Hillary Supporters Bashing Wright - you should be ashamed

Bill Moyers puts the Wright controversey in perspective. Fox news Hillary supporters should be ashamed to call themselves democrats.



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oh shove it (2.00 / 3)

Bashing Wright is no worse than Bashing Clinton.

And many fell very comfortable doing that on here.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:14:33 PM EST

Re: oh shove it (2.00 / 1)

Is Rev. Wright running for President? How is bashing Wright the same as bashing Clinton?


by elrod on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:29:03 PM EST
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Re: oh shove it (2.00 / 3)

Man oh man, I don't think Clinton Derangement Syndrome is curable.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:48:59 PM EST
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no he isnt running, but (2.00 / 3)

he took those 15 minutes of fame gladly at the NPC, so he is open to being criticized.

I have no qualms criticizing Rev. Wright. It doesn't make me any less of a democrat.

I also have no qualms about criticizing anyone else in the party, if not for criticism, the party will never move forward.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:51:28 PM EST
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You should then criticize Doug Coe and (none / 0)

his relationship with Hillary Clinton too:


Hillary Clinton's Spiritual Adivsor Doug Coe And His Curious Admiration For Nazis And Communist Killings

Doug Coe

   "Jesus says, `You have to put me before other people, and you have to put me before yourself.' Hitler, that was the demand of the Nazi Party. You have to put the Nazi Party and its objectives in front of your own life and ahead of other people!"
...
"That was a covenant. A pledge. That was what Jesus said."

Hillary Clinton on Doug Coe

   "[Doug Coe is] a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:07:32 PM EST
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look up thread (none / 0)

at my original comments.

I have no qualms criticizing anyone, that doesnt make me any less of a democrat.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:15:34 PM EST
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Re: You should then criticize Doug Coe and (none / 0)

WOW! That's like not the same thing at all.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:16:37 PM EST
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WrightBoating Obama is guilt by association (none / 0)

a pathetic one at that. Obama doesn't agree with, never agreed with and he condemned the bullshit aspects of Wright's rhetoric but as any person who puts to good use the gift of power of thought (from God/Mother Nature to all of us), Obama can and does separate good from the bad, and hence gives credit to the positive aspects of Wright and the TUCC, eg, helping inner city folks and serving as a marine etc, and TUCC is one of the most progressive churches out there.

The discussion on Wright has so far been unjust to:

  1. Wright (because credit isn't given to his good deeds)
  2. Obama
  3. TUCC
  4. Black church
  5. Racial relations
  6. Rational thought
  7. Reasoned discourse

If one insists on joining the Republigoons in WrightBoating Obama, then DougCoeBoating HRC is fair game as well.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:30:56 PM EST
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should be: 'Race relations' (none / 0)


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:32:04 PM EST
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Re: WrightBoating Obama is guilt by association (none / 0)

I don't think feeding your parishioners lies about the U.S. Government creating AIDS and committing acts of terrorism, or demonizing Israel is properly educating the black community or helping to ease race relations.  I don't doubt TUCC does a lot of good but Wright is a race-hustler living in a mansion who is no better than Al Sharpton and poisoning the reputation of black churches and the odds of a Democratic win in November.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:19:06 PM EST
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Those are the bad aspects of Wright. (none / 0)

Obama bears no guilt for them and he condemned them in strongest terms.

If you have any direct relation to Wright, you should feel free to criticize him on what he says through those channels, but channeling it through Obama is simply unfair and inappropriate guilt by association.


Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers
by NeuvoLiberal on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:26:05 PM EST
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Re: Those are the bad aspects of Wright. (none / 0)

Obama is not credible when he says he heard nothing of the sort in those 20 YEARS in the Rev's pews and that he was shocked by what he saw at the Press Club and on those videos.  His negatives are rising because his explanation just has too many holes.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:39:40 PM EST
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what does criticizing (none / 0)

Wright, or ANYONE for that matter, have to do with your party affiliation?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:12:14 PM EST
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Don't be distracted (none / 0)

Few of us are undecided, many of us are passionate, but we should keep our rhetoric from stooping to ad hominem and guilt by association.  

Is Wright on the ballot?  How about Bosnia?  Are these issues that we will face in the coming years?   We have serious problems in this country.  We are torturing people, for heaven's sake, our economy is reeling after years of neocon insanity, we have a looming health care crisis, and the threat of global warming.

Every time I see a comment here raising the manufactured distractions of the mainstream media, I wonder just how progressive that person can be.  Why don't you just post on foxnews.com?

There's a chance for real populism this election, with Clinton or Obama, so don't carry this shallow approach to politics to the general election, whoever becomes the nominee.


by clad on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:04:13 PM EST
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wtf (none / 0)

does criticism have to do with who is on the ballot.

I will criticize anyone I want. How does that make me less of a Democrat?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:11:04 PM EST
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wtf indeed (none / 0)

Sure, we can run around yammering about Wright, Bitter gate, or whatever bs comes up, I just urge that we be more responsible participants in political discourse.

How does democracy work?  Do we judge our candidates with the approach used on reality tv, or are we engaged at some level of critical thinking?

Gaffes and guilty by association have no place in political discourse among progressives.  Be a better democrat, stick to the issues.


by clad on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:38:34 PM EST
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that is bullshit (none / 0)

I've rarely commented on Wright and rarely commented on bittergate.

I rarely commented on Tuzla.

But that does not mean i CANNOT criticize people because it will make me a bad democrat or "not a real democrat"

If we cant criticize, we might as well just shut down the blogosphere.

And Clad - I've commented more on the issues than anything else since early 2007. Whether it be health care, foreign policy, DOMA or keeping up to date on how corrupt Gonzales/Wolfowitz/Rummy were in 2007.

Again, how does CRITICISM make me any less of a democrat.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:41:20 PM EST
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Re: that is bullshit (none / 0)

Reread my posts.  You'll note I didn't say you couldn't criticize.  I didn't mention that.  Don't make a straw man, mmkay?

As progressives, we shouldn't pursue logical fallacies in our criticisms - guilt by association and ad hominem being the most suspect, and most common, that I see bandied about here and elsewhere.


by clad on Tue May 06, 2008 at 01:52:50 PM EST
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You must get your news by stage coach. (2.00 / 2)

How else can you explain still using last month's talking points when even Barack has rejected, denounced and divorced himself from Wright?

Please keep up, Barack threw Wright under the bus and  you're no longer expected to defend him.


by LatinoVoter on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:15:43 PM EST

Especially When She Invited Him to White House (none / 0)

when she and Bill were going through Impeachment.  Who did they turn to for Prayer & Support?  Yes, the higly respected Rev. Wright!  And Hillary surrogates Sheila Jackson Lee & Rev. Dsyon all have strong ties to Rev. Wright, but you would know it by the MSM!


by bacalove on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:19:22 PM EST

Re: Especially When She Invited Him to White House (2.00 / 1)

and about 1000 other black preachers were invited to that dinner also.  He didn't baptize or marry them either.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:24:22 PM EST
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Re: Especially When She Invited Him to White House (2.00 / 2)

the difference is the Clinton's also invited a hundreds of other black preachers. Wright was basically just there because he knew a lot of people who knew a lot of people, and because he was part of the Chicago political machine. Moreover, unlike Barack Obama, Bill and Hillary did not call him their "moral compass" and "spiritual advisor" for 20 years, and they were not married and Chelsea baptized by him.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:44:00 PM EST
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Do you know the history of Wright/Moyers? (2.00 / 1)

And do you believe the questions asked were softball questions, or truly difficult ones?

I agree it was a good interview and cast Wright in a more favorable light.  That was good.  

But even Wright himself acknowledged that Obama was doing what he had to do as a politician, leaving the door open that at least some of his views were held by Obama.

Your anger is misplaced, and should be placed on republicans who are using this against Obama.  That is the work you have to do, not bash HRC supporters because we dare to point out that Wright could be a problem for Obama.

I personally do not think Wright is something to celebrate... I think he is an embarassment and frankly an albatross around Obama's neck.  I wish Obama had been more forthcoming earlier, and I wish he had distanced himself way before this primary season began.


by 4justice on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:20:39 PM EST

Re: Do you know the history of Wright/Moyers? (none / 0)

On the politician remark, I actually interpreted it differently. I saw Wright as saying that the video snippets created a political problem for Obama and that, as a politician, he had to respond to it. I didn't see it as Wright saying that Obama is a typical lying politician who was hiding his real beliefs. Much of the media interpreted it as if Wright was outing Obama's radicalism and not that Obama had to respond to distorted video clips.

Obama, in public at least, seemed to feel Wright was insinuating Obama lying too. I don't know if Obama privately interpreted it that way, but that's how he viewed it publicly. Maybe I'm wrong on this after all and Wright really was selling Obama out.

As for the denunciation, the problem was that Wright's desire to settle scores with the media made him look like the buffoon on the video snippets and not the reasoned and contextualized man on the Moyers interview.

I don't think Wright is a crazy black nationalist extremist. But I do think he's an exhibitionist who loves the sound of his voice and who loves confrontation with the media. Obama was collateral damage.


by elrod on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:34:33 PM EST
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Re: Do you know the history of Wright/Moyers? (none / 0)

as much as I dislike Obama, I couldn't help but feel bad that he was betrayed by his own pastor that way, when he went to such pains to explain and not disown him.  But I truly believe he is unelectable in the fall now thanks to the good rev's comedy routine at the press club, and we need to nominate Hillary now more than ever.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:44:53 PM EST
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Re: Do you know the history of Wright/Moyers? (2.00 / 1)

I totally agree.  If my party nominates Obama after this fiasco, get ready to say President McCain.  The GOP will have the masses imagining Wright in the White House.  And the center right majority will not allow it.


by Tolstoy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:40:30 PM EST
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Re: Do you know the history of Wright/Moyers? (none / 0)

if he acts like a buffoon, thinks like a buffoon and talks like a buffoon, odds are pretty good he is a buffoon.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:55:52 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Supporters Bashing Wright.... (none / 0)

Bill Moyers makes Larry King look like a real hellraiser in comparison. btw, at the Press Club Monday, even the good Rev. admitted his more inflammatory statements were edited out in Moyer's slobberfest, errr interview last week.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:21:02 PM EST

I usually read/watch a post before commenting. (none / 0)

If you had actually watched the video you would know that it is quite recent. Moyers comments after the press club appearance and after Barack broke with him. You might want to actually watch the vid I posted before commenting. But I guess that is what Hillary supporters do - stick their fingers in their ears and say "La La La I'm not listening". You would rather have your glorified image of Clinton rather than the obvious evidence of her true self.
by mageduley on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:25:10 PM EST

Re: I usually read/watch a post before...... (none / 0)

evidence of what? no hillary supporter is giving Hagee, Robertson or the late not great Falwell a pass either.  I think you meant to post this at redstate.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:37:18 PM EST
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Wow (2.00 / 2)

We're back to defending Wright now?

I don't know if you got the memo, but your candidate said to disown him.  After pointing out that Barack was a politician who would say anything to get elected, it was time for Wright to meet the underside of the bus.

Hadn't you heard?


by bobbank on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:39:56 PM EST

moyers (none / 0)

is an american treasure.

if only our politicians were as level headed and eleoquent.

he could teach diplomacy to the diplomats.


by citizendave on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:46:37 PM EST

What Wright, Rezko say about National Security (none / 0)

This is a legitimate issue and if Obama were running against a man, he would be running the kind of attack ads the Republicans will run in a few months. And the media would say well, this is politics.

Obama is easily charmed by monstrous men. And he thinks highly of his own ability to charm others. They have no qualms letting him believe he's charmed them while they play him till the cows come home.


by catfish1 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:58:10 PM EST

Re: What Wright, Rezko say about National Security (none / 0)

According to Sen. Clinton's statement about Nazi admirer Doug Coe, "a genuinely loving spiritual mentor", Sen.Clinton is easily charmed by monstrous men.


by Roberta on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:43:56 PM EST
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Let me go onto a mountaintop (2.00 / 2)

and ponder my purity as a Democrat. from now on I'll blame us for 9/11, call Italians "garlic noses," say that blacks and whites learn differently, hate Jews, and top it all off with a chorus of, "God Damn America!"


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:04:48 PM EST

Wright said Clinton was riding black people dirty (none / 0)

and that Hillary was never called a n*%%er. He also said God Damn America.

But, its Obama who has put Wight down. He not only said he found his comments last week offensive, but he also criticized his body language.

If you want to admonish someone not to put Wright down talk to Obama.


by mmorang on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:17:01 PM EST

Obama bashed Wright, Shameful!!!!!! (none / 0)

But he did it only after he saw how his polls were affected. He threw his pastor under the bus because of polls.


by mmorang on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:19:43 PM EST

Obama & Supporters: The Chickens are Coming (2.00 / 1)

Home to roost.


by mmorang on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:22:11 PM EST

A pastor who simulates copulation during a sermon (2.00 / 1)

is going to get criticized.

Wright: "Bill Clinton rode her dirty"

It's not just off-color, its factually incorrect. Bill Clinton never rode her at all according to the record. To the extent that he "rode" her at all, he rode her clean.


by mmorang on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:30:09 PM EST

Hey Obama Supporters (none / 0)

If the Clinton supporters want to make Wright the central issue, that's their choice.

We also have choices.

Let's make Clinton's Bosnia lie our central issue. Let's write a dozen diaries every day about how Bosnia makes Clinton unelectable. Every day let's repeat the same message about how it goes to her character and is part of a pattern of dishonesty.

Let's bring it up in every thread as our first line of defense. Let's make it clear that should Clinton become the nominee, this lie will be seized on by the Republicans, and let's speculate that they will unearth even more lies. Let's remind people every day that the 527s will use clips of Bosnia in their ads.

I'm starting work on a couple of Bosnia diaries right now. If we work together, we should be able to have several Snipergate diaries up by mid-afternoon.

I know many Clinton supporters will find this idea ridiculous or contemptuous , but hey, we might as well get some more mileage out of it. Plus it's a stronger issue than Wright in many ways, because unlike Wright, Clinton is actually running for President. Personally, I don't think her Tuzla lie is a huge issue, but I'm happy to feign outrage about it for the sake of my candidate.


by jdusek on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:30:13 PM EST

Re: Hey Obama Supporters (2.00 / 1)

umm, are you suggesting Obama supporters have been restrained in their criticisms of Hillary Clinton up to this point? have you heard of a little site called dailykos?


by Todd Beeton on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:39:52 PM EST
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Re: Hey Obama Supporters (none / 0)

Not at all. I'm saying that I find some people's single-minded obsession with Wright bizarre.

If people want to write endless diaries bashing Obama for his ideas or mistakes, go ahead. But most of the Wright diaries here are only tangentially about Obama.

For example, there is diary up right now claiming Wright stole the wife of a parishioner that asks, "Is this the kind of spiritual advisor we want for the potential next President of the United States?"

If people want to use Obama's former pastor as a stand in for honest criticism of Obama, then I think it's fair game to use Clinton's Bosnia lie as a proxy for any meaningful discussion of her candidacy. Rather than discuss her policies or positions, I'll just write about snipers and flak jackets ad nauseum. Cool?


by jdusek on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:11:02 PM EST
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Re: Hey Obama Supporters (none / 0)

One more example, just to clarify what I'm talking about:

A couple of days ago one of MyDD's most popular members wrote a diary linking the gas tax holiday to Rev. Wright.

Some people can't even talk about specific policies or proposals without bringing up Obama's former pastor.

Wright has become a crutch.


by jdusek on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:20:58 PM EST
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Re: Hey Obama Supporters (none / 0)


First we wanted to know whats the deal with him being raised a muslim.

Obama
"My father was from Kenya," he said, "and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam."
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 007/12/22/531492.aspx

This appears to be a false statement
As per Obama's website
"Obama Found Faith During Community Organizing Days. "It was at Trinity United Church of Christ here, in the late 1980s, that Senator Obama says he found religion. Raised in a secular household, with ancestral roots running from Islam to Baptist to atheist, Obama had grown up a skeptic. But Mr. Wright's blend of scripture and social action resonated with Obama, then a young community organizer in black neighborhoods ravaged by steel-mill closings." [Christian Science Monitor, 7/16/07]"
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/200 7/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1. php

Another false claim on Obama's website appears to be

"Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim. Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ."
http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/200 7/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1. php

This seems to be false
http://www.indonesia-ottawa.org/informat ion/details.php?type=news_copy&id=38 34

Obama's sister

"My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim," said Maya Soetoro-Ng, Mr. Obama's younger half sister. But Mr. Obama attended a Catholic school and then a Muslim public school where the religious education was cursory. When he was 10, he returned to his birthplace of Hawaii to live with his grandparents and attended a preparatory school with a Christian affiliation but little religious instruction.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/pol itics/30obama.html?_r=1&hp&oref= slogin

Obama's same sister after press figured out what she said

"I'm not worried. I don't want to deny Islam. I think it's obviously very important that we have an understanding of Islam, a better understanding. At the same time, it has been erroneously attached to my brother. The man has been a Christian for 20 years. "
http://www.africaresource.com/content/vi ew/489/68/

Obama on Wright
"Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith"

So the issue is relevant because Obama as Christian vs Obama as Muslim is something OBAMA has been pushing.

So its totally fair what kind of Christian is he.

And when we look we see all kinds of half truths (Wright is a patriot because he was in the marines and saying god damn America is ok) and statements he doesn't want to stand behind etc.


by DTaylor on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:28:05 PM EST
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Re: Hey Obama Supporters (none / 0)

Congrats, DTaylor. You have just raised the bar. I thought linking Wright to the gas tax holiday was the week's most convoluted argument, but your ability to link Wright to Obama being a secret Muslim puts you in the lead.

Anyone want to try to top this one? Perhaps a diary connecting the Wright YouTube clips to Obama's position on net neutrality? How about Wright and Obama's preference for orange juice versus black coffee -- is he trying to conceal his racial views through his beverage choices? What else can we link Wright to?


by jdusek on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:24:30 PM EST
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Re: Hey Obama Supporters (none / 0)

I didn't say he was a secret muslim.

I said he wasn't clear on his responses and has changed his story and THAT is why this is relevant.


by DTaylor on Sun May 04, 2008 at 05:05:21 PM EST
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Re: Hey Obama Supporters (none / 0)

Clinton got caught, admitted her lie, apologized for embellishing and added how embarrassed she was.  That is enough penance for me.  But BHO is simply not credible claiming that he had never heard such bile from his pastor till seeing the Press Club Q&A.  He sat in his pews for 20 YEARS!


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:50:02 PM EST
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Re: Hey Obama Supporters (none / 0)

Clinton got caught, insisted it really happened just like she described it, then offered a bunch of different excuses, finally admitted that she wasn't being truthful during the last debate but still snuck in the "I was tired" excuse, and a few days later Bill was talking about it again. She wasn't exactly forthright.

But that's not my point. I'm not saying it's not fair game to bring up Wright. I just think it's ridiculous how often it gets brought up and how often it's used as a non-sequitur. If people want to diary non-stop about Wright as a way to avoid discussing real issues, then I can diary around the clock about Tuzla.


by jdusek on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:11:17 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Supporters Bashing Wright - you should (none / 0)

First of all, next time give some context for your criticism instead of requiring readers to watch a video to understand your point. Talk about a drive by diary.

But on Moyers...

I think he's right here for the most part. A couple things though. Yes, there is a double standard when it comes to Wright and Hagee but to say it's "all about race" is a simplification. People don't know Barack, people think they know John McCain so it makes sense they'd hold Barack's connections to Wright to a higher standard than they hold McCain's connections to Hagee. Also, we're used to white rightwing preachers saying crazy shit and we dismiss it. Wright represents something completely new so it actually makes sense that the media and voters would pay more attention to him. Now as for the media, yes they played up that initial Wright You Tube but when Barack gave his speech, the media covered that too and raved about it and played clips of it over and over. The net effect was to dilute the Wright story and leave Obama stronger. The problem has come when Wright re-appeared on his sabotage tour, the first stop on which was Moyers himself. So Moyers seems to be saying that the media covering his Wright interview was OK because it was dignified but covering Wright's next few appearances when he went off the rails was not. Umm, really?

Now you can criticize Hillary supporters for going after Obama for his connections to Wright in ways that echo the attacks Fox News and rightwingers levy on him if you want; it makes me cringe to see that as well. But I hope you'll also criticize all the Democratic Obama fans attacking Hillary in ways that echo how the Clintons were attacked in the 90s and how rightwing media attacks her today. It's happening on both sides, you'd be blind not to notice.


by Todd Beeton on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:37:29 PM EST

Re: Hillary Supporters Bashing Wright - you should (none / 0)

You have to admit that the Wright attacks have been way over the top, especially here, when compared to the attacks on Hillary.


by shalca on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:29:13 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Supporters Bashing Wright - you should (none / 0)

not even close.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:43:57 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Supporters Bashing Wright - you should (none / 0)

BlueDoggyDogg, you yourself have done more Wright diaries than any group here has written about Tuzla.


by shalca on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:51:00 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Supporters Bashing Wright - you should (none / 0)

i've only done 3, one was satiric.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:07:02 PM EST
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Re: Hillary Supporters Bashing Wright - you should (none / 0)

I would think that the right place for McCain issues with his minister would be in the fall, when the republicans will be using Wright in any way they can if Obama is the one running.  In a way, getting Wright out of the way now is preferable to springing him into the Stage right before November.  There wouldn't be a chance for McCain to think up an explanation that would satisfy the voters if there were only a few weeks left.  In fact, had Wright shown up on the public scene right before the first few democratic primaries, Hillary would be our nominee now. We will need something to get at McCain about in time for the fall election.


by Scotch on Sun May 04, 2008 at 05:14:15 PM EST
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Moyers asked no difficult questions (2.00 / 1)

Wright was on is best behavior and now we know more about him. this interview is no longer relevant. He chose to give the interview and go in front of the press club  He proved he has some ridiculous and outlandish ideas.  Obama knew it and chose to stay at the church.  I am sorry that is inconvenient for you.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:01:48 PM EST

Re: Moyers asked no difficult questions (none / 0)

Wright said more than once at the Press Club that the interview was heavily edited and didn't convey his real views.  Besides, Moyers is as hard-hitting as a Care Bear, I fall asleep just looking at him.


by BlueDoggyDogg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:28:58 PM EST
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re (none / 0)

I'm an American I can be critical of anyone and anything I please


by rossinatl on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:42:53 PM EST

Re: Hillary Supporters are following Obama's lead (none / 0)

I am not watching the video.  I've had enough of Wright, but I notice Obama is bashing him, too. I imagine that if he wasn't running for president Obama would be a lot more candid and a little less nice, at that.


by Scotch on Sun May 04, 2008 at 05:06:15 PM EST


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