Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fox story

Yes.  I know it's Fox News and I don't usually watch them.  But quite frankly, with MSNBC in the tank for Obama, I sometimes check it out.

Fox News has just revealed that they have obtained a picture of William Ayers stomping of the US Flag.  The story detailed the many links between Ayers and Obama and asked why Obama will not condemn William Ayers, a man even the Obama campaign admits to have links with.  They are repeating this picture as breaking news non-stop.

These stories are confirming what many have believed for some time...he is untested and unknown.  And the Republicans, Fox News and Co are going to defeat him by defining him.

And yes, we should be all over the Republicans for their unacceptable links to extremists too.  Trust me, I have been all over that in my hometown and with voters I meet, so there is no hypocrisy here.



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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Have you vetted everyone that the Clintons have ever worked with in politics?  This is absurd.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:42:07 PM EST

like who? (2.00 / 5)

but before you tell me, make sure they are people who held Hillary's first political fund raiser and that she worked for them in the private sector and that they were, you know, domestic terrorists who got away with it on a technicality.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:48:34 PM EST
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Re: like who? (none / 0)

Hillary worked at a San Francisco law firm that defended the Black Panthers and it had ties to the US Communist Party.  Now, that doesn't bother me, but I'm sure it does Fox.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:06:50 PM EST
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Someone has a crush!! (1.50 / 2)

Don't fight your feelings, you know you love him.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:09:13 PM EST
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No... (2.00 / 1)

...they were the people who Bill Clinton commuted two of their sentences as he was leaving office.


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:16:03 PM EST
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they have an excuse for this (none / 0)

they say the terrorists Clinton pardoned (the Weatherman and FALN bombed NYC) didn't serve on the same charitable board with a Clinton.  Of course not.  They were in prison.  It's hard to attend board meetings from lockup.  

It's silly, of course, the same silly way they dismiss a state like Wisconsin when they lose.

Still, Clinton pardoned a drug kingpin because Fat Tony Rodham (hills brother) received a $400,000 bribe.

Oh what the republicans and Fixed News will do with that, come October!


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:30:24 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

I don't know where you got the idea that I think Hillary is to blame.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:49:30 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (2.00 / 2)

and there are diaries tying Obama to things that have surfaced that were negative to Hillary...

We have the lunatic fringe run amok on both sides...

Check out this site for instance...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:06:54 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (2.00 / 1)

That's the new hope and change we are looking forward too - hatred!

I hope Obama is not defined by his supporters.


by Sandeep on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:38:17 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Certainly hope Clinton is not defined by hers...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:05:38 AM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Wow... just wow....

The poster that is making a name for him/herself by drive-by troll rates of any comment that does not fit the already accepted narrative is lecturing me...?

I was not fighting you... merely pointing out, yet again, the blatant hypocrisy of accusing Obama supporters of evil while painting Clinton supporters as innocent victims.... which is untrue to the point of being laughable


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:06:28 AM EST
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it is not like the republicans (2.00 / 2)

will not bring this up as long as we are 'very very quiet".  I agree that it is a GE issue.  That is why it is better to bring it up now while voters and the super delegates have a chance to think about how this is going to play in November.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:54:20 PM EST
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Why is Fox helping Hillary? (1.00 / 6)

Why does Fox want to knock out Obama?

Why does Fox prefer Hillary?

Even Ann Coulter has endorsed Hillary.

What dirt to they have on Hillary, teed up and read to spring on her, in October.

It must be BIG.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:13:35 PM EST
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Re: Why is Fox helping Hillary? (none / 0)

This doesn't attack a diarist or comment.  There is no reason to troll rate the comment, I've uprated it.


by shalca on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:47:58 AM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag (none / 0)

Um, yes.  Just about everyone has.  That's how the Kantor story got shot to shit so quickly.  If it was really a story it would have been out there by now, probably when Bill Clinton was running for re-election.

One of the best things regarding Hillary...we know exactly what we get.  We don't get out of left field pics & links to extremist and far, far left wing terrorists.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:20:52 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

You know what Fox News coverage of this issue tells me? Fox wants Hillary Clinton as the nominee.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:46:10 PM EST

It's so good... (none / 0)

to see the Republicans at Fox News working so hard to get the nominee they want, i.e., Hillary.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:46:26 PM EST

Re: It's so good... (none / 0)

The Republicans here are working pretty hard at that too.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:33:25 PM EST
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Oh lordy Oh lordy! I've got my nationalism (2.00 / 1)

all confused with patriotism! Whateva shall I do??


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:49:30 PM EST

Re: Oh lordy Oh lordy! I've got my nationalism (none / 0)

go with your anarchism...  seems to work for me...

Is anyone else thinking of the movie The American President right now...?  The picture of the President's girlfriend and a burning flag...  ummmm WAY before they knew each other....

Unless this picture is recent, which I sincerely doubt, the radical RW and the Obama-haters will get up in arms about it and that's about it.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:54:30 PM EST
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Re: Oh lordy Oh lordy! I've got my nationalism (none / 0)


 The picture is from 2001
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:02:09 PM EST
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Re: Oh lordy Oh lordy! I've got my nationalism (none / 0)

and Obama was there...?  In the background...?

Seriously, if you hate Obama, you'll love this... that is you will play it up for all it is worth...  If you don't hate him or don't have an opinion, I doubt it will register.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:05:08 PM EST
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Re: Oh lordy Oh lordy! I've got my nationalism (none / 0)

Freedom of speech leads to anarchy so the only conclusion that I can draw from that is the founders of our nation must have been anarchists!


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:40:02 PM EST
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interesting responses (2.00 / 0)

the usual, "oh this must mean Fox wants HRC"...which of course is not the point.  

The issue is, how are you people going to deal with this?  By calling names?  What will you do if this is actually designed to get Obama on the ticket, so they can use it against him?  What if this is about attaching Obama to down-ticket races?  Don't you want to help your candidate?


by 4justice on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:56:51 PM EST

Re: interesting responses (none / 0)

As a Democrat, how will you deal with it if he is the nominee?


by rfahey22 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:58:05 PM EST
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Re: interesting responses (none / 0)

I'm lost...  was it Obama stomping on the flag...?

No...?  It was someone else...?

ooooookay......  this is a problem for people who hate Obama already and are looking or validation....


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:59:51 PM EST
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Re: interesting responses (2.00 / 1)

Of course not. Ayers merely helped Obama kick off his initial political career. Then Obama worked for the guy for 8 years. And Michelle and his wife the terrorist are friends too. Just a casual association, all of it. I'm sure. In some alternate universe.


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by Pagan Power on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:16:06 PM EST
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Re: interesting responses (none / 0)

Wait, I'm lost.  Are you implying that Obama is a terrorist?


by shalca on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:38:50 AM EST
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They'll cry "not fair" (none / 0)

"That's not fair to show this picture or talk about this."


by catfish1 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:00:53 PM EST
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Some folks here are very naive (2.00 / 1)

You are being played by Fox, Rush, etc...and you cant see it. You are too wide-eyed and blushing over the slightest chance for Obama to go down in flames...you dont even see it. Wake up. Stop acting like a groupie and reconsider your priorities. Fox news stories like this and the right-wing smearing that follow them should offend you - instead it makes you giddy. Grow up.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:57:39 PM EST

Oh GAWD the irony. (none / 0)

You are too wide-eyed and blushing over the slightest chance for Obama to go down in flames...you dont even see it. Wake up. Stop acting like a groupie and reconsider your priorities. Fox news stories like this and the right-wing smearing that follow them should offend you - instead it makes you giddy. Grow up.

Is an Obama supporter really lecturing someone about acting like a groupie and not considering their priorities?

And then you go on about right-wing smearing and how it should offend us. I mean it isn't like Michelle didn't say that Hillary can't run the WH because she can't run her WH and the Obama campaign tried to get the press to write about the Clintons' sex life, brought up Monica, the blue dress, cattle futures etc.

I mean really. Do you people have to surrender your ability to be honest when you join the Obama camp?


by LatinoVoter on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:07:58 PM EST
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Re: Oh GAWD the irony. (none / 0)

Yes - I am calling those who push Fox stories with glee and others (apparently like you) who applaud it - groupies. You are embarassing yourself.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:37:00 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag (2.00 / 2)

Please people, there is no reason whatsoever for Barack Obama to denounce Ayers . . .

. . . that is unless, Ayers calls Obama a "politician".


If you had everything, where would you put it?
by wasanyonehurt on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:57:56 PM EST

Even more damaging is the (2.00 / 0)

interview and OpEd of the man who the WU tried to kill when he was 9. He's a registered Republican and I can see him starring in some ads in the fall with Barack as the nominee.

I hope all the DC elites that pushed Barack to run just to keep Hillary and Bill out of the White House are happy with themselves when he goes down in flames in the GE.

I know the Obama cult will find some way of blaming Hillary for his loss but they should really look at themselves, their tacky actions and the people who pushed him to run even though he wasn't ready.

They have nobody to blame but themselves.


by LatinoVoter on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:58:39 PM EST

Re: Even more damaging is the (none / 0)

Well, some WU are currently free because a certain President commuted their sentences...

Yeah, that would never be brought up in the fall.


by rfahey22 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:01:15 PM EST
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Apples and Oranges.... (none / 0)

President Clinton commuted the sentences of people who served time and who showed remorse. He didn't commute the sentences of people who never served a minute for their crimes and who wished they'd done more.

Furthermore and most importantly, Ayers didn't employ Hillary like he did Barack and Hillary didn't go to his house to have her political coming out party.


by LatinoVoter on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:11:39 PM EST
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Re: Apples and Oranges.... (none / 0)

Bullshit..


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:18:35 PM EST
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Re: Apples and Oranges.... (none / 0)

Hilarious.  This is how Clinton would respond to this Rovian attack - "the domestic terrorists showed remorse while appealing their sentences, so we let them go free"?  With which part of the Fox demographic do you expect that to sell?  Just insert "bin Laden" in place of "domestic terrorists" above and you can visualize the swiftboating that would occur.

I'm just speculating here, but I'm guessing that smears about releasing convicted domestic terrorists would play worse in Peoria than smears about working with a member of the WU, who was never convicted, decades later.  


by rfahey22 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:52:41 PM EST
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You keep telling yourself that. LOL (none / 0)


by LatinoVoter on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:47:53 PM EST
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Re: Even more damaging is the (none / 0)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!  Sorry, my hard-wiring installed when I took my cult-pledge makes me laugh at inappropriate moments.

That is all....

Eh, not really.... Are you really naive enough to believe that things will be all flowery and nice if Clinton is the nominee... that the RW attack machine will just take the Fall off...?


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:02:58 PM EST
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Oh dear. (none / 0)

Your strawman looks really out of season on Cinco De Mayo.


by LatinoVoter on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:13:43 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Yawn.

It does scare me a bit that Fox obviously thinks Hillary is the one to beat.  I don't know what's up the GOP's sleeve. Hopefully we can trust her that she's been fully "vetted" (I am beginning to hate that word so, so much) should she be the nominee. Fox seems to be working very hard on her behalf.

A little sketchy.


by AlexScott on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:59:50 PM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (2.00 / 0)

Fox News has just revealed that they have obtained a picture of William Ayers stomping of the US Flag.

1. Fox News 2. Guilt by association 3. Purely symbolic act of perceived anti-Americanism

How many more rightwing sources and frames can you fit in this diary?


by RP McMurphy on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:59:52 PM EST

"Breaking"? (2.00 / 0)

President Kennedy shot, Christ crucified by Obama supporter.




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:08:03 PM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:08:11 PM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Here is the photo.

Stomp that Flag


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by Pagan Power on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:12:17 PM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (2.00 / 0)

That doesn't look like Obama...


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:20:00 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Yeah... it isn't. It probably is a photo of the subject of the diary though.


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by Pagan Power on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:06:16 PM EST
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Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Ayers now has no chance of getting elected President!


by dannyinla on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:25:46 PM EST
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Date? verification? (none / 0)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Tue May 06, 2008 at 04:09:53 AM EST
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im not too worried about it (none / 0)


BHO/HRC 08
by omar little on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:38:09 PM EST

Stomping? (none / 0)


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:39:14 PM EST

Will McCain condemn Bush? (none / 0)

That is one associaton which trumps your association.


by optimusprime on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:39:56 PM EST

American President (2.00 / 0)

This reminds me of Michael Douglas' great assessment of a similar non-issue in that movie
Let me see if I've got this: The third story on the news tonight was that someone I didn't know 13 years ago, when I wasn't President, participated in a demonstration where no laws were being broken in protest of something that so many people were against it doesn't exist anymore?
Just out of curiosity, what was the fourth story?

Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:41:23 PM EST

Stomping American Flag SO WHAT (2.00 / 0)

Guess what I am a Liberal. Stomp the flag SO WHAT. Burn efigee of Bush SO WHAT. Burn Flag SO WHAT. The stupid people that live and die for a piece of cloth deserve my contempt for there simplistic thinking. Perhaps i should pander to there gulibal instincts and enslave there small minds.


by edtastic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:54:08 PM EST

What a joke (none / 0)

Obama has virtually no connection to this Ayers guy. He held a fundraiser once and gave $200 to Obama's campaign. Do you really want to get into a pissing match over shady people giving money to your candidate? How much money did Norman Hsu give to Hillary Clinton? What did the Clintons promise Marc and Denise Rich? And you bring up this guy?

Rev. Wright at least had a substantive relationship with Obama. Ayers is little more than a neighbor who lives in Hyde Park.


by elrod on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:56:14 PM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (2.00 / 0)

Sleep with pigs, wake up covered in sh*t, man

Time was, every good Democrat would have opposed this slimiest of right wing character assassination tactics.  Time was.

Our party has turned out to be made of glass.  How sad.  


by realcountrymusic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:01:23 PM EST

This is like the "other Monicas" diaries (2.00 / 0)

Seriously, this is the sort of low-down right-wing horseshit that either of candidates would face in the fall. If Hillary were the nominee we'd be hearing non-stop about the "other Monicas" - the new lovers of Bill Clinton since Monica. There was already a diary about it on Kos. Fortunately, most people there had the sense to slam the diarist for trading in pond scum.

Delete this diary or go back to Free Republic where you'll find real Republicans.


by elrod on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:10:20 PM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

By the way, this picture wasn't "just discovered." It was from Chicago Magazine in a 2001 review of Ayers's book. This picture, like the Obama photo in his "native Muslim dress" has been in the public domain for many years.


by elrod on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:12:35 PM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

>> And the Republicans, Fox News and Co are going to
>> defeat him by defining him.

Whether they succeed or not is a matter to be seen in the future.  You're certainly correct that they'll try, though.  It's what they do; there shouldn't be any surprise about that.

What does surprise me is how many Democrats seem eager to help them.


by Frood on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:32:46 PM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Now I'm very confused. Have I wandered onto a republican blog??? Complaining about someone stomping on an American Flag? Were it not for this primary election I would venture to guess that the progressives on this site would defend  the right to stomp/burn the American Flag. Public dissent of ones government is protected by law and I believe the height of Patrtiotism.....Is this My RepublicaDemocray?..MYRD


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Tue May 06, 2008 at 06:16:20 AM EST

Re: Pic of Ayers stomping on US Flag- 11th hour Fo (none / 0)

Yeah, but of course the candidate who actually co-sponsored anti-flag desecration legislation was...?  Anybody?  Bueller?


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Tue May 06, 2008 at 10:08:02 PM EST
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