Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop posting death threats against Obama

by Bob Johnson  (crossposted from DailyKos with Bob's permission)

NOTE: I'm crossposting Bob's diary because, as a Clinton supporter, I believe the hateful environment fostered at sites like NoQuarter has harmed Hillary's campaign. It certainly hasn't helped. This sort of racist, divisive, and sometimes violent rhetoric is appalling, not only because it's shocking and disturbing in and of itself, but because it also reflects poorly on a woman I respect and admire. I firmly believe that Hillary would frown upon this kind of behavior - this is not the way she wants to be represented. Bob's diary is below the fold.

- sricki

Bob Johnson's diary :: ::

Good ol' Larry Johnson and his co-blogger at NoQuarter have spent the primary season spewing the most vile, racist, lying, thuggish assaults on Barack Obama that can be found online -- worse than even the most vile posts at freaky rightwing sites like littlegreenfootballs.

The irony is, of course, that Larry and his co-blogger claim to be Democrats.

Johnson's racist rantings and his co-blogger's vitriolic, lie-filled hate pieces have spawned a dedicated following of bigots and lunatics at NoQuarter.

No surprise, then, that Johnson was forced to post the following notice at NoQuarter yesterday:

WARNING

By Larry Johnson on May 30, 2008 at 2:45 PM in Current Affairs

This does NOT apply to 99% of you, however, a couple of lost souls have posted threats against Barack Obama on this blog. Be forewarned, I will turn all threats over to the Secret Service (they are investigating two at this moment). While I don't believe Barack is qualified to be President, nothing justifies or warrants a death threat. Please play nice.

Well, gee, Larry, thanks for laying down the law! Nevermind that you, your co-blogger, and the denizens of your cesspool of hate have promoted and stoked every fringe-lunatic, rightwing smear of Obama, including racist attacks and truly delusional claims that Obama is a front candidate for nefarious black nationalist and radical-communist interests.

Is it a surprise to you, then, that among your small, but devoted, group of paranoid and racist followers, some have felt comfortable enough on your blog to post death threats against Obama?

Now, reading the comments that followed Larry's sad, but obviously required, warning, one would think the asylum inmates would tone down their vitriolic rhetoric.

True, Larry seems to have achieved his goal -- not a single poster in the thread threatens Obama's life! Hurrah! -- but the despicable commentary persists, unabated.

In fact, most of the loyal lunatics attribute the death threats to... wait for it... undercover Obama backers trying to make NoQuarter look bad.

As if Larry and his co-blogger needed any help making NoQuarter "home, sweet home" for the delusional and unhinged.

The fact that other prominent, left-leaning bloggers including Taylor Marsh and Jeralyn Merrit at TalkLeft continue to cite Larry Johnson, his co-blogger, and NoQuarter as source material for front-page posts tells you all you need to know about how far some (formerly) respected voices in the progressive blogosphere have fallen this primary season.

How incredibly embarrassing and sad that anyone on the left would cite the lunatic rantings emanating from NoQuarter in their own posts, especially those who may be considered "prominent bloggers."

But let's give Larry Johnson a round of applause for finally putting his foot down and saying, "No more death threats," and "Play nice."

And, no, it's not like getting a visit or a phone call from the Secret Service had anything to do with it!



Display:


lol at Flowbee (2.00 / 7)

(Yes I am revealing that I visit Hillayis44.blogspot.com when I call him that).  But I am giving you a rec in honor of Bob Johnson (I wonder if there will be flames) and because I can, McCain opposes Roe V Wade.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:16:16 PM EST

Thanks. (2.00 / 1)

What is Flowbee?


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:17:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It is a nickname for (2.00 / 2)

Larry Johnson.

Check out my link down stream and you'll see why.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:23:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You guys are going berserk (2.00 / 3)

You should make sure to check in with the posters that the Secret Service is investigating. I'm sure they'll be thrilled to hear that its the REST of the world that's gone crazy, not them.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:57:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What a twisted comment. (2.00 / 8)


by notme54 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:24:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My guess is Obama Trolls (2.00 / 2)

Please take off your partisan hat for a moment.

The large majority of Hillary supporters are good people - just like the large majority of Obama supporters.  But a small number of people on the fringes of every political campaign go off the deep end, and the rhetoric on some of the pro-Hillary sites has been off the charts.  I've stopped visiting Talkleft because it's become mostly people building each other's hatred to a fever pitch.

There have to be limits, even on the intertubes.


by TL on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:47:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks. (2.00 / 7)

It's a reference to his bowlcut.

I image searched "flowbee" and found this:


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:04:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL! (2.00 / 4)

I've not seen/heard that. It's a good one.

I've been calling them the racist version of the 'Three Stooges'. Larry is Moe, fer sure.


by DaveDial on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:13:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It does a lot of good to see Clinton supporters (2.00 / 4)

It does a lot of good to see Clinton supporters call out Larry and those at NQ. (I've had some good experieces with Clinton supporters even at NQ)

It makes me think that I am right to support whomever gets the Democratic nomination.

Unlike a lot of Obama supporters, Obama-Clinton, Clinton-Obama, I don't care. Whoever pulls it off. I'm voting for the Demcoratic nominee.


by DaveDial on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:10:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

There are good Clinton supporters (2.00 / 2)

at NQ. I don't believe that any of the people who regularly post here are the ones making death threats. Still, it's disturbing that NQ has become toxic enough for people to think they can say things like that.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:12:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There are good Clinton supporters (2.00 / 4)

What do the good Clinton supporters there talk about?  Because I have yet to see a diary there that wasn't either about race, or didn't immediately veer off in that direction.  

They can't stop.  It's black black black Africa black black all day long.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:14:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There are good Clinton supporters (none / 0)

Sricki, come back.  It's not a rhetorical question.  I'm curious.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:29:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I usually avoid NoQuarter, (2.00 / 1)

so I'm not sure what all they talk about. But someone downthread said alegre and several other people post there (which I was not aware of). I know most Obama supporters dislike alegre, but I don't think she's a racist. I wish she wouldn't post there, but she is not a bad person for doing so. I know she'd never make a death threat or intentionally make a racist remark.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:41:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I usually avoid NoQuarter, (2.00 / 1)

Okay - I feel the same way but with a slight shift in emphasis.  I'd reverse the clauses around the 'but's.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:58:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I usually avoid NoQuarter, (none / 0)

As an Obama supporter I can tell you that I certainly do not think she is a racist...

But no, I do not like her...and even if she spends now until November doing the same style of posts in support of Obama I will not like her.


Oh Mammy Dear, we're all mad over here livin' in America
by JDF on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:11:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There are good Clinton supporters (none / 0)

Because I have yet to see a diary there that wasn't either about race, or didn't immediately veer off in that direction.

Susan has posted three or four of my diaries from MyDD and the big orange blog whose name we dare not speak.  I have ONLY written about issues and polling data.  I actually took some heat from NQ readers about saying I would vote for Obama.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:28:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think it was... (none / 0)

...originally a device for cutting your hair with a vaccum cleaner.

there's probably a story surrounding the name that we aren't privy to.


by DawnG on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:17:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh, good to know. n/t (none / 0)


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:18:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lol at Flowbee (2.00 / 3)

Just make sure that that garbage doesn't contaminate you.  I hope you have a HazMat suit on when you go there!


by rfahey22 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:19:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

nah I go to a site (2.00 / 3)

no where I go isn't the original, but it is:

http://www.hillaryis44.blogspot.com

The author slams the tinfoils crowd really hard.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:23:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: nah I go to a site (2.00 / 2)

I've asked her ('her' being Wonk) a couple of times to change the site's name to something other than 'meet the hill hags' but to no avail.

And yeah, I go there too.  It's a great way to find out what's going on at "big pink" and "flowbee's house o' crazy" without actually going there.

Because personally, I don't think I could handle seeing this:

....without someone to nudge me and cue me to laugh and not weep.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:10:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: nah I go to a site (2.00 / 1)

This:


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:11:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: nah I go to a site (2.00 / 1)

Huh.  Well the image tag is acting funny.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:12:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: lol at Flowbee (none / 0)

Larry Johnson, a shadowy ex-CIA spook who was involved in disinformation and who knows what other illegal activities in Central America.  I strongly suspect there is a great deal of blood on his hands.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:18:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 5)

thanks, sricki.

Well done


by wrb on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:17:29 PM EST

This shit's gotta stop - on both sides (2.00 / 8)

We're all beginning to sound like Michele Malkin - cue loony toons music.  I hope they find those assholes and put 'em in jail - same with those issuing death threats against Clinton or McCain (Limbaugh, for instance?).


by The Fat Lady Sings on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:18:48 PM EST

Very glad to hear you say that. (2.00 / 2)

I agree wholeheartedly. And you're a Clinton supporter, aren't you?


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:20:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why should that matter? (2.00 / 3)

Do you really think all Clinton supporters are racists who want Obama dead?  That's as asinine as people who think all Obama supporters want Clinton dead.  Come on!  I haven't lost my sense of right and wrong.


by The Fat Lady Sings on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:23:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No, no, I didn't mean that as an insult. (2.00 / 8)

I was just curious. It seems like some Clinton supporters are willing to stay quiet when their associates say inappropriate things. I'm a Clinton supporter, too, and I'm especially grateful to every Hillary backer who stands up beside me and denounces divisive behavior.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:27:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree (2.00 / 5)

This whole thing is nuts!  Those posters calling for Obama's death belong in prison - right next to the YouTube guy who asked people to go out and assassinate Clinton.  Who are these people?  Where did they grow up?  Are they all sociopaths?  


by The Fat Lady Sings on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:36:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't know, but (2.00 / 5)

I think it's pretty awesome that they're being investigated by the Secret Service. ;)


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:38:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have seen Obama supporters (1.50 / 2)

Do the same thing. It has gone both ways, and all should be investigated.

No one should fear for their lives when they run for  office. That just weeds out the ones that are honest decent people, leaving the thugs and criminals to run.


by splashy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:29:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Some Obama supporters have said (2.00 / 2)

terrible things. I've never seen one of them make a death threat, though.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:30:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Some Obama supporters have said (none / 0)

Agreed. Let's not assign equivalence where there is none, here.


by authority song on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:44:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have seen Obama supporters (none / 0)

Where have you seen this?


by interestedbystander on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:45:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have seen Obama supporters (none / 0)

citation, please. i haven't heard of any obama supporters calling for clinton's death. well, maybe her political death, but they're just being stupid and it's not the same thing.


by skaiserbrown on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:30:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have seen Obama supporters (none / 0)

This minimizing threats to Senator Clinton is inappropriate. She has secret service protection for a reason, as does Senator Obama.


by souvarine on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:36:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have seen Obama supporters (none / 0)

I'm giving you a B- in sophistry.

Senator Clinton gained secret service protection when her husband was running for the presidency in either 1991 or 1992. She's had it ever since. It is not the same situation as Senator Obama, who Senator Durbin requested secret service protection for at the earliest point in any campaign for any non-incumbent candidate ever. Nor is the size of the secret service detachment the same, Senator Obama has the largest ever for any non-sitting president.

While there have likely been people who have made death threats against Senator Clinton both before and during her campaign for the nomination, they have not been nearly as numerous nor outspoken as similar death threats against Senator Obama. Likewise, while Obama supporters and members of the media have spoken ill of Senator Clinton using sexist and derogatory language, there has yet to be any citation of death threats towards her. In the mean time, a Fox News Contributor said that she'd like to see Obama dead live on air, and NQ has been forced to warn its commentariat to not call for Obama's death.

You are comparing two separate things and drawning an incredibly erroneous conclusion in support of your favored candidate. Knock it off.


by skaiserbrown on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:51:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have seen Obama supporters (none / 0)

Why on earth would you claim that death threats against Clinton "have not been nearly as numerous nor outspoken as similar death threats against Senator Obama?" Is there some kind of contest over who gets the most death threats? One death threat against a candidate is too many, and they should all be treated seriously.

I really wonder what is wrong with some people, the  attitude you show here is wrong.


by souvarine on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:04:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have seen Obama supporters (none / 0)

I'm going to have to drop you down to a C+ now.

I originally asked for a citation to the orange satan where an Obama supporter publically threatened the life of Senator Clinton. You then claimed that my comments were wrong, and that Clinton too had secret service protection, implying that she too had been given it due to death threats. When I refuted that argument, and pointed out that we had verifiable situations where news media and Clinton supporters threatened Mr. Obama's life, you now claiming that I am minimizing whatever threats Senator Clinton has received.

The entire point of my original post was to ask for a citation to an Obama supporter threatening Mrs. Clinton death with. You have used this fairly innocuous request to charge me with believing that it's OK for people to threaten Mrs. Clinton's life. It simply does not follow, and is a deeply flawed position.

I suggest you look up your local university and enroll in a basic logic course.


by skaiserbrown on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:17:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here you go: (none / 0)

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp ?stid=3&aid=69422

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/yea rs/2007/0504071hillary1.html

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/25 bill-oreillycom-threatens-hillary-clint ons-life

There was also a YouTube video (that has since been taken down) by a man claming to be an Obama campaign worker asking people to go out and assassinate Hillary.

Now can we stop this gotcha "My death threats are better than your death threats" and condemn them across the board?


by The Fat Lady Sings on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:48:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You didn't read the question (none / 0)

You provide no evidence that the LSU student referred to by your links is an Obama supporter; he's almost certainly a right-wing fanatic who hates both Clinton and Obama.

Your claim that there is a taken-down YouTube video from someone claiming to be an Obama supporter calling for Hillary's death can't be verified, of course.  But at this point, Obama supporters have far less reason to hate, because Obama's about to win.  The angry side is always the side that's about to lose, and some people get carried away.


by Joe Buck on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:50:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here you go: (none / 0)

Um...
The first two links site the same incident, neither mention the students political affiliation, and the third... Bill O', an Obama supporter?

I would think it fortunate for Senator Clinton that that's the best you can do.


* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *
by Maori on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:00:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You see? (none / 0)

All it's about is hate.  I post a comment decrying the assholes making death threats against Senator Obama - and out crawl the gotcha boys.  Show us!  No one hates Hillary! (snark, snark, snark).    

So I point to a couple of examples and ask if we can now stop playing who's had the more death threats - and off we go to the races.    

You are wrong, srici.  Far too many Obama supporters look at this election through hate filled eyes.  You can denounce divisive behavior till the cows come home - you're nothing but a drop of water in the middle of a drought.

I'll leave you to it.


by The Fat Lady Sings on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:08:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have seen Obama supporters (none / 0)

Pretty serious accusation.
Have anything to back it up?

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:42:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No, no, I didn't mean that as an insult. (none / 0)

I was just curious. It seems like some Clinton supporters are willing to stay quiet when their associates say inappropriate things.

I don't know if that's really true.  The loonies out there who do crap like this are clearly disturbed.  Many of us have been pointing out bad behavior for quite some time. Remember how much time we spent trying to corral Holden Caulfield and some of the others last year?  Holden was no nutjob like these people, but he was still unpleasant and over the top quite often.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:53:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't know, though, (2.00 / 1)

Denny. We've got people downthread defending NQ. That makes me feel rather sad.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:57:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No way Larry! (2.00 / 1)

Lock it up dude. Shut up and be a democrat, if you are one.



McCain
by Black Anus on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:18:53 PM EST

Thanks for crossposting this (2.00 / 7)

No comment from Alex Rodriguez, "Admin" on Hillaryis44 yet. I have little doubt he's been contacted as well - the Secret Service are looking into posts made there.

Anti-Clinton bloggers undercover to make No Quarter look bad? I think they're doing an excellent job of that all on their own, judging from the comments in that thread. Paranoia is an ugly thing, but thematically it fits that site like a glove.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:18:55 PM EST

Re: Thanks for crossposting this (1.60 / 5)

That's why pimping your diary at Hillaryis44 is so disgusting.

Larry Johnson is a piece of shit. Plain and simple.

I hope people get the message.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:25:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm hoping they are looking into (2.00 / 2)

ALL blogs on this. I saw some pretty bad things on the orange place, and others, before I left. That was one reason I left.

We need to protect candidates, ALL of them, or we will just end up with thugs and criminals running for office. The decent, honest people will be too afraid to run. It's bad enough that everything in their past, no matter how silly, is dug up.


by splashy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:31:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm hoping they are looking into (none / 0)

More false equivalence. I defy you to show me a death threat posted on Kos. To even make the comparison is ludicrous.


by authority song on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:53:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm hoping they are looking into (none / 0)

clearly they're the same because the orange satan once said he didn't feel bad about some security contractors being killed in fallujah. this is, btw, Obama's personal fault.


by skaiserbrown on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:34:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He did! (2.00 / 1)

I saw his post last night condemning the threats.


by badu on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:21:12 PM EST

a serious question (2.00 / 1)

by posting this comment by BJ, you are siting one of the most vile, hateful, and anti clinton posters imaginable.  Have you looked at his history?

Now his description of NO Quarter is completely one-sided, and failed to mention that it may in fact be purposeful posts by obama supporters, threatening with sickening comments, to cast a bad light on this site.

And who is BJ posting as on No Quarter?  Certainly not BJ.  You've got to understand who this guy is and the mischief he likes to cause.

Because you sited this diarist, I don't believe it one bit.  And siting from dkos, where vile comments, threats to HRC and supporters, and hate are routinely encouraged, is a doubly-whammy against this argument.

There have been death threats on this site too.  I've reported at least two of them. Against HRC and HRC supporters.  No one should tolerate this at all, and as soon as it occurs we all have a responsibility to report it and stop it.  

And I wouldn't call into question Larry Johnson's ability to call the FBI in on anyone who does any threat, so wouldn't even try it in jest.  Note how BJ dismisses this, jeers at it, looks down on it.  

BJ has hate for LJ an SH.  I object to peddling that stuff here under the guise of a serious problem with NQ.  Not recommended.


by 4justice on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:25:04 PM EST

Re: a serious question (1.75 / 8)

You rec'd a diary earlier from somebody who called a fellow Democrat a cultist and fascist. You have a "slightly" biased mindset.

The fact that you defend this douche says wonders about you.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:28:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a serious question (2.00 / 5)

Your accusations are beneath you.  Bob is a bold arsehole. I don't believe for a nanosecond that he would bother posting as anyone but himself.  Did he come over here and pretend to be something he is not?  Did he lie to you?

Just because he keeps a pulse on the hate sites doesn't make him a troll.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:29:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a serious question (2.00 / 6)

Now his description of NO Quarter is completely one-sided, and failed to mention that it may in fact be purposeful posts by obama supporters, threatening with sickening comments, to cast a bad light on this site.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Paranoia is an ugly thing and it fits that site like a glove.

Suuuuuure, its Obama supporters trying to make No Quarter look bad! Gotcha, that makes sense, because all the responses to Flowbee's post were so rational and absolutely not filled with the kind of irrational hate that spawns those kind of threats in the first place. Mmm-hmmm.

You have zero credibility to be judging any other poster's perspective, considering the nature of your own.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:30:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I have not really posted this diary (2.00 / 3)

for Bob's sake. I posted it for the reasons I cited at the top of the diary. I frequently disagree with Bob. If he writes an anti-Hillary piece, rest assured I won't be posting it. But this diary doesn't attack Hillary, and I agree with the general sentiment behind it.

I have also not forgotten the time I saw Bob say that Hillary would make a better president than Bill. I don't believe he truly hates her. If he does, well... again, it's not relevant to this post.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:31:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I have not really posted this diary (none / 0)

I'm no fan of Bob's either, and in actuality, I would have preferred it if you had written your own piece about this, rather than promoting one of Bob's.  I do believe he hates the Clintons - he's written so many anti-Clinton (not pro-Obama) pieces it's hard to come away with any other conclusion. That said, the issue is the issue, and it's absolutely right to condemn this behavior.


"It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety". Salvor Hardin
by Denny Crane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:58:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, perhaps I should have (none / 0)

written my own, though I doubt it would have been received much better. Unfortunately, I've felt inordinately tired this week and don't know whether I could have put together a thorough or original diary. But this issue needed to be discussed here on MyDD. Posting it on dKos is really just preaching to the choir.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:03:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hate that flows from different wells (none / 0)

Just to get this out up front, I do not hate the Clintons.  I've posted this before.  I want Obama to win much more than I want Clinton to lose, if that makes sense.

Although hatred is always ugly, it is important to make a distinction on what kind of hatred it is.  I have seen two types of hatred on display during this campaign.

1.  Hatred of an individual (Obama or Clinton)
2.  Hatred of classes of people (African-Americans or women)

Some people hate the Clintons because of some perceived disagreement about policy, personality, morals or ethics.  Maybe the hatred is not warranted, but it doesn't necessarily have to do with their racial or gender identities.  It is hatred of an individual, not an entire class of people.

Bob Johnson might hate the Clintons.  I really don't know, but I find it somewhat immaterial.  From what I've read, I don't believe he is a sexist or a misogynist.

Much of the hatred cooked up at No Quarter comes from deep-seated racism and xenophobia.  I think the Obama campaign has provided people who have a propensity for those social diseases the opportunity to display these character flaws under the guise of political criticism.

Has Hillary Clinton experienced poor treatment from misogynists and sexists?  Of course she has.  It has sometimes raised its ugly head at Daily Kos.  But The Big Orange is just that, it's big, and the uglier examples of sexism do get challenged and there is a very wide variety of diaries posted.

No Quarter plays one note over and over and sometimes the ugliness gets brought in here by people who purport to be leaders among the Clinton blogging community.

A site that bills itself as progressive deserves better.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:57:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a serious question (2.00 / 4)

Uh huh. I see you perfer dogking's diary on the rec-list to one by Sricki, one of the most consistently vocal and strong supporters of Senator Clinton found on this site.

You have no- none, nada, zilch, zero- credibility.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:32:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

fuck off (1.60 / 5)

85% of the posts on that site are racist repub garbage.

Find me a SINGLE thread without reference to black separatism and secret Marxist plans.

The craziest part is the loathing and sexism foisted on Michelle Obama.

Defending the trash that posts there is reprehensible.

It sounds like you post there for crying out loud. Do you? On the front page perhaps?


by Is This Snark on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:34:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You were right (2.00 / 4)

you are the less annoying one.  I am going to give you mojo.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:47:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sweet (1.60 / 5)

annoyed but not annoying ;)

I hope this name lasts. It is a marker for a time when this site was under the tyrannical rule of clinton cash.

But if it gets banned, let me take this opportunity to congratulate you on the efforts you have put in here trying to balance out teh crazy


by Is This Snark on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:54:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'm so curious (2.00 / 2)

about who you really are.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:57:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

you and me both (1.50 / 4)

Knowing one's self is a life long education :)


by Is This Snark on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:06:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you and me both (2.00 / 1)

You should post a photo of yourself wearing one of those Mexican wrestling masks.

;)


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:41:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you and me both (2.00 / 1)

Can you give us a tiny, tiny clue?


by interestedbystander on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:53:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: you and me both (2.00 / 1)

Please?


by interestedbystander on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:24:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

DK is not equivalent to NQ (2.00 / 6)

I really started to read Daily Kos when I was an Edwards supporter.  I had no strong feeling about Clinton or Obama.

It was clear that a lot of the anti-Clinton comments on DKos have been over the top.

However to compare the Daily Kos community to the No Quarter community is absolutely ludicrous. DK is solidly progressive and NQ is infested with xenophobic, racist reactionaries.

I would challenge you to find one Bob Johnson diary that even comes close to the level of vitriol as those penned by Larry Johnson and Susan Hu (and then dragged over here through citations from TexasDarlin and Alegre).

I think that a lot of Clinton supporters that have been reccing Alegre's diaries would be sickened by what goes on at NQ - because the vast majority of them are true progressives.

I also am quite certain that the Clinton campaign would not approve either.  I wonder if they really know who they are speaking with on those conference calls.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:38:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hahahahahaha (2.00 / 5)

Yeah, it's all a conspiracy, man.

The fact that you would even compare DKos to the cesspool that is NQ shows how delusional you are.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:42:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a serious question (2.00 / 3)

No Quarter is a hate site.
I did not need a diary from Bob Johnson (or sricki, or anyone else) to inform me of this.
Recommended for highlighting the extent to which the garbage spewing has gone on that hateful site.

FWIW:
Cite.
Citing.
Cited.


by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:44:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a serious question (2.00 / 6)

LMAO, you honestly believe there are people on there willing to risk investigation by the SS, FBI and other authorities just to make NQ look bad?

Let me guess, you also believe the recent alien sighting in Denver is just a conspiracy by the Bush administration to take attention away from Scot McClellan?


by highgrade on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:54:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a serious question (2.00 / 2)

And anyone who takes a look at your comments and ratings knows exactly what kind of "democrat" you are, don't worry about it.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:13:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a serious question (none / 0)

TOTAL LIE
I'm on DKos every day, and if you can cite ONE incident of a threat to HRC, or any of her supporters, you really need to come up with it.
* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *
by Maori on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:05:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 5)

If someone had to knock me off the Wreck list, I'm glad it was you, sricki. Kudos for your position, and for relay to us an important message.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:25:48 PM EST

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 2)

Now you're off the rec list, and dogking's back on? WTF?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:33:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 2)

Oh, you're at the TOP. Even better!


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:33:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I can't believe it got up there so fast. Wow. n/t (2.00 / 3)


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:39:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Now will everyone admit (1.88 / 9)

That NQ is worse than the great orange satan?  I mean come on, death threats?!

And as an Obama supporter, I have never once visited NQ or H44.  I would rather go play over at RedState, the hate level is a whole lot less.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:27:57 PM EST

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ i (2.00 / 1)

Both Johnsons leave something to be desired by the sound of it. Perhaps they were separated at birth? I've never visited LJ's site which sounds very whacky indeed but have had the pleasure of reading a few of BJ's thoughts about Clinton which weren't exactly models of objectivity either. That's the problem with extremists of all types, they all sound alike


by ottovbvs on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:35:33 PM EST

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ i (2.00 / 2)

Except one isn't being investigated by the Secret Service for death threats, and the other is running a site that's turned into a crucible for them. Sure, no difference at all.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:36:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Keep in mind at least a few MyDD posters (2.00 / 5)

are regulars at No Quarter.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:35:47 PM EST

That's why I mentioned no names. (2.00 / 2)

Bob actually mentioned another, which I omitted.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:37:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

yuck (2.00 / 2)

Yeah.

You're to nice.

Bob's original diary names Susanhu (SusanUnPC) as Larry's co-pilot on the No Quarter Craptacular Express.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:40:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nah, not too nice. (2.00 / 2)

Just practical. The diary probably would have been deleted if I'd called out another MyDD user. I'd like to avoid being banned, if at all possible.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:41:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Nah, not too nice. (1.60 / 5)

It is practical. Nice work sricki.

From Bob Johnson's diary

Good ol' Larry Johnson and his pal and fellow NoQuarter blogger, susanhu (SusanUnPC at NoQuarter), have spent the primary season spewing the most vile, racist, lying, thuggish assaults on Barack Obama that can be found online -- worse than even the most vile posts at freaky rightwing sites like littlegreenfootballs.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:48:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He just told me (2.00 / 2)

to replace the name with "co-blogger", which works well enough.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:52:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Keep in mind at least a few MyDD posters (1.66 / 6)

4justice upthread for example.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:39:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Keep in mind at least a few MyDD posters (2.00 / 5)

Ah, that explains why he's parroting the "Its Obama supporters fault!" talking point from the comments on NQ about Flowbee's little warning. That makes sense.

Pretty sad, 4justice. Can't even face facts like an adult, have to blame someone else.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:41:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 1)

"inmates?"

Are you out of your mind? You are no different from the stereo typical wing nuts that we all dislike.


by 1986dude on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:41:59 PM EST

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 7)

Nice strawman. Can't address the fact that the Secret Service is cracking down on death threats made on No Quarter?

Here's a hint - the people that make those kind of threats? They become inmates.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:43:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 3)

Or, in the case of No Quarter, more often than not....inmates of an asylum.
Whole bunch o'loonies over there.
Whole bunch.
by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:48:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 5)

I don't get this diary.

The title demands that Larry Johnson do something he has already done.

There are some people who have standing to make the point that hateful rhetoric can empower nutjobs.  Bob Johnson is not that person.

No one from Daily Kos, the website that accused Hillary Clinton in a front-page post of darkening Barack Obama's picture, is in a position to accuse any other website of being over the top.

Here is my position:  No Quarter is way over the top.  Its attacks on Obama are often offensive and do not serve Hillary Clinton's interests.  And I have no idea what Larry Johnson considers himself, but I do not consider him a Democrat.

And Bob Johnson needs to shut the fuck up.  He is the last person who should be scoring points about people using hateful rhetoric.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:49:03 PM EST

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 4)

It's rather disturbing that a site frequently cited as a reference by bloggers here has to paste an official warning to reduce the number of death threats posted against a presidential nominee.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:51:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 3)

Yes, it is extremely disturbing!

Let me ask this factual question.  Does Larry Johnson ACTUALLY claim to be a Democrat?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:15:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 3)

Who the diary's coming from in this case doesn't make it any less true. And again - Bob isn't the one running a site that encourages and fosters the kind of trash that the Secret Service is currently investigating.

You can not like Bob Johnson or Daily Kos all you want. But there's no legitimate comparison between NQ and those two. None.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:52:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 2)

You agree with his position, but he needs to shut the fuck up?


by rfahey22 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:52:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 4)

None of the No Quarter overlap here can possibly handle facing the facts head on - they have to try and find some moral high ground, however low it may actually be. In this case, its "slam the messenger" - for when there is no real defense!


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:54:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 4)

I think Geraldine Ferraro has some legitimate points.  For that matter, I think Reverend Wright has some very legitimate points!  But I can still want them both to shut up.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:08:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (none / 0)

Well, I'm sure Bob would appreciate being elevated to their level of effect on the campaign.  Isn't there a difference between reporting what others are saying and actually making news oneself?


by rfahey22 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:29:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (none / 0)

I read the "has to tell" in the title as descriptive rather than imperative. I suppose "had to tell" would have been more obvious. But then we get into those present vs past tense representations of the written word debates that made intro to legal writing such a pain in the ass for literature majors.


by Mobar on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:00:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

"Let's not nitpick over verb tense." (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:06:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I prefer to debate the meaning of "is" (none / 0)

I'll go to my grave thinking that ol Bill made a valid point.


by Mobar on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:42:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (none / 0)

I suppose you are right about the title.  That makes more sense to me.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:13:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

face darkening and racism (2.00 / 2)

The whole face-darkening episode was a prime example of "silly-season" stupidity that regrettably sometimes happens in the middle of a heated campaign.

The vile xenophobia, ethnocentrism, and racism so often on display at No Quarter runs much deeper and is not the product of a political campaign.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:06:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: face darkening and racism (2.00 / 1)

I do not think accusing Hillary Clinton of racism is one of those things that just kinda happens when people get a little overenthused.

I have seen lots of silly seasons on the Internet.  I know how things get.  I cannot remember another election which featured accusations as preposterous and vile as claiming that Hillary Clinton is running a racist campaign.

I am not trying to excuse No Quarter, no way, no how.  My point is simply that when you cross the line, you lose the standing to argue that someone else is even further over the line.  DK is hateful to the point where if some crazy DK reader took a shot at Hillary, I would not absolve the diarists at that site from responsibility.  And that's a pretty amazing thing to say about a site that I used to read every day.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:13:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You are excusing No Quarter (2.00 / 2)

Whether that is your intent or not.   To respond to a post about that vile place with "But what about Kos/Bob Johnson?", which really has no direct relevance to whether No Quarter is a cesspool, and to suggest that No Quarter's critics lack moral authority, is to defend No Quarter.


by JJE on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:39:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You are excusing No Quarter (2.00 / 1)

I think I was very clear in my comment how I feel about Larry Johnson.

I can make that point and simultaneously make a point about Bob Johnson.  This is the Internet, I can multitask.

Let's put it this way.  The argument is far more persuasive coming from sricki than from Bob Johnson.  When one of the worst Hillary-haters starts making a point about Obama-hatred, even if the point is perfectly valid, there's always going to be a part of you that just rolls its eyes.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:58:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

well said! (none / 0)


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:03:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You miss the point (none / 0)

When a critic of Larry Johnson writes something critical of him, and your response is to trash the critic, you are defending Larry Johnson.  If you want to write a diary about how awful Bob Johnson is, you should do it, rather than shouting "unclean hands" when Bob slams Larry.


by JJE on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:13:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i totally agree with you.... (2.00 / 1)

and its rare that i disagree sricki.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:21:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I know a lot of people won't (2.00 / 4)

approve of my decision to crosspost this diary. But I think Clinton supporters should issue a strong, vocal condemnation of the hate which has come to characterize NoQuarter. Not everyone who posts there is hateful, but the environment is toxic and disturbing.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:25:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

fair enough... (2.00 / 1)

and i think you are right in your sentiments about hateful rhetoric.  but there are two problems first is the source....  and second is that (while not helpful) this call for reason is largely unchecked on the other side...  my 2 cents.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:30:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Actually, I've seen several "stop bashing (2.00 / 1)

Hillary" diaries on the rec list at dKos over the last two or three weeks. They weren't always well-received, but it's a start. I was very pleased to see them.

Also, there's a lot of hateful rhetoric on this site that I don't normally freak out about. I just roll my eyes, sometimes give a scathing response, and go on my way. It's the death threats -- that's what got me. I've never seen an Obama supporter on dKos do that. Although I DID hear about some teenager saying something about how "Hillary better be on the lookout for sniper fire when she comes through [whatever city the kid lived in]." The Secret Service checked into that guy (thankfully).


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:35:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Actually, I've seen several "stop bashing (2.00 / 1)

There's always been a special set of rules for the Clintons.  That comment you just cited is barely different from a statement Jesse Helms got away with saying about President Clinton, when they both were in office!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:39:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

dont misunderstand.... (2.00 / 1)

i absolutely CONDEMN any type of violent threats on ANYONE.  what i am stating is that it would appear that hateful rhetoric is more than one-sided (in fact, i would argue its more one-sided the other way) but while this certainly is not a contest its not as if the diarist you posted from is one to base your diary on.

if you had written this on your own - being as you have been a voice of reason - i would have heartily recommended.  but as steve says above, the dkos community jumped the shark a LONG time ago.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:40:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It's okay. (none / 0)

I understand that entirely and didn't expect most Clinton supporters to rec it. I knew posting Bob's work would turn a lot of people off, but... ah well. ;)


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:44:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: fair enough... (none / 0)

Well, I think sricki comes from a good place on this.  My issue is with Bob Johnson.

Even if no one ever lifts a finger to condemn hatred against Hillary (which is usually how it goes) there is still a degree of Obama-hatred that is way past anything that can be condoned.

So I agree with the sentiment, even if I disagree with Bob Johnson's attempt to score points by it.  There's a degree of guilt by association here where it's not just the nutty commentors who are bad, it's not just Larry Johnson who is bad, but it's everyone who cites Larry Johnson, everyone who links to other bloggers at his site, and so forth...


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:38:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This Clintonista approves. (2.00 / 2)

Good diary.  You were right to re-post this.  

The comments there get absolutely out of control.  I've been bothered by the obsession with Rezko and Rev. Wright and the looney drug dealer who says Obama is really gay.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:40:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you, Drew. (2.00 / 1)

You've always been one of the most excellent, fair Clinton supporters on this site, so I'm very glad to have your approval. I just don't think Hillary would want racist, violent remarks to be said in her name. She deserves better representation.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:47:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (1.50 / 2)

I believe you're confusing two of the meanings of the word "has".

The diarist surely intended it to be understood by this definition:

to experience, undergo, or endure, as joy or pain: Have a good time. He had a heart attack last year.

rather than what you mistakenly took it to mean:

to cause to, as by command or invitation: Have him come here at five.

I think the main point is that an admin of a blog that is so often cited here felt compelled to issue such a warning, not that the admin of the blog in question must do something he already clearly has done.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:48:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 1)

Interesting troll rate there, tarheel.  I'll remember not to help clarify points next time I see you on a blog.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:13:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (none / 0)

I'm from Daily Kos, and I'm in the position to make any accusation I see fit.
I'm Black, and the stuff I've seen over at NQ has made me really re-think some of my opinions of America.
You can defend them all you want, but I won't be shamed into excusing them to cater to your apparent righteous indignation.
* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *
by Maori on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:13:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Play nice? That's it? Wow. (2.00 / 2)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:54:58 PM EST

ok (1.75 / 8)

New Hampster
TexasDarlin
4Justice
anna shane
linfar
susanhu
and
Alegre

ALL post on the front page and most comment in the cesspool regularly.

This diary is a call out. It is none of your biz where these people post or what they say.

And it is certainly none of you biz if the owner of this site needs these people to recommend diaries to maintain a Clinton presence on this site.

I mean Hu's fault is it that there are only a very few decent clinton supporters left online?

Hu's fault is it that most followers of politics online are highly informed and voting Obama?

This diary should be deleted.


by Is This Snark on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:05:05 PM EST

I've included no one's name. n/t (2.00 / 2)


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:07:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And I thought you were an Obama supporter? n/t (2.00 / 1)


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:08:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And I thought you were an Obama supporter? n/t (2.00 / 2)

I think that might have been reverse psychology or snark.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:14:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And I thought you were an Obama supporter? n/t (2.00 / 1)

That's the most subtle snark I've ever seen.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:16:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And I thought you were an Obama supporter? n/t (2.00 / 2)

I mean Hu's fault is it that there are only a very few decent clinton supporters left online?

Hu's fault is it that most followers of politics online are highly informed and voting Obama?

Not so subtle really...just the right amount.
Snarkalicious.
;)


by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:17:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If it's snark, (2.00 / 1)

it may be the trickiest snark I've ever seen...


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:18:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If it's snark, (2.00 / 1)

It's subtle, not tricky.  You're WRONG.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:29:54 PM EST
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Hu are you? (2.00 / 1)

I had to read it twice.

I believe it's snark.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:04:24 PM EST
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Re: ok (2.00 / 2)

Is This Snark, is this snark?


by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:12:40 PM EST
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Re: ok (1.00 / 2)

Awsome snark.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:17:32 PM EST
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Stop it (2.00 / 1)

You're killing me!!

LOL


by notme54 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:22:22 PM EST
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In the spirit of a rap song (2.00 / 4)

I will say that:

This is not a snarky comment,
Its the snarkiest.

Whoever you were before the 'snark' purge you deserve a million mojos.  If I knew who you were I'd go back and mojo every single comment you made.

And I completely agree with your call out.  The filth-mongers over at NQ should stop and if this puts some trepidation in their step then go for it.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:24:06 PM EST
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Good for Larry for drawing that line (2.00 / 2)

that it is not acceptable. Would like to have seen the same from kos but have not.


by catfish2 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:22:10 PM EST

Re: Good for Larry for drawing that line (2.00 / 1)

Malarky.
Someone who issued a death threat on DailyKos would be banned with a quickness...not told to "play nice".
by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:38:25 PM EST
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Probably were banned quietly (2.00 / 2)

and quickly.

It's nice to see Larry Johnson make a public statement that the behavior is not acceptable.


by catfish2 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:04:01 PM EST
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Bullshit (1.00 / 2)

Go find my a SINGLE comment on KOS that is even remotely threatening.

Crazy Larry and his passengers on the bullet train to crazy land have a one way ticket.

That you can't point to a similarly vile site for Obama supporters and instead try and smear the largest and most recognized progressive blog shows the emptiness of your false equivalence, and the depravity of your intellectual honesty.

Any elected officials posting at NQ?


by Is This Snark on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:33:24 PM EST
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Re: Good for Larry for drawing that line (2.00 / 1)

catfish--

Please provide an example of a death threat on DK that was not immediately hidden and its poster banned. Every comment I've seen that calls her a name is Hide Rated right away.

If you can't provide evidence, then please stop with the disgusting "moral equivalency" argument.


by JoeW on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:00:14 PM EST
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Re: Good for Larry for drawing that line (none / 0)

Go ahead, post a single death threat that was posted on Kos. We're waiting for evidence of your ridiculous, ludicrous equivalence argument.


by authority song on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:01:55 PM EST
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Re: Good for Larry for drawing that line (2.00 / 2)

Jeez....at least give him time to come up with a sockpuppet name and get one posted.
/snark ;)
by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:04:48 PM EST
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Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 2)

Careful members of the protected post there. Jereome will have to strip away all the people who recommended this diary. You can not go against the protected they are a separate class then us. Not to mention you posted a Bob Johnson diary who got banned because he said something about Hillary. Haven't you people learned those are protected members while Bob Johnson isn't. No quarter is part of the protected!


by Hillarywillwin on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:23:04 PM EST

Except that Bob wasn't banned. (none / 0)

Jerome issued a warning, which he had to accept in order to be able to post here. Bob chose not to accept it (as a matter of principle, I expect). If he wanted to come back, I believe he could.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:27:50 PM EST
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If I get banned I can come back (2.00 / 3)

as IS,THIS,SNARK so I am not worried.  

I have no fear anymore,
because reason is back for sure.  
They took some powers away,
but the truth is here to say
I feel sorry for Jerome
Who did this to his home...

Another rap song riff by K-OS


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:28:10 PM EST
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Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 3)

It should read "LARRY JOHNSON HAS WARNED SOME POSTERS" (and no one knows who they actually are-McCain Supporters, trolls, etc) about death threats.

And I suspect, no one would have known that Larry Johnson warned of this and that he reported it already to the Secret Service, IF LARRY DIDN'T ALREADY MAKE THAT STATEMENT, that Bob Johnson wants to ride on his good actions for a fake calling of him to do so.

And while you claim you don't like to be disparaging on others as a means of support, does this fit with posting Bob Johnson's diary, that calls bloggers "inmates", "racists", "hate", etc.  And if you believed that, how does that fit with him taking the lead to have read some comments, post that and report it?

This diary does not fit at all with what you claim to oppose.  

Bob Johnson used Larry's good deed to further name call, berate and accuse good Democrats who may blog on a sight that supports Hillary.  And you are pepetuating his accusations and name calling and asking something of someone who took the lead on something Bob Johnson is exploiting.
 


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:36:06 PM EST

Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 7)

Johnson's site (not sight) is a festering hole of hate, racism and, yes, threats against a presidential candidate.

If the posters there don't want to be called racist, they should knock off the Black Uprising/Africa bullshit. Look at what you're defending. There's no place for that, and the fact that Johnson lets it continue to the point that posters there feel safe in posting actual death threats is a sad statement on his position - i.e. its all fun and games until he has to put up with the Secret Service.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:40:03 PM EST
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Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 1)

Predictable Lisa.  


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:43:36 PM EST
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Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 1)

Linda.

oops.

Still predictable.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:44:02 PM EST
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Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (1.50 / 4)

Excuse me, I have to dash over to No Quarter so you hateful obama supporters can call me a racist, because, you have to resort back to name calling anyone who doesn't support Obama as a racist or hateful.  Only, I don't like the hateful, demeaning, name calling and racism the Obama camp does, which is why I couldn't possibly support him, but that does doesn't stop you all for projecting what you all are on to others.


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:47:52 PM EST
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Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 4)

Quit acting like a victim. Those posters on No Quarter type some truly vile and racist bullshit. Period. No one cares if your little feelings got hurt because people are calling it for what it is.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:49:50 PM EST
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Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 3)

Waaaaah.  Get over the fact that at some point someone who may or may not support Obama (as you so artfully point out about the Obama death threat authors) may or may not have implied or called you a racist.  You're always playing the same tired old song.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:51:53 PM EST
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Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 2)

If you don't see the problem with NQ, then the shoe fits.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:53:20 PM EST
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a message from a hateful Obama supporter (2.00 / 1)

The Clinton supporters I know personally are not racists.  My mother-in-law is one and she is certainly not a racist.

I don't think that sricki, Denny Crane, canadian gal, or most of the other Clinton supporters here are racists.

Please don't just dash off to No Quarter.  If you really don't see the problem over there, pack up your bags and move.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:12:25 PM EST
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libelous (none / 0)

yes, this was snark.


by Mobar on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:47:31 PM EST
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I frequently disagree with Bob. (2.00 / 2)

I agree with this diary, however, which is why I have crossposted only this diary, rather than his entire body of work.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:47:38 PM EST
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Re: I frequently disagree with Bob. (1.00 / 1)

and that is sad that you agree with what he said.  'nuf said there.


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:49:03 PM EST
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Re: I frequently disagree with Bob. (2.00 / 4)

Ah, Linda, supporting a site that allows death threats to be made. Aren't you a peach.


by upstate girl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:50:29 PM EST
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Re: I frequently disagree with Bob. (2.00 / 4)

It's pretty sad that you agree with NoQuarter.

Nuff said.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:50:34 PM EST
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Why is it sad (2.00 / 4)

that I disapprove of death threats?


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:51:43 PM EST
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Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 1)

NoQuarter is a racist sewer.

I have no doubt that the only reason Hillary Clinton hasn't distanced herself from it is that she doesn't want people to know about it.  The second it gets media attention, she'll throw it under the bus where it belongs.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:50:25 PM EST
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Re: Your diary name is incorrect and slanderous (2.00 / 2)

Please go back to NoQuarter and endorsing comments like:

<blockquote>It is my belief that Obama is racist and fascist and rationalizes both within his mind using socialist extremist bullshit....He is a fascist....</blockquote>

<blockquote>You complete the argument that women want to be lied to. He isn't your savior, who we wish all black men were, Mandingo, your baby's daddy had he stayed, the loyal grandson I wish I had, my husband had he not left, or the prize you can give for past guilt that shouldn't be there.</blockquote>

<blockquote>While he's eating his waffles, all the people lined up to pull his strings (the liberal elite, the Chicago operatives, the black liberationists, the Muslims like his cousin Odinga, and more) will be destroying America.</blockquote>

<blockquote>Must be lots of fun to get carved on by an Affirmative Action surgeon, drive across a bridge designed by an Affirmative Action engineer or ride in a 767 commanded by an Affirmative Action captain.

Because, remember: it's NOT whether someone knows his ass from a hole in the ground and has proved it. It's whether or not his/her Self-Esteem is maintained!

Sic transit Jefferson's meritocracy</blockquote>

<blockquote>as far as i can tell, mr obobo's law review editorship was also affirmative action - read somewhere that he graduated in the top 25% of his class. at my school, that's WAY below the level required to even get ON the law review. and his school is supposedly superior to mine (lol). </blockquote>

<blockquote>percent of the states Barack X won in the primary/caucus are Republican states and will never go Democratic, let alone a black. He has flip-flopped on every one of his positions. His "Gangsta" style caucus system is a joke with college age punks and unemployed AAs who have nothing to do except usurp the will of hardworking Americans, </blockquote>

Those are comments made just in the last couple of days.  You really want to defend this site?  I won't even go into the front page diary by Susanhu that asked everyone to pledge that they will never vote for Obama if he's the nominee.  I won't even go into how comments in that thread said it wasn't enough to not vote for Obama, you had to vote for McCain to make sure he lost the election.

Just go away.


by shalca on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:52:23 PM EST
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Clinton (2.00 / 3)

Not only does it portray Hillary not good but also her supporters as not good.  I think it is unfortunate that they tend to get labeled as a typical "Clinton" supporter when they are just the fringe.


John McCain, supports 100 year of war, but not education
by desertlover on Sat May 31, 2008 at 03:51:11 PM EST

Re: Clinton (2.00 / 5)

While I agree that those at No Quarter do not represent 'typical Clinton Supporters'....it would help if prominent Clinton supporters here treated them as 'just the fringe' as opposed to linking to and defending such a hateful site.


by Kysen on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:02:40 PM EST
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Re: Clinton (2.00 / 2)

The ones that aren't "fringe", like the person who posted this diary, would never link to that site.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:15:32 PM EST
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I think the real supporters/advisors of Obama (1.33 / 3)

definitey reflect the candidate.  As a matter of fact, Obama can't even admit mistakes and apologize for his spiritual advisor/friend/ 20 year relationship, whom he even sent campaigning for him in Iowa, then scrubbed his existence from his website, Rev Pfleger......seems Rev Wright isn't isolated.

But, I can see why you would try to divert the conversation from his poo realities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu 4Y&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog 2008/05/29/looking-forward-to-a-barack- presidency


by LindaSFNM on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:05:46 PM EST
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sincerest thanks sricki (2.00 / 3)

this really is a great diary.

too often in this campaign supporters of both candidates have only one guide to what's right: what candidate they support. this is a great counter to that, and i hope other Clinton and Obama supporters will follow the lead set here.

i will try, and i have tried, to call out the sexism that has been too often excused by Obama supporters (and i have dozens and dozens of troll rates on Kos to prove it.)
we have to make sure OUR OWN houses are in order. Obama supporters should speak up against the rampant sexism that this campaign has brought out. Clinton supporters should speak out against the racism. fighting racism and sexism are OUR issues, Democratic priorites.
kudos to sricki for a great start.


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:01:05 PM EST

Well, thank Bob, not me. (none / 0)

He's the one who wrote it. I just crossposted. ;)


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:09:02 PM EST
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cross-posting here was an act of courage (none / 0)

"He's the one who wrote it. I just crossposted. ;)"

well, posting it here was VERY important, since there are so mnay Clinton supporters here. you are helping prove that the most vitriolic and loud people who claim to support Clinton are not the typical Clinton supporters.

(and again, i am trying to walk it like i talk it, i always post anti-sexist diaries at Kos and anti-racist ones here.)

on the next question, do i have an example of sexism in the media? sure, just watch any episode of "Hardball," you'll get dozens of them. but it's certainly not limited to that show, it is pervasive throughout the MSM.  


the time to rise has been engaged.
by catchaz on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:30:20 PM EST
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Yeah, I know I've pissed a lot of people off. (2.00 / 1)

I also believe that there are several people who post on NQ who are not racist or intentionally hateful. But I think death threats and racism should be loudly condemned, and although Johnson has issued a warning about the death threats, I've never seen or heard any indication that he has a problem with the racism. Because of that, I feel no remorse for calling out his site.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:37:42 PM EST
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Thank you! (none / 0)

I also believe that there are several people who post on NQ who are not racist or intentionally hateful.

Every diary that I have posted there has been posted here.  If you have any doubts about me, read the diaries I've written here.  I don't hate (or even dislike) Barack Obama.  I am not a racist.  And I have repeatedly pledged to vote for him in November.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:52:02 PM EST
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I have great respect for the way (2.00 / 1)

you've supported Hillary. I didn't know you posted there, but I could never consider you a racist, anyway. I expect the good people at NoQuarter are drowned out by the not-so-good people, who always seem to be considerably louder. But I have no doubt that there are plenty of good people there.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:00:19 PM EST
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Examples of sexism (none / 0)

I have been looking hard for overtly "sexist" comments and references from the media, the better to denounce them.

Aside from Tweety's ridiculous statement about Hillary being where she is due to her husband's philandering (not sure how that's "sexist," but it was uncool), can you give a specific example of "sexist" media coverage?


by rhetoricus on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:13:53 PM EST
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no friend of MyDD (2.00 / 1)

Posting this Bob Johnson diary here is very misguided, sricki. The man has no respect for this community, or for any community that disagrees with him. He was banned from here for many reasons, and you are supporting his trollish behavior by reposting disingenuous diaries like this.


by souvarine on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:11:01 PM EST

Re: no friend of MyDD (2.00 / 1)

Attacking the messenger.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:21:15 PM EST
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Re: no friend of MyDD (2.00 / 1)

Bob Johnson was banned because he was trolling here. He is not a messenger, he is a troll. I don't follow No Quarter, but a diary attacking that site with name calling, with no examples whatsoever and that clearly distorts another author's intent is a troll diary. It has no place here, and sricki's cross-posting it here was a mistake.


by souvarine on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:34:29 PM EST
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Re: no friend of MyDD (none / 0)

Bob Johnson wasn't banned.

And you're attacking him with name-calling, with no examples whatsoever.  Which, by your own argument....


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:56:27 PM EST
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Re: no friend of MyDD (none / 0)

Many of the posters and diarists at No Quarter have no respect for REAL human communities.

Groups that number in the millions.

Not just a few dozen people that like to spend their time bickering online.

I think there is a moral distinction to be made.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:18:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Life imitates art (2.00 / 1)

This diary reminds me of the Colbert Report show when Colbert posted a racist comment about Turks on Daily Kos and then immediately denounced Daily Kos for including racist comments against Turks.

Anybody on a public blog can post anything. Threats posted on NQ could be from any troll in the world.  What is important is how the blog management handles the matter.  Larry Johnson has handled it by announcing it won't be tolerated and by contacting the Secret Service.  What else would you like him to do?

Sorry, I don't buy that this incident indicates anything more negative about NQ than Colbert's show indicated anything negative about Daily Kos.


by markjay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:22:13 PM EST

Re: Life imitates art (2.00 / 1)

He told people to "knock it off" AFTER the secret service was ALREADY investigating his site.

That says a lot, if you ask me.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:25:39 PM EST
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Re: Life imitates art (2.00 / 1)

How do you know that that's the timeline?  There's nothing in his message cited above that indicates that?  He simply says the Secret Service is investigating it.  I presumed they were investigating it because he notified them.  (Or it could also be that there were comments on his site that he wasn't immediately aware of.  Do you think that Markos is aware of every comment ever left on Daily Kos?)


by markjay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:30:52 PM EST
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Re: Life imitates art (2.00 / 1)

Check his quote in the diary.

(they are investigating two at this moment)

He says he will turn over any threats to the secret service, yet freely admits they were alreadyinvestigating 2 threats on his site.

He either didn't think they were serious enough to warrant a post about them (laff) or he really doesn't care what is posted at his site until it comes under federal investigation.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:37:26 PM EST
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Re: Life imitates art (2.00 / 1)

I read that differently.  I read that to imply that he had already turned over two names to the secret service (thus sparking an investigation) and people should be aware that he will continue to turn over further names.

Of course it's also possible that your interpretation is true, but that he wasn't even aware of the comments until notified by the Secret Service.  I doubt if Jerome reads every comment in every diary on this site.


by markjay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:50:01 PM EST
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Re: Life imitates art (none / 0)

He's been put on notice a couple of times.  One of his more recent and vile posts attracted the usual "Barack Obama is a black supremacist" nuts that are his regulars, as well as user who said they were notifying both the Secret Service and the SPLC.

It's about time.  That site is a nonstop hatefest.


When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?
by Jess81 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:47:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Life imitates art (2.00 / 0)

Dang it. Well, I'll always have Stormfront.


by skaiserbrown on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:56:25 PM EST
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Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 3)

Great job, Sricki. I missed this Bob Johnson diary in the dailykos chaos, and really inspiring to see it reposted by you. You're a credit to your candidate, this site, and why not say it - humanity


by duende on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:38:27 PM EST

Thanks, Brit. I still heart you, by the way. ;) (2.00 / 2)

I think Bob's diary is up on the rec list at dKos, too. But as I said upthread, posting a diary like this over there is just preaching to the choir. I hoped we might have a more interesting discussion here, where there's still a great deal of disagreement.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:44:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thanks, Brit. I still heart you, by the way. ; (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely right. I posted, with his permission, one of his diaries the other week. But it's much more powerful coming from someone more ecumenical like yourself. I still miss him. Tried to persuade him to come back. But his hatred for the administration of this site knows no bounds, if you know what I'm sayin'.

I'll miss you lot on MYDD over the next ten days - off to Armenia and then Holland. But look after the democratic party in my absence will you? I think it could be an important weel


by duende on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:50:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, missed the title of your comment (2.00 / 2)

I heart you too, big time, Sricki. I don't think that will ever stop.


by duende on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:54:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks. (2.00 / 2)

Be careful with that British charm of yours, though. We American women are highly susceptible to it.

Things will be less interesting in your absence, but I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun traveling. Be sure to stay safe.


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:11:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oh lord, overly preachy, yes its 'so sad' (none / 0)

how they have fallen, o! save the melodrama please, im so tired of it from both sides


DEMOCRATIC 08!
by rigsoHC on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:02:32 PM EST

Yes, absolutely, (2.00 / 1)

and I think death threats are the most melodramatic of all, wouldn't you agree?


I'm only here to look for engels. Screw the rest of this big blue craphole.
by sricki on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:14:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (2.00 / 1)

Almost as bad as the death threats is the million dollar bounty he's touting for copies of the spurious Michelle Obama 'whitey' tapes.

I cannot believe any feminist there can't see the arrant hypocrisy of a republican smear like this, on the leading nominee's wife.


by duende on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:35:10 PM EST

Re: Larry Johnson has to tell NQ inmates to stop p (none / 0)

This is why yesterday, when alegre posted her church stuff and was proud to proclaim "via noquarter"
there was an immediate response.
hilsisfortyfour gets carried away at times but at least does not feed the hungry racists.
I have monitored notwentyfive cents for awhile...
Bob should not be surprised threats surfaced.

I would hope any true Clinton supporter would not return there...Sen. Clinton would be the first to say no to what way too often what is reflected by the comments there.

and alegre? Please refrain from referencing "that place" in the future.


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:52:11 PM EST

BS (2.00 / 2)

Bob Johnson posted plenty of hateful diaries against HIllary Clinton.  I resent you posting this here.


by Scotch on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:20:17 PM EST


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