Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win

Some initial thoughts...

  • There is no overstating it: This was a huge win for the Democrats. This was a district that had been in Republican hands for decades, one that tends to lean about 7 points more Republican than the nation as a whole in presidential elections (or at least did before Hurricane Katrina). In short, this was a district that the Republicans should have been able to win but simply couldn't.

  • If the Republicans can't win here, where are they going to be able to win in November? Seriously. If Democrats are winning districts that are this red -- they now in fact hold seven districts with a similar lead to the Republicans' 6 -- and are competitive in even redder districts like Mississippi's first, which leans 10 points more Republican than the nation as a whole, the Democrats' advantage in House elections nationwide might actually be larger than previously expected by some.

  • Don Cazayoux will be a better Congressman than Woody Jenkins, or the previous incumbent Richard Baker. Yes Cazayoux will be on the right end of the Democratic caucus in the House. Nevertheless, he will undoubtedly be more progressive than either the Republican he was running against or the Republican he is replacing. As such, if you want to help keep him in Congress past January, head over to Act Blue to contribute to his reelection campaign today.

  • The attacks linking Cazayoux to Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama didn't work. They simply didn't. Yes, the Republicans pulled in more votes and a greater share of the vote than they did last month in the first round of balloting. So what. This is a very Republican district and yet despite of this lean and the fact that the GOP tried to make this election about Jeremiah Wright, they still lost.

    This race was very much put forward by the chattering class as a referendum on Obama's coattails (which proved to be strong in the very Republican-leaning Illinois 14th congressional district earlier this year), and Obama's coattails passed the challenge. Simply put, the Republicans may have thought they had found a silver bullet in Obama and Wright (and Pelosi, too, for that matter), but they didn't.

    And just to add one more thing... If Obama has positive coattails (or at least doesn't have negative ones) when he is mercilessly attacked in the paid media in a district (as well as the national establishment media) and yet the Democrat tied to him nevertheless pulls an upset and wins in a Republican-leaning district even without Obama even attempting to defend himself there, doesn't that kind of undercut the notion that Obama is unelectable? That he doesn't have coattails? ...?

This was a huge win tonight. Now we move on to Mississippi's first congressional district, where you can help Travis Childers and the Democrats pull off another super-upset by contributing to his campaign through ActBlue.



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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 3)

So in such a great Democratic year,let's face facts that either Obama or Clinton is very, very likely to win the presidency.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:44:38 PM EST

Rgr that (none / 0)

  The Obamanaut/Clintonista War tends to rent a little too much space in our heads sometimes, it's important to remember that both camps are contributing towards the larger project of changing the political map of America.

Dems in 08! w00t!


by Kordo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:41:46 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

I agree.  We're all very "woe is me" right now, but at the end of this fight the war will still have cost 4000+ soldiers their lives, 45million+ will still be without health insurance, we'll still be destroying our environment so that a few oil tycoons can be richer than God, and the economy will still be in the shitter.

John McCain...your move.


Torture me once, shame on you; torture me and get away with it, shame on us all.
by freedom78 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:42:27 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Yes you are so right. Our poor soldiers and their famlies. I feel so bad for them.


by Politicalslave on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:59:37 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

Amazing win.


by Bobby Obama on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:45:57 PM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

The Obama attacks may have actually helped Caz consolidate and turnout the black vote.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:49:01 PM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 3)

Terrific news.

And huge kudos to the Daily Kingfish, which has been keeping us posted on this race for weeks.

Go Dems!


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:49:03 PM EST

Congratulations kid!! (2.00 / 3)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:50:13 PM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (1.40 / 5)

My reaction is that the Obama issue turned a 6-8% win into a 3% win for Cazayoux.

The GOP turnout was indeed higher, and I'm a bit concerned Obama could cost us some close races in November.  There could be a lot of energized Republicans out there.


by mikelow1885 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:51:10 PM EST

wow, concern trolling!!! (2.00 / 7)

this was a SOLID repub district for decades.

Who told you it was a 6-8% win? A magic 8-ball?

Seriously...

go back to redstate.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:54:13 PM EST
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Re: wow, concern trolling!!! (2.00 / 1)

Jenkins was up 10 points in SUSA before the Obama ads started. He lost by 3. And the winning Dem distances himself from Obama very obviously. The argument that the Obama ad worked exactly as it was intended is pretty strong. May not be correct; you'd have to poll to say. But the proof is in how much Jenkins moved up, not whether he happened to cross 50% or not.


by ColoradoGuy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:01:02 AM EST
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Re: wow, concern trolling!!! (none / 0)

I'm sorry ... he was DOWN 10 in SUSA, not up.


by ColoradoGuy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:01:35 AM EST
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he was up in polls (2.00 / 2)

POLLS!!!

repeat after me!!! Polls!!! Thats not actual numbers. Those are best estimates based on what people say.

This district was super republican.

As for distancing himselfe from Obama.
here is what he actually said

Democrat Don Cazayoux, distanced himself from Obama on Thursday, issuing a stern statement saying that he "has not endorsed any national politician."

nothing about Obama.

So please, kindly shut up and do not kill this victory celebration for us.


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:13:38 AM EST
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small correction (none / 0)

as obvious fromt he statement that was issued it had ntothign about Obama. It was conjecture that he was distancing himself from Obama


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:16:31 AM EST
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Re: wow, concern trolling!!! (2.00 / 3)

Problem with that theory is that it rests on the big assumption that a single poll was accurate. Instead the numbers should be compared to the historical performance of the district which is R+7.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:09:47 AM EST
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Re: wow, concern trolling!!! (none / 0)

Jenkins was a flawed candidate with David Duke ties, one who's lost elections before.

True, some dropoff may be expected in a runoff, especially in a GOP district, my point is that Obama could pull us down a couple of points in tight races, certainly in the South.


by mikelow1885 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:07:25 AM EST
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right you point (2.00 / 2)

which is your opinion. Its not a fact of any kind.

Can you please not destroy this victory celebration for us with primary crap?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:14:34 AM EST
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Re: right you point (2.00 / 2)

He seems to think Southern Conservatives have no trouble with Hillary.

Interesting....


by Bush Bites on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:52:19 AM EST
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Re: wow, concern trolling!!! (none / 0)

Yes all those Red State Republican's love Hillary. Makes you wonder why Cazayoux didn't endorse Hillary and reject Obama? If Hillary was such an asset in red districts it would have been a no brainer. Why would Cazayoux not have a negative word to say about Obama and remain neutral in the race?

Your theories about Obama losing Cazayoux votes (and the implication that Hillary would have the opposite effect) have absolutely no basis in reality.


by hankg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:26:32 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 5)

It was an R+7 district. Democrats routinely drop off in runoffs. This was a big win.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:54:38 PM EST
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The point is (2.00 / 4)

we won...if this had been a D+0 or R+0 district, then I'd be concerned, but at worst, a 6% win became a 3% win in a R+7 district...a district we never could've had a prayer in five years ago.

I don't believe either candidate will help us downticket, or hurt us. If it hadn't been Obama, it would've been Clinton they would be using and perhaps the same effect would've happened.

If we can still win these districts, then we're fine.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:54:49 PM EST
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Do you have any numbers to support that (2.00 / 2)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:55:10 PM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 3)

WHAT?!?!?!?!!  
You have got to be kidding me?!?!?!  
This is the first race in which the RNC used the supposed liberal DEM nominee ... and he still won!?!?  
That IS coattails, my man.  Just like with Hastert's district, our boy is bringing home a 55% mandate.  
'The only people for me are the mad ones, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing ...'
by stryan on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:48:41 AM EST
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Fail (none / 0)

This was a 5% democratic win in a R+7 district.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:10:55 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Interesting... and just how did you manage to calculate those percentages?  Then again if the AA vote had stayed at home, he might have lost altogether.  Not only was this a nice win, but I have just come from my 35th law school reunion where nearly everyone of my fellow classmates, many fancy and wealthly lawyers, have shifted their registrations to vote for guess who?  A small secret.  It isn't Hillary.


by Annabella on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:56:33 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)


This race was very much put forward by the chattering class as a referendum on Obama's coattails (...), and Obama's coattails passed the challenge

As far as I know, Travis Childers was  the one forcefully linked to Obama (and the Wright stuff). Cazayoux was linked to both Pelosi & Obama on taxes, through a much milder one.


by eumc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:53:51 PM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 6)

"Republican committees and their conservative allies have poured more than $1 million into an effort to turn the race for Louisiana's 6th Congressional District into a referendum on Obama, the Democratic front-runner for the White House."

Washington Post


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:58:23 PM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

You're right, didn't know about this:


One of the NRCC ads in the Baton Rouge market suggested that "a vote for Cazayoux is a vote for Obama." Another 30-second spot asked simply: "Is Obama right for Louisiana? . . . You decide."

Childers still has the more difficult race.


by eumc on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:15:42 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 8)

Thanks for your great reporting Jonathan.  Your posts are one of the few reasons I come here.


by The Distillery on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:54:46 PM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Yeah, Springer does good, unbiased work.


by Bush Bites on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:54:19 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Agreed.  He's one of the best.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:37:54 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

"he attacks linking Cazayoux to Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama didn't work. They simply didn't. Yes, the Republicans pulled in more votes and a greater share of the vote than they did last month in the first round of balloting. So what."

So everything.  Or so nothing.

There is really no way to know what effect those ads had on this race.  They might have tightened the race considerably, they might have been completely negligible, or they might have backfired and even helped Don.  You can't know based on the evidence.  Neither can I.  Neither can the next poster.  Unfortunately, that won't stop all sorts of people in the blogosphere and the media from confidently claiming such knowledge.  As a political scientist, this stuff drives me bonkers.

This should be a night to celebrate a great democratic victory, not to speculating about the effects of an campaign that there is not a shred of evidence available to really assess.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:59:37 PM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Crazy grammatical errors in that last sentence.  I need to get some sleep.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:01:02 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

Get some sleep. You're exactly right. People see what they want to see.


by ColoradoGuy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:03:12 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Everything you say is academically true. But the difference between Political Science and politics is that in politics you actually have to make judgments on the fly, you can't wait for a statistical study.

So the imperfect conclusion is that the ads seem to have actually helped Cazayoux (who was struggling with the black vote) by associating him with Obama so as to excite and mobilize the black vote in the district enough to overcome a district which is R+7. And as a political scientist you're probably aware that runoffs routinely experience dropoffs in performance for Dems.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:07:22 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

The thing is that you don't have to make judgments on the fly from this kind of stuff in politics.  You don't have to be a reactionary Obamanaut or Hilaryite who just takes every piece of news and then tries to spin it.  Sure, the campaigns will do that.  The blog commentators and the public don't have to.  And one of the great disgraces of this campaign for the liberal blogosphere is that, as partisan passions have risen, the number of people who are at all intellectually credible on a consistent basis has declined precisely because they are making these kinds of unnecessary claims.

Your "imperfect conclusion" is just more of the same.  There is no actual evidence that the ads helped Cazayoux.  That's just what you want to see, so you're seeing it.  


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:49:19 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Ok, you're more than welcome to never make editorial conclusions. I hope you understand that that's what political blogs are though.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:09:41 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

That's the ticket: Obama/Pelosi


by Piuma on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:00:03 AM EST

interesting choice (none / 0)

Actually I think Pelosi has higher negatives than HRC, and many negatives among dems!


by 4justice on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:13:14 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

SUSA has Cazayoux up by 9 and at exactly 50%. That is basically what Cazayoux got in the end. It looks like Jenkins got most of the undecideds. So unlike the IL race, the Republicans closed better here and it could be because of the Obama/Pelosi ads. Jenkins will probably also run again in November since he was fairly close in the end.


by gomer on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:00:42 AM EST

SUSA is not infallible (2.00 / 3)

They had Obama winning Texas. They had Hillary winning Missouri by 10 points! You can't rely on one poll to make a case particularly in a red district like like this, and with a special election also going on.

You think if Hillary wins the nomination Republicans won't have scary ads attacking Democrats with the Clinton boogeyman?

Lets celebrate a win for Dems tonight!


by richochet on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:39:57 AM EST
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Re: SUSA is not infallible (none / 0)

Of course not.

Hillary is feared and respected by the Republican Party.

In any case, they wouldn't dare attack her because she's been vetted.


by Bush Bites on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:57:12 AM EST
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Re: SUSA is not infallible (none / 0)

Almost forgot:

LOL !!!!!!!!!!


by Bush Bites on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:57:47 AM EST
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Re: SUSA is not infallible (2.00 / 1)

Snark right?  
This is a victory for the DEM party, showing all of us Obama is not the boogey man he portrayed to be.  In fact, it looks to me he has some coattails.  
I bet the DEM establishment is taking note ... in fact, this might have just sealed the deal for the leader in pledged delegates.  
'The only people for me are the mad ones, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing ...'
by stryan on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:05:21 AM EST
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BS (none / 0)

you have no idea why they closed. You are just trollign and spouting in a middle of a victory celebration.

Please go back to freerepublic


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:52:41 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

An incredible win.  Let's put sub-partisanship aside and celebrate a Democratic win here.


by clad on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:04:53 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 4)

If you combine this with Foster taking Hastert's old seat, things are looking good, and Obama's coattails are proving strong.  Thanks for the great diary, as usual.


by haystax calhoun on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:05:05 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

I would appreciate it if the next time you TR'ed me for no reason, you at least make a post about it. Thanks.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:20:05 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

scram kid.


by haystax calhoun on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:27:28 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

I love that we have another D in the House, but you can't read much into this other than how extreme the Republicans' recruiting troubles have become. Unless you live in LA or work there you really have no idea how horrible, how bottom of the barrel a candidate Jenkins is. He's a perennial loser in LA GOP primaries, and a David Duke associate. And the district isn't ALL that Republican (just +6).

I'm just waiting to hear what the Obamabots' reaction will be when this guy announces he's for Hillary. Chances look pretty good to me, as least on a totally superficial, no-information level. I'm SO looking forward to that ...


by ColoradoGuy on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:07:49 AM EST

I wouldnt care who he's for (none / 0)

if it's Hillary, fine

but I would guess he either A.) Doesn't announce until this is over or B.) Goes for Obama.

For one thing, Obama won this district by 28% and Cazayoux has issues with African-Americans, although they did manage to turn out for him today. The guy he defeated in the primary, Michael Jackson, is threatening to go Indy in November in part because he's black and wants to pull AA voters. Cazayoux endorsing Hillary would be more risky to him than endorsing Obama.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:11:40 AM EST
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I suspect (none / 0)

that he'll stay uncommitted until the race is decided and then endorse the winner. He's going to have a very tough race in November, so don't look for him to go making waves.


by Angry White Democrat on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:15:02 AM EST
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Re: I suspect (none / 0)

That's probably the best move for him. In that district he's going to have to run significantly to the right of either Clinton or Obama. Endorsing either would be used against him.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:16:12 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

I wouldn't mind that but I think that would be a very bad move for him politically. He's already going to be facing an independent challenge from a black candidate. A Hillary endorsement would just about assure a difficult situation for him in the fall.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:12:32 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

Obama supporters are happy to support, contribute to and campaign for local downticket candidates no matter who they support in the primary. Last I checked it wasn't called the Hillary or Barack party it's called the Democratic party.

Cazayoux can not afford to alienate any Hillary or Obama supporters. His position is to precarious. I doubt he will come out for either candidate until there is a winner.


by hankg on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:35:23 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

I think the Obama/Pelosi ad had some traction but I also think Johnson's running of ads saying he was going to run in November may have had an effect also.

All this is pure speculation unless we see some exit polls.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:09:23 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

It's Jackson - Michael Jackson. You are correct that he encouraged black voters to stay home. I'm sure that drove down black turnout a bit in East Feliciana Parish and maybe in East Baton Rouge a bit. Thankfully, it wasn't enough.

Don't forget that the RNCC put a TON of resources into this race - both TV and GOTV. And they got heavy turnout in Livingston Parish. But politics is a dynamic thing. You drive up your own base but you can drive up the other base too. Thankfully our base didn't entirely follow through on Jackson's plea.


by elrod on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:04:01 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Thanks for the correction. I do agree that politics is dynamic; things can turn on a dime. It's just one day at a time.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun May 04, 2008 at 06:08:00 AM EST
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Thanks Jonathon for the good news. (2.00 / 1)

I contributed to Cazayoux's campaign and I know a lot of Kossaks (i.e. Obama supporters) did.  I'm sure Hillary supporters here sent bucks too.  I'll kick in a little more for the re-election campaign since I like the young man.  He's a winner.

Just goes to show what a big impact the netroots have on down-ticket races.  I did phonebanking way back when for Ned Lamont and have contributed to the campaigns of candidates all over the country this cycle.  Yes We Can change the way politics is played in this country!


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:12:53 AM EST

HRC Supporters GAVE to Caz (2.00 / 4)

Dear GFORD,

Speaking as an HRC supporter, I gave money to Caz.  It's simple:  a Dem seated in the House is better than any Republican.  PERiOD.

And, my support is not conditional on his support in the pres. race.  If he needs to support Obama to hold his seat, then he should surely do so.  We want the biggest majority we can get.

BTW, I don't mean to suggest that he would support BO only for political reasons.  He may well support either BO or HRC; I have no idea.  I was just making the point that I'm a DEM first, and an HRC supporter second.


by borlov on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:24:39 AM EST
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props. (2.00 / 2)

Signed,

Obama Supporters


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:37:50 AM EST
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Totally agree with your sentiment. (2.00 / 1)

Down-ticket races are really important.  And the netroots (folks like you and I) have had a big impact on them.


That One is the Right One for 2008.
by GFORD on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:47:07 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

I'm thrilled Cazayoux won because it means that Democrats can be a threat everywhere.  

Since I don't have enough money to fund progressives who would join the caucus and help choose a better majority leader and be there to vote with the party when the chips are down, I'm not about to send my $ to him, but nonetheless I'm excited that he's been able to replace the loony right winger Republican.  There may be a few votes where he sticks with us when we need him, and that's better than a 100% certainty we won't get the Republican to vote with us.  

Despite the fact his election means the number of conservatives in the Dem congressional caucus goes up, it's worth it because it sets the stage for doing better in November for a lot of more progressive candidates.  


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by PeterB on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:15:15 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

Plus the NRCC spent $1 million on him. That's $1 million they can't spend in other races.


by Angry White Democrat on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:19:18 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

guys, not just yet, on Wright not hurting Obama. The campaign hasn't gone national yet, its just a primary fight. But come November, when everyone is paying attention, this could be a different story.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:16:14 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

Do you realize how far away November is? I'm sure by then they'll find some new non-issue that affects no one, but the Wright nonsense has played out.


Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:29:46 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

This was a general election for a House seat. And it was in the Deep South where Republicans have held since the 1970s. If scary anti-Obama ads don't work here, they won't work anywhere. I suppose MS-01 will give us some more indication though.


by elrod on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:05:26 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 4)

Funny names are so in this year.  Get with the program peoples.


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by enozinho on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:20:21 AM EST

Careful (2.00 / 7)

"doesn't that kind of undercut the notion that Obama is unelectable? That he doesn't have coattails? ...?"

They don't like that kind of talk on the right side of this page.


Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:24:33 AM EST

Re: Careful (2.00 / 3)

Very true, indeed.  

What a great victory.  Hopefully, everyone---Clinton and Obama supporter alike---can rejoice in the fact that the Republicans just lost a seat they'd held for 32 years, and now have under 200 members of Congress.

Let's keep that state of affairs when MS-01 has its special election on 5/13.


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:27:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 1)

Look! I live in Baton Rouge and voted today for Cazayoux, and I'm happy he won, but his victory was far from a convincing one to most voters. You can't judge how an entire nation is going to vote because of one district election. I can almost guarantee you that Louisiana will go for McCain in the Fall. There will be no coattails for Obama if he should be the Dems nominee, in fact he will have much difficulty getting the 270 electoral votes necessary to win the  White House.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:27:36 AM EST

You sorta can (2.00 / 2)

Take Ron Lewis' victory in a Kentucky special-election in May, 1994 as a harbinger later that year...and Clinton won Kentucky and the district two years earlier.

No, Obama won't win Louisiana, nor will he win this district, but neither will Clinton and you know that.

And there won't be coattails for Obama, nor will there be for Clinton and you know that.

This is about the strength of the party's message and the strength of the candidate. This election was not about Obama or Clinton, it was about Don Cazayoux and Woody Jenkins.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:38:10 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 4)

A win is a win, and be happy he won.  As for coat tails, there weren't many races that we could point to that were linked to Obama or Clinton in any way, but this win and the Foster win certainly were linked to Obama to some degree.  Given tha's about all we have to judge from, it would be hard for you to make a case that "there will be no coattails for Obama".


by haystax calhoun on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:39:44 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

You do realize that AA voters put him over the top, don't you?  Those voters will NOT be there if Hillary is the nominee...


"This was never part of our arrangement, Specter" "I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!" "This deal keeps getting worse all the time!"
by LordMike on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:12:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Don't forget that Michael Jackson was sending signals of an Independent run. I bet he turned down black turnout by about 2 points. Fortunately, that wasn't enough.

In this district, for the negative coattails effect to work, Jenkins had to win it. Unless we have other polling on the matter, the perception nationally is that the anti-Obama ads turned up Democratic turnout (despite Jackson) as much as it may have turned up GOP votes. Negative ads work when they depress the other side's base, not motivate them. And the middle of the road certainly wasn't bothered. This district has been Republican since 1974.


by elrod on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:09:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 3)

w00t!!!


The Wayward Episcopalian
by Transplanted Texan on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:36:25 AM EST

Good Lord.... (2.00 / 3)

We witnessed tonight a great victory for the Democratic party.  A victory for our ideas, our beliefs, our ideals, and our vision for this country moving forward.

Tonight's win by Cazayoux isn't a referendum on Obama, or Clinton...it's a win by a Democrat in a strong Republican district.  It's a win that signals that Democrats can truly make noise in both the House and the Senate in the upcoming election.  It's a signal that even in the reddest of districts, our ideas and our values can prevail.

And most of all, it's a tribute to the vision and the strength of Don Cazayoux.  So I ask you all, to raise your virtual glasses, and toast the next Representative from the 6th District of Louisana, Don Cazayoux.


First and Foremost: A Democrat in the White House
by mascho on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:42:17 AM EST

Hooray for something all Democrats (2.00 / 2)

can agree on!!!!!!


by Renie on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:42:55 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

If you think the Republicans are going to stop using Obama in scary ads after this slim win (where recent polls showed Cazayoux doing a lot better no matter how Republican the district is), I'd like some of what you're drinking.

Cazayoux was up 50 to 41 last week.

I think claiming vindication that the Obama ads had no impact is a wee bit naive.


by GregNYC on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:49:38 AM EST

of course they are (2.00 / 5)

of course they're going to use Wright, elitist and any other smear against Obama they can think of...they'll find the same crap to use against Clinton too...but if despite that, Democrats can still win in R+7 districts, then we're fine.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:53:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

repeat after me (2.00 / 4)

polls are not accurate representation of what happens in the election.

If they were Bill Clinton would not have been president because 7 month out in 1992 they showed him losing to Perot


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:54:12 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 3)

Lets not oversimplify the win.  I am sure he is a great candidate, and will represent the 6th with aplomb.
However, this is the second - of two - house races in which Obama was used.  In both cases, the DEM nominee, in heavily REPUB districts, won.   The empirical evidence is clear, and you can make a connection Obama HAS coattails.  
At a macro level, this - again-  heavily refutes the claim that Obama is unelectable.   This is significant and shouldnt be swept under a rug of hyperbole.
'The only people for me are the mad ones, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing ...'
by stryan on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:09:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Sorry Stryan I can't come to any of the conclusions you have based on this election- fancy words and all.


by GregNYC on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:12:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

How cant you?  Dude won an IL race in a heavily REPUB district - with Obama lock step with the candidate - and won.  
In LA, the RNC test drove their November strategy by tying the supposed liberal elite to the DEM candidate, and failed miserably.  
So no, I see with my own eyes that yes, Obama has coattails.  
Dont forget NYC, the great Bill Clinton won 36% of the white vote in 1992, and won.  
'The only people for me are the mad ones, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing ...'
by stryan on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:28:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

then don't oversimplify (none / 0)

Yes, Obama was important in Illinois.  To say there is empirical evidence for coattails in this LA race is just wrong--you're confusing your analysis with empirical evidence.  We don't even have an exit poll or demo crosstabe.  You're blowing smoke.


by Thaddeus on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:22:00 AM EST
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Will there be a similar analysis of LA-01 loss? (2.00 / 1)

Not to rain on the parade, but in the other LA state contest today, Gilda Reed (D) ran against State Senator Steve Scalise (R) for the LA-01 congressional seat and was defeated in a landslide. He beat her by a 3 to 1 margin. Latest results here:

http://www400.sos.louisiana.gov:8090/cgi bin/?rqstyp=elcms2&rqsdta=050308

The LA-01 district includes the heavily suburban area of New Orleans. If anywhere, I thought we would do better in the hub-bubs of a leading city than in the old plantation heart of Louisiana.

Any analysis to come from a local or one better informed than me? I'm a resident of California who contributed to Gilda's campaign (well, just $75.00), but I'm curious as to why she lost in such a blow-out.

Are we over-celebrating Cazayoux's win as a trend in the heart of Rethug land?


by RickWn on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:57:39 AM EST

Expected (2.00 / 2)

LA-01 is one of the reddest districts in the country. Bush got ~70% of the vote there. There are  only a handful of districts in the country more Republican than that one.


by Angry White Democrat on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:04:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Will there be a similar analysis of LA-01 loss (2.00 / 2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Partis an_Voting_Index

Cook PVI for LA-01 is R+18. There are less than 20 House districts (out of 435) in the country with a higher R PVI than that.


by Angry White Democrat on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:06:01 AM EST
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Reed did Good. (2.00 / 1)

Reed did better than any Democrat has since at least Livingston. Against Jindal, Democrats couldn't even crack 10%. The best they could do in recent memory is like 13% in 2000.

23% is a "great" result for Gilda considering.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:06:52 AM EST
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Re: Will there be a similar analysis of LA-01 loss (2.00 / 3)

Oh no honey!  Gilda didn't stand a chance!!  She ran a good campaign and did better than i thought most any democrat could, but this area is definitely NOT more friendly territory than cazayoux's district.  Jefferson parish is straight up bananas!!  It's a racial/cultural thing...if you're from orleans parish, you're a democrat (and probably black), if you're from jefferson you're republican (and probably white).


by bluedavid on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:20:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Thank you for the reply. Well, at least Gilda got 1/3 of the vote!!  :-)


by RickWn on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:07:55 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

believe it or not, her getting 1/3 of the vote is pretty great.  good for gilda.  maybe next time around, the political landscape will be so different that she has a real shot...


by bluedavid on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:32:19 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 4)

I just have to respond to some of these comments that are trying to blame obama for bringing down the margin of victory here...

In the first place, yes woody jenkins is batshit crazy, but you've got to put this in context.  He is a very well-known name in LA and a perennial politician.  And no, being associated with david duke does not necessarily cause him problems.  david duke was almost GOVERNOR of Louisiana, for chrissakes...The fact that Cazayoux was able to take him down is just monumental.

Furthermore, if anything, bringing the "specter" of obama into this race probably helped cazayoux, as the biggest risk to his election was going to be low black turnout.  Apparently, the republicans put out robocalls to black voters in the last few days trying to make cazayoux seem like a racist (this is a typical maneuver for LA repubs).  Thankfully, Cleo Fields threw his machinery behind cazayoux, which was sure to give him some credit with black voters (especially in baton rouge).  if anything, the energizing nature of the obama candidacy in the black community, and the historically high turnout rates for AA's in the primaries this year (mostly for obama) probably gave Cazayoux a hand today.  

Looking forward, the increase in black voter registration that has occurred throughout the primaries could be a huge and lasting benefit for the dem. party in the future.  If i were a superdelegate, i would be less concerned about obama's ability to win rural white voters versus hillary than about the need to keep these newly registered and other highly motivated AA voters (who support our candidates to the tune of 90%) energized for novemeber.  


by bluedavid on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:30:50 AM EST

Unfortunately, the math works against that (none / 0)

"Reagan Democrats" are swing voters.  They can vote for the Dem candidate (+1) or for the Republican (-1).  So they have an absolute value of two votes.  
New voters mobilized by Obama are (+1) voters but they won't vote Republican in  national election.  At worst, they stay home=absolute value of 1 vote.

That's why it really is more important to nominate a candidate who can take votes away from the Repoublicans to the Dems--and in the last month or two of this campaign, that candidate has appeared to be Clinton.  And it that really is the case, then she is more electable.


by Thaddeus on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:14:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That's what's called "fuzzy math" (2.00 / 2)

That theory only works because you are assuming there are equal numbers of voters in both groups. And all that is is an assumption on your part.

We're talking about two groups here - "Reagan Democrats" (Clinton advantage) and "new voters" (Obama advantage - though not all these voters are new, many are black voters who have been reliable Democratic voters for years). Now, assuming that there are the same number of voters in each group, then yes, Clinton is the better candidate. Say there are one million voters in each group - then Clinton gets two million votes more than Obama vs. McCain.

But now let's say that there are one million voters in the "Reagan Democrat" group and five million voters in the "new voters" group. In that case, Obama gets three million votes more than Clinton vs. McCain. So even though the "Reagan Democrats" may be more valuable individually, as a group, the "new voters" are much more valuable overall.

The point is that taking votes from the Republicans is not necessarily more valuable than bringing in new voters and holding on to core Democratic voters. It depends on the number of voters in each case. So unless you have concrete numbers to offer, your theory doesn't hold up. (And this isn't even getting into the fact that there are voters out there who will vote McCain over Clinton, but will vote Obama over McCain, which complicates things even further).


by Angry White Democrat on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:33:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh Crikey, be careful who you call fuzzy! (none / 0)

First, your math is just off, and in a way that makes your argument unnecessarily weak.

If there are one million voters in each group, Clinton doesn't get two million more votes than Obama vs. McCain: she gets one million more.

Regardless, I don't have to assume there is an equal number of voters in both groups.  I only have to make a very conservative estimate that there are not twice as many in the new voters group.  And only a hallucinating Obama supporter would fail to grant that premise.  

In addition, new voters are less likely to exercise their bail-out option (stay home) because they have been energized by the process whereas Reagan Democrats only have to continue what they are used to--swing voting.


by Thaddeus on Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:15:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh Crikey, be careful who you call fuzzy! (none / 0)

Regardless, I don't have to assume there is an equal number of voters in both groups.  I only have to make a very conservative estimate that there are not twice as many in the new voters group.  And only a hallucinating Obama supporter would fail to grant that premise.  

Ignoring your childish insults, I will simply again point out that it is nothing but an assumption on your part that there are not twice as many voters in the new voters group. And I think most reasonable people can agree that your unfounded assumptions are not a good thing to base important political decisions off of.

And, again, there are also Obama supporters who will vote McCain over Hillary, which further weakens your argument.


by Angry White Democrat on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:50:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Childish insults? (none / 0)

Oh my God.  There were no insults in my post--just obvious observations.

Thin-skinned is one thing--your response is ridiculous.  You got the math wrong.  It's not a mortal sin but a simple acknowledgement would be better than such childish petulance.

And it is a very solid assumption that I offer, with which most analysts would agree, and electability is a very important consideration for Novemeber.

Of course there are Obama supporters who will vote for McCain--just not many as you yourself suggest that they will more often stay home.


by Thaddeus on Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:20:31 PM EST
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Re: Childish insults? (none / 0)

Which analysts? Where? Show me a detailed analysis of the Reagan Democrat vs. new voter question from a neutral source and I'll be willing to take your argument more seriously.


by Angry White Democrat on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:37:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Childish insults? (none / 0)

John Judis, for one.  I don't have the source but you could find it.  Probably by googling Judis and Obama's new coalition.

But it's really more obvious than that.  Consider the elections that brought Reagan to office.  Consider the number of white voters who have voted for both Democratic and Republican candidates for president in the past twenty years.  It's a very large number, certainly as many as new voters energized by a particular campaign (I'm not referring to new voters who became 18 in the past four years and would have registered and voted regardless of particular campaigns.)


by Thaddeus on Tue May 06, 2008 at 11:19:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

If the anti-Obama ads were going to work, it was going to be during this election.  Obama was very vulnerable with the latest Wright flare-up and non-stop MSM narrative about how Obama's candidacy has been damaged by the association.  

If the ads didn't work now, they are less likely to work once the democratic party gets unified behind Obama and start focusing their scrutiny on McCain/Bush and the repubs.  


by ProfessorReo on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:01:01 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (1.00 / 0)

Keep telling yourself that...


by GregNYC on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:14:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Until there's proof otherwise (2.00 / 1)

I'm sure he will.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:19:44 AM EST
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Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Lame comment.  Man up and challenge him or ignore the post.  The fact is, the evidence is to the contrary that Obama is weak and has been rendered unelectable by Wright and all the other manufactured controversies that get so much play here.  

If Obama were truly vulnerable than other Democratic candidates would be fleeing from his "coattails".  
Two Democrats in potentially difficult districts, Representatives Baron Hill of Indiana and Ben Chandler of Kentucky, endorsed Mr. Obama this week despite these perceived vulnerabilities.


by haystax calhoun on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:38:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's coattails? (none / 0)

Huh?  Republicans TRIED to tie him to Obama and Pelosi--whatever.  This isn't a case of Obama's coattails or Clinton's or anyone else's.  Woody Jenkins is an awful person--the Republicans didn't avoid nominating an unelectable clown with terrible past associations.

If thre's any lesson to be drawn for national politics-and I don't really think there is--it might be that a party can't afford to nominate an unelectable candidate.

Sometimes the Obama folks really str-e-e-e-tch to sell their guy.  


by Thaddeus on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:10:23 AM EST

Obama's coattails are worth more than 3,000 votes (none / 0)

I get the sense that Hillary's coattails would work in fewer places than Obama's would.


It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama
by Lefty Coaster on Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:37:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama's coattails? (none / 0)

And the unelectability argument against Obama has been dashed against the rocks time and again.  
The fact is, many considered this contest a referendum on whether the GOP will try to make Obama a drag on other races.  

NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/02/us/pol itics/02web-hulse.html?ex=1367467200& ;en=ba6cf6b47fcdc17a&ei=5124&par tner=permalink&exprod=permalink

This particular race, in a district that favors conservatives, is as good a measure as we have since it is a possible preview of the tactics Republicans would employ in a general election campaign if Mr. Obama were the Democratic nominee.


by haystax calhoun on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:29:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A good diary that went off the rails... (2.00 / 2)

It was a fine diary right up until the "And just to add one more thing..." stuff kicked in.

Please, look up the definition of non sequitur. There is no support here for your "Of Obama has positive coattails" lines. It simply does not follow.

You ruined a fine report. Try again.


by Romberry on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:14:13 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

A lot tighter than the pre-election polls suggested.  What happened?


by DaveOinSF on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:20:08 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

it was within the margin of error or Republicans might have turned out better then expected.


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by alex100 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:06:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Does everything have to be about... (none / 0)

... the presidential primary?

Come on.


by OrangeFur on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:29:30 AM EST

Re: Does everything have to be about... (none / 0)

Well, the media has made it the issue, and the diarist's comments are related to that phenomenon, so to answer your question, yes, at least within the context of this diary.


by haystax calhoun on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:19:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Cazayoux won on his own (none / 0)

In an article in wapo, it was clearly mentioned that Cazayoux souht to distance himself from GOP attack ad's linking him to Obama's extreme left views by claiming that hewas more conservative:

Below is a passage from the article:

His parents appeared in a commercial touting their son's opposition to abortion and support for gun owners' rights, positions that put him at odds with most members of the Democratic caucus.

"They're not running against me as a person; they're just saying I'm going to be at the extreme left on the issues, and that's just not correct," Cazayoux said. "People are looking for solutions -- I'm not sure if they're looking for Democrats or Republicans."

He even left open the possibility of voting for someone other than Pelosi, who has abysmal approval ratings here, for House speaker next January.


by Jenna on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:13:43 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

I congratulate him on his win, but it cannot be attributed to Obama's .coattails. In the last few days he distanced himself from Obama by saying that Obama had not endorsed him and also that this was a local race among other things.


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sun May 04, 2008 at 06:24:42 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (2.00 / 2)

Take a look at redstate.  Sad times over there.  Seems they're comforting themselves by agreeing that we were supposed to win in a blowout, and the fact that we took a seat that Bush won by 18 points in a relatively narrow margin means that we underperformed...

I look forward to our candidates "underperforming" in November when we rack up 40 House seats and 6 Senate seats.


by Skaje on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:12:18 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

"Coattails" is not the right word, since Obama's name wasn't on the ballot.  But this is definitely a positive data point in that respect, as well as a great win.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:03:11 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Frankly, one more Blue Dog Dem in the caucus is not a "win" for Progressives. I'd rather have a Republican outside pissing in than a BD doing the same from the inside. We have enough for a working majority without adding another BD to support things like, say, FISA.


"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Denis Diderot
by Stoic on Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:33:30 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

A good win. At least this morning, one that we all as democrats can savor.


by tysonpublic on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:51:26 AM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

A win is a win is a win.

Any Democrat is preferable to any Republican.

The most important vote you cast every session is the first one, who is going to be Speaker and organize the House.


by TheBlueWarriors on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:41:30 PM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

Oh good lord -- either tying Casayoux to Obama didn't work or Obama has coattails. It can't be both.

It's annoying to see Obama vs. Clinton posturing while celebrating the first of what should be many big Democratic wins this year. Let it go for one night.


by xopherma on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:54:42 PM EST

Obama's Coattails (none / 0)

Sure, Mr. Singer, Obama is totally electable.

The Republicans will not tie Rev. Wright to him, nor William Ayers and the family that he bombed, nor his wife's brilliant remarks about being proud of her country for the first time now. They will not try to portray Obama as unpatriotic compared to a Viet Nam war veteran who was tortured for five years in a concentration camp.

No, Obama will win over everyone and we will all ride off together on a big rainbow unity pony.

Mr. Singer, your denial is going to cost the Democrats this election. What were you doing in 1988 when Dukakis was destroyed by the Republicans---were you in pre-school or something? Watching The Flinstones perhaps? Well I was there. And it was pretty effing ugly.  

Talk about naive. It's jaw-dropping the casual way that you simply close your eyes and hope for the best, so sure in your knowledge that THIS TIME it's going to be different: OBAMA will change everything and the whole world will have a Coke together and see the light.


by cc on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:23:50 PM EST

Re: Initial Thoughts on Cazayoux's Huge Win (none / 0)

God, Obama is soooooo right for the country, right NOW!!!  As he says, it is our moment!


by Hope Monger 2008 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:49:58 PM EST


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