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Guam Recount "Imminent"

by Todd Beeton, Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:36:19 PM EST

Figured was time for a new Guam thread...- Todd

Looks like a recount, at least of those spoiled ballots in Dededo, will take place automatically, perhaps as soon as next week per The Pacific News Center:

The Democrat Party Nominating Committee said officials will look over the large amount of "spoiled ballots" in the coming days.

At issue is the small margin of victory of Senator Barack Obama. He beat his rival, Senator Hillary Clinton by 7 votes, but well over 500 ballots were deemed invalid during the tabulation process.

Herbie Perez, chairman of the nominating committee, said she will not certify the results because the Committee needs to ensure that all the uncounted ballots were properly identified as "spoiled."

She said officials from the Party and representatives from both candidates will meet probably Monday or Tuesday to address that issue.

Tags: 2008 presidential election, democratic nomination, guam caucuses (all tags)

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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (none / 0)

Why do they call it the "Democrat Party?"

by elrod on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:39:48 PM EST

Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (none / 0)

What is the Pacific News Center anyway? Is it Guam's only news network?

Jim Webb - Born Fighting

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:42:03 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (none / 0)

Because Obama and the corporatist press have won the 'framing wars' while the The Committee of Three fiddled and watched Rome burn.

by Pericles on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:43:44 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 1)

what the hell does the use of the word "Democrat" over "Democratic" have to do with Obama? Have you lost your mind?

It's all about McCain/Bush now...

by thereisnospoon on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:50:01 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (none / 0)

Be still my heart...the gotdamned suspense is just killing me...

Have the mobs at CheetoLand formed up to march, march, march on the Bastille yet.

Oh...

That's right Obama didn't think much of all that marchin' and protestin' back there by us DFHs....

Does he?

by Pericles on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:41:16 PM EST

Recount is just fine, (none / 0)

but all this talk based on Obama campaign's leaked spreadsheet is getting ridiculous. Who knows who made that spreadsheet? It could've been some intern shuffling numbers around on a spreadsheet.

Making a big fuss of expectations based on something like that is good fun/spin, but making serious assertions based on it doesn't make for good reporting or journalism.

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers

by NeuvoLiberal on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:44:41 PM EST

Re: Recount is just fine, (2.00 / 2)

correct. Unless somebody somewhere had some kind of polling out of Guam that showed Obama widely expected to win, all we have is demographic projections (not really reliable in a race like this), and the gut feelings of volunteers.

It appears that elderly voters (her demographic) may have come out in full force for clinton in unexpected numbers. Good for her, but that's a GOTV issue that has no bearing on momentum either way.

It's all about McCain/Bush now...

by thereisnospoon on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:48:35 PM EST
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Forget it , Jake. It's Chinatown. (2.00 / 1)

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:08:26 PM EST
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Re: Recount is just fine, (1.00 / 1)

New liberal, I have to correct you on your tagline.

It's simply incorrect.

w/ FL and caucus estimates, it is Obama +317,000 (1%)

w/ FL, caucus estimates, and MI, it is Clinton +11,000 (0.03%)

If you are going to make a tagline, at least try to have it correct? ok?

by reggie44pride on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:20:42 PM EST
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reggie, (none / 0)

I appreciate your thoughts about it, but here is how one can arrive at the numbers in my sigline (which links to my diary which is longer than the excerpt below):

Can Clinton Win the Popular Vote?
by BooMan23
Wed Apr 23, 2008

But, then, the popular vote isn't a fair measure in any case. If it were, Obama would have spent all his time in cities (where the votes are) rather than campaigning in Alaska and Idaho. RCP has the announced popular vote from every state that has provided those numbers. Obama leads by this measure by 500,000 votes. RCP also estimates that Obama won the combined contests in Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and Washington by about 110,000 votes. So, excluding Michigan and Florida, Obama has a popular vote lead of 610,000 votes.

It's not really fair to assume that Obama would have only received 35% of the vote in Florida if he had been permitted to campaign there, but for simplicity we'll give Clinton her full measure of votes from the Sunshine State. That leaves her with a deficit of 316,000 popular votes. What can we do about Michigan?

Clinton received 55% of the vote in Michigan and 'uncommitted' received 40%. But according to the exit polls, the people, if given the option, would have voted:

Clinton 46%
Obama 35%
Edwards 12%

There's no perfect solution for counting the popular vote in Michigan, but the exit polls give us something to work with. With 594,000 votes cast, the exit polls project:

Clinton 273,146
Obama 207,900
Edwards 71,280

This gives Clinton another 65,000 votes. So, based on the best available evidence and a fair determination of the rules, Obama currently has a 251,000 lead in the popular vote.

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers

by NeuvoLiberal on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:26:50 PM EST
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Re: reggie, (none / 0)

You should try realclearpolitics.com

They have a good site to give you a better insight into the numbers.

by reggie44pride on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:03:29 AM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 2)

regardless, it only matters for one superdelegate more or less.

The important battle was the superdelegate battle, which was either +1Obama/+1Undecided, or +2 Clinton.

The +1Obama/+1Undecided ticket won.

The Undecided said they'll support the popular vote winner. So the only thing that Clinton may gain by a recount victory (if it were to take place), would be the flipping of one superdelegate, and possible bragging rights of saying she's one more contest than she would have otherwise.

Point is, once again Obama comes out of this even or better, with yet another contest behind us.

Clinton needed not a victory in the popular vote, but a victory for her supers. It didn't happen. She falls behind--again.

It's all about McCain/Bush now...

by thereisnospoon on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:46:03 PM EST

Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 1)

Excellent points!

by Bobby Obama on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:49:43 PM EST
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A recount isn't going to make much difference (2.00 / 2)

Both Hillary and Obama have split the delegate counts on this won.

The good news for Obama is that he got the headline in the Sunday papers that he won Guam by 7 votes. Then if there is indeed a recount, the winner of that recount will not get much headlines for we are onto Tuesday primaries of Indiana and North Carolina.

by puma on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:47:22 PM EST

Re: A recount isn't going to make much difference (none / 0)

with a 7 vote win a recount was something I expected.

by zerosumgame on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:54:44 PM EST
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Re: A recount isn't going to make much difference (none / 0)

I'll be shocked if there are any headlines coming out of this race! Only the hard core politicos, like us, are even aware of it. Even if one candidate had won 80%+ of the vote, it would have zero impact on NC and IN.

by soccerandpolitics on Sun May 04, 2008 at 08:52:27 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (1.00 / 1)

500 "spoiled" ballots in a caucus? Over 10%? More Obama dirty tricks?

by souvarine on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:48:52 PM EST

Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 1)

"more"? Please.

This wasn't a real caucus. It was a secret ballot open for most of the day. It's called a caucus because it isn't an official primary.

But it might as well have been. Caucuses have favored Obama because his voters are committed, energetic, high-information activists willing to come out and spend long hours in unpleasant conditions, which is what caucuses are.

This was a simple show up and vote, so no "caucus" advantage for Obama's committed supporters.

It's all about McCain/Bush now...

by thereisnospoon on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:53:44 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (1.50 / 2)

Given a population of nearly 180,000 and only 5,000 votes cast it looks an awful lot like a caucus. Obama is renowned for his hardball tactics in activist events like this, he launched his political career by contesting the signatures of every primary opponent he had, knocking them all off the ballot. Given his history and behavior in caucuses in this primary (TX, anyone?) it is reasonable to ask if his Guam campaign got too trigger happy with their ballot challenges.

by souvarine on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:03:58 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 2)

There were voting sites.

People showed up and dropped ballots into boxes.

That's not how caucuses work.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:05:45 PM EST
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What brand of Kool-aid are you drinking (2.00 / 2)

"renowned for his hardball tactics in activist events like this"

Sounds like a..ahem, ahem...whats the word, oh yeah, soulds like a fighter!

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:06:10 PM EST
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Re: What brand of Kool-aid are you drinking (2.00 / 2)

Yes, in my opinion Obama is our best political street fighter. That is why I think Hillary Clinton is at best evenly matched, if not outclassed, in the fight for superdelegates.

I think Hillary Clinton would be a much better president, but I have always conceded that Obama (Gibbs) has the better oppo/dirty tricks team.

by souvarine on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:11:35 PM EST
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Well, that's even (2.00 / 1)

I appreciate the recognition, considering Hillary's campaign choose to feature her ability to fight to the finish, to fight using any available method.

She's also run a bad campaign. Ignoring caucus states, putting all of her resources on SuperTuesday. She's made errors you would expect from someone who's been through two national campaigns. It many ways, she fumbled the ball, time after time.

As a president, hillary is very smart.

At the same time, voting for the war made it impossible for so many people. If she repudiated her vote, the way Edwards did, she would have cruised to victory.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:31:49 PM EST
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Re: What brand of Kool-aid are you drinking (2.00 / 1)

This is very interesting, do you have sources for Obama's history of dirty tricks?

by clad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:33:36 PM EST
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Re: What brand of Kool-aid are you drinking (2.00 / 1)

Just links to the rec list. All the innuendo you can swallow, but a serious lack of...eh...what's that sit called? Proof?

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:59:10 PM EST
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You smell that? You smell that? (1.50 / 4)

smell like the Clintonistas are desperate.

these people will recommend the flimsiest and most vile crap, as long as it pro hillary.

No standards at all.

They're two steps away from being freepers.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:05:00 PM EST
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Re: You smell that? You smell that? (2.00 / 1)

Beg to differ. A number are two steps BEYOND. :)

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:10:56 PM EST
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Lets try to stay positive (2.00 / 1)

There is more than enough mud slinging going around inside the Dem party... nothing is helped by adding to it with that sort of non-specific accusation. Yes, we've all seen some rediculous crap make it to the rec list. The best way to respond is to politely refute it with facts. Yes, some people get carried away supporting their candidate, but you risk looking like the counter-example if you give in to your urge to ridicule those people, especially if you paint with too broad a brush when doing it.

Remember, we all need to be on the same team come November.

by protothad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:13:12 PM EST
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Re: You smell that? You smell that? (none / 0)

As a person without an especially strong liking for either candidate, I find your posts most offensive and unnecessary.

They read like they are from a 10 year old cheerleader.

by reggie44pride on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:23:05 PM EST
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Hmm, you're not ready carefully. (none / 0)

two days ago, someone said "the sight of obama makes me want to puke" without any provocation.

I especially liked, the 10 year old cheerleading line, "obama lost and is sinking because he didn't win by 10 pts" line, that was repeated numerous times, and in various ways.

yesterday, someone posted that an unfounded gay smear will finish Obama off by the end of june.

but, yeah, I'm a big, bad meanie (not).

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:04:21 AM EST
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Re: Hmm, you're not ready carefully. (none / 0)

You just seem to be an immature intellectual reprobate.

It's ok.

This site has them from Clinton and Obama fanatics.

by reggie44pride on Sun May 04, 2008 at 04:41:06 AM EST
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That was my first thought also (2.00 / 1)

One one hand, Obama is supposedly not tough enough to stand up against the Republican campaign machine, on the other hand he is supposedly a hard-ass take-no-prisoners Chicago politician. Which is it?

by protothad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:51:25 PM EST
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Re: That was my first thought also (none / 0)

Obama is a hard-ass take-no-prisoners Chicago politician trying to win the Democratic nomination and the presidency with a character campaign. As I have explained here before when presidential elections turn on character Democrats lose. Character campaigns are inherently divisive (hence the negative aspect of the term "ad hominem"), we need unity to win. Republicans win when they can divide the American electorate.

If Obama wins the nomination and re-builds his general election campaign around issues then he has a chance. Otherwise he will probably be destroyed by the Republican machine. The skill he has shown in small-state caucuses, the source of his lead in pledged delegates if you ignore FL and MI, does not transfer to a general election campaign.

by souvarine on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:13:52 PM EST
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Re: That was my first thought also (2.00 / 1)

Funny you say that when most people see Obama as more inspiring and Clinton as the candidate who has used negative and unfair attacks.

We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.

by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:32:36 PM EST
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In regards to the GE (2.00 / 1)

It looks to me like Obama has a message and platform that will resonate quite well in the general election. I've encountered quite a few former Republicans who have crossed over and our now supporting Obama, and I'm not just talking about 'dem for a day' voters. There are quite a few who are disgusted with the Iraq war, the economy... all the same stuff we are. I'm sure Clinton has her share of those to. The point is, both candidates are offering a clearly superior option vs McCain. The Republican machine can try to sell their usual politics of fear and personal smear, and they will try whoever our candidate is... but I don't see anyone but their core base buying it anymore. Give us a few months of a unified Dem party wailing on McCain and we will bury him.

by protothad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:34:49 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 1)

ignorance speaks again. Try looking up how the Guam "caucus" actually works. It's nothing remotely like an Iowa/Nevada/Texas etc. caucus.

It's all about McCain/Bush now...

by thereisnospoon on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:13:55 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 2)

It was a secret ballot, how in the world could there have been dirty tricks?

How dare you accuse someone of that with no proof.

by Bobby Obama on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:50:23 PM EST

Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 4)

they don't need proof, remember? Unless it's Nevada. Then no number of eyewitnesses, recorded on-the-record interviews, and editors of national progressive magazines will do.

It's all about McCain/Bush now...

by thereisnospoon on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:55:53 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (none / 0)

well, I'm all for getting the vote correct. so let the recount begin.

regarding supers, since PA:
Obama 16, Clinton 13.

by alex100 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:50:35 PM EST

Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 2)

drip drip drip. Another contest down, another door shuts behind Clinton.

And she falls behind again, this time by one, possibly two superdelegates.

It's all about McCain/Bush now...

by thereisnospoon on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:54:59 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 3)

This is parody come to life. A tiny island. Not a state. 7 vote lead. Bad ballots. I can't believe this is happening, but this primary does need some comic relief. Where is Peter Sellers when you need him? Or Gilbert and Sullivan?

by mady on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:51:08 PM EST

The media will LOVE this story (2.00 / 2)

This and Big Brown winning the Kentucky Derby and Eight Belle coming in second breaking her ankles resulting in her having to be euthanized will be the 2 big stories tomorrow.

by puma on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:53:35 PM EST
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Derby (2.00 / 1)

That's really really horrible and sad.

by mady on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:59:05 PM EST
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Re: The media will LOVE this story (none / 0)

With half of the almost 9000 additional ballots that were printed being missing, and 500 "spoiled" ballots to be reviewed by election officials, and a recount on track, and no election official willing to declare a winner, you really think the "big" story is going to be "Obama Wins Guam"?

I think the idea of turning an election in a place that doesn't contribute any votes to the Electoral College results into a massive, hysterical story about skullduggery and flying accusations between the candidate's camps is more likely.

The Fat Man Sings

by Jeter on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:05:08 PM EST
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it's almost as big as Snipergate (2.00 / 1)

SPEAK UP. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. MY EARS ARE STILL RINGING FROM HILLARY'S SNIPER FIRE.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:24:26 PM EST
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This is a HUGE victory for Hillary (1.50 / 4)

Guam has given her the Nomination.

Happy Days are here again.

Hill wins Indiana by 18 pts.

Hill wins N Carolina by 11 pts.

mark my words

Hillary can start picking out her furniture for the oval office.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:01:47 PM EST

Furniture? (1.25 / 4)

They haven't even returned the stuff that they stole from the first go round.

by sweet potato pie on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:23:10 PM EST
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LOL! (none / 0)

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:37:33 PM EST
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Re: Furniture? (2.00 / 1)

Sounds like Republicans on this blog? (I know that Democrats have never used that story line.)

by christinep on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:38:06 PM EST
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Wingnuts in Dem Clothing? (none / 0)

Actually, I wouldn't put it past some of the rightwingers to sign up on Dem blogs and pretend to be Obama or Clinton supporters just to stir up division in the party. Thankfully, I think they would tend to give themselves away rather quickly when they do that, as most wingnuts I've talked to have pretty weird ideas about what a 'librul' really is and would likely do a poor job imitating one.

by protothad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:00:10 PM EST
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Re: Furniture? (none / 0)

Amen, christinep - why are those lies being repeated? Good catch. I wonder what their take is on Social Security?

by durendal on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:24:13 AM EST
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Re: This is a HUGE victory for Hillary (2.00 / 6)

Indeed, this is the TURNING point for HRC. Finally! Cuz, you know, BO was expected to win by, like, 22 votes and not a measly 7.

WHY CAN'T HE SEAL THE DEAL? He outspent HRC in Guam by at least $250.

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:49:36 PM EST
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Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 1)

Thank God for Herbie Perez, wherever she may be.

I thought Guam was a sure thing for Obama? He's campaigned with local media buys and I think he even set up the first-ever campaign headquarters there in April.

This is bad news for Obama, a tainted win.

by dembluestates on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:04:28 PM EST

Why can't Hillary can't close the deal?? (2.00 / 2)

The most famous politician in the world and she can't even win a small contest like Guam.

Hillary's campaign has been nothing short of sorry.

"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!

by Al Rodgers on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:22:24 PM EST
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Obama is building the modern Democratic party (2.00 / 3)

by implementing his 50-state strategy as in: "I think he even set up the first-ever campaign headquarters there in April."

you will thank him for it not too long from now.

Obama's Pop. Vote LEAD = 600K | Clinton & McCain = WAR Authorizers

by NeuvoLiberal on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:52:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama is building the modern Democratic party (none / 0)

Yeah, and it produced a tainted win. I don't want a 50-state strategy that can't win without 500 spoiled ballots.

by dembluestates on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:41:56 AM EST
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7 votes ... (none / 0)

intense!

Rise, Hillary, Rise

by sepulvedaj3 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:06:10 PM EST

This is so "who cares?" (2.00 / 2)

Clinton gained nothing and Obama is two delegates closer. That's all there is to it.

Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129

by Kobi on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:27:01 PM EST

actually, (2.00 / 1)

With the two SDs, make that 4 delegates closer.

Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129

by Kobi on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:28:37 PM EST
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Re: actually, (none / 0)

But if they split the pledged delegates, then Obama's net gain is only 2--4 (inc. SDs) for him, 2 for her.

by CrazyDrumGuy on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:41:11 PM EST
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Re: actually, (2.00 / 1)

At this point, for Hillary to not gain (a whole lot) is to lose, for all practical purpose.

Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129

by Kobi on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:57:59 PM EST
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Re: actually, (2.00 / 1)

I forgot to add that Obama's magic number is all that really matters; and it keeps decreasing more than Hillary's daily.

When it gets to 0 Hillary is officially, and not just realistically, done for.

Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129

by Kobi on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:01:37 AM EST
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Re: actually, (none / 0)

Well, no, actually. Clinton isn't done for until the votes are cast at the convention--except if she quits.

You don't seem to understand the nature of 'pledged delegates' and the supers. Pledged delegates are not necessarily bound to their candidate after the first round of convention voting. The supers, regardless of whom they've publicly declared for, can vote for anybody. They can change their minds.

Given the slate of primaries left, probably neither candidate will reach the magic number (which will increase by a couple of hundred when arrangements are made for the FL and MI delegations per the challenge process laid out in the DNC rules).

One of Obama's potential problems will be the situation laid out on MyDD on Friday regarding the Texas and other caucus irregularities (I'm being polite). Already some of the results reported at the time have been changed in closed door meetings. This will likely go to the DNC at some point, and may or may not gain the notice of the national press. Also, there's no way of knowing just how this will or won't effect the delegate counts, but Obama's total--fattened by the caucus states--may not be what we currently think it is once the process is completed.

In short, don't count your chickens before they're hatched. There are some wrinkles from this ridiculous nominating process that still need to be ironed out before anyone is crowned.

by dark1p on Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:24:25 AM EST
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Re: actually, (none / 0)

"Well, no, actually. Clinton isn't done for until the votes are cast at the convention--except if she quits."

I was talking about the real world, not the pretend one Hillary and the networks are selling.

Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129

by Kobi on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:03:15 PM EST
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Re: actually, (none / 0)

Yeah. Don't make me laugh.

In the "REAL" world Obamabots are trying to sell, Hillary NEVER wins. Even when she does.

by dembluestates on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:43:18 AM EST
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Re: actually, (none / 0)

Nobody has trouble acknowledging her recent wins. But "Hilladroids" are math challenged when it comes to realizing they haven't been big enough to alter the outcome.

When Hillary lost 11 primaries in a row it was over. The superdelegates know it and that's why they've gone overwhelmingly for Obama since Feb. They know political reality when they see it.

Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129

by Kobi on Mon May 05, 2008 at 12:06:32 PM EST
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searching, but could not find (none / 0)

the meaning of "spoiled" ballots? The only suggestion I see is that ballots were not counted (no. of printed/used), and some "missing" ballots....anyone know more details?

From the description of the caucus there, it sounded very exciting for the islanders! I am glad that so many have had a chance to participate!

by 4justice on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:33:15 PM EST

Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (2.00 / 2)

There are probably more than 5000 people here spouting off about less than 5000 voters there. Think about it.

"I'll bite your legs off!" -- HRC 2008!

by username3 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 01:05:03 AM EST

Re: Guam Recount "Imminent" (none / 0)

It's the weekend, what else are political junkies and candidate fanatics going to do?

Maybe we're just warming up for Tuesday.

by dark1p on Sun May 04, 2008 at 10:26:01 AM EST
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