The DNC really stepped in it today.  

just in case you missed that cool pic at the end of the diary. :)

that should have been awarded in the fake contests that were MI & FL. Or 50-50 which is the same thing. Clinton got a gift.

well, that's an ugly sight- democratic voters seeking equal and proportional representation in the candidate selection process being muscled out by the hired goons of the party elite. i haven't seen it since chicago. we lost that year, as i remember.

You and certain others protesting have absolutely no respect for the rules, nor the Michigan Democratic Party (who proposed the compromise), nor the 17 million people who voted for Obama, nor the millions of Hillary supporters who want to see the Democrats win in November and will support Obama.

Shame on you!

Hey alegre I admit I don't know what the hell is going on with this whole DNC meeting I was at an occasion with this cookie Liberal and he bore the hell out of me.

How many delegates did she get in Michigan and how many did Obama get ?

in the audience was beyond the pale.

MI & FL are resolved, now let's beat McCain.

I could have sworn this was you:

seriously.

so what exactly did obama do to earn those delegates from michigan the rbc gave him today? i need a job like that.

There were no "fake" contests.  They were real elections in which real people went to the polls and cast votes.  And then insiders took some of those votes and gave them to someone who took his name off the ballot as part of a strategy to curry favor with Iowa and N.H.  Worst stealing of votes since Fl. 2000.

Another positive diary by Alegre!

Surely this one is also about democracy!

Nope. Again. More of the same. Its all about your candidate. Its all about Hillary's votes. Its all getting taken away from her.

Is compromise in your dictionary, Alegre?

FL and MI are going to be seated. But that isn't enough!

By the way, I have no sympathy for that woman. She was taken out because she was disrupting the committee. According to her, she was warned. She got a small bruise.

Wreck list here we come!

This is sad.  Very sad.

When you break the rules you have to be punished. What about the millions of voters that didn't vote because they were told that the election wouldn't count?  Aren't we disenfranchising those folks or only the folks that were Hillary supporters?

no offense or anything, but why still Donate? SD and MT are on Tuesday does she really still need money to compete on tuesday?

and after that are you really implying she will be the nominee still?

Since there's not much to really debate in her diary (it's all a bit bitter to me...), why not go over here and write about your best memory in Democratic Party history.

Could be a protest you attended, could be a campaign you worked on, could be a speech you saw.  While they boobear here, we'll keep it positive over there.

He should be fired TONIGHT

There were no "fake" contests.  They were real elections in which real people went to the polls and cast votes.  And then insiders took some of those votes and gave them to someone who took his name off the ballot as part of a strategy to curry favor with Iowa and N.H.  Worst stealing of votes since Fl. 2000.

The fake outrage is over.  Time to admit you lost.

...and this is it:

Yes, when you're disruptive at a meeting, they generally do throw you out.

If I'd had my druthers, they'd have stopped the meeting every time there was heckling, and removed whoever had spoken out of turn.

I won't speak about the decision itself, but the fact is that some of Clinton's supporters in that hall were way out of line, and did themselves and their candidate no favors whatsoever.

I don't know where alegre is from, but I'm going to say the same thing I said to someone from Arkansas.

The Michigan Democratic Party offered that proposal, you know..people in touch with the voters of that state. The RBC accepted it (subject to 1/2 penalty). Unless you're from Michigan, I don't believe you have a right to bitch about the MI compromise.

There is no good that can come of us being here. In fact, I only stepped in to help get you out. I'm outta here.

I read your post.  And nowhere in your lengthy explanation of what happened do you mention the most salient point -- the very same RBC had voted to strip both states of their delegates long before the contest happened.  If you're willing to ignore the most significant fact, its not surprising the whole thing "makes no sense" to you.

My perspective as an Obama supporter is if you're going to set the rules for a contest, don't change them after the contest is over.  But on balance it was a fair compromise.  As I suspect you realize.  The primary problem for Clinton and her supporters was that she was so far behind, she couldn't accept a fair compromise, since it would effectively end her crusade.  So instead she put forth arguments about how she should get from Michigan -- a state that would be pretty close to even in a fair contest -- more delegates than she got in New York.  Significantly more.  Her proposal was so unreasonable I doubt it garnered much consideration.

So they split the difference.  Pretty fair.  And no, she didn't have any delegates "taken away" from her.  Because under the rules at the time of the actual vote, THERE WERE NO DELEGATES AT STAKE.  So she basically gets extra delegates above and beyond what was provided by the rules of the game that everybody started out.  Now, again, she was so far behind that the small number of delegates she gained today won't make any difference.  But that has nothing to do with Michigan or Florida, does it?

Why do you hate the MI State Party that drafted this?....

As for your points?

I leave it to the great Miles Davis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4FAKRpUC YY

Not that I would question that teacher who was ejected for rude behavior -- condemned by Clinton supporters on the commission but

Bruises change colors over time in a predictable pattern, so that it is possible to estimate when an injury occurred by the color of the bruise. Initially, a bruise will be reddish, the color of the blood under the skin. After one to two days, the red blood cells begin to break down, and the bruise will darken to a blue or purplish color.

Her bruise was awfully dark for having just been ejected -- not that I'm questioning a heckler or anything.

Alegre, are you endorsing the comments of that vile monster in your updated video?  I feel like I'm in bizarro world, even for a site is delusional as this.

She really needs to tone up those triceps....someone's gonna get hurt at church with those things flapping round.

Everytime Alegre posts another hand wringing, teeth gnashing and misery wailing diary about how horrible everything is and how Obama's stealing everything and murdering America, I'm just going to post the follow graphic I lifted off of DailyKos:

That way, I can panic at the end of the world in solidarity.

maybe now that the many reasonable Hillary supporters have seen just how unreasonable and undignified the anti-Obama people can be, they will do their best to disassociate themselves from that bunch and their campaign of destruction.  

Oh, and at this point I would consider this diarist to belong to the later group.  Her position is becoming increasingly ridiculous and trollish.

for student guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ9qWpa2r Ig

alegre, as always, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for writing this.  So often, I find the words I wish to say in your diary.  Without the time or the means to be so eloquent, it means the world of me to see this stuff already out there.

As has been demonstrated amply by the folks over at TalkLeft, the FL delegation qualified for the safe harbor provision relevant to the DNC rules.  Furthermore, the idea that Barack Obama deserves a single delegate out of MI after taking his own name off the ballot and spitting in the of MI voters is abhorrent.

Thou shalt not steal.

I'm trying to fight the good fight out here in South Dakota, but with each passing day, I find myself less and less wanting to be a part of this party.  I know I'll get plenty of flak for that, but it is what it is.  The DNC has decided against every single person of relevance in my lifetime being equal to the other voters in this country.  It is extremely, extremely hard to reconcile that with my lifetime Democratic Party support.

I will fight this with every last bone in my body.  Hillary Clinton, the sole voice of the Democratic Party for what is right by MI and FL votes, will have my undying support.  I fight on for my candidate, the only person willing to take a stand for the votes of me and my loved ones, and I will never--even if she is forced out of the race by the corrupt forces leading our sorely misguided organization--lay down my arms.

What happened today was a travesty of democracy.  There are simply no other words for it.  It cannot, and should not, stand, and I will never surrender until it is either brought down to its rightful demise.  Until then, I put the causes of righteousness above my party.  Until then, there is no end.

While Hillary left her name on the ballot, and it may have cost her a few Iowa votes, she at least left her name on the ballot.

If you want votes, you get your name on the ballot. Giving delegates to a man who got no votes sets a very crooked precedent.

Especially with taking four votes from Hillary to give to Obama, there is more political capital to take this to the Credentials Committee. If only to straighten out the crooked precedent of taking votes away from one candidate to give to another.

I know it sucks right now. I know you don't want to think about this ending right now, but...when it does...take some time off politics. Hang out with your family. Do something you love. Losing is hard. And painful. Losing an election so closely, even more painful.

So, it'll hurt for a while. Take care of yourself. And when you're feeling better, come back and get ready for the next fight, because progressive politics is a lot bigger than any one candidate.

I recall a few days ago, when it was convenient to attack Obama, you said:

You want unity guys - start by issuing a no-holds-barred condemnation specifically aimed at what this hate-monger said.  Tell the world in no uncertain terms that you will not be associated with these hateful and sexist rants - attacks that are directed against a fine and decent woman and public servant.  Stand up to the haters - tell them that attacks on your colleagues in the US Senate are an attack on you and you condemn them without hesitation or equivocation.  

And yet now you post a video that includes a hateful attack on Obama as an "Inadequate black male."  Guess hate speech isn't such a big deal anymore.

Remove the video from your diary, in the name of decency.

that you updated your diary to add.

I'm sorry you feel hurt.

I'm sorry you feel betrayed.

I'm sorry you feel that the plan offered by the Michigan state Democratic Party was unfair to Michigan.

alegre, you're an articulate writer and I think you've written some good pieces at DKos and here over the years but I think it's time to face reality here.

I supported Clinton too and I am saddened at a lot of things that transpired over the primary season. However, I think it is time now to put down the ax and join your fellow Democrats in supporting the nominee.

69/59, so he actually compromised to give her more delegates today.

and that spells desperation to me.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. by Mahatma Gandhi.

DNC can nominate BO if they really want President McCain.

I don't really have a problem with Obama being given the uncommitted delegates.  By the time MI was held, Hillary, Edwards and Obama were the only ones running.  With Edwards endorsing Obama, most all of those delegates would have gone to him anyway.

Giving him four of Hillary's delegates is weird.  Has any explanation been given for this?  It won't change the outcome, so it seems like a real slap in the face.

It says everything that needs to be said about you that you fail to realize this video does Hillary Clinton no favors.

As far as I'm concerned, I could give two sh!ts is she votes democratic.  She is a overt racist, irrational in her argument and frankly disturbing in her ignorance.

I understand that she is upset, but what the RBC did today was well beyond what Hillary Clinton could have reasonably expected, and far, far more than she (or more importantly MI and FL) were entitled to.  No amount of outrage will ever change the fact that these were sham elections, and because of their status as such, these states left no possible way to fairly enfranchise their citizens.  Magically awarding delegates in a contest that was held with a clear understanding (affirmed by even Hillary Clinton) that no delegates were at stake enfranchises noone.  Sorry, but all the pretending in the world does make these elections meaningful.

It's over, and Hillary's attempt to steal this election is defeated as well.

just like your "candidate."

you lose.

L-O-S-E.

today. tomorrow. always.

goodbye.

Outstanding job Alegre

I am so proud of you.

You, me and Harriet Christian are all on the same page.

this election unified or do you plan to fight forever?

The nomination was decided conclusively today and nothing is going to stop Obama from being the nominee.

Your decision is McCain or Obama.

Which do you prefer?

Is it normal for someone on the Rules and Bylaws Committee to vote on an issue affecting their employer?  Talk about a conflict of interest.  Ickes should have abstained from voting.

I have news for you:

This is not the first time that you have been pushing your snake oil manufactured bullshit "outrage" on the bloggosphere. The difference is that right now, the entire world can see what kind of crap we've had to put up with in the blogosphere from you and your fellow drones.

And I have news for you: it looks really, really bad for your case.

You see, brinksmanship only works for as long as you are capable of putting up an organized facade. And what people saw today wasn't a movement, but a screaming mob of drooling idiots. Are we supposed to believe that this -- a group of screaming, batshit crazy Clintonista thugs -- is the forefront of a real schism in the party?

Sorry, not buying it.

And by the way, I notice that you and your cohorts didn't have anywhere near this kind of outrage when she did nothing while her operatives in the DNC, to a person, including Harold Ickes, voted to strip Florida of its delegates. In fact, her campaign issued a press release defending stripping Florida's delegates just a few days later. And the only person who dissented from this decision was an Obama supporter.

You cannot expect us all to be stupid enough to continue to fall for this scam.

I will say this, however. Senator Clinton has made me determined -- to see that she loses her Senate seat in 2012. Preferably to an actual New Yorker with actual progressive credentials.

"And the democrats are throwing the election away, for what? An inadequate black male?  Who would not have been running had it not been a white woman that was running for president. . . God Damn the democrats. . . And they think we won't turn and vote for McCain.  Well, I have news for all of you, McCain will be the next president of the United States."

You're really going to use the words of this woman to add to your diary?  Go away, this site is clearly not for you.

will not forget what happened today when it comes time to vote in November.  If the Democratic Party thinks they can do this without Clinton supporters, they'll have a rude awakening come election day.

NYT headline - 1/2 vote blow to Clinton. She's fine with 1/2 vote, and nothing about guy not on ballot given all votes she didn't win plus a few she did against the party constitution. Go figure?  I guess the fix really is in. This can't be for African American citizens, who can't get community services, safe and good schools, protection from racist police, protection from predatory lenders, and the list goes on, no one's cared about AA on the issues that count, all this rule bending and media heavy thumbing, for what.  I can see now that the fix is in, but why?

You make me hang my head in sorrow that you put a D nex to your name. . For shame. For shame. That women screamed some vile KKK bullshit, and you praise it. You are now a troll.

Go ahead, steal! I'll vote for McCain.

a guy who saw the polls in the lead-up to the MI primaries, knew he was going to get his ass handed to him, and took his name off the ballot in order to kiss up to the voters in IA.  

And his little stunt worked.

I'm guessing you'd have preferred victory of the stunt where the candidate who runs against NO FUCKING COMPETITION somehow is declared, in the fashion of Russia or Saddam-era Iraq, that she is the unanimous victor!

Sorry your preferred stunt lost today.  But when two stunts face off, that's what happens.

I was in the room when she was escorted out. Mariott security acted very professionally and made a point of not touching her as they asked her to leave the room. I saw her arms. She had those bruises before they came to take her out.

Hope you like having no credibility left, you talentless (censored).