Study suggests gas tax holiday would work?

Sorry for the length, or lack thereof, of this diary. HRC supporters are pushing this bogus gas tax holiday issue, and they've gained newfound confidence in the idea that somewhere there is an actual study/analysis that shows it to be a good idea. Now, this first came to light in the Salon piece by George Foster - an attorney, not an economist. That piece is available at http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/200 8/05/06/gas_tax/

In it he states:

But Obama is wrong. He did not learn this lesson. In fact, the only scientific study done on the pass-through of the tax holiday savings to Illinois consumers (and those in Indiana, as well, whose citizens enjoyed a similar holiday) found that it actually worked to a large extent.

The study is titled "$2.00 Gas! Studying the Effects of a Gas Tax Moratorium," by Joseph J. Doyle Jr. and Krislert Samphantharak. Download the PDF here. The authors concluded that "the suspension of the 5% sales tax led to decreases in retail prices of 3% compared to neighboring states. And when the tax was reinstated, retail prices rose by roughly 4%."

This suggests that the tax holiday delivered at least 60 percent of the tax savings to motorists.

Notwithstanding the lunacy of pointing to as a success a tax "holiday" that shows it was still raided to the tune of 40% by middle men/producers, the rush to find ANYONE to say ANYTHING that is even remotely supportive of the policy is funny to watch, ESPECIALLY when you consider what the author of the study actually thinks about the Clinton plan.

http://www.williampolley.com/blog/archiv es/2008/05/gas_tax_holiday.html

The Wall Street Journal's Real Time Economics blog says that my comments (specifically the last sentence above) are "probably the strongest show of support available". That may be. Though I meant it to be a bit of "damning through faint praise." My criteria for good public policy is that it be well out of the neighborhood of "pointless." Still, I'll bet others would agree that the consumer might benefit a few cents, but I think it is safe to say that we stand firm in agreement that this is a bad, bad idea.

So keep trying, you're still at 0 "economist elites".



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Frost (none / 0)

Frost wrote the article, he didn't conduct the study.


by Mayor McCheese on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:13:51 PM EST

Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (2.00 / 2)

I hate to tell you this, but I've just seen three or four "Clinton supporters" who said point-blank that they don't support the proposed gas tax holiday. I just posted a comment myself in a different diary saying that I don't think it's an especially great idea.

Supporting it or not isn't really the point of Clinton supporters.  I think most of us are less in support of it and are merely attempting to point out that the hysterical reaction by Obama supporters to the proposal is the real stupidity here.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:14:45 PM EST

Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (2.00 / 1)

Exactly. I don't support the idea. Not because its horrible but because I think it wont' do too much and is only intended as a short term mearsure anyway. I don't support everything that my candidates do and don't oppose everything their opponents do. Plus Obama has supported gas tax holidays in the past as well.


by Mayor McCheese on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:17:59 PM EST
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Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (none / 0)

A leader must have the courage to act against an expert's advice.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:05:39 PM EST
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Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (none / 0)

Like Bush did when taking us into Iraq?


by Yalin on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:20:12 PM EST
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Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (none / 0)

I dont support it either. Somehow Im supposed to just because I support the candidate. jeesh,

But the main thing here is: what is Obama's plan to curb gas prices?, other than his long term policy which is just like Clinton's. (I dont think he has one, I brought this up before and it was never answered...)

It's not like the gas tax is her only solution, she does have long term policy...


--++++Stay Gold, Ponyboy!++++--
by amde on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:17:18 PM EST
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Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (none / 0)

ok so you support someone that you know is taking advantage of low income families ?
do you think that is honest? and what makes you think YOU are Immune to her Pandering ????
this pander targeted Low-info uneducated low-income people. Hillary is gambling that they will vote for her because they believe she would give them "RELIEF" on gas. But she knows it will not and you know it will not. Yet she still is taking advantage of her. I am amazed you still think she is the champion of the middle class still. But I ask you  this time it was low info she targeted...what makes you think you will not be next ??? do you think she just looks down on Low income voters but will always tell YOU the truth ? please explain your logic?
PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Tue May 06, 2008 at 05:00:57 PM EST
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Illinois lost milliions in revenue (none / 0)

and Bush would veto any windfall profits tax. So it's a stupid idea.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:14:59 PM EST

Re: Illinois lost milliions in revenue (none / 0)

In that case, it would be "good politics" going into the fall election.  The voters who might best respond to the idea of a gas tax holiday, whether it's good economic policy or not, are those rural "Hunters for Bush" voters.  I have a family full of them, and while I'm not denigrating their intellectual capacity, having them see Bush give a tax rebate with one hand, while denying a tax holiday with the other would be good politics for whomever is the Dem nominee in Nov.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:22:07 PM EST
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I'd rather win on credibility, thanks (none / 0)

That's exactly the kind of sketchy game that Obama is trying to get us past.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:38:20 PM EST
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Re: I'd rather win on credibility, thanks (none / 0)

Then how, exactly, can you justify your support of Obama?  This blindness to the reality that Obama is no different - that he's pulled his share of political shenanigans - really mystifies me.

I realize your likely response is "prove it to me", but putting up a bunch of links that you'll deny the validity of is more work that it's worth, so I'll just cede you the theoretical high ground and drop it.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:44:09 PM EST
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Thanks for caring about my time (none / 0)

It might force me to notice that you'd be citing right-wing hatchet jobs from sites that, until very recently, spread the most vile filth and lies about Hillary Clinton.

The Democratic reliance upon the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy is one of the more regrettable effects of the campaign, and I hope it ends when Obama is the presumptive nominee.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:53:02 PM EST
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There you go, taking a mile (none / 0)

when I only gave an inch.

It's my time I'm concerned with, not yours.  Appropriation is an amazing thing.


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:02:35 PM EST
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Time is a shared resource. (none / 0)

And this is a silly argument. :)


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:03:27 PM EST
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Agreed. :-) n/t (none / 0)


by aggieric on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:12:19 PM EST
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Re: Illinois lost milliions in revenue (none / 0)

It would also be good politics to propose legislation that cars will now run on air.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:00:04 PM EST
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Re: Illinois lost milliions in revenue (2.00 / 1)

So would it be a stupid idea to stop funding the war ? After all GW would just veto it anyway. RIGHT.


Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:49:44 PM EST
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You're confused. (none / 0)

Congress can defund the war by simply not voting on a bill. They can't do this by simply not voting on a bill.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Tue May 06, 2008 at 02:01:29 PM EST
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There are three kinds of lies: (none / 0)

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.


"I hope the two wings of the Democratic Party may flap together." - William Jennings Bryan
by pinche tejano on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:25:01 PM EST

State tax holiday is different (none / 0)

In a state gas tax holiday, dealers may have reasons to lower prices at the pump.  Lower prices temporarily allow for greater competition against gas from other states.  (They also allow dealers to wrongly blame the holiday for high gas prices in the first place.) Because of its low gas tax, New Jersey attracts consumers from from Pennsylvania and Delaware.  

There's nothing in a national gas tax holiday to provide such incentive.  


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:26:11 PM EST

That is so off the mark (none / 0)

its called market competition- it works if its two stations competing against each other and it works if its two state markets competing against each other- at least you understand the concept, though.
by linc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:31:39 PM EST
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And how would a national holiday (none / 0)

do a damn thing for that?  

Market competition: yeah.  That's what those "elite" economists talk about.  Hillary don't trust 'em.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:34:13 PM EST
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You explained it very well above (none / 0)

how it works- most economists aren't talk about Clinton's duel windfall/holiday plan- they are talking about McCain's holiday only plan. Go look at Krugman, and no, not what Dailykos and Obama told you Krugman said, but what he actually said. He, a very respected economist, thinks Clinton's tax would have no harm, at worst.

Regardless, its really not about the actual benefit of a tax holiday, its about shifting the language of economics from neo-liberal to populist- taking on big oil goes a long way in that direction. HRC has been talking about a windfall tax for a very long time now, so might have Obama- but HRC is the one with the guts to push it on the national stage- I love the way she is bringing bank bailouts into it as well!
by linc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:39:38 PM EST
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No harm because... (none / 0)

...it will never get implemented.  I don't know why we're still talking about this.  The chances that she'll change the world to suit her whim on this in the next month are staggeringly small.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:42:39 PM EST
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Because we need to be (none / 0)

its neo-liberalism versus populism- I have no idea why its even a point of debate for progressives- we should be switching the terms of the debate. Where's the change Obamaland?
by linc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:56:33 PM EST
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"Neo-liberalism?" (none / 0)

I swear, I've never heard this word until today.

Are you comparing Obama supporters to neocons?

I assure you, "Change" does not include backing idiotic policies that won't work.  Remember, the motto is "Change we can believe in," not "Change that is just a silly pander."


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:07:38 PM EST
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Okay, just read up... (none / 0)

I had forgotten that it's an economic policy term.  I get caught up in this supposedly being a "liberal" site.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:16:08 PM EST
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Wrong (none / 0)

Regardless of how this dumb plan is paid for it is still a dumb plan and every single economist who has spoken about this has said so.

You guys are acting more and more like Republicans every day.  It really is sad. You sound like global warming deniers.  Trying to confuse an issue when there is vast agreement among those who spend their professional lives studying such issues.  It is pathetic.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:42:52 PM EST
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How many non-neo-liberal (none / 0)

economists would you be referring to? Who are they, the populist economists that think this is a bad idea? Pray tell? Its about paradigm shift- taking the advice of neo-liberal economist is not going to help that shift along. I have asked before, but since when did every gd progressive turn into a neo-liberal capitalist?
by linc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:55:20 PM EST
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Re: How many non-neo-liberal (none / 0)

What the fuck is a non-neo-liberal?  Why don't you ask me how many left handed economists I am refering to?  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:56:56 PM EST
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Here's a good one (none / 0)

check out Karl Polanyi- he is dead, but its a good lesson on the economics of the new deal. The fact that you don't know who or what, is extremely telling of this debate. Everyone is so stuck in the neo-liberal version of capitalism and market economies that they don't know what else it could look like- its quite startling really.
by linc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:58:47 PM EST
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Re: Here's a good one (none / 0)

Not really.  This matter isn't complicated.  They teach about it in Economics 101.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:00:53 PM EST
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Oh? (none / 0)

so you know Polanyi? Maybe Gramsci? Funny, I missed the bit in Economics 101 where they introduced these guys or really anything remotely populist in orientation.
by linc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:05:33 PM EST
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Re: Oh? (none / 0)

Didn't they play for the Boston Braves while Babe Ruth was the player/manager?


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:08:54 PM EST
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Ha! (none / 0)

that was funny. Ah, American economic education- nothing more narrow - sigh.
by linc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:25:01 PM EST
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It's about changing the language all right: (none / 0)

The language of the campaign.  It's about embracing a populism she has never known until now.

As I've said before, Hillary's ideal plan would suspend the gas tax until the day after the presidential election.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:19:02 PM EST
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What a sage comment (none / 0)


by linc on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:25:49 PM EST
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Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (none / 0)

So an economist is the standard of proof for every policy proposal now? That's fine with me, but lets apply this standard to every policy from every politician.

No more NYT hitpieces, politico reports, or Washington Post slant pieces. Only economists count.


by world dictator on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:30:09 PM EST

Huh? (none / 0)

I'm not exactly clear, here.  

What we're suggesting is that we, you know, listen to the experts in the fields of the various issues at hand.  Clinton is saying that experts are overrated and that we should go with our gut.

The Bush administration routinely ignores expert advice and has gotten the country into quite a pickle because of it.  Should we be making the same mistake?


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:41:11 PM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Who defines what an "expert" is? Many "Experts" were trotted out to say that Bill 93 tax plan would actually increase the deficit and throw us into a recession.


by Mayor McCheese on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:18:44 PM EST
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Re: Huh? (none / 0)

Are there ANY "experts being rolled out in support of her plan?  ANY at all?


by SKI on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:49:06 PM EST
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Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (none / 0)

AN economist versus a politician with an interest in seeing that the policy is considered helpful?

Someone who actually studies the issues, and has done so for years, vs a political hack?


by highgrade on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:57:52 PM EST
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Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (none / 0)

Who's to say an economist can't be a political hack also (Phil Gramm?)


by Mayor McCheese on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:16:37 PM EST
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Re: Study suggests gas tax holiday would work? (none / 0)

Um, when it's an economic policy, then yes, I like to see support from economists.  What's so odd about that?


by Lawyerish on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:04:13 PM EST
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Highgrade (none / 0)

Let's have a real conversation about this, ok?

As you may know, I wrote a detailed diary exploring these issues over the weekend.  At the time, I was assaulted by Obama supporters for daring to refute the ideologies expressed by some economists in opinion pieces and interviews.  Nevertheless, I presented factual data, and maintained that these economists were being too quick to judge, and had not properly considered all of the factors.

I have to be honest - now that two academic studies have come out, validating everything I said as I stood up against the ideologues, I'm pretty damned proud. :)  [the other study, which has received less attention, specifically focused on the federal gas tax]

So, here is the no-spin version of what we know:

(1) Tax incidence (who bears the burden of a tax) depends on two factors: the elasticity of demand, and the elasticity of supply.

(2) In the case where both demand and supply are prefectly inelastic, tax incidence should be 50/50.

(3) Demand for gasoline is almost perfectly inelastic in the short-term.

(4) The most recent academic study of state gas tax concludes that the consumer bears about 60% of the cost.

(5) The most recent academic study of federal gas tax concludes that the consumer bears about 50% of the cost.

None of this is up for debate.

(6) Several factors impacting the elasticity of supply have changed since these studies were conducted.  Specifically - refineries are now operating below capacity AND are reporting levels of surplus inventory that are above historic averages for this time of year.

From this, it is reasonable to conclude (though not certain) that supply has become more elastic.  If that is so, consumers would realize more than 50% of the savings.

(7) Something that neither of these studies could have considered: how does an excess profits tax impact all of this?  Again, it is reasonable to conclude that this would create a strong disincentive for raising price - taxing profits greatly reduces marginal revenue, while marginal costs would remain unchanged.

Summary: It is reasonable to expect that at least $4 billion of the $8 billion relief package would be captured by consumers, and therefore serve as a modest stimulus.  Given the additional factors (excess profits tax, excess supply, underutilized capacity), I would expect it to be greater than this.  Certainly, there is zero basis whatsoever to believe that $0 billion would go to consumers - all data and every study conducted on the subject refutes the Obama campaign's talking points on this.  And in no case would Big Oil capture additional profits - it is only a question of how much goes to consumers vs. how much is recaptured into the Highway Trust Fund via the excess profits tax.

Semi-related Food for Thought: The gas tax is one of the most regressive taxes in our entire system.  The proportion of income that a low-income household spends on gas is vastly higher than that same ratio for a high-income household.  Seen as a perecent of income, therefore, the gas tax puts an undue burden on those least able to bear it.  Alleviating and eventually restructuring this tax is the progressive thing to do.  (Also note that, in the longrun, we will need to find another way to fund our HTF.  Even at peak consumption, the gas tax is not sufficient, and we know consumption will decline over the coming years as we diversify our energy portfolio.)

How it relates to the candidates: Obama is not "bad" or "elitist" for not pursuing this modest relief package.  However, the rationale for the package is sound.  If Clinton is guilty of pandering, she has done so in a way that would provide genuine (albiet minor) short-term relief to those in need, and with no negative consequence.  What is "pandering" to some will be seen as "responsiveness" to another.

My purpose is not to advocate for the Holiday per se, but rather to put to rest the flawed logic that has been used to (falsely) suggest it would have a number of negative consequences.  There is simply no support for those assertions, and in fact the support we have runs contrary to them.


by bobbank on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:47:51 PM EST


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