Just don't get it? You will get this...

Since we're on the subject of dismissing people because of their Republican roots; I'd like to share Hillary's Republican roots.

There are many reasons why one would think Hillary is a Republican: like her echoing McCain's gas tax holiday, her acceptance of right winger Richard Mellon Scaife's endorsement, voting for the Iraq invasion/occupation, etc. But don't blame Hillary because she can't help it. Her Republican roots go deeper than all the reasons listed above (from Wikipedia):
Raised in a politically conservative family, she volunteered for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater in the United States presidential election of 1964. Her parents encouraged her to pursue the career of her choice. In 1965, Rodham enrolled in Wellesley College. She became active in politics and served as the president of the Wellesley College Chapter of the College Republicans.
But then we all make mistakes and Hillary learned her mistakes and finally switched to the Democratic party later in college. However, she has recently been more Republican-ish than a Democrat, in my opinion. But to be fair to the Clinton supporters, we shouldn't judge her because of her past associations. Hillary should be judged by her actions. Hopefully her supporters will be fair to Obama as well.
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this is crap (2.00 / 6)

the worst delusional diary of the day.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:55:53 PM EST

Re: Just don't get it? You will get this... (2.00 / 8)

Since, you know, backing equality for the GLBT community through positive rhetoric and backing of rights on everything from civil unions to non discrimination laws and anti-bullying laws, from trying to pass a form of universal health care, creating SCHIP, helping rural kids w/health care and education is TOTALLY Republican. There's also a bunch of other things she's done for the progressive movement, but I don't have time to list them.

Needless to say, now, because she won't bow to the Messiah, she's turned into a neo-conservative right winger, despite being more progressive or just as progressive as Obama on about every issue out there.

Tell you what. If Hillary's really a Republican, prove it to me, and I'll go switch my voter registration to GOP tommorrow.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:56:31 PM EST

Re: Just don't get it? You will get this... (1.00 / 1)

I agree with you. My point is we just shouldn't judge people simply because of where they came from.
by hienmango on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:07:58 PM EST
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You have no credibility - none..... (2.00 / 1)

when you say something like this:

Hillary's a troll!

and then try to sell this:

we just shouldn't judge people simply because of where they came from

Your words mean nothing to me.


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Sun May 04, 2008 at 06:10:24 PM EST
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Re: Just don't get it? You will get this... (none / 0)

Two things:

1. Of course she's not a Republican.

2. No, she didn't create SCHIP.  She stopped saying that after newspapers reported that she had misstated her involvement.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun May 04, 2008 at 05:19:00 PM EST
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Disagree (2.00 / 3)

I totally disagree.  I believe that Hillary will advance many progressive ideas if she becomes president.  I do doubt her ability to actually get bold initiatives passed due to her combativeness and general "we've got to fight them" attitude.  But at the same time, I feel she'll lead the country towards a better place than it's been.  That's why if she gets the nomination she'll regrettably get my vote.

I also think she is a panderer and a political opportunist, but only as far as it helps her get elected.  That's just one reason I support Obama in the primary.


by shalca on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:58:00 PM EST

Re: Disagree (2.00 / 1)

I also think he is a panderer and a political opportunist, but only as far as it helps him get elected  (Wright , Trinity, Meeks,  Caldwell, McClurkin to name a few)  That's just one reason I support Clinton in the primary.

I doubt his ability to stand up and define himself or what he truly believes in. I doubt his patriotism and his ability to move this nation past racial and identity politics. I doubt he has the resolve or the experience to keep this nation safe from it's enemies. I doubt his vision in science and the future by his promising to slash NASA's budget, putting the future of energy and energy research in peril.

Elmer Gantry with a website indeed!


by Iceblinkjm on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:29:21 PM EST
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Re: Disagree (none / 0)

The difference between what I wrote and what you wrote is this:  I defended your candidate of choice from a specious argument in a diary that she is somehow a Republican, even though I support her opposition.  I try to convince the diarist that she deserves our support if she wins the nomination.

You jump in to tear down my candidate and call him names.  How does this promote what I was trying to do?


by shalca on Sun May 04, 2008 at 08:40:06 PM EST
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I think that Hillary is a centrist (none / 0)

Unfortunately, the center has scooched right over the last seven years, so even centrists tend to look liberal.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:08:35 PM EST

Re: Just don't get it? You will get this... (none / 0)

You're right. We shouldn't judge people just from their association with other people in the past.
by hienmango on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:09:14 PM EST

Re: Just don't get it? You will get this... (2.00 / 4)

This dairy is just shameful.

"The great uniter". "Clinton is the one going negative".

Oh. Please.


by redwagon on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:23:40 PM EST

What's good for the goose... (2.00 / 1)

...is good for the gander.

I applaud the diarist for focusing on the reality that people change; and we shouldn't condemn them for that fact.

That being said, how many folks here scream about Hillary being a GOP'er early in her career, then go on back to their blog at the Big Orange, where it's acknowledge that Markos, himself, was a card-carrying Rethug until sometime around 1993, or thereabouts?

Inevitably, whether it's Markos, Obama or Clinton, we're talking about a bunch of self-styled moderates who are, in fact, Centrists in Progressive clothing.

I'm a Democrat of the most pragmatic sort, so I don't have a problem with that (I have other "issues" with Markos, but they're irrelevant to this comment thread); I have a problem with hypocrisy, however.

Any Daily Obamatrons joining in the chorus of this "Hillary-was-a-GOP'er-when-she-first-sta rted-out" are true hypocrites considering these same folks then mosey on over to the DKos chorus line initiated and run by someone of the very same ilk Hillary, too.


by bobswern on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:26:30 PM EST

Re: What's good for the goose... (1.00 / 1)


   First, Markos is not running for President.

  Second, no one cared about Republican links until Hillary whined about Obama's Reagan comments and then said John McCain would make a better CIC.

  So quit complaining. No one cares who Markos supported years ago. Most people don't give a shit who Hillary supported years ago. None of this was viable until Hillary complained about Obama's praise of Reagan (truly hypocritical on her part) and then stated that John McCain would be a better CIC than Obama.

  She's got no one to blame but herself if people want to call her out on that crap.


by southernman on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:34:43 PM EST
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Obama's brand is quite similar... (2.00 / 1)

...to Hillary's, in terms of the "ingredients," when you read the label as far as the issues are concerned.

Want to talk truth in advertising? The bottom line is the entire concept of spin is farther from what's actually inside the package when it comes to the Obama campaign.

Hillary's brand is just as powerful, if not moreso (because she's been around a lot longer and has a lot more experience)  than Obama's brand.

To all those that support Obama, I say: You support words, not actions. You buy the spin, not the end result. To you, change is a concept, not a reality. Hillary has lived this. Obama only speaks of it.

Dude, you've got some seriously troll-ish comments 'round the blog today. Chill out!


by bobswern on Sun May 04, 2008 at 05:05:58 PM EST
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Re: Obama's brand is quite similar... (none / 0)


   what comments of mine have been trollish? Enlighten me.
by southernman on Sun May 04, 2008 at 05:06:47 PM EST
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Re: Just don't get it? You will get this... (none / 0)

Ok, I get you. You say because I support Clinton I should vote for McCain in the general election if Obama is the nominee.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:44:10 PM EST

Re: Just don't get it? You will get this... (none / 0)

Here's what I don't get.  In the beginning of the campaign, Clinton steadfastly refused to answer hypothetical questions whose context was to up the fear quotient in America.  Almost all the candidates, to their credit, refused to be drawn into questions of nuking other countries.  And now here she is talking about obliterating Iran.  I don't get it.


by Piuma on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:51:24 PM EST

Re: Just don't get it? You will get this... (2.00 / 1)

This doesn't matter.  I grew up in the reddest county of a pretty red state (I'm here in Dan Burton country shudder).  It took me a long time to find my own political values, because I wasn't exposed to many things beyond the GOP.

I'm an Obama supporter, but Clinton is no more a Republican than I am.  


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:36:21 PM EST


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