be National holidays anyway. Gee, I thought Dem.s were all about Democracy.


by venician on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:36:49 PM EST
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Re: And you show a youthful (2.00 / 1)

You are being deliberately obtuse.  If you don't think that calling in at the last minute affects anyone at your workplace then you either work alone or you are blissfully ignorant of the way most companies work.


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:53:34 PM EST
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Re: And you show a youthful (none / 0)

since they all knew the day of the primary, they should take a VACATION day (you know, use up one of those precious days) instead of lying and taking a sick day when they aren't sick(or their kids aren't sick)

plan ahead for it.  If you don't have vacation days, then plan ahead & take an unpaid day off.  

it is irresponsible to phone in at the last minute and pretend you are sick, instead of planning for it & getting your co-workers ample to time to cover your duties at your job


by colebiancardi on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:12:42 PM EST
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Yes, it is irresponsible. (none / 0)

Hopefully most volunteers planned ahead, rather than called in this morning with a white lie.

What's more irresponsible, however, is pretending one volunteer's "rally the troops" email somehow constitutes a fatal misjudgment to be blamed on Senator Obama.  That's the kool-aid talking.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:19:45 PM EST
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he'll blame a staffer for it and move on nt (none / 0)


by Thirsty Gator on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:59:23 PM EST
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Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

Some employers consider it an excused absence if you can prove you are doing it directly relating to community involvement, or community service.

And I think Democrats  should be excited about anything that sends a message we want say in our government.  More so then sending people to Washington so they can pledge allegiance to special interests and corporations.


Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu
by Tumult on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:28:26 PM EST
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Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 0)

I'm struck but not surprised by the religious tone of the memo.

It is indeed creepy. Beyond creepy actually -- scary.

Are they waging a political campaign or a religious crusade?


Full Equality Now!
by cuppajoe on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:57:52 PM EST

'Religious tone?' (none / 0)

What are you talking about?  


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:59:29 PM EST
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Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 1)

But please remember that the forces against which we are waging do not go quickly or quietly into the night.

This is all too reminiscent of George Bush's "evil-doers."


by OtherLisa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:59:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

George Bush IS the 'evil doer.' (2.00 / 1)

If you don't think that Bush has perpetrated evil or infected our political system in ways that will be difficult to extract, I'm thinking you're in the wrong party.

Someone finds a poetic way of framing our struggle in an inspiring way, you accuse them of cultish behavior or scaremongering.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:03:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

No, saying "screw the studies" is the Bush way.  Sorta like Hillary reacting to the economists thinking her and McCain's gas tax holiday is misguided by calling them elitists.    

Not to mention the oceans of bile that have been thrown Obama supporters way by Hillary and her supporters---Bill says we're too young and hence stupid, we're latte-drinking volvo-drivers,  elitists, etc.  

If someone in January had told me that Hillary Clinton would be using these attack lines, I'd have laughed.  They're straight out of the Rovian playbook.  


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:07:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What's the problem here? (2.00 / 3)

Is there a problem with taking a day off work to help people vote?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there some things worth sacrificing for?

What you're pointing to here is one line in an overall moving message of the power of democracy.  It's not even that bad of a line.

Things won't change if we don't adapt to the circumstances.

Why didn't you do a positive diary and point at this passage:

But please remember that the forces against which we are waging do not go quickly or quietly into the night. We cannot wait passively and idly hope for change to come. Heed the words of Senator Obama, recognize the fierce urgency of now, and be the change you hope to see. We are in a unique position to actually influence the outcome of this presidential primary, and in so doing, have an incredible influence on the future trajectory of this country.

That's good advice for every Democrat, not just Obama supporters.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:57:58 PM EST

Re: What's the problem here? (2.00 / 2)

Encouraging people to call in sick puts people in an unethical position; encouraging them to take a day off from work, if they have vacation leave, does not.

It's not a deal breaker by any means, but it wasn't very good judgment on the part of the staffer to say it and put his/her name to it.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:01:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Eh, why freak out? (2.00 / 1)

It's just a figure of speech.  I have PTO at my job... calling in sick is identical to vacation for me.  I'm sure a lot of people took that day off in advance, anyway.  I sometimes say that I'm "playing hookey" if I call in sick, despite being legitimately ill.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:07:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, why freak out? (none / 0)

"You're making a mountain out of a molehill."

Yes, but what else can they do now?


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:10:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, why freak out? (2.00 / 1)

Aw, c'mon. It's is clearly, unequivocally an ethical issue.  So, you have a set-up where sick leave and vacation are identical - not everyone has that set-up and taking sick leave when you're not sick and intend, in fact to go fishing or engage in political activity, or even volunteer with the homeless, is indeed an ethical issue.  People who abuse their sick leave benefits can be penalized for that abuse - that in and of itself proves the ethics.

This is a perfect example of you having it your way and only your way.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:12:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, why freak out? (2.00 / 1)

An ethical issue?  You have got to be kidding. People routinely take days off to celebrate their birthday or to go to a wedding out of state.  This is about our country and its future.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:34:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh, why freak out? (none / 0)

I understand.  I have to adjust to the generation of Relative Ethics.

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Loge/ 3393/ethics.html

You know - the one where the ends justify the means.

Thanks for the education.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:33:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Okay, fine. (none / 0)

Calling in sick if you're planning on volunteering for a good cause is the whitest of white lies.

I doubt most bosses A) wouldn't realize already and B) would even care if they caught someone helping the elderly to a polling place red-handed.

Didn't Ferris Bueller's Day Off teach us that a sickday is harmless fun?


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:50:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

where do you live? (none / 0)

you sound like you come from pittsburgh ;-)


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:06:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What's the problem here? (none / 0)

I guess I would have done a positive diary about the memo if I had interpreted it positively.  But I did not.  I think it's bizarre on a number of levels and the "forces" refers to Hillary Clinton, not Bush.  Campaigns should not allow this kind of tone in their official communications.


by Potter on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:03:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I wouldn't say that. (2.00 / 2)

The "forces" are talking about everything that stands in the way of fixing our country.  Right now Bush is the center of that, but Clinton, too, seems to regress into Republican frames of reference and all too often reminds us that she's a product of old politics.

Clinton is an impediment by choice at this time.  She won't be an impediment once we have a nominee.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:05:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What's the problem here? (none / 0)

The 'forces' refers to the status-quo. The say anything to win politics. The politics of distraction. Normal those are Republican playbook moves. This cycle HRC has decided to use those same tactics.


by Tatan on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:07:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

just a bit of hyperbole (2.00 / 1)

in that whole "blood, sweat and tears" thing, eh?

I dare say that at his best, Obama would be no Churchill.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:59:11 PM EST

It wasn't written by Obama (2.00 / 1)

Jebus, it's just a volunteer on the ground; someone who no doubt is doing a lot of good for voters in that state.

You guys can't give anyone any credit if they're supporting Obama, can you?


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:01:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It wasn't written by Obama (none / 0)

re: my comment above.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:02:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: just a bit of hyperbole (none / 0)

Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.

Sir Winston Churchill


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:06:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 1)

Obama has perhaps 800 field organizers, and most of them are fresh out of college 22 year olds... Somebody has just poached an email from one of those offices.


Matthew25Network.com
by cardboard 1 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:03:16 PM EST

let's hope (none / 0)

that they are not fired from their jobs.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:04:05 PM EST

In many states... (none / 0)

They have to give you time off to participate in democratic processes anyway.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:08:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 1)

Other than the strange wording of the email, as someone who has people reporting to me I would not appreciate someone calling in sick at the last minute to campaign.  I would support and approve of someone telling me ahead of time that they planned to be off to do this.  Frankly I don't care to hear the reason someone wants to be off but when it is dropped in my lap at the last minute and the reason is not an unexpected illness I think I would be peeved.


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:08:43 PM EST

Welcome, new volunteer. (2.00 / 1)

Did you really think this rhetoric was too revivalist?  You should have seen some of the communications we received from the Dean campaign, for example.

Seriously, if Senator Clinton isn't also talking in these motivational terms at this point, I'd be surprised.  People want and need to motivated to continue as volunteers, and that's what this memo is doing.

Finally, it might be formally inappropriate to urge people to skip a day of work.  But I would be glad to do so.  I've packed up my life several times before.  I always take the day off work on polling day, because I'm a precinct captain.

If you see something wrong with calling in sick to help GOTV, I respectfully suggest you're either brand new to this politics thing, or you don't care enough about your candidate.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:09:00 PM EST

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 5)

"Heed the words of Senator Obama, recognize the fierce urgency of now, and be the change you hope to see."

Obama's words?  A riff from Ghandi, but that may be lost on some of the younger Obama supporters.  In many of their defenses of Obama and criticisms they show a lack of cultural depth and knowledge.  I think this is what allows them to focus and care so deeply on his message of "hope" without asking for the substance.  I'm sure the "elitism" of asking people to call in sick is lost on them.  In the real world, calling in sick when you are not sick (even to care for sick family members or do something like vote) can get you fired in the realm of working class/low income/hourly wage jobs.   Calling in "sick" is the province of the salaried and connected


by kfive on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:11:48 PM EST

Which is worse (none / 0)

Calling in sick and lying to participate in the political process, or lying to save your political skin (Bosnia)?


by highgrade on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:19:57 PM EST

Re: Which is worse (none / 0)

Ah, so are you conflating the Bosnia airstrip thing with the Obama campaign's high-toned request of their supporters to LIE?


by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:37:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

This is so silly. How many of you call in sick the Monday after Superbowl Sunday, the biggest call-in sick day of the year?

Besides, many jobs ALLOW for sick days, people.. its called vacation pay...HELLOOOO!

Find something a little bit more substantive to get 'outraged' about.

Desperation is neither becoming nor sttractive.


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:21:05 PM EST

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

I would never lie for a reason like that.  It's just my sense of personal honor.


by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:38:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

So, you never called in sick before when you wanted to do something different and fun, or just to help out somebody?  You must be a saint.


by Spanky on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:21:31 PM EST

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

I guess it depends on your job.  When calling in sick means people have to scramble to cover your duties I think it's disrespectful not to plan ahead if at all possible.  Where I work the receptionist reports to me and when she calls in sick (or plans ahead of time to be off) I have to arrange for the phones to be covered.  Not a big deal but definitely much appreciated when I have a heads up, even if it is just a day or two.  Some people actually have jobs that can't just be left to sit on someone's desk for when that person returns.


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:35:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

I hear you, but young people do that stuff all the time.  And it's usually not done because people want to be involved in politics.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:51:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

Maybe the message was aimed at mostly young people, but in today's workplaces even young people have jobs that leave others in the lurch when they are not present for the day.  Like I said, if this memo had gone out a week prior asking people to plan the day off to work for the campaign I would have a totally different impression of the situation.


by JustJennifer on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:55:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

wha? Nothing to be mad about, so they asked for you to do what you can, is that the big deal?

We need more of your blood, your sweat, and your tears.

that part is kinda creepy.

---on a side note: it is finals week, so maybe Obama HQ has resorted to calling on the employed instead of those darn college kids..


--++++Stay Gold, Ponyboy!++++--
by amde on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:23:02 PM EST

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

It's Churchill, you know.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:35:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

It's Churchill, you know

Oh, I guess that makes it ok.

You do know the Nazis aren't bombing us? Dial it back a bit.


by ineedalife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:55:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, it makes it a quotation. (none / 0)

We're trying to stop you from looking the fool as you wonder what in the world could have been meant by "blood, sweat, and tears."  (Hint: it's from a wartime rallying speech and isn't referring to literal body fluids.)


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:11:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

PBJ (2.00 / 2)

Ingredients:
Two slices bread (white or wheat preferably)
2 T peanut butter (smooth or crunchy)
1 1/2 T Jelly (can substitute jam or preserves)

Separate the two bread slices.  Spread the peanut butter on one slice.  Spread the jelly on the other.  Press both slices together with the peanut butter/jelly sides on the inside.

Serves 1


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:30:46 PM EST

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (2.00 / 1)

And to do that we need your help. We need more of your blood, your sweat, and your tears. This weekend our Charlotte organization knocked on an incredible number of doors - but there are still many doors to knock, more stories to hear, more voters to inspire.

Why the hell would knocking on doors cause anyone to bleed or weep? WTF? Melodramatic as hell. Some people really need to double their dosage and chill the f*** out.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:38:56 PM EST

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

I guess you're not familiar with Winston Churchill?

"Blood, sweat and tears" is Churchill.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:49:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Resonates. (none / 0)

To those who know some history, those are quite powerful words, up there with "And we shall never...surrender."  It's a phrase, people.  It's both humorous and discouraging to watch these people try and figure out "What really did he mean by 'blood,' and why would there be 'tears'?  Ewwww."


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:09:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Resonates. (none / 0)

But it's a historically powerful phrase being used in a campaign memo (see my comment below). That's the point -- it's an incredibly silly way to use it.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:16:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

True enough... (none / 0)

But enthusiasm is important.

Just yesterday, the members of another online community I associate with were despairing due to the contentious nature of the primary and all the forces lined up against Obama were overwhelming.  Many there were on the edge of giving up on politics for good.

I wrote a rousing message that was both amusing and powerful, and people started feeling better, joking around, etc.

Words matter, and enthusiasm matters.  I think we can forgive a little exaggeration in a communication from Obama supporters to Obama supporters... heck, I sure as hell try to cut the purely non-negative pro-Clinton diaries here some slack (I even recommended an alegre piece yesterday, which was surprising to me as well).

This board has become so obsessed with nitpicking and "gotchas" that we aren't seeing the good parts of the candidates' messages.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:24:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Incredibly silly? (none / 0)

I don't think so--"blood, sweat, and tears" in particular is well entrenched in the vernacular now with the simple meaning of "hard work."

If you've been in the thick of a campaign, this is exactly the tone you often hear.  At least that's my experience.  Of course it's bombastic and overstated from the outside, but if your goal is to motivate volunteers, very often you must put things in a larger, more important context than just helping your candidate to win.

We're not the audience for this memo, because we're not crashed on the couch at a friend's house in Chapel Hill or at a Super-8 with ten strangers in Bloomington, waiting for any confirmation that the miles we've walked have not been in vain.  That's not "silly," that's awesome.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:26:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Incredibly silly? (none / 0)

Whatever motivates you, I suppose. I'm just naturally averse to things I perceive as flamboyant/excessively dramatic. It's part of what turned me away from his campaign. If he wins the nomination, I'll gladly and enthusiastically support him, but you probably won't see any high flying rhetoric out of me.
I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:50:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks. You probably will see highfalutin (none / 0)

rhetoric out of me.

But take it with a grain of salt. They're all assholes, those presidential nominees. and I know it. ;0)


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Wed May 07, 2008 at 04:21:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

Precisely, hence the melodrama. Churchill makes that remark in a historic statement regarding war with Germany. Obama's campaign uses it in a memo about getting out the vote in NC and IN. You can't see why some people would consider that a little melodramatic?


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:14:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Without a world war, it's seen as important. (none / 0)

We don't have a world war with defined good and evil sides.  Just to help you understand, to many Obama supporters, we're dealing with nothing less than the fate of the country.

Many of us see our civil rights fracturing, our military at its breaking point, and our international reputation already tarnished.  We don't really trust the "politics as usual" candidates to really do much to bring us back from the edge... rightly or wrongly.

I don't think it's any wonder that Obama supporters have adopted rhetoric that is personally inspiring to them, because we've already seen how we can change the game because of Obama's words... particularly his New Hampshire speech: "We are the change we've been waiting for."

Now, many of Obama's words are not new; "Yes, we can" is based on the slogans of migrant workers ("Si, se puede!"), and other slogans are borrowed from elsewhere... but they are designed to be inspiring and memorable.  It's natural that supporters will try to emulate what inspired them.

I think we have to get past this one.  The intent was clearly good, and the result is also positive; high voter turnout helps all Democrats.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:33:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Without a world war, it's seen as important. (none / 0)

I think this is part of what I initially disliked so much about the Obama campaign. I've gotten over it for the most part, but I still can't help but roll my eyes occasionally. It's not that I'm trying to mock him or his supporters, but I do think a lot of the rhetoric is overdone. It sometimes seems as if there's some sort of religious fervor about it (and no, I'm not calling you guys a cult). I just don't like that. I naturally shy away from language and behavior of that nature, the same way I naturally avoid religion. I guess that makes me cynical. *shrug* Oh well. I'm glad he's inspiring people, but I'm not the sort of person who gets "caught up" in things like that.
I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:44:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm sure you hated Deaniacs, too. (none / 0)

This rhetoric is quite staid compared to some of Trippi's communications we received.  This really is nothing of note, frankly.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:46:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm sure you hated Deaniacs, too. (none / 0)

Then why on earth are you still arguing about it? Why does it matter that I didn't care for the wording? You're right, it's nothing of note -- and that's why I can't understand why it galls you so much that someone has an opinion which differs from yours. Get over it.
I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:55:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Easy there. (none / 0)

Enjoy your opinion and your day.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:08:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I understand where you're coming from (2.00 / 1)

I have never worked on a campaign before this one, and I've been of voting age for 14 years.  Prior to this, I've never thought that politics was worth my time, because it was the same game with different names.  I didn't even get excited about Howard Dean; I figured guys like him would never be allowed near the presidency because they'd rock the boat.

Then I saw Obama's speech on MLK Jr. day, and I realized that this guy happened to stand the closest to my frame of mind of any politician I've ever heard from (barring perhaps Russ Feingold).  On top of that, the dude could sling The Word around like nobody's business.

I'm a writer and an avid reader, so moving words do affect me greatly, I'll admit.

While I'm not prone to highs or lows like some of my fellow Obama supporters, I certainly understand why they get excited in the way that's uncomfortable to you... I would have shared that discomfort six months ago, and I still cringe a bit at the most blatant rhetoric.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:54:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No. (none / 0)

Tell me "blood, sweat, and tears" is an uncommon phrase.  It was the name of a 70s rock/jazz band--hard to come up with a less serious usage than that, I'd say.  The first page of Google hits for "blood.sweat.and.tears" gives us:

- "The Blood, Sweat, and Tears of Games Developers" at the UK Guardian.

- An article with that as the title, about Paul Thomas Anderson's movie "There Will Be Blood."

- Atlanta Hawk Paul Pierce describing how the hand gesture he was fined for last week signifies "blood, sweat, and tears."

So no, I can't agree with your assertion that it's a particularly silly or careless usage of the phrase.  Even if it were, it would amount to nothing at all.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:45:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No. (none / 0)

This is a great example of that weird Obama fanaticism, too. It really creeps a lot of Clinton supporters out. Why does it outrage you so much that I think it was a silly way to use the phrase? Odd that it upsets you so terribly... God forbid I'm not ecstatic about the way Obama's staffers wrote his campaign memo. I'm such a nasty little heretic.
I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:53:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It doesn't outrage me. (none / 0)

Not at all.  And I'd prefer to address things we actually say to each other, rather than your meta topic of how I'm an example of "that weird Obama fanatacism."

You're certainly welcome to your opinion that the usage was "silly."  I provided some evidence that it is actually a pedestrian usage of "blood, sweat, and tears" in modern English.  You seem to have conceded that point.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:01:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It doesn't outrage me. (none / 0)

So because a good number of people use a powerful quote in a trivial way, you've proven it isn't silly to do so? Yeah, there's no way multiple people would do something silly. That doesn't happen. But if it makes you feel better, just assume I've conceded the point. I really don't mind.

My inability to understand why the use of that phrase was wholly appropriate and super-awesome must have disturbed you to some extent, since you actually bothered to get on Google and look it up. Actually, now that I think about it, any phrase in a campaign memo which is powerful enough to incite people to go to these lengths to defend it must, indeed, be super awesome and totally "not silly". So I apologize for daring to think otherwise. My bad.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:14:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Both of ya! (none / 0)

I don't think this line of discussion is terribly productive, McNasty and sricki.

I realize I have no moderational authority, but I guess my advice is for both of you to let it go.  This diary is silly enough as it is.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:20:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Both of ya! (none / 0)

Thank you. I was actually about to apologize to him/her for my unnecessary contentiousness, which is, quite possibly, more overdramatic than anything I've seen out of the Obama campaign. I was just irritated in general because I hate it when I say something someone disagrees with, and then they feel the need to try to write off my opinion by implying that I'm too ignorant to know better, which is how I perceived politicsmatters' reasonably insulting "you obviously aren't familiar with Churchill" remark. McNasty was just on the receiving end of my annoyance because s/he was the one who kept responding to me.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:31:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Common problem on these things (none / 0)

Some posters will just continue to respond with their same arguments as long as you keep paying attention to them.

That's not good or bad, but it can be aggravating.

There's a point where everyone's made their point where it's okay to walk away.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:15:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Lie to your employer for us (2.00 / 1)

Give blood for us.

This is getting more and more creepy all the time.

And they wonder why cult metaphors are used.


by ineedalife on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:51:20 PM EST

Re: Lie to your employer for us (none / 0)

Are you trying to not get the point that this is a common phrase and it's borrowed from Winston Churchill?

It has nothing to do with giving blood and there's nothing cultish about it.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:52:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Give me a Break... (none / 0)

With all the time some Clinton supporters spend on Mydd, if they are at work their production is for shit.  I wonder how many of you hide the fact that you are on Mydd chatting instead of doing what you are paid for....


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:27:55 PM EST

and... (none / 0)

if you don't work, you don't have the right to critique others who do and how they handle their business!!!


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:30:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and... (none / 0)

Hey, the criticism is leveled at THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN for suggesting that its supporters LIE.


by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:39:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and... (none / 0)

People are grown ups and can make their own decisions based on the priorities...By saying people that work will just call in sick without thinking how it affects their workplace or their own priorities is basically calling them ignorant....i'd like to think the US workforce is more responsible and will do what's right for them personally.


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:44:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and... (none / 0)

No, it's about lying.  When you accept an employment offer, you are expected (and probably told clearly) that you must abide by policies.  Having spent years as a human resources manager in a very large university, I can tell you that policy says you may NOT use sick leave for anything other than being sick.  Therefore, to call in sick when you are not sick but instead are planning on doing something quite different from recuperating is to lie.

I'm sure most businesss won't collapse because of the campaign's call to its supporters to lie.  But what it will do is put those supporters in a position to put Obama ahead of their own personal sense of honor.  It strikes me that Obama and his campaign pretend to a high tone of doing the right thing.  Then they do something like this.  That's hypocritical.


by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 03:54:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My personal sense of honor (none / 0)

puts progressive political change ahead of punching the clock in some cases.

It's dishonest to blame this personally on Senator Obama or even the campaign.  I'm sure you're aware this was just one volunteer's email.  I don't hold Senator Clinton personally reponsible for the obnoxious behavior of some of her supporters, for example, because it's not her fault.


by McNasty on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:06:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My personal sense of honor (none / 0)

My personal sense of honor precludes me voting for a untrustworthy person like Obama.  I'm no slave to The Man.  In fact I am now self-employed, one of the vaunted American small businesspeople, because I got sick of, yes, Working For The Man.  But even while employed by The Man, I upheld my side of things.  When I wanted to assist a campaign, I did indeed take off time, but it was always either vacation time or time off without pay.

If the email is just from a supporter, not paid staff or something, that I agree that it's not Obama's fault.


by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:16:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My personal sense of honor (none / 0)

Untrustworthy???

Pew Research 4-1

A Pew Research survey indicated 29 percent of Democratic voters asked describe Clinton as "phony," compared with 14 percent for Obama.

Slate 5-1

Fifty percent of Democratic primary voters said Clinton says what she thinks people want to hear most of the time, while 28 percent of people said the same about Obama. Only 26 percent of Republican primary voters said John McCain panders to voters.

ABC News

The poll finds other pronounced problems for Clinton. Among all Americans, 58 percent
now say she's not honest and trustworthy, 16 points higher than in a pre-campaign poll
two years ago. Obama beats her head-to-head on this attribute by a 23-point margin.


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:22:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My personal sense of honor (none / 0)

Well, I don't know about you but I'm capable of thinking for myself.  

I trust Hillary because she is consistent and has been consistent for decades.  I feel that I know what she will do.  I distrust Obama because in a short time he has said and done things in such contradictory ways.  Hillary is a politician and she embraces that and uses it to do good in her own way.  Obama pretends he is not an ordinary politician, but he is.  Thus, untrustworthy.


by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:25:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My personal sense of honor (none / 0)

Like the 500,000 new jobs she promised New Yorkers??


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:45:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and... (none / 0)

Don't feed me the bull...How many people have called in sick for much more poor reasons (hangover, tix to an event etc.)?  I would venture to guess 95% of workers have taken advantage of "calling in sick"...I'm not buying the "holier than thou" attitude.


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:17:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: and... (none / 0)

Who knows how many people have done that?  My own guess is that it's quite a bit lower than 95%. I believe that most people tend to be quite honest about things like sick leave. Anyway, just because other people call in sick when they're not, that doesn't make it okay in my book.  What it does is to burden the employees who come into work and must cover for the missing person.


by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:27:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

sounds like Obama has a real winner of a health care plan. what the hell do they think will run up insurance rates and discourage employer coverage for everyone FASTER than fraud?!


by swissffun on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:00:08 PM EST

Huh? (none / 0)

This is about a campaign memo, not health care fraud.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:16:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Huh? (none / 0)

you're slow


by swissffun on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:16:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yeah I guess. (none / 0)

Silly me.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:22:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff (none / 0)

guess Obama will support them when they get fired.


by WolfmanJack on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:23:04 PM EST

Re: Obama Staff (none / 0)

He also has a great, comprehensive, and universal healthcare plan for them.


by Montague on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:28:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama Staff: Call in Sick for Us! (none / 0)

"Call-in sick" to GOTV? Despicaaable, you dirty wabbitt!


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:12:25 PM EST


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