The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday

There are a few reasons going on offense on the gas tax holiday makes political sense for Hillary Clinton. First are the fundamentals of the anxiety people are feeling about rising gas prices.

On CNN a few minutes ago, an extraordinary anecdote from an Indiana voter:

My wife for instance is a nurse, she quit her job because it's cheaper to stay at home with the kids than to pay for daycare and gas.

And this from CNN's recent poll:

A national CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Friday found that 49% of respondents think the economy is now the most important factor in deciding how they will vote in the upcoming presidential election. That's up from 44% in February and 29% in December.

And what about the economy is the biggest concern? Rising prices, specifically, rising energy costs.

Inflation worries grow: Nearly half - 47% - of respondents said the most worrisome economic problem is inflation, more than doubling the number who said the housing crisis was the top concern. Only 19% said the housing was their biggest economic concern, and 13% said it was unemployment that worried them the most.

"It's not surprising consumers are expressing concern, because energy prices have risen quite a bit," said Wachovia economist Mark Vitner. "Just look at how much consumers are spending on necessities." [...] And when it comes to rising prices, soaring energy prices worried Americans the most, with 68% saying it was their top concern. Twenty-three percent said the escalation in food costs was their biggest worry.

So at a basic level, Clinton is on strong political ground using this as a wedge issue but the political play wouldn't have been complete without a little help from Obama himself: he needed to oppose it and he does. Now, putting aside for a moment the actual merits of the gas tax holiday concept and looking just at the politics of it, look at both candidates' rhetoric from the stump today (as seen on CNN) and you tell me who's winning this politically.

Barack Obama:

Some of you might have seen Senator Clinton is spending a lot of money on a television ad that attacks me for not supporting her and John McCain's idea for a gas tax holiday for the summer...Now, keep in mind, this is an idea that will save you altogether half a tank of gas. 30 cents a day for 3 months. That's if the oil companies don't simply jack up their price to fill the gap as they've done when this was tried before. Does anyone here really trust the oil companies to give you the savings when they can just pocket the money themselves. There's not an expert out there who believes that this is going to work. There's not an editorial out there that has said this is actually the answer to high gas prices. In fact, my understanding is today Senator Clinton had to send out a surrogate to speak on behalf of this plan. And all she could find was, get this, a lobbyist for Shell Oil to explain how this was going to be good for consumers. It's a Shall game, literally.

Hillary Clinton:

You've probably heard the debate about the gas tax because my opponent is running ads and holding press conferences attacking my plan to give you a break this summer. It's important to me to come up with solutions, and in a campaign sometimes that's hard because of the back and forth in the campaign. But it is important too for you what it is I propose and what I would do. There is no contradiction between trying to provide immediate relief and having a longterm vision and a plan for what we must do to lessen our dependence on foreign oil and to be moving toward more homegrown fuels. So here's what I propose: I want the oil companies to pay the federal gas tax this summer.

Both candidates are casting oil companies as the real villain but Hillary Clinton wins on points in this regard by framing her proposal as the oil companies paying the tax instead of consumers. But Obama wins points by conflating Hillary Clinton's and John McCain's plans, lumping Clinton and McCain together and himself as their opponent. But ultimately, Clinton comes out ahead because this issue both gives her the opportunity to present herself as the fighter and the candidate of solutions that she's been campaigning as for months and simultaneously forces Obama to go on defense and to be the anti-solutions candidate, the candidate who is on the attack, which is the exact opposite of the brand Obama has created for himself. In other words, she's driving the debate and strengthening her own brand while weakening his.



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Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (2.00 / 1)

Looks to me like she's pretty obviously pandering while Obama sticks to principle.

Wonderful little Rorschach test you've discovered here, Todd.


by Frood on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:25:39 PM EST

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Exactly, I think this issue plays right into Obama's message, which is that Washington is more content to sit around and argue about meaningless issues and to play politics than to actually do anything.

In the end, it all comes down to whether the average voter understands just how bad of a plan this is.


by KevinT on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:33:19 PM EST
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True. (none / 0)


If you consider "Do Nothing" a principle.

Some people try to solve problems.  Some people stand on the sidelines and criticize the problem solvers.

What's wrong with a windfall oil profits tax?   It may not be a perfect or ultimate solution but at least Hillary is trying something.


by lyzurgyk on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:26:39 PM EST
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Re: True. (none / 0)

The first rule of any important discipline is "Do no harm."  I'd say governing is pretty important, wouldn't you?  Action isn't always better than inaction.  See Iraq, for instance.

Additionally, Obama has a pretty solid plan on the issue of energy.  You should read up on it.


John McCain isn't evil. He's just wrong about a lot of things. Vote Obama!
by proseandpromise on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:12:29 PM EST
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Re: True. (none / 0)


Explain the harm of a windfall oil profits tax?

What's Obama got planned to help people that are getting crushed at the gas pumps right now?

Doing nothing in this case is harming a lot of people.  

He's all talk as far as I can see.   Didn't he vote for the Cheney energy plan?


by lyzurgyk on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:33:41 PM EST
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Re: True. (none / 0)

He has a windfall profit tax, however he is going to take this from the oil companies and give all working families a $1000 PA rebate.

He learned by the Illinois failure that this sort of tax holiday does not work. He voted for it and learned from the experience.

Clinton on the other hand never learns from experience. Hence voting for the war, then giving Bust the go ahead to attack Iran.

Both stupid votes no learning from the first error.


by telfish on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:50:22 PM EST
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Re: True. (none / 0)

"He voted for it and learned from the experience."

And that is how we become wise, we learn from our mistakes.  


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:32:17 AM EST
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You know... (none / 0)

...Obama is actually in favor of a windfall profits tax on all oil over a certain price per barrel. (was it 80 dollars?  I forget the exact number), and using that money to give tax breaks to lower/middle income families and in programs designed to assist struggling families with their energy bills.

He's just not for the "tax holiday" that clinton is.  


by DawnG on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:04:40 PM EST
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Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (none / 0)

The only problem is that he voted trice for gas tax holidays in IL when gas was $2.00 per gallon. Ouch!


"The Bumble Bee flies because it thinks it can."
by LadyEagle on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:10:13 PM EST
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Yes, despite the fact that it actually won't work, the gas tax issue is politically expedient.  I believe the definition is pandering.


by shalca on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:25:44 PM EST

you use "pandering" to voters (none / 0)

like it's a bad thing in an election year. hmm.


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:12:28 AM EST
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Exactly! (none / 0)

Obama's brand is based on change, and he's standing in the way of the gas tax plan (both HRC's and McCains), which would bring about real change.  Yeah, 30 cents a day....whoop-dee-doo.

This all plays into Obama's message.  Old politics, gimmicks, cheap tricks, represented by HRC and company, meaningful change represented by Obama.


by clad on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:26:08 PM EST

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Hi Todd,

This is ironic because, while you were writing a piece focusing on the political aspects of this, I wrote one focusing on the non-political aspects - using some primary data from DoE.

Clickie

I agree with your assessment.  I think both candidates take good jabs but she ultimately comes out on top because her jabs are more consistent with her image.  Obama is starting to lack definition - and, post-Wright - this is precisely the worst time to suffer that problem.


by bobbank on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:26:32 PM EST

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You're right, she's playing politics.  

The economic experts are at a consensus that a gas tax holiday is a bad idea.

We've already had 8 years of a president who doesn't listen to the experts.  

Shame on Hillary for playing petty politics.  But, this has been the tenor of her campaign. She should know better.


by bradical on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:27:07 PM EST

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"Barack Obama:

Some of you might have seen Senator Clinton is spending a lot of money on a television ad that attacks me for not supporting her and John McCain's idea for a gas tax holiday for the summer...Now, keep in mind, this is an idea that will save you altogether half a tank of gas. 30 cents a day for 3 months. That's if the oil companies don't simply jack up their price to fill the gap as they've done when this was tried before.

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In fact, my understanding is today Senator Clinton had to send out a surrogate to speak on behalf of this plan. And all she could find was, get this, a lobbyist for Shell Oil to explain how this was going to be good for consumers. It's a Shall game, literally."

Keep in mind that these quotes come only days after Barack Obama admitted his campaign had gone negative and after he promised to stop the negativity.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:29:52 PM EST

Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (2.00 / 2)

Criticizing your opponent's policy proposals counts as negative campaigning now?


by Frood on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:33:13 PM EST
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Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (2.00 / 2)

I kind of wish Clinton would spend more time criticizing Obama's policy proposals and less time calling him "elitist" and "unelectable".


by DawnG on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:10:55 PM EST
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Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (1.50 / 2)

There is nothing negative about standing up for principle and not pandering.  

He disagrees with her 'tax holiday' (as do the vast majority economic experts). He is pointing out that the plan is wrong.  And pointing out that Clinton is pandering.

There is nothing negative about that.

Sometimes the truth hurts.  


by bradical on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:33:24 PM EST
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Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (none / 0)

Pointing out the problems with the policy isn't what I was talking about.  

If you don't see the negativity in his approach already, when it is so starkly evident, nothing can make you see it.  

One hint though: "telling the truth" is no excuse for being negative.  I'm sure we can all think of a thousand "truths" that are unequivocally negative.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:36:45 PM EST
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She is on a roll. (none / 0)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080503/ap_o n_el_pr/obama_working_class_whites;_ylt= AtZBiyX_PwDkqBek_XcwYjsDW7oF


by gotalife on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:30:48 PM EST

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The reason HRC is pushing this issue is simple: she will lose if the status quo remains the same.  So she is just rolling the dice that this could be a good issue for her that allows her to differentiate herself from Obama.  They say they have internal polling that shows this to be a strong issue for her, but I don't think anybody really knows.  She just needs to gamble, so that's what she's doing.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:33:29 PM EST

Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (none / 0)

If Obama came out for the gas tax this site would go nuts.
Obama would be accused of pandering, giving in to the other side, helping Republicans frame this issue, and he'd be declared a hypocrite for going against his new politics.

This is ridiculous, we should all be up in arms that Clinton crossed over on this issue because its the easiest thing to do politically.

When Obama takes a principled stand and Clinton panders, Clinton wins the day. Talk about a double standard.


democracy!
by BlueGAinDC on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:36:08 PM EST

The candidate of solutions... (2.00 / 1)

who proposes a "solution" that won't solve the problem of gas prices and could in fact make a real solution more difficult down the road.

Not what I look for in a candidate.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:42:19 PM EST

Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (2.00 / 1)

I think this is way off...

You can't separate the merits of the proposal entirely from the politics.  This is an unambiguously terrible idea, derided by countless impartial observers, and even some pro-Hillary folks (ie Krugman). Putting something so unambiguously terrible at the heart of her "solutions based" argument corrodes her entire campaign identity, especially since the policy reinforces Obama's counter argument that Hillary is a typical Washington pol who will say or do anything to get elected.

So long as people understand that there are no merits at all to this proposal, then this is bad for Hillary; How can Hillary be solutions based if her solutions have no merit?


by davisb on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:44:10 PM EST

Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (2.00 / 1)

todd let me get this straight

this lady is DECEIVING you and the public
and you are giving her points on it but you slam Obama for being honest and talking to people like adults ? and you say Obama looks down on people?

I hope all Hillary supporters don't agree

you are either lack real morals or you are obsessed with Hillary and she can do no wrong


PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability
by wellinformed on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:51:22 PM EST

Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (2.00 / 1)

When one candidate is saying "There's not an editorial out there that has said this is actually the answer to high gas prices." and the other is saying "I want the oil companies to pay the federal gas tax this summer." it doesn't take a post-graduate degree to know which statement resonates with most voters. In fact, most post-grads disqualify themselves.


by souvarine on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:15:21 PM EST

Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (2.00 / 1)

Shorter Todd: Vote Clinton, because she's a shameless liar, and voters are dupes.


"I'll bite your legs off!" -- HRC 2008!
by username3 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 08:18:41 PM EST

Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (2.00 / 1)

Hillary not only is beating the smarty pants off Obama with this, and checkmating McCain, she has placed the ball squarely in Pelosi and Hoyer's court as well.

Tiime to shit or get off the pot.

And what you gonna do about this gas tax holiday plan, Mr. Obama??  Hope??

This is a win=win=win for Hillary.  

Her strength, her votes have come from people who know she understands that a dollar's a dollar, when you're trying to squeeze a month's worth of bills out of three weeks' worth of paycheck.  

Because EXXON took most of the other paycheck with a month's worth of fill-ups.


by dembluestates on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:16:14 PM EST

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Can we officially change the spelling to camPAIN.


by mady on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:26:57 PM EST

I disagree. (none / 0)

Clinton says Oil companies should pay the tax this summer but it doesn't answer that underlying question of whether they will just jack up their prices to make up the difference.

I give Clinton points for trying, but this idea doesn't seem particularly effective to me.  So much so it has no chance of passing.

We can't fix the woes of the world with a tax break.  But that seems to be the only kind of action that is being suggested, by republicans and democrats.

We need to get more innovative in our solutions.


by DawnG on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:00:58 PM EST

Sorry, Todd (none / 0)

talking about the pure politics of an admittedly stupid proposal that parrots Republican anti-tax talking points and will accomplish precious little for actual people while ignoring the morality--or lack thereof--of making the proposal will always fail to address the major point that Democrats need to realize:

Once again, Hillary is united with John McCain to sell out fellow Democrats for short-term political advantage.

It's not only pandering, it's immoral.


by hekebolos on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:06:25 PM EST

Wrong (2.00 / 1)

Clinton just stuck a pin in McCain's big moment of caring for the economic woes of the little people.  She shifted the dialogue from "big bad taxes" to "big bad oil profits".  How in the hell is she "uniting" with John McCain again?  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:18:17 AM EST
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Todd and Hillary Both Predictable (none / 0)

Once again...define "integrity"

Whether Machiavellian politics (and she's pretty good at it), which
includes calculated pandering, will win out or not is still to be answered.

She spoke first and made a truly stupid proposal from an economic and social standpoint. She backtracked pretty effectively to explain how she'd pay for it.

He spoke the truth...as usual.

Todd...once again, if she wins this way she will lose in the Fall.
All those young voters who want the truth will leave the party and so will over 50% of the African American vote. They won't vote for McCain. Nader maybe. Maybe just not show up.

If pandering works it will be at an ultimately high price.

Todd, you oughta know better.

Mark


by markpsf on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:51:16 PM EST

Sorry Todd but, (none / 0)

"Both candidates are casting oil companies as the real villain but Hillary Clinton wins on points in this regard by framing her proposal as the oil companies paying the tax instead of consumers."

But as we know, the oil companies will just make up the cost by making the consumers pay more. So in the end, the tax will have little to no known affect on the actual price.

"But Obama wins points by conflating Hillary Clinton's and John McCain's plans, lumping Clinton and McCain together and himself as their opponent."

I don't think it's that simple. However Obama has not articulated exactly why it is bad expect for to say it would save little in actual cost (which is true).

" But ultimately, Clinton comes out ahead because this issue both gives her the opportunity to present herself as the fighter and the candidate of solutions that she's been campaigning as for months and simultaneously forces Obama to go on defense and to be the anti-solutions candidate, the candidate who is on the attack"

I fundamentally disagree with the speculation that this somehow makes Clinton look ahead. Of course you would conclude that.  But once people actually start doing some research and take the time to study what actual affects it will have will realize the hollowness of it all.  This is a completely obvious sign of "do anything to win" political pandering only to appeal to the absolute lowest information voter.


by SocialDem on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:06:36 AM EST

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"In other words, she's driving the debate and strengthening her own brand while weakening his"

The brand is being sold in more than one market.

Some would say that at the moment the most important market is the Congressional superdelegate market and they may be more inclined to think that Senator Clinton has put her brand on a bottle of snake oil.

Even those  Congress people who favor a gas holiday would probably want themselves and not Senator Clinton and her nominee campaign megaphone to get the credit for it.


by My Ob on Sun May 04, 2008 at 06:56:17 AM EST

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Several things occur to me here:

If you can sneeze at 20 cents a gallon, good for you.  When you live out in a rural area and it is the largest portion of where your earnings go with regard to the trip to/from work, you may (as a voter) have a much different take on it.  These are the same people seeing the lenders getting bailed out while they have lost their homes or know people who did.  The "experts" don't mean diddle to them.

What they are hearing is Barack saying "no."

What they are hearing is Hillary saying "yes."

Whether you call that pandering or not, each candidate is making their best case to the voters.  It's what Reverend Wright calls being a "politician."


"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
by beebop on Sun May 04, 2008 at 07:08:48 AM EST

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A "gas holiday" will do nothing to improve the situation for Americans beyond saving $30-40 for a month or so. If we are serious we need to allow for drilling in Anwar, The Gulf Of Mexico and build new refineries. At the same time we need to begin construction of new Nuclear Power Plants, employ clean coal technology, and make greater use of wind based energy technology. This is what will make us energy independent and lower prices significantly in the long term. The greatest obtsacle to this is Government regulation, out of control environmentalism and a general lack of knowledge of the subject by the american public.

And by the way, if Hillary or McCain were serious they would propose eliminating the gas tax altogether forever.....


by adb67 on Sun May 04, 2008 at 09:16:27 AM EST

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You know for some people $40/month matters.

Talk about "elitist".... nothing but $30-$40? You blow your nose on twenties?

And if you read Clinton's policy she endorses all of the things you advocate. Obama, well he supported Cheney's energy plan and has gotten more money from oil execs than any other candidate.


by redwagon on Sun May 04, 2008 at 11:32:01 AM EST
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Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (none / 0)

That $40.00 will sure be great for the highway construction worker who looses his/her job. It won't help much to pay for the funeral of the person who is killed when the Bridge she crossing collapses due to insuffient maintainance. Now I have to face something I never dreamed possible "McSame Rethuglican and McHillary Rethuglican Lite" how desperate can someone get.. This is what the Blogs have been ranting against forever, Dems acting like Repigs. Don't try to give me "The gas tax will be paid for by a tax on Big oil" You know and Hillary knows the Pigs will never let it happen. Pander, pander.


by eddieb on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:58:31 PM EST
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Tsk. tsk.

Eddie, if Hillary puts $40 back in my pocket at the pump, and Obama tries to stop her from doing it, I got news for you.


by dembluestates on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:49:14 AM EST
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You know it won't happen! You also think Hillary is gonna give you $40.00. Ha! Then I'm sure Hillary McSame won't have any problem selling you a bridge in brooklyn for $45.00. All I can siay is, "If your dumb enough to belive Hillary McSame's tax Holiday scam then their smart enough to sell it to you! Tsk Tsk LOL (:0


by eddieb on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:27:52 PM EST
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Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (none / 0)

adb, I can tell you've been listening to FOX noise.

1.  The ANWR plan is a Republican SCAM.  There is ONE pipeline from Alaska to the lower 48 states, and  it has been working at FULL capacity, 1M/bbls per day, since it was built.  How's all that oil from ANWR going to get to us in time to make a difference?  There's not even a PLAN to expand pipeline, and the last one took ten years to build.

2. The OIL Compnaies, not the "American people", own and build refineries.  They CHOOSE not to build refineries becuase they want to constrain SUPPLY.  If supply increases, inventiories build up and prices drop.  You REALLy think if they needed a refinery in states like OK and TX and AK and AL, where the GOP owns the statehouse they couldn't get one built tomorrow?

"Regulation"?? Under Bush's EPA?

"Out-of-control" Environmentalism?? After 8 years of GOp rule in all branches of Gov't??

Get real.


by dembluestates on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:55:10 AM EST
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Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (none / 0)

Senator Clinton continues to win political points by telling the voters she'll get them savings on gas by means of a tax holiday that will never happen and would backfire if it did.

This just In. On Monday, Clinton will offer us all hovercrafts, and on Tuesday she will announce that "calories don't count."


by anoregonreader on Sun May 04, 2008 at 02:04:01 PM EST

Re: The Politics of the Gas Tax Holiday (1.00 / 1)

This sentence tells you all you need to know about the post:

"Now, putting aside for a moment the actual merits of the gas tax holiday concept and looking just at the politics of it, look at both candidates' rhetoric from the stump today..."

Yes, you might agree that Clinton is well ahead on the rhetoric front. The anti-'holiday' argument is correct on the merits on every point - but in politics this isn't enough, you need better speechwriters. Is that the point here? Good politics consists of proposing bogus 'solutions' that will never be applied and wouldn't do any good if they were - so long as they let you position yourself rhetorically?

Why do people believe they would be seeing one single cent of savings from this 'holiday'? It's going straight into the pockets of gas retailers... Even if Hillary could remove the gas tax and take a chunk of windfall profit from oil companies to make up for it, there's no reason for prices at the pump to decrease - because summer demand is so high the companies can sell every gallon of gas they produce even at $4 a gallon. You think they'll voluntarily cut into their profits just to make Hillary look good?

Obama needs to say it ten, twenty times a day: The tax holiday WON'T MAKE YOUR GAS CHEAPER - anyone who says it will is selling you snake oil.


by stringph on Sun May 04, 2008 at 03:11:01 PM EST

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Of course it'll make gas cheaper.  AND the oil cmpanies will pay for it.  Hillary wins this one big.


by dembluestates on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:56:07 AM EST
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