MyDD :: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE Popular Vote

It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE Popular Vote

by thebluenote, Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:32:35 PM EST

It's official, the Democratic Rules Committee compromised with awarding delegates for the votes in Florida and Michigan. The method however they chose to divide up the delegates in Michigan, and the Hillary Clinton campaign reserves the right to challenge the result with the Credentials Committee, was a compromise by the party not based on the vote, therefore awarding 4 of Hillary's delegaates to the Obama Campaign, along with him received every single uncommitted vote delegate.

The two states, Florida and Michigan, are now considered counted in the Democratic Primary, now giving Hillary Clinton an even larger lead in votes.

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* Obama 17,266,433 47.5% Clinton 17,428,986 47.9% Clinton +162,553 +0.45%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA Obama 17,600,517 47.6% Clinton 17,652,848 47.7% Clinton +52,331 +0.14%

This shows that even if you want to include an estimate from the Caucuses for Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington, Hillary still leads the popular vote.

These results are official and the popular vote lead is still prior to Puerto Rico's upcoming election, in which many more votes and delegates are awarded.

The new delegate total is 2118 with the addition of Florida and Michigan. The final contests, Puerto Rico 55, Montana 16 and South Dakota 15, will not be enough to give the delegate amount needed for either candidate, so it still remains for the Automatic Delegates to endorse the candidate best to win with core Democratic principles and the change for the much needed change our country needs and deserves.

The large vote lead, the latest results, with the overwhelming support in the polls showing Hillary is the stronger candidate, paints the full argument for the Automatic Delegates to support Hillary as the Democratic nominee and therefore the Democrats opportunity to take back the White House in November.

Pennsylvania Avenue make way for a Democrat in 2009!

[*UPDATE*] Forgot to post the link for Real Clear's vote tracking

Tags: hillary, Hillary Clinton, Obama, election 2008, democratic, primary president (all tags)

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It's Official, Hillary Is Winning (1.40 / 5)

The next 4 years will be good years under President Hillary.

by thebluenote on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:33:37 PM EST

Sane posters know the drill (2.00 / 4)

WALK OUT

don't feed the flames

Peace.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:44:58 PM EST
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Re: Sane posters know the drill (none / 0)

Thanks for reminding me. You saved me from myself on this one.

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:17:44 PM EST
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Cacus vote > primary vote (none / 0)

1 caucus vote represents more Democratic Voters than 1 primary vote.

In order to compare them correctly and add them correctly, you need to multiply the caucus vote by the caucus to primary voter ratio.

You can't just add caucus votes to primary votes and get a valid result that does not disenfranchise caucus states.

by rickNTX on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:28:52 PM EST
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Re: Cacus vote > primary vote (none / 0)

As Texas and Nebraska showed us, a full vote produces drastically different results than a caucus.

To try and extrapolate caucus 'votes' for general votes (in the privacy of a voting booth) leads to a flawed conclusion.

by wblynch on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:35:30 PM EST
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Re: Cacus vote &gt; primary vote (none / 0)

Then no "popular vote" can accurately be calculated, and we need to use the metric we have, which is delegates to the cvonvention.

by rickNTX on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 11:23:44 AM EST
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Link please (none / 0)

Could you give me a link to the official popular vote tally? The one the party is keeping to decide the primary with?

by libertyleft on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:34:11 PM EST

Re: Link please (2.00 / 1)

Thank you. Link added.

by thebluenote on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:37:35 PM EST
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Re: Link please (2.00 / 2)

Real Clear Politics is not official, nor is it the party. I'm looking for the numbers from the Democratic party, that count all 50 states, that they are using to determine the winner of the primary.

by libertyleft on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:43:45 PM EST
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Well I Assume You Already Know This (2.00 / 1)

But the Democratic party doesn't keep a popular vote tally. There's no such thing as an official count.

by TooFolkGR on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:02:07 PM EST
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That can't be right (2.00 / 1)

Don't be silly. If that were the case it would mean there is no official tally of the popular vote and it is a totally untrustworthy metric because each campaign could pick their own numbers! Ridiculous.

by libertyleft on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:05:09 PM EST
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But if that were true ... (none / 0)

then this diary would be a lie. And the diarist would be a (hmm, what's that word I'm looking for ...)

by edg1 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:26:28 PM EST
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Re: Link please (none / 0)

Please don't feed the flames!

We all know the arguments. There's nothing to see here!!

by TL on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:18:51 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (1.66 / 3)

It's official--you are a complete and total liar.

You are awarding 0 votes for Obama in MI.

by Brannon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:35:13 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (2.00 / 1)

he got 0 votes in MI

by nyarch on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:28:23 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

Do you have a web cam? I would have wanted to see you type this with a straight face.

From a Hillary supporter: We laughed as that became our mantra - "Barack can't win!"..... ....."he can go to hell and i'll pay for his way there."

by Cochrane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:39:28 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

It is a fact. Every ballot on which he was written in was tossed, and an uncommitted vote no matter the intention was not a vote for him. Those are the rules. My comment has nothing to do with the will of the voters, it has to do with ACTUAL votes.

by nyarch on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:58:22 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

Well you're argument that the RULES of voting should be followed is not a big one with your fellow Clinton supporters.

From a Hillary supporter: We laughed as that became our mantra - "Barack can't win!"..... ....."he can go to hell and i'll pay for his way there."

by Cochrane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:00:20 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

I do not know what you mean by that. If you have an argument to make, a link, some proof of what you are saying please post it.

by nyarch on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:02:43 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

The general assessment that the rules by the DNC to strip delegates from FL & MI are invalid because they thwart the will of the people. Quit being obtuse.

From a Hillary supporter: We laughed as that became our mantra - "Barack can't win!"..... ....."he can go to hell and i'll pay for his way there."

by Cochrane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:22:25 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

It's an intellectually dishonest point. By the RULES popular vote doesn't matter at all--only delegates do. The diarist is clearly trying to make a moral argument, or at least some pragmatic point about who has the most support.

The problem is that either point is undercut by the failure to include any Obama votes in MI.

by Brannon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:11:28 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

he had no votes in MI.

by nyarch on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 01:49:57 AM EST
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Uh.. (2.00 / 2)

They only count in the way of delegates.

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:36:04 PM EST

summing up... (2.00 / 6)

raw totals of caucuses, open primaries and closed primaries generates a sum with no meaning whatsoever with respect to popular will.

by Casuist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:36:27 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (2.00 / 7)

Do you really think that 0 people supported Obama in MI?

by Brannon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:37:27 PM EST

Insulting your intelligence is all they have left (2.00 / 1)

It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama

by Lefty Coaster on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:40:01 PM EST
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I beg to differ (2.00 / 1)

They also have petty outrage.

And no, I'm not in a mood to be forgiving about it.

Finding God in a Dog

by maxomai on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:47:12 PM EST
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Re: I beg to differ (2.00 / 1)

I know, but wife and I are rewatching all of Sex and the City before we go see the movie. Go do something you enjoy, and let them vent.

by deminva on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:56:04 PM EST
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Sex and the City (none / 0)

Ah yes.

My wife and I plan on going to the movies ourselves this weekend.

To see Iron Man.

God bless America.

Finding God in a Dog

by maxomai on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:57:46 PM EST
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Re: Sex and the City (none / 0)

We're on the fourth episode, and Samantha just said, "Honey, a hole is a hole." Is she sexist?

by deminva on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:37:02 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

Yes, because he chose to take his name off the ballot, and therefore he recieved no votes. Hence, he recieved 0 delegates.

However, Uncommitted did very well. I wish I could say I have heard of him/her though before the MI Primary.

;)

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:41:48 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

It does not matter if they supported him, not one person voted for him in MI. They COULD NOT DO IT!

by nyarch on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:29:18 PM EST
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It's Official, Hillary Isn't Winning Anything (1.66 / 3)

Another garbage diary

It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama

by Lefty Coaster on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:37:48 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (2.00 / 4)

Do you think it's fair that a caucus state gets 1 tenth the influence over your 'popular vote' metric than an equivalently sized primary state?

by Brannon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:38:18 PM EST

walk out (none / 0)

don't feed the flames.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:45:37 PM EST
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As the Beatles said, "Back in the USSR" (2.00 / 3)

Just like a Soviet-style election. It's easy to win when you don't have an opponent other than Kucinich on the ballot.

There is a reason why the popular vote is not carrying any weight with the superdelegates - it is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who has been paying attention to this process.

by ArtVanDelay1774 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:38:29 PM EST

As the Beatles said, "Back in the USSR" (none / 0)

Just like a soviet style election a group of 30 people just changed the results.

by nyarch on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:30:16 PM EST
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Re: As the Beatles said (none / 0)

If they had done nothing, then neither state would count at all. Would you prefer that?

by Brannon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:17:28 PM EST
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That only matters inside the bubble. (2.00 / 3)

The only people who think the popular vote metric matters is you Clinton supporters.

For a logical point by point explanation of why the popular vote is not a fair measure of the will of the Democratic party see http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/27/1821 30/954#readmore

We shall overcome. Yes we can.

by Sam Wise Gingy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:38:59 PM EST

Uh... (2.00 / 2)

I think you missed the train from denial to anger.

by Bee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:39:35 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

On Tuesday night Obama will pack the Xcel Center.
McWars cannot even pack a Ballroom.

More relaxing music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NDIHBqqh qY

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"

by nogo postal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:40:58 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A (2.00 / 1)

She is of course free to make this argument, however I think everyone recognizes that Obama had more than 0 supporters in Michigan. Of course, you would probably then tell me that he took his name off the ballot, at which point I would point out that if we really care about the will of the people, that is basically irrelevant.

There, I just saved three or so posts.

by rfahey22 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:41:38 PM EST

Don't count on it. (none / 0)

This same stupid line of crap is going to be repeated often in the next few weeks.

Finding God in a Dog

by maxomai on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:45:51 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (2.00 / 1)

This is sort of like the losing team deciding in the last five minutes of the Super Bowl that the deciding criterion should be net yards rather than points - and they have the ball.

If popular vote were a major criterion, then the Obama campaign would have been run very differently.

by kevinwparker on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:42:09 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (1.00 / 1)

Are you stoned or just stupid? Give it up already.

by Steve24 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:42:19 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (2.00 / 2)

BACK OFF

Let them do their thing.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:46:31 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (2.00 / 2)

Count the votes!

But not those in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, Washinton or any of Obama's Michigan supporters!! That would be undemocratic!!

democracy!

by BlueGAinDC on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:43:59 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (2.00 / 1)

BACK OFF

Let 'em grieve.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:48:29 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

Look, I'm fine leaving real Clinton supporters to grieve and offering my hand in support.

But the trolls here arn't going to change their mind. Its fun to engage them, and it really doesn't change what they do. That's their job. So mocking them is quite fun and I have no problem doing it, considering their lack of respect for Obama, his supporters, Democrats, reality, etc.

And the whole "ignore them and they'll go away" meme just ain't true.

Now, once this thing is over, and the site turns around, I will be happy to ignore them. But a lot of them are making the same arguments as Jerome and theres no reason to leave them alone.

I'll do what I want, you do what you want, and once Hillary concedes I will be more than willing to just ignore it all.

democracy!

by BlueGAinDC on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:01:13 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

there were no actual official votes there. Just a bunch of people saying who they want because the Daily Kos bullied them into it.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:01:37 PM EST
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Actually (none / 0)

If you count Michigan as giving Obama zero votes -- which is, for all sorts of reasons, an indefensible position -- then your argument holds.

But by that same token, many more people voted against Clinton (other candidates combined + uncommitted) in the Democratic primaries than for Clinton.

Which kinda means this argument isn't too effective at all.

Finding God in a Dog

by maxomai on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:44:49 PM EST

Obama supporters. (2.00 / 2)

Respectfully, I'd recommend we stay out of this diary. Just walk away. Let it go.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:44:53 PM EST

Re: Obama supporters. (none / 0)

Travis - I second that.

by Steve24 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:46:03 PM EST
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News on Michelle Obama tape? (none / 0)

Larry Johnson will have a big announcement on Monday.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/31/ breaking-news-michelles-whitey-problem/

by katmandu1 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:49:58 PM EST

Re: News on Michelle Obama tape? (none / 0)

Classy as ever. The GOP will love LJ and all who follow him.

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:31:34 PM EST
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Re: News on Michelle Obama tape? (none / 0)

Is he getting a haircut?

If that's not the big news, then Im not interested.

From a Hillary supporter: We laughed as that became our mantra - "Barack can't win!"..... ....."he can go to hell and i'll pay for his way there."

by Cochrane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:42:12 PM EST
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Re: News on Michelle Obama tape? (none / 0)

Funny. Wasn't he just telling everyone they'd have to wait until October when his ~~two~~ ~~three~~ four anonymous sources, who have word that anonymous Republicans surrounding Karl Rove who have the tape and are using it for fund-raising will release it?

Or maybe his anonymous ultra-conservative billionaire Republican managed to scoop it up for a million bucks?

Or maybe the anonymous source who heard from an anonymous yet prominent female blogger about an unknown question was asked of David Azelrod and that an unknown, but bad answer was given and maybe they found out what the question and/OR answer was?!

by phillybits on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:46:51 PM EST
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Re: News on Michelle Obama tape? (none / 0)

Is that republican, bush voting Larry Johnson, your talking about?

A vote for John McCain is a vote against Hillary Clinton

by realistdem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:19:38 PM EST
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Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (2.00 / 1)

I respect Clinton's right to make a popular vote argument, but the superdelegates are not casual observers of this primary process. They are aware that the only popular vote count she wins is the one assigning zero MI votes to Obama, and even then she only edges him by .1%.

Do you genuinely think they will accept this argument?

can't rec or rate

by quimby10 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:51:13 PM EST

It's a delegate race. Not a pop vote race. (none / 0)

At this point you should know this.

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:30:26 PM EST

Re: It's Official, Hillary Is Winning With A HUGE (none / 0)

Yes, it's HUGE!

-totals reflect a result of 350K+ to 0 in MI; totally discounts the results of caucus states.

This just in: 1. you're not fooling anyone but yourself 2. Clinton will be out of the race by Friday

by Democrat in Chicago on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:04:05 PM EST

A HUGE Popular Vote (none / 0)

I wonder how you factor in the hundreds of thousands of republican operation chaos votes.

A vote for John McCain is a vote against Hillary Clinton

by realistdem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:18:26 PM EST

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