Clinton Blames You for Hillary's Loss

by gunnar, Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:44:50 PM EST

Sheesh.  How much longer can large portions of the MoveOn.org "crowd" put up with attacks like this?  

Bill Clinton blamed "MoveOn crowd" for a lack of superdelegate support.  Weren't these the same people who originally formed a political advocacy group to say we shouldn't impeach Bill Clinton and that we should MoveOn?

This quote is from Kenneth Vogel at the Politico.

<After rattling off a series of poll numbers showing Hillary Clinton faring better than Obama against McCain, Bill Clinton told donors: "We are in the strongest conceivable position electorally and not in a good fix with the superdelegates, because they have felt all the pressure from the Obama side, from the media, from the MoveOn crowd - who they think is an automatic ATM machine for everybody for life. So, they're reluctant to take on all that.<</p>


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Tags: Democratic Primary, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, MoveOn.org (all tags)

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(shrug) (2.00 / 3)

She's blamed just about everyone else.

Move on is in good company.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:46:37 PM EST

Everyone but the person who's really to blame... (2.00 / 2)

...herself.


by Mystylplx on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:47:37 PM EST
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ultimately... (none / 0)

...I mean that is what it means to sit in the big chair.

But on a more intrinsic level I blame Mark Penn.  I just don't like that guy.


by DawnG on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:23:50 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Blames You for Hillary's Loss (none / 0)

The pressure being felt by Hillary is the same pressure Bill put on other candidates to drop out in 1992.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:48:16 PM EST

Amusing (2.00 / 1)

Amusing that Clinton is complaining some people might be for Obama because MoveOn might give them money.  I don't recall any public threats to withhold donations if they don't get their way from the Obama side, but we have seen some examples of that from the Clinton side.

Reflecting how tense the situation has become, influential fund-raisers for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton have stepped up their behind-the-scenes pressure on national party leaders to resolve the matter, with some even threatening to withhold their donations to the Democratic National Committee unless it seats the delegates from the two states or holds new primaries there. [...]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/15 /clinton-donors-threaten-t_n_91678.html

In a move that could foreshadow a public push from the Hillary forces to get Barack Obama to invite her on the ticket, Hillary's top campaign fundraising official said in an interview that there's a "risk" that Hillary's political and financial supporters won't get behind Obama in time for him to win in November if she's passed over for the veep slot.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/05/hillarys_top_fundraiser_ says_t.php


by libertyleft on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:51:15 PM EST

Sheesh (2.00 / 1)

"Move-On isn't me!


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:02:01 PM EST

Re: Sheesh (2.00 / 1)

MoveOn was perhaps the first organic netroots organization. Its proudly liberal advocacy powered by angry Democrats on the internet, helped lay the foundations for the people-powered progressive blog movement.

So if you're posting on this blog, then you are, in effect, MoveOn.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:20:02 PM EST
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Re: Sheesh (none / 0)

Did "move-on" create the internet too?


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:23:47 PM EST
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Re: Sheesh (2.00 / 4)

You're making a wingnut Al Gore joke on a Democratic blog?


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:28:30 PM EST
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Re: Sheesh (none / 0)

Really? Where did I mention Gore?

You're saying that "Move-on" basically created blogs/sites, I went one step further and asked if "Move-on" created the internet too.


by soyousay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:33:08 PM EST
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Re: Sheesh (2.00 / 3)

uh, right...sarcastic remarks about "creating the internet" have nothing to do with Al Gore.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:36:15 PM EST
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No, I invented politics on the net, in 1985. (none / 0)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:01:06 AM EST
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what could possibly be the purpose of this diary.. (2.00 / 2)

other than to piss people off?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:08:04 PM EST

Re: what could possibly (2.00 / 3)

All due respect, what the hell could Bill be thinking?  MoveOn was founded in support of him.

Fundraising is a good thing.  The netroots has done, and will do, a lot of good.

Apparently he's pretty pissed that these new people aren't doing what he would prefer.  That's fine, but I am a touch aggrieved.

I read the full article at the Politico.  I don't like being anybody's stalking horse.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:13:34 PM EST
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Re: what could possibly (2.00 / 1)

What was Bill thinking?  Simple: If you're not with us, you're against us.


by ProfessorReo on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:00:23 AM EST
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I'm glad (none / 0)

I'm glad this was posted. I hadn't seen the story until now. I certainly want to know what the Clintons think of active Democrats, many who have donated time, energy and money to them in the past.
by mechascorpio on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:52:09 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Blames You for Hillary's Loss (2.00 / 3)

MoveOn gave the people (since Clinton supporters like to emphasize that a lot) a chance to vote on who MoveOn should support, and the people picked Obama.

Just a bunch of sour grapes if you ask me. If anyone needs to "move on", it's the Clintons.


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by Massadonious on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:12:49 PM EST

Re: Clinton Blames You for Hillary's Loss (2.00 / 3)

As I said in another diary, the race is just about over. I know a lot of what's being said is utterly ridiculous, but we need to start letting this stuff go.

I don't even care that much what Bill or Hillary say now...the media and just about everyone else has "moved on" to Obama vs. McCain. We should really be doing the same.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:22:07 PM EST

Re: Clinton Blames You for Hillary's Loss (2.00 / 1)

Uh, this is a pretty hypersensitive diary.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:26:01 PM EST

Uh, what's hypersensitive about it? (none / 0)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.


A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.
by DemsRising on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:54:13 PM EST
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Re: Uh, what's hypersensitive about it? (none / 0)

If I'm in the so-called MoveOn crowd, to me it's a compliment.  In what sense is it an attack?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:58:10 PM EST
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Because Bill is blaming (none / 0)

MoveOn among others for failing to realise The Truth that Hillary is the better candidate?

It's not a very coherent statement, I'll grant you, but I don't think Bill intends to compliment MoveOn for pressuring Superdelegates to go with Obama.  


by JJE on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:31:11 AM EST
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This primary season has gone on too long (none / 0)

and I think my brain is fried.

I didn't say it was an "attack" by Bill, but if you want my opinion, I think it was more along the lines of darn stupid, petty, and childish.

What I didn't, and don't, understand is why you called it a hypersensitive DIARY?

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.
by DemsRising on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:37:55 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Blames You for Hillary's Loss (2.00 / 1)

I get the feeling that Bill is going to have a very difficult time dealing with this, if it turns out to be Obama.  He's shocked.  It happens.


This administration is not sinking. This administration is soaring! If anything, they are rearranging the deck chairs on the Hindenburg!
by venavena on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:33:22 PM EST

I blame Bill. (2.00 / 1)

Hillary was stuck with the legacy of such stinker policies as "60 New Death Penalties" and his continuation of the DrugWar.




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by benmasel on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:04:05 AM EST

Re: Clinton Blames You for Hillary's Loss (2.00 / 2)

Blacks, liberals, MoveOn, the Kennedys, delegates, superdelegates, caucuses, the entire anti-war movement, rich donors, Hollywood, MSNBC, Tim Russert, the nightly news. Who else will Hillary blame?

When she wakes up one day and looks in the mirror, she will have found the true answer.


by MJJLWolf on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:38:35 AM EST

Move-On is shorthand for Bloggers (none / 0)

he only mentions Move-On at the very end, saying the Super Delegates "think [Move-On] is an automatic ATM, for everybody, for life."

I think he really means bloggers.


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by Al Rodgers on Sat May 31, 2008 at 01:10:39 AM EST

As much as I honor Bill, (none / 0)

he should really be attacking Daily Kos and Ariana Huffington. THEY are the ones attacking him, not MoveOn. In all fairness, they did attempt to help him during the GOP coup back some years.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 31, 2008 at 02:00:11 AM EST

Re: As much as I honor Bill, (1.00 / 0)

Yeah poor Bill, he is such a victim.


by parahammer on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:12:53 AM EST
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