Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!!

I'm tired of Gerry Ferraro and her ignorant rants and since March I have decided that I would just ignore her but today her editorial in the Boston Globe just set me off.

Let's take a look at what she had to say.

Here we are at the end of the primary season, and the effects of racism and sexism on the campaign have resulted in a split within the Democratic Party that will not be easy to heal before election day. Perhaps it's because neither the Barack Obama campaign nor the media seem to understand what is at the heart of the anger on the part of women who feel that Hillary Clinton was treated unfairly because she is a woman or what is fueling the concern of Reagan Democrats for whom sexism isn't an issue, but reverse racism is.

I will admit that there has been sexism on the part of the media as well as racism.  I think most of us can all agree on that. However, to blame the Obama campaign is just ridiculous. Why is it that Clinton supporters cannot name a specific example of sexism during this primary that is Obama's fault? If someone is willing to give me an example of Obama being sexist and not the media then I am more than willing to listen. It is understandable that Hillary's supporters are furious at the media for how she has been treated but to blame everything that the media has done on Obama is absurd.  

Gerry tries to explain Reagan Dems to us:

They're not upset with Obama because he's black; they're upset because they don't expect to be treated fairly because they're white. It's not racism that is driving them, it's racial resentment. And that is enforced because they don't believe he understands them and their problems. That when he said in South Carolina after his victory "Our Time Has Come" they believe he is telling them that their time has passed.

What on earth is she talking about? How is "our time has come" meaning that Obama is leaving white people behind?  Is she trying to say that these voters feel like a black man is going to take over the country and leave all the white folks behind? Has Barack  Obama ever signaled or even said that he is going to lock white people up so that blacks can rule the country? Has she forgotten that he is HALF white himself?  Does Gerry really believe this nonsense?

Gerry closes out by basically calling Obama an uppity black man:

They don't identify with someone who has gone to Columbia and Harvard Law School and is married to a Princeton-Harvard Law graduate. His experience with an educated single mother and being raised by middle class grandparents is not something they can empathize with. They may lack a formal higher education, but they're not stupid.

In case  anyone didn't notice, Hillary Clinton went to Wellesley and graduated from Yale law school. She and Bill are now worth over $100 million dollars.  The Obama's, because of his book deal and their house are worth about $4 million and they just finished paying their student loans off from law school. For the record, Obama's mother was on food stamps. Yes, food stamps and he went to school on scholarships. What Gerry Ferraro is saying is what many of us felt about some of these so-called Reagan Dems--they will under no circumstance vote for a black man no matter what he does or say. Geraldine has also made it clear that she won't either. No one should be surprised as she has actively campaigned against black Democrats in New York in the past.   I understand being angry that Hillary lost I would be too if my candidate lost but I would get over it and vote Democrat because the democratic party cares about the issues that are important to me in this election.  

I know many Hillary Clinton supporters who would strongly disagree with this crap and for Gerry to continue on her "insult everyone who doesn't support Hillary" tour is disgraceful and not helpful. Gerry Ferraro is bitter because a woman did not win. She should be bitter at Mark Penn who ran Hillary's campaign into the ground and not Obama. Obama didn't win because of sexism against Hillary, he won because he knew the rules and planned accordingly.  He also won despite 20% of voters in Kentucky and West Virginia stating that race was an important factor and they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary.  

Hillary came into this primary with every possible advantage. She had over 100 super delegates, money, name recognition, and the support of the most popular Democrat in the country. She squandered it all. Was it sexist when the media called Hillary the inevitable democratic nominee eight months ago?  Where was Gerry then? We only started hearing of the cries of sexism from Gerry when it was clear after the primaries in February that Hillary's chances of becoming the nominee were dwindling fast.  

If Gerry wants to continue down this shameful path it is time for her to leave the party. I'm sure that the GOP will be waiting with open arms for her.



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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 2)

Alot of younger women find Ferraro an embarrassment. Her views don't represent all of us.


AnnMarie
by wiscogirl101 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:29:00 AM EST

Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 2)

Alot of Americans find her an embaressment.

She is vile,  she would fit in perfectly at hotair.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:30:48 AM EST
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i'm just disappointed (none / 0)

one of my earliest political memories was the night that ferraro was nominated to be the dem VP candidate.  as a young girl i was so inspired by her.  i remember watching it on tv and being blow away.  now... i'm just disappointed.  i didn't realise that ferraro's idea of feminism was so different from my own.  


Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:33:47 AM EST
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Re: i'm just disappointed (1.00 / 0)

I agree! Geraldine is proving the HRC is not ready to be President.

Why?

Well, most of the world's leaders are males. And when the time comes to hold diplomatic sessions with World leaders, HRC will not be able to say that the men were mean and that they were hard on her because she was a woman.

Geraldine (and HRC) can't have it both ways. You can't say you are equal or better than men and they say that they attacked you and blame that as a reason for losing.

When you are black, hispanic, or a woman in this society, sometimes you have to work a little harder to prove yourself and whinning is not helpful at all. In fact, it proves to those with the wrong mindset, that you are weak.

Not good.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:06:47 AM EST
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what a moronic comment (2.00 / 0)

so then, does Rev. Wright and his idiotic commentary mean that Obama is now incapable of sitting down with white world leaders or female world leaders?  There goes Europe and a good part of Africa, who needed them anyway...


by linc on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:23:49 PM EST
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Re: what a moronic comment (none / 0)

Sorry - I wasn't clear.  I am not agreeing with Ferraro. I am just saying that Ferraro seems to be undermining Clinton. No one should be making it sound like it was hard for Clinton so it wasn't fair. This world is not fair and she needs to overcome these issues without playing the gender card.

I know Clinton can deal with world leaders, I am just saying that I don't want her to been seen as a victim. It does not help her argument. That's all.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:41:10 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

Younger women.  Older women. Men.  Whites.  Blacks.  Latinos.

She is certainly a train wreck.  I don't know whether to be mad at her her or just pity her.


by rf7777 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:49:54 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 2)

this diary is about as productive as the latest Pastor flap up.

move on.


by colebiancardi on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:31:26 AM EST

Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 2)

It would be easier to move on if Ferraro would shut the hell up. What an embarrassment that woman has become.


by PhilFR on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:39:06 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

She's more than free to speak her mind.

I think she's hurting the party and a lot of good people with what she's saying.  If I knew her personally I would ask her to tone it down a bit.

But I'm not going to say she needs to "shut up."  She could stand to dial back the anger a few notches, though.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:17:49 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 1)

The democratic party believes in democracy. Geraldine Ferraro is a great feminist leader and ardent supporter of Senator Clinton's. I, for one, am glad she speaks out on her behalf, on behalf of the sexism that has been running rampant through this campaign.


by nikkid on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:32:08 AM EST

Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 3)

I guess you just turn a blind eye to her pseudo-racist comments, then.  Seriously, who in their right mind believes that whites would be treated unfairly in an Obama administration?  


by rfahey22 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:35:09 AM EST
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My neighbors do (none / 0)

I was talking to them last night and they are older white people  - they believe Obama would "favor" blacks at white people's expense...You can rant and rave, but I believe they are not unique.  Ignore this at your own peril.


by emmasaint on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:37:05 PM EST
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Re: My neighbors do (2.00 / 1)

So how do you feel about your neigbors now?

Thank god I live in liberal lollypop land.

If you believed that you would sure to keep it to yourself.
The fact your neigbors had no problem saying that speaks volumes.

If what you say is true and ALOT of Americans believe that, they we might as well give up and let Bin Laden take our country, as we have utterly failed.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:47:47 PM EST
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Re: My neighbors do (none / 0)

emmasaint: Do mind sharing with us which state you live in? Do your neighbors know that congress, 80%+ white male have to propose and pass bills before the President can sign them into order?


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:44:00 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 3)

A brilliant voice!

Wow, you got this one wrong, she is the most anti-feminist women I have seen on our side.

Please try and defend this nonsense:


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:37:19 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 1)

According to this video, Geraldine is proving the HRC is not ready to be President. Why? Well, most of the World's leaders are males. And when the time comes to hold diplomatic sessions with World leaders, HRC will not be able to say that the men were mean and that they were hard on her because she was a woman.

Geraldine (and HRC) can't have it both ways. You can't say you are equal or better than men and they say that they attacked you and blame that as a reason for losing.

When you are black, hispanic, or a woman in this society, sometimes you have to work a little harder to prove yourself and whinning is not helpful at all. In fact, it proves to those with the wrong mindset, that you are weak. Not good.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:54:55 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

Maddow is so awesome.  Did you see the looks she was giving Ferrarro?


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:04:00 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

I love Rachel Maddow!

She is a hero to liberals, and honestly I envy her for her ability to keep her cool.
I have never seen her emotions get the better of except when she lost it on Buchanan for telling another pundit to shut up.

Just proves that the BEST pundits on TV are always liberal talk show hosts.
Unlike print journalist or Dem strategist, they answer to no one but their audience.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:21:21 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

I think she was even cool then.  It was Buchanan who lost it.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:31:54 PM EST
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Since her threat is... (none / 0)

she won't campaign for Sen. Obama in the GE, I can only hope she is true to her word.


by tonedevil on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:25:02 PM EST
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If that's all she spoke about (2.00 / 6)

was sexism - I'd be in perfect agreement.

But the problem with what she's been saying is that she just has to buy into the Limbaughian meme of 'reverse racism'.

It's ridiculous.  Rush Limbaugh got canned at ESPN - recall, for some odd reason the mouse saw fit to make him an NFL commentator for a brief period - for saying EXACTLY the same thing about Donovan McNabb.

I'm not attacking Ferraro - I'm attacking what she has said because I find it disgusting for a Democrat to buy into this fairy tale bullshit about swell African-Americans have it.

It's a load of bunk.  I went to an elite university -- there sure as hell weren't a lot of African-Americans in attendance, certainly not on par with the AA population proportionally.  

I've personally seen more than my share of discrimination - at work, in society - with AA friends and colleagues.

All you have to do is read the news... when's the last time you heard or read about someone other than African-American being mistakenly shot multiple times?

There were two studies in recent years - one, out of Princeton, studied the rates of AA applicants without criminal records vs. Caucasians with criminal records applying for 'McJobs' (low paying, fast food type jobs).  The hiring rates were EVEN - meaning, if you're white with a criminal record, you have an equal shot at getting the very lowest of low paying jobs as an African-American who does NOT have a criminal record.

Tell me again about reverse racism.

There was another study, I believe out of Wharton, that studied white collar hiring rates.  They devised identically qualified resumes and sent them to a large number of companies - the sole differences were the names on the resumes.   The 'Gregs' and 'Emilys' got a 50% higher response rate for an initial interview than the 'Tamikas' and 'Jamals'.

Tell me again about reverse racism.

I'll agree with Ferraro all day and night about the existence of sexism in our society and the need to end it.

But when it comes to her bullshit reverse racism rants, enough is enough.  She's full of shit on that account and deserves to be called out on it.


by zonk on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:49:52 AM EST
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Re: If that's all she spoke about (2.00 / 1)

Mojo'd.  The study about hiring rates was U of Chicago.  A couple economists did the research.


McCain: because not everyone's ready to say goodbye to W yet!
by Matt Smith on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:20:16 AM EST
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Re: If that's all she spoke about (2.00 / 1)

and sadly, you wrote all that in response to a known troll who actually doesn't give a damn about anything anyone else has to say.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:07:29 PM EST
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well (none / 0)

I did not have the advantage of your elite past...I grew up and went to school in integrated settings my whole life.  Honey, there is reverse racism.  I have had black friends tell me that other blacks were racists against white or couldn't stand white people...I work in an diverse workplace and we white people know there are several black co-workers who purposely f(*& with white people just for fun.  One used to always put white people in bad hotels.  So again, ignore the reality...bash people who have had this experience as racists...all you will do is make them be quiet - but ignoring their reality won't erase it and won't change how they vote in November.


by emmasaint on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:41:19 PM EST
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Re: well (none / 0)

Anecdotes are not the same thing as data.   People like you are incapable of participating in the discussion because you take personal anecdotes and use them to color your entire perspective.  You're incapable of seeing beyond your own little existence.

And my past is HARDLY elite - and frankly, I resent the implication.

My mom was a teacher who grew up on a farm in rural Indiana.  My dad was a construction worker who went to Vietnam the day after his high school graduation.  When I was young, I wore hand-me-downs and shoes from goodwill.  Our dinners were often spam and leftovers.

Both my parents worked damn hard, DAMN hard to provide me even the opportunity to go to school.  I worked hard, DAMN hard to get accepted.

I got my first part-time job at age 14 - working as a field hand.  I worked all through high school, and then worked two jobs in college to afford it.

More than 10 years after graduating, I'm still facing more than $15K in loan debt.

Don't you dare call me elite.


by zonk on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:55:13 PM EST
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Re: well (none / 0)


I work in an diverse workplace and we white people know there are several black co-workers who purposely f(*& with white people just for fun.

I'm sorry, but I'm not sure that anyone using the term "we white people" shares perspective with most progressives. You can defend Ferraro's vile and hateful belligerence as reality, but that doesn't make it any less despicable, or worthy of the kind of national attention she's been clawing at.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:57:26 PM EST
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Re: well (none / 0)

emmasaint - you are not too smart if you are willing to use these examples to represent the entire landscape. and why do you think these people treat each other the way they do? maybe because they grew up seeing the mom and dad being treated like rats by the gov and their bosses? it is life. not fair but life. i don't think black people are racist against white people in most cases. in some cases, they just hate white people for making them feel inferior for so long. white racist actually feel that they are superior to blacks. that is the true definition of racism. when you feel and act like you are better than the other race. some blacks just hate some whites because they are racists.

* CA uses the terms SOME and MOST to represent that nothing is 100%.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:52:30 PM EST
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"on behalf of the racism..." (2.00 / 1)

That is what you meant to say, right?


by rf7777 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:51:16 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (1.00 / 2)

"I, for one, am glad she speaks out on her behalf, on behalf of the sexism that has been running rampant through this campaign."

You're glad that she speaks out...on behalf of the sexism?  I'm pretty sure you didn't mean that.  

It must be tough trying to keep all of these interesting positions in your head, without getting seriously confused.


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:05:54 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 2)

"likable enough" for one, just the thing a guy tells a 2-bagger he is not drunk enough to take home...

just the first one I thought of. Oh, and you cannot (if you are honest anyway) claim every comment on any blog from an HRC supporter on her and then turn around and try to distance yourself from the folks here and dkos 'representing' him.


by zerosumgame on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:33:26 AM EST

Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 1)

Your post is incoherent.


by rfahey22 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:36:18 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

your inabilty to read and think is your issue, not mine


by zerosumgame on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:45:44 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 3)

As someone who hopes to bask in your deep political insight, perhaps you could dumb it down for me.


by rfahey22 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:47:28 AM EST
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my reading comprehension is usually fine (2.00 / 2)

This isn't an attack, but I didn't understand it either.


by emptythreatsfarm on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:08:42 AM EST
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And your inability.... (2.00 / 3)

to make it clear what, if anything, you're responding to is indeed your problem.

Sheesh.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:30:43 AM EST
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Re: And your inability.... (none / 0)

did you neglect to read the diary, again?


by zerosumgame on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:25:39 PM EST
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You didn't post a diary. (none / 0)

You posted a comment.  I read the comment.  It makes no sense grammatically or otherwise.

Massive fail, troll boy.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:56:06 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 4)

"likable enough" is an answer to a question, "Is Clinton likable enough to be president," and nothing more...

It takes a lot of creativity to misconstrue every little word as some sort of attack.

Your candidate supposedly "can take" the tough questions and tough answers... it doesn't seem that her supporters are willing to suck it up as well as she supposedly wants to do.


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:46:41 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

oh I feel special, you didn't use your sock-puppet to reply!

Anyway, I love how you will draw that distiction for YOUR candidate, yet never seem able to with Hillary. Hypocrisy thy name is Mike...


by zerosumgame on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:59:41 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 2)

Says you swissffun.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:53:18 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 1)

You do understand that you are "writing" and not "speaking." You need to re-read you post slowly. There are words missing or at the very least, punctuation. Sorry. Stop attacking feedback.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:10:45 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 2)

I'm sorry, but I think it's a stretch to turn "likable enough" into something really sexist and offensive.  I don't think "likable enough" is a standard thing to say to someone you don't want to take home.  I've never heard that in my life.

Compare this to Bill saying that if it's Clinton vs McCain, we'll have two candidates who both love America.  If there's any way that "likable enough" played into sexist memes, unpatriotic also played into racist/xenophobic memes.  And so did the "denounce and reject" thing about Farrakhan.  How do you explain this?


McCain: because not everyone's ready to say goodbye to W yet!
by Matt Smith on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:34:27 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 1)

My question to you is simply this: What can you say to the voters of New Hampshire on this stage tonight who see a resume and like it, but are hesitating on the likability issue, where they seem to like Barack Obama more?

CLINTON: Well, that hurts my feelings.

(LAUGHTER)

SPRADLING: I'm sorry, Senator. I'm sorry.

(APPLAUSE)

CLINTON: But I'll try to go on.

(LAUGHTER)

He's very likable. I agree with that. I don't think I'm that bad.

OBAMA: You're likable enough, Hillary.

CLINTON: Thank you...

(LAUGHTER)


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/ Story?id=4092530&page=3

The sexism in that exchange is appalling. Joking around about Clinton's "likability" after a questioner asks about Clinton's "likability" is the epitome of sexism!!

He should've said she's super-duper likable times 10!!!!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:12:13 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

likability is sexism? really? so I can only dislike someone of the opposing sex? must be another hillaryland truism. like hillarymath and automatic delegates. i need to start writing some of these down but I am worried someone will call me sexist for questioning anything said by anyone about HRC.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:56:24 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 1)

"likeable enough" is the very essence of NOT being sexist.  He was trying to make a comment to a candidate.  She happen to be female.  A does not lead to B just because B came after A.  If he says it to Edwards is it still sexism?  Oh wait, it's racism at that point.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:43:27 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

I don't understand what's sexist about that comment.  It was rude.  But a man being rude to a woman isn't always sexist.  Men are rude to men all the time.  Hillary has certainly been rude to Obama.  If Obama had used the "change you can xerox" line about Clinton that would be one you'd list.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:06:24 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

Haha your comment is laughable. The compulsion of Hillary supporters to equate every percieved slight to some over-the-top example of sexist, frat-boy behavior really says a lot about how desperate you are. "Two-bagger" indeed. You said it buddy, not us.


by authority song on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:31:33 PM EST
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History (2.00 / 2)

As some know I am obsessed with the historical context of this race.

I love that when the race card is covered her picture will adorn that chapter.

She will be remembered as the first person to blow the bigot dog whistle.

What an embarrassment to our party, to Hillary and to America.

Democrats have always successfully used the race card on REPUBLICANS because it works, they are the party of hate, not us.
Now we have no moral superiority to stand on.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:34:59 AM EST

parody troll alert (none / 0)

do not feed it


by zerosumgame on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:46:26 AM EST
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Irony alert. n/t (2.00 / 3)


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:31:42 AM EST
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Re: History (none / 0)

oops lordmike already fed his sock-puppet LOL


by zerosumgame on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:46:57 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (1.00 / 0)

This is a result of how affirmative action, which was basically a justifiable concept when it applied to African Americans, expanded to every single ethnic group in America that was not white, and these were the people who had not received benefits and were not getting anything out of it. And they're basically saying let's pay attention to what has happened to this cultural group in terms of opportunities.


by tarheel74 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:35:17 AM EST

Re: Affirmative Action (2.00 / 1)

The thing about Affirmative Action is that white middle class women have benefited the most from it.   Poor blacks and poor whites have both suffered because of Affirmative Action.  It is easy to blame blacks because the media has turned Affirmative Action into a white v. black thing but when you look at the numbers blacks have really not benefited from it.  


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:40:15 AM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (none / 0)

Can you show some of these numbers.

david


by giusd on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:42:32 AM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (none / 0)

Why are they still making seventy cents for every dollar a man makes for the same work? This accusation has been thrown around before and I've yet to see any of you men put up any evidence that proves your assertion.


by Iceblinkjm on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:04:08 AM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (2.00 / 1)

I'm a black female thank you.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:15:01 AM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (none / 0)

Where's your evidence? Got statistics? Links? Are you just pulling this out of your sense of racism?


by Iceblinkjm on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:20:25 AM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (2.00 / 1)

Who is making 70 cents on the dollar?  Blacks or women?  Women HAVE caught up in many fields, sadly however there is still uncalled for pay disparity in many other fields.  Blacks just can't get the jobs in the first place in a lot of regions =/


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:45:51 AM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (2.00 / 1)

That came out a lot snarkier than I intended, I shouldn't post before I have had my coffee.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:46:40 AM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (none / 0)

 Women in general regardless of race are paid less than men. As per recent studies showing that on average they make 70 cents for every dollar a man earns. It's the whole point of the Equal Pay legislation and a cornerstone of the ERA. Again I'd like evidence to back up your assertions.


by Iceblinkjm on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:24:12 PM EST
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Re: Affirmative Action (none / 0)

You want me to provide evidence to you after I pretty much agreed with you?  Um, no?


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:27:15 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 4)

This is what a Democratic feminist sounds like.

http://www.oregondemocrats.org/dpo_chair _meredith_wood_smith_endorses_obama


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:36:16 AM EST

Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

Geraldine Ferrarro = Liz Trotta

Geraldine is a closet Republican. She has to be. How can anyone trying to unite the party spew these sentiments. I agree there has been some sexism in the media but at the same time, to say that Obama is winning because he's black, is equally wrong.

What is the goal? She is creating a chasm that will be difficult to heal come August and November. What kind of leader is this?


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:36:34 AM EST

She can't even hide her McCain (none / 0)

fanatacism at this point. She's probably posting at Hillaryis44, she seems so obsessed the meager time they allow her on the tee vee probably isn't enough for her.


by 79blondini on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:20:41 PM EST
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Gah, you should've just ignored her (2.00 / 1)

Ferraro is a paid pundit of Fox News.  No matter what her party affiliation is, her money comes from the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

She's an embarassment to Hillary Clinton, quite frankly.  Clinton put a stop to her ranting the first time, and she's only come out again now that Clinton has nothing to lose.


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by Dracomicron on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:39:08 AM EST

Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

I hate to break it to you but what she is saying is what a lot of working class voters think.

And she is not calling Obama an uppity black man she is calling him and kerry and Mondale and Dukakis NE educated and northern liberals and they dont agree with their policies.  I am sorry you dont see this.

These voters are barely getting by and they feel that what resources are there to help lower income americans dont seem to make it into their community.

And suggesting they will not vote for BO because he is black is the typical liberal condensedning tude.  These are not racist they are democrats who are not interested in BO theme of "old democrats are bad and we need to change how democrats govern".  They have been part of the democrat party for years and support blue dog dems and not the Kennedy dems and they never have.

I guess it is just sad that voters like this get upset when liberals go around suggesting that they wouldnt vote for BO "because he is black" instead of making a effort to reach out to these democrats and these issues.

david


by giusd on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:41:44 AM EST

Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 2)

she is calling him and kerry and Mondale and Dukakis NE educated and northern liberals and they dont agree with their policies.

Last time I checked, Wellesley and Yale are both in the northeast.  And Clinton and Obama are only a little bit different policy-wise.

That's not the problem with Ferraro.  To Ferraro, Barack Obama's problem isn't that he's a northeastern-educated liberal - it's that he's not Hillary Clinton.


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by mistersite on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:00:35 AM EST
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I'm inclined to agree, though if you ever saw Ferraro in full phlegm-spitting mode, you'll wonder as I do whether even Clinton isn't as important to her as.. Ferraro.

The first time around it was about her righteous indignation at being called racist. It's never been about anything but her accomplishments, her opinions, her feelings. Just when things quiet down she self-resurrects, hideous and snarling, to spew more of her venom on an unsuspecting public. It's like a B-grade horror flick where the monster just will not die.

I've come to believe that it is indeed all about Ferraro. People like her just need a scapegoat to drape their long-standing ugliness and bitterness around. That Ferraro believes she's some kind of heroine only makes the delusion more grotesque. That this vile, hateful Medusa can spawn earnest apologists in this crowd just completes this frightening charade.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:28:58 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 1)

So then what the hell is Hillary? She was raised in the upper class suburbs of Chicago. She went to two Ivy league schools and is worth $100+million dollars.  Obama's policies are practically the exact same as Hillary's.  What is he saying that is so different from Hillary?

This is a man who started as a community organizer helping those who lost their jobs when plants closed find new ones. This is a man who instead of working at a corporate law firm where he could make serious bucks decided to go to the streets.

You are clearly ignorant of the facts and want to remain that way. I will agree with you that Kerry came off as an elitist and even I couldn't relate to him but I voted for him because I knew that he was going to carry the values of the democratic party at the end of the day. What has George Bush and Republicans done for these people lately?

Bill Clinton did good things for this country but he also did some things that have been rightfully criticized. This isn't about demeaning Bill's accomplishments it's about turning the page from Republicans and the DLC way of doing things which is to pretend to be Republicans.

I will do everything possible to reach out to these voters who have reservations about OBama because he is black and assure them that they would not be better off under another Republican like John McCain.  It is important that everyone knows that at the end of the day when it is McCain v. Obama, Obama is the one that cares about the average american and is going to do his best to make sure that their voices are heard which have been ignored for the last eight years.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:01:50 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

Well i guess i dont think i am ignorant of the facts.  You are the one suggesting that these votes will not vote for BO because he is "black" and that is your issue not mine.

But i find it interesting that your first comments are insults and demeaningn comments about HRC when i post was nothing to do with her.  Then you demean Bill Clinton.

You feelings and views about democrats are clear.  But of course i am the one who is ignorant of the facts.  Interesting.

david


by giusd on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:20:38 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

I am a democrat and will always be one unless my values change which are not likely to happen. I am not demeaning Bill Clinton all I said is that there are reasons to be critical of some of his policies.  Bill Clinton was not perfect.

Look, I am a supporter of Obama first and foremost because he is a Democrat and represents my values. I personally find his candidacy more compelling than Hillary's. Would I vote for Hillary if she were the nominee, of course. I care far too much about the direction of this country to let a heated primary race stop me from voting for the democratic nominee in the fall.  I hope that you and others will realize that between McCain and Obama, Obama is the better person to lead our country.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:28:26 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

I have never suggested that i would vote for McCain and your last sentence is the typical BO supporter loyality test bs.  NOTHING in my post suggests that i would vote for McCain.  

But i did suggest what reagan dems think and you are the one suggesting that is unloyal to the party??? And such information requires you to attack HRC.  But nothing new about this.

david


by giusd on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:33:57 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

What caused Reagan Gems to become Reagan Dems in the first place? Are you going to claim that Reagan's constant talk about Welfare Queens was not racist dog whistles? That the backlash against the Democrats at the end of the seventies was not a continuing backlash against Democratic support for the civil rights movement, that Reagan was not expanding the Southern Strategy into Northern whites?


by letterc on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:41:31 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)


I have never suggested that i would vote for McCain

1. It's the democrat*ic* party. The term "democrat party" is usually used by those that aren't.
2. The "typical liberal" reference is usually used by those that aren't.

Just sayin'.


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:56:52 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

troll.


by letterc on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:43:57 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

Double troll.

david


by giusd on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:06:05 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

double double troll, no take backs. :p


by letterc on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:29:01 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

"They have been part of the democrat party for years."  Nice one.


McCain: because not everyone's ready to say goodbye to W yet!
by Matt Smith on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:38:25 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)


They have been part of the democrat party for years.

He also snuck in "typical liberal condensedning tude" (sic).


It is not because I cannot explain that you won't understand. It is because you won't understand that I cannot explain. - Elie Wiesel
by Sumo Vita on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:52:34 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

But then she can't complain about sexism while admitting that Obama faces CONSIDERABLE opposition as a bi-racial man.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:09:42 PM EST
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She is part of the problem... (none / 0)

And she is not calling Obama an uppity black man she is calling him and kerry and Mondale and Dukakis NE educated and northern liberals and they dont agree with their policies.

If that is the case, I have little sympathy for her.  The NE liberal smear is something that Republicans have used against our candidates for years.  They have used that line as a wedge between working class voters and politicians who actually have their best interests at heart.

For Ferraro to continue that attack makes her unworthy of being defended.  She ought to be out there pushing back against that line, not propagating it.

One more thing, if Obama is NE educated (Harvard) and a northern liberal (Illinois), then what is Hillary?  Their policies are little different, and Hillary is NE educated (Wellesley, Yale) and represents a northern state (New York).

So Obama is NE educated and a Northern liberal, as is Hillary.  What is Ferraro's point?


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:44:49 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

Geraldine Ferraro IS a NE education northern liberal.

At least that what she told my parents when she asked for their vote in 1978.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:03:29 PM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

Actually, just about everything Ferraro said in these particular quotes strikes me as dead on.

Your interpretations are mostly just distortions of what she said.

For example, "Has Barack  Obama ever signaled or even said that he is going to lock white people up so that blacks can rule the country?"

Could that be more obviously a grotesque distortion of what Ferraro said?


by frankly0 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:41:47 AM EST

Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (2.00 / 1)

Well honestly I've not been able to see what else Ferraro is saying. "they're upset because they don't expect to be treated fairly because they're white. [...] when he said in South Carolina after his victory "Our Time Has Come" they believe he is telling them that their time has passed."

This is racist to the point of insanity -- when Obama is saying "Our Time Has Home" only the most vile racist that can be thinking Obama means "Black people's time has come, it's time that we start treating white people unfairly".


by Aris Katsaris on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:26:03 AM EST
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Its a percentage of crazed supporters (none / 0)

I did some Boolean searches to see which political sites were the worst, seeking comments where bitch and a certain candidate's name were both used.  It was not scientific, because, e.g., someone might be commenting on sexism.  But once you streamed through the list of comments, you could see that for some sites, many comments were derogatory towards women.  I think it may be the policy of the site owners.  For example, MyDD and the rabid pro-Obama site Americablog registered next to nothing.  (Yea!)  Wonkette had a lot.  But the worst offenders were Kos and Democratic Underground.  Both were over 10,000 hits as I recall.

Again, this was not scientific (e.g.,  one might compare hits with site traffic), but it points in a few directions.

The owner(s) of Kos, for example, might announce a policy that beginning in x days they will ban commenters who use certain words when describing a candidate.


by katmandu1 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:43:23 AM EST

Re: Its a percentage of crazed supporters (none / 0)

You're right, it isn't scientific - because I could create a new account now and 24 hours from now, I could drop down 100 instances of that word before being banned.

Those instances would show in your count.

What wouldn't show in your count would be the hide-ratings I would receive for those instances.

That's how community-moderated blogs work.


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by mistersite on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:03:09 AM EST
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Re: Its a percentage of crazed supporters (none / 0)

That's kind of enough ragging on Kos.
I've lurked here for a while, and the lies about what goes on there are really out of hand.
Any time someone uses the b-word on Kos, they're immediately pounced upon, and HR'd, there are lots of feminists over there, as well as people who just don't want to hear that sort of talk.
I understand that some people here are upset that it's basically an Obama supporting site, but there are still Clinton supporters there who are happy and treated fairly, and the lie that it's basically a misogynistic free-for-all needs to stop.
I've also stopped people there who claim this site is a one-sided, racist free-for-all.
* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *
by Maori on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:58:11 AM EST
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Re: Gerry Ferraro Strikes Again!! (none / 0)

While I don't think its her place to speak for a whole swath of folks , I cannot say she is wrong in terms of what she said about Reagan democrats .

Infact he reasons were some of a list of issues why Reagan could appeal to a lot of these democrats .

National Security a la Jimmy Carter , Reverse Racism /Affirative Action , the plight of the middle class vs. the poor , the perception of dems been beholden to special interest groups especially African Americans , feminists etc were all factors they led  to the defection of Reagan democrats to the Gipper.

Historically she wasn't far off .


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by lori on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:46:22 AM EST

Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (none / 0)

Ferraro's talking about CLASSISM, not RACISM!

Diarist is typical of what is wrong with posturing by Obama supporters at the moment.

Diarist, you're NOT getting it! It's this type of rant which is hurting the Unity meme more than anything.

Ferraro's RIGHT on this.

Your comment and reference to her comment, when looked at objectively, makes you look like you're pulling the race card here!

ENOUGH of this, dammit!


Gerry closes out by basically calling Obama an uppity black man:

They don't identify with someone who has gone to Columbia and Harvard Law School and is married to a Princeton-Harvard Law graduate. His experience with an educated single mother and being raised by middle class grandparents is not something they can empathize with. They may lack a formal higher education, but they're not stupid.

If this doesn't stop, Obama's supporters will continue to undermine their candidate's campaign.

The posturing here in this diary is quintessentially disaffecting.

It doesn't help Unity. All it does it make matters more divisive between the camps. ENOUGH!


by bobswern on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:49:47 AM EST

Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (2.00 / 3)

Is "reverse-racism" now being called classism?  And, how do Ferraro's two sentence that you cited make any sense?  They can't identify with him because he went to an Ivy League law school (like Clinton), and they also can't identify him because he was raised by a single mother and his grandparents?  What life narrative does Ferraro believe that the voters she describes would respond to?


by rfahey22 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:56:40 AM EST
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Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (none / 0)

You say, "they also can't identify him because he was raised by a single mother and his grandparents?"

Here is what she actually said:

His experience with an educated single mother and being raised by middle class grandparents is not something they can empathize with.

You obviously chose not to mention two critical points in your distortion of what Ferraro said: that the mother was "educated" and that the grandparents were "middle class". Do you not get that both of those points are things that signal to Reagan Democrats that Obama is of a different class than they? They understand perfectly well the distinction between working class and middle class. They understand completely the implication and advantage of having a mother with a Ph.D.

And do you not understand that for most people in the US, certainly including Reagan Democrats, class is NOT fundamentally an issue of money, but rather of status based on education and type of job? Is that something you also fail to get?

Now of course Hillary had her own equal advantages in terms of her upbringing. But that is not the point. However Hillary has managed to do it, she has convinced working class voters that she empathizes with them and their concerns - just as FDR did in his day.

And Obama's real problem is that his personality and manner has struck working class voters as elitist and sneering.

What Ferraro is pointing out is that there's nothing about his personal life story that could ever make up for his perceived defects in terms of empathy. To Reagan Democrats, that life story is not one they can identify with; it is the life story of a member of the "meritocratic" elite -- the very class who so regularly sneers at them (Obama supporters might look at some of their own posts to verify this point).


by frankly0 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:20:22 AM EST
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Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (2.00 / 1)

Yes, being the master manipulator that I am, I obviously left out the part about food stamps as well (as did Ferraro).  Obama just can't seem to win - he was raised by a single mother who was on foodstamps, but she has a Ph.D. so she's an "elitist," he was raised by middle class grandparents, but they weren't "working class," and so they too are of a different species.  On the one hand, his mother's education outweighs her economic circumstances; on the other, economic circumstances alone are the problem.

Part of this supposed divide is the mythology that people construct about the candidates and their upbringing.  Ferraro clearly chose to emphasize those aspects which fit her pre-defined narrative and ignored the rest, as do many here who throw around the elitist charge but then claim that Clinton somehow would not have the same problem.  It's clear that Obama has his work cut out for him with respect to Rust Belt voters, but Gerry Ferraro's slanted viewpoint is not the be all and end all of the debate.          


by rfahey22 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:38:46 AM EST
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Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (none / 0)

Yes, but even the "food stamps" part means little to most people, in terms of a class indicator.

In the end, his mother came from a class that they simply don't identify with. Perhaps she went on food stamps. But that was presumably not because her entire family was actually in desperate circumstances. Presumably, it was because she was a student, or chose not to work, or simply didn't want to depend on her middle class family (I don't know the exact circumstances).

You really have to understand that for genuinely working class families, none of this looks like their own circumstances. They know that their entire family is living from paycheck to paycheck at best. That if they want to or need to turn to their family for help, there are very few resources their family can offer them. They certainly understand that if a mother has a Ph.D., and can presumably get a quite respectable job if she so chose, then the notion that that mother really is in the same situation economically as they are is pretty absurd on its face, most especially if her parents are reasonably comfortable.

Really, you can pretend that working class voters can't figure this out. But they can. Maybe you somehow don't see the difference, but working class voters know in their own lives just how important all those distinctions really are. They are indeed the markers of class, which they know if you don't.


by frankly0 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:01:29 PM EST
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Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (none / 0)

"Perhaps she went on food stamps. But that was presumably not because her entire family was actually in desperate circumstances. Presumably, it was because she was a student, or chose not to work, or simply didn't want to depend on her middle class family (I don't know the exact circumstances)."

...so you just decided to make something up?

I currently am an upper middle class programmer.  I came out of a middle class background.  Right after graduating from a rather elite college, I found myself homeless for 3 months.  Stuff can happen even to those who are perceived to be elite.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:11:21 PM EST
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Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (none / 0)

yes, and you actually just make my point: you are now an upper middle class programmer. And you are so largely because you graduated from an elite college.

You see, people in the working class do get the distinction between temporary bad circumstances and an entire life riddled with economic instability.

Obviously, you don't get that distinction.

And the reason it doesn't really matter exactly what the circumstances were behind Obama's mother being on food stamps is that people understand that they weren't inherent to her life and class, but only temporary and perhaps even voluntary.


by frankly0 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:02:51 PM EST
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Actually I'm a programmer because my gift for math suddenly turned out to have a practical use.  I also spent 3 years in grad school making $7200 a year (in the 90s) which was just above the food stamp line but below the level that meant that I could have regular meals.  After that, I spent 2 more years working barely above minimum wage jobs before the dot com boom happened and propelled me into a career.

Most of my friends from school who I keep in touch with make well below the median income, many are just working service jobs. Scholarships are the reason why a lot of people went there.  The magical path to easy street just doesn't exist.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:26:45 PM EST
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Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (none / 0)

Well, I'm certainly not going to invent facts in order to fit a pre-defined narrative and also claim to speak for an entire segment of voters.  Maybe I'm just not as in tune with the "everyman" as you are.  People pick up on spin presented as truth, of that I have no doubt.


by rfahey22 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:30:01 PM EST
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Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (2.00 / 2)

Wtf?  How can you say that these voters find Obama to be of a different class - but not Hillary, who is FAR richer and had the same privileges that Obama had?  It doesn't make sense, as an explanation.

And her comment doesn't even track logically.  'They have no formal education, but they aren't stupid'?  So, since they are smart, they don't trust Obama, or they like Hillary?  That argument doesn't follow what came before it whatsoever.


by Lawyerish on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:57:04 AM EST
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Re: Diarist goes to great lengths to conflate! (2.00 / 2)

So then why didn't she bring up Hillary's background if that is all she was talking about? I have a feeling because Hillary's background is far more elitist and she would look contradictory if she brought it up.


by sweet potato pie on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:03:58 AM EST
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Obama's classism is same as Kerry's (none / 0)

People are totally conflating this.

It's possible to be cut from the same cloth and NOT exude classism. Hillary is a master at this.

Obama's turning off a lot of NON-racist, middle and lower income Dems with classism.

(The "bitter" tape is a major underlying problem which has created this.)

I've seen this problem play out in MANY other elections (with white candidates), too. I've seen at least 6 or 7 candidates at the State and Federal (Congress/Senate) lose due to this very image issue.

It's a real turnoff and it has NOTHING to do with race.


by bobswern on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:12:02 AM EST
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