Why I will support Barack for President

I want to stake a very clear position.  I support Barack Obama.  I support him in 2016.

I think you should support Barack for the following reasons.

1)  Barack's political missteps are not fatal in the long term.  He has real problems, they are not trivial, the Clintons also have real non trivial issues.  Next time he will dare not say his supporters won't support his opponents.  Next time he will dare not stand against democracy.  But most importantly next time it will be 4 or 8 years later and all his laundry is coming out hopefully in the primary so that even if he loses none of it is new to voters in 2016.

2)  Obama's personality is not fatally flawed.  Obama has taken positions that reveal that he may not be the worlds nicest guy under all his image.  But you know what some of my heroes are not the nicest people in private.  Obama has had a rough life and made some seriously wrong choices but I believe that he means what he has said about hope being that with God people who are bitter inside can be bringers of un-bitterness.  He may be bitter inside, he may have made corrupt bargains in the past (what politician hasn't), but I believe that he genuinely wants hopeful change.  Thats a serious positive for him.

3)  Obama is a even tempered nice guy on the surface.  If you take his surface at face value he is one of the nicest and even tempered people I have ever seen.  That is a legitimate asset in a minority that has to win over voters who WANT to not like him.  This is not a characteristic that is easy to find.

4)  Obama is charasmatic.  Sure Ford could be the first black president if Obama doesn't take the VP, but Ford probably can't fill the charm vacuum.  The recent governor of NY is black and will end the monopoly of non-black governors in NY but its more of a fizzle than a bang.  AAs want and deserve a BANG with their first president and Obama provides that while others may not.

5)  Obama is who AAs want.  We are destined to lose the AA vote soon after the first black president as racism will quickly crumble after a black president.  In a country where the black president is just like AAs each of them will be freer to reach for their full potential and the conservative ones will drift to the GOP.  But we as a party OWE them.  AAs have been very loyal to us, not loyal enough that they can blackmail us with their lack of support, not loyal enough that they can silence Florida and Michigan.  But they have been VERY VERY loyal and we OWE them our support if not in 2008 then at least in 2016 and that starts now.

Now to be clear I AM NOT VOTING FOR HIM IN 2008 and based on Demographics he is not winning in 2008.  But I think its important that as opponents of Obama we need to keep him viable for 2012 or 2016.  

I have said before that I think he does best with a Clinton/Obama ticket because the Clintons have enough good will built up that they can fight the GOP over Hillary and while doing also fight the GOP over  the Obama issues and by so doing destroy some of those issues.

Obama needs someone like Hillary or more importantly Bill arguing that he is a stand up guy that the common folk should be able to relate to.  Because there is bad blood between Obama and Hillary if the Clintons and the Obamas can GENUINELY bury the hatchet and that happens with the Clintons WINNING this round it will make it possible for the mildly racist or mildly conservative democrat who has pent up liking for Bill to transfer that like to Obama, because the transfer will occur on bubba's terms and they trust bubba and its important to them that Obama suffers a little after painting Bubba as a racist.  

To many of them they ARE bubba, they know that, they know Bubba knows that, but most importantly they know Obama knows that and they think he looks down on them.  Obama showing genuine LOVE for Bubba is what OBAMA needs in the long run to connect with the common folk.  And the more obviously hard that is for Obama (such as after losing) the more it will sway voters if it is genuine.  Its like Obama buying the guy who beat him in a fist fight a beer, thats something people understand on an emotional level as a gutsy and brave action even if they were cheering the guy to beat Obama's ass.  That kind of emotional connection turns hate into respect and finally into love and Obama has a way to have the Bubba's of the world LOVE and RESPECT him.

Gore, Kerry, Edwards, Dukakis, Carter, Kennedy, Pelosi, etc etc etc none of them can offer this get out of redneck hell card that the Clintons can offer.  It may not seem fair to Obama but thems the facts.

I think as supporters of Clinton we need to also consider the angle that one day Obama may be our flag bearer not just in the sense that he is the Democratic party man  but he may one day be the Clinton faction man.  As such we need to make sure that we don't damage him for 2016.  The winner of this primary will NEED the other as a running mate and that may lead to VERY strange changes in political backing.  Hillary needs Obama's voters and would be willing to bargain future support and that support only means something if we the Clinton faction are willing to give that conditional support in return for conditional support now.

Keep that in mind friends... =)


Poll
Do you the supporters of Clinton take the oath to conditionally back Barrack next time if he Supports Hillary this time?
I a Clinton supporter will conditionally back Obama
I a Clinton supporter will never support Obama
I am a Obama supporter
Where are all the pro Nader diaries??

Votes: 21
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 2)

So, if Obama ends up being our Democratic candidate in the General....you are voting for ____??


by Kysen on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:15:49 AM EST

Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 3)

I did not vote in your poll because I am an Edwards supporter who will vote for the Democrat be it Hillary or Obama.


by Kysen on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:17:28 AM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)

I am a Dodd supporter that voted for Obama and will fight for strong Democrats to win all elections.


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by GeorgeP922 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:35:37 PM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (1.00 / 1)

In my view, Obama is Bill Clinton in the making. But the country doesnt need Bill Clinton in 2008. Country needs Hillary Clinton to give us a new direction. So I agree with you that Obama can get more experienced with Clintons and run in 2016.


by Sandeep on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:22:43 AM EST

More experience? (2.00 / 1)

I've often wondered (and this question is sincere), what experience will Obama gain during 4 more years in the Senate that will make him more qualified to be President in 2012 than he is now?


by wayne204 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:25:59 AM EST
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How about actually doing something (2.00 / 1)

other than posturing and campaigning for his next promotion?

That's all he's done since elected to the Senate - and he admits that he started campaigning on day one of that new job.  In fact, there is evidence that he started campaigninG just before that election.

WORK.  DO SOMETHING.  DON'T JUST APPEAR ON THE HORIZON AND EXPECT PEOPLE TO FALL AT YOUR FEET.


by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:43:14 AM EST
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Re: How about actually doing something (none / 0)

It's public record what bills have been passed that were sponsored by which senator.  Obama and Hillary has gotten roughly the same amount of legislation through.  


by reenactor on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:56:20 AM EST
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Obama = Political Lurker (2.00 / 1)

Obama is a Political Lurker...always in the picture, but never out front, never leading the charge.  Even his "famous" speech resulted in not a single attempt by BO to end the war once he got into the Senate.  But then, he was so busy on day one running for his next promotion he forgot that little issue, didn't he?

I remember reading about him running into committee members on their way to a press conference about something they had just accomplished.  He said, "What's up" and they told him and he said, "Can I come along"?  They said sure - they wanted people on the podium for pictures and then he had the audacity (whoops!) to take the mic and speak as if he had been personally involved in the accomplishment.  Staffers were pissed as hell at what he did.

He lurked in CT in 2006 (never really coming out and supporting Ned Lamont).  He lurks on pro-choice (using weasel words and voting present).  He lurks on race (demanding a dialog and now saying we should all move on - pun intended!).  Condemning the Gas Tax Holiday proposal when he supported other such proposals three times.  

Where in the world does he really stand on things?  I don't know.  And I'm not willing to take a chance.

If we elect a lurker then Repugs will rule the day anyway because he lurks right as much as he lurks left.

NOT what we must have for this country if we are expected to move forward.

Plus, he has destroyed any improvements we have made in race relations since 1960.  

He should be ashamed of himself.


by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:25:37 AM EST
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Re: Obama = Political Lurker (none / 0)

Obama needs to be Ashamed of himself?

you really think Hillary can do no wrong don't you

If you think that Gas tax Holiday is a good Idea and is good for the country

you are either a idiot (which is what Hillary is hoping for) or you are just lying to yourself
either or


PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:13:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama = Political Lurker (none / 0)

Gas tax is semi bad policy that benifits the poorest people.  Unlike most tax cuts it actually helps truckers, pizza delivery men etc more than it helps the rich.

Its bad policy regarding tax on gas for roads and to reduce consumption being a good idea but you could move that to a tax on cars by milage/gallon.


by DTaylor on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:38:31 PM EST
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Re: How about actually doing something (none / 0)

Is this a new iteration of the "it's Hillary's turn" meme?


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:44:13 PM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)

So, not Clinton, but Clinton.  I see.


by reenactor on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:57:03 AM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 5)

I will support the Democratic candidate without conditions.
This country cannot withstand 4 more years of the Bush republicans.

Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country


by skohayes on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:04:56 AM EST

Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 4)

I look forward to Casting my vote for Obama in November '08.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:39:46 AM EST

Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 2)

Me, too!

And the claims that Clinton is so good at policy has  been seriously undermined by her pushing the ridiculous and demagogic gas tax holiday.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:42:46 AM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 3)

But it's good politics, it helps her connect with the working class, just like voting for the Iraq war was good politics because everybody loved the president back then. sigh.


by grass on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:28:02 AM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 2)

It's only good politics if you believe the American public is stupid enough to fall for this gimmick.


by vermontprog on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:05:21 AM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)

Yup, it's called PANDERING which serves to demean the intelligence of the electorate and make a candidate look foolish


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:30:26 AM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)

oh you mean like bowling a 36?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:12:42 PM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)

Fortunately the MSM isn't going to shovel that bullshit.  Everything I have seen on the media (both local and national) seems to be bashing it.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:46:08 PM EST
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Ha Ha Ha - you're such a laugh. (none / 0)


by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:43:54 AM EST
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You should vote for whoever you want. (2.00 / 1)

If you want to vote for McCain that's certainly your right. If you want to write-in Clinton that's certainly your right.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:30:25 AM EST

In 2016 (2.00 / 2)

If the political paradigm of corruption, cronyism, pandering, and unaccountability continues for 8 more years, I honestly fear there may not be an election in 2016.  Bush/Cheney have so broken this country that more of the same will kill it.  

Party elites on both sides, and that includes the Clintons, are loving the status quo for its flow of corporate donations and lobbyist perks; and either McCain or Clinton do not appear willing to take on that entrenched corporatism.

Go ahead and wait until 2016 to try and change it.  See if there's anything left worth saving.


Nos causidicus Obama , ergo nos non suadeo
by rb608 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:37:43 AM EST

OTOH, if BO is elected in 2008 (a BIG if)... (none / 0)

he will serve only 4 years and Dems and AA will have to wait another generation for another shot at the office of POTUS....IMHO.


by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:45:28 AM EST
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This is new... (2.00 / 2)

We shouldn't vote for Obama because he might lose in 2012?


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:01:23 AM EST
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No, we shouldn't vote for him in 2008 (2.00 / 1)

because he's not qualified for the job and after 4 hold-your-breath years, the Dems will be ruined for another generation.


by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:26:56 AM EST
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Nice of you to tell us the future (2.00 / 1)

wtb a crystal ball as good as yours.

Seriously, no one can say for a certainty what the future brings.  That said, I am voting for the Democrat.


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:29:36 AM EST
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Re: No, we shouldn't vote for him in 2008 (none / 0)

Hmm...I thought we were supposed to vote for Hillary because we can't let African Americans bully us with their "If you steal the election we are gone forever" claims?  But we should vote for Hillary because with Barack we will lose parts of the electorate forever?  Uh...I'm gonna have to go and call hypocrite on that one.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:48:08 PM EST
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I never said anything that you are suggesting. (none / 0)

I believe that Obama is WRONG for POTUS in 2008.  He is wrong as a candidate - my argument does not have to do with black, white or blue.

He is a bad candidate who, because we need a GREAT POTUS to follow-up the Bush years - will become a horrible president...and voters will remember it for a long time...blaming the Dems instead of focusing on the real problem...a person who is not yet up to the job (in terms of skill sets) for which is he pushing for as a promotion.

Surely you have had such bad bosses in the past?


by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:18:37 PM EST
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Re: I never said anything that you are suggesting. (none / 0)

That's totally fine and reasonable.  I admire your support for Hillary.  But if Obama is the nominee, the question is, what will you do then?


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:50:21 PM EST
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Vote down ticket only. (none / 0)

And write Hillary in.  

BO will not win the GE, anyway.

And that's part of my concern.  IF you realize that he will lose the GE, isn't helping him foist himself off on the country the same as given the election to McSame?

We get called all sorts of names because we're sticking with Hillary.

What about people who insist on staying on a sinking ship when there is a lifeboat tied up right next door?


by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:57:56 PM EST
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Re: Vote down ticket only. (none / 0)

No, you get all sorts of names because you are going to write in a candidate with no chance in the GE as a way to thumb your nose at Obama supporters.  Admit it.  You would know that Hillary has no chance to win the GE as a write-in candidate.  You would do it (or are at least saying you would) because you are angry that Obama somehow may win the nomination.

That's why you get called out on your bullshit.  Thanks for helping McCain get elected though.  I'm sure the wealthy people are happy about it.  Everyone else, not so much.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:01:02 PM EST
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The only anger I have is directed AT Obama (none / 0)

only, for perpetrating this hoax on you and this country.

His ego was bigger than his brain.

He should be held accountable for that.

But thanks for your kind words, anyway.


by CoyoteCreek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:10:28 PM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)

Well, I will be voting for Barack in 2008.

And I am going to bring  all the neighbors kids with me so they can get those circular red, white and blue stickers that say "my vote counted"!

Barack 08' all the way, baby!


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:43:52 AM EST

You are UnAmerican (2.00 / 1)

If you vote for McCain, then you are UnAmerican.

The blood of 4,000 dead GIs and 30,000 wounded is on your hands.

Is this all Hillary has, cult like followers who will vote for McCain, someone who openly promises more wars, someone who openly says Hill is wrong for wanting to bring home the troops, just because Hill isn't on the ticket.

I feel sorry for Hillary - how did she end up attracting the bottom of the barrel.  


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:59:18 AM EST

Small revision needed (none / 0)

If you vote for McCain, you had better damn well be so wealthy that you only care about the Bush tax cuts helping you out.  You'd better be so wealthy that you will never worry about health care.  You'd better be so wealthy that you can buy your way out of your kids ever being drafted.  

Anyone who isn't that wealthy, and/or actually cares about their fellow human beings had better vote AGAINST McCain.  I understand not wanting to vote for Obama.  At least vote for Ron Paul or someone else.  Ugh, McCain makes me sick, both on a personal and political level.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:50:23 PM EST
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Re: You are UnAmerican (none / 0)

Thank-You Fox news


by DTaylor on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:47:54 PM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 0)

Or Hillary.  I will support whoever wins the nomination. I'm a Hillary supporter, but either candidate is way better than McSame. We need to stop  bad-mouthing the other Dem candidate. If your candidate doesn't get the nomination are you gonna stay home and not vote?  Or vote for McSame? No, I don't think so, so stop with the bad mouthing.  And, if Obama is good enough for 2012 or 2016, he's good enough for 2008.


by citizensane on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:12:34 PM EST

Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)

Mojo for Hillary supporter that actually makes sense  

I will also vote for whoever the Nominee is


PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Sat May 03, 2008 at 01:10:33 PM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (2.00 / 1)

You've been trumpeting your blackmail proposal for quite some time now (not voting for Obama in '08 even if he's the Dem nominee, but making some specious promise to do so in '16 if he bows out to St. Hillary).  After all this time, still nobody buys it.  Vote however you want, but quit trying to con us.


by rfahey22 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:49:40 PM EST

Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)

When presented with a truth that you don't like you are presented with two options.

1)  Admit that reality is stronger than your perception of it.

2)  Choose to perceive reality in the way that pleases you most.

You are choosing option 2.


by DTaylor on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:51:19 PM EST
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Re: Why I will support Barack for President (none / 0)


 Go hillary
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:12:30 PM EST
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