UPDATED! Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum!

by Dracomicron, Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:23:56 PM EST

CNN has Obama winning Guam by 6% as of this moment.

If Obama wins in Guam, how will Clinton justify staying in the race?  Why can't she close the deal?

Guam is clearly a valuable territory of the United States; they were a crucial refuelling station during World War II.  These good citizens are clearly an excellent judge of character, and their choice of Obama speaks volumes about the national mood and his electability.

Clinton supporters, how do you think your candidate can possibly respond to this loss credibly?

*NON-SNARK UPDATE:* It's amusing that different people see different snark here. Some seem to think that I'm mocking Obama supporters. Others think I'm mocking attitudes from Clinton supporters. Others just get a chuckle out of the absurdity that our democratic process has brought us to. See that, people? I'm pulling us all together through snark. I'm a uniter!


Poll
Guam:
Great territory
Greatest territory.

Votes: 18
Results : Vote Link : Polls


Tags: Obama, Guam, snark (all tags)

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this is obviously a game changer win (2.00 / 2)

the tide is turning!!


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by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:25:04 PM EST

Clearly, the people of Guam hate freedom. (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:58:55 PM EST
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Re: Clearly, the people of Guam hate freedom. (none / 0)

As HRC says, you're either with us or against us.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:33:41 PM EST
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OMG! She's d-o-o-m-e-d! (2.00 / 1)

I couldn't help throwing in a DKos/Obamatron/snark reply.


by bobswern on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:17:30 PM EST
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re (1.33 / 3)

Its a caucus. Did Obama/Move On have their stormtroopers on site again? Hillary will stomp him in Puerto Rico


by rossinatl on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:27:45 PM EST

TRed for (none / 0)

comparing Obama to Hitler


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by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:31:05 PM EST
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Re: TRed for (2.00 / 2)

Wouldn't a comment alone do it?  Too much heavy TR action around here.  What's the point?


by mady on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:47:42 PM EST
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yeah... (none / 0)

maybe, I can not fix it now though


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by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:54:13 PM EST
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Re: re (2.00 / 3)

It's called a caucus, but in fact people just show up and cast ballots.

See video and pictures from links at the bottom of this story:

http://guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article ?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/80504014


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:31:22 PM EST
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Damned activists (2.00 / 1)

For all we know, all of those brainwashed activist zombies from colleges in Illinois just went to Guam to start trouble.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:36:07 PM EST
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Re: Damned activists (2.00 / 2)

Oprah Paid their fares too... I hope it's just a one-way ticket, we don't need them back in the US.


by SHIBAM8P on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:41:00 PM EST
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YEAAH, RIGHT ON (none / 0)

America doesn't need progressive activism, it need regressive suppression.


by grass on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:15:31 PM EST
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Is Hillary loosing Fiji? (none / 0)


by observer5 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:28:30 PM EST

great snark! (2.00 / 1)

or should I say "bait" for a tumultuous discussion (until everyone gets that its snark)?


by 4justice on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:29:37 PM EST

Re: great snark! (2.00 / 3)

Of course. Except for the people with no sense of humor.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:38:01 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (2.00 / 4)

Has any Democratic nominee won the WH without winning Guam?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:29:43 PM EST

Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (2.00 / 3)

Has any candidate won their party's nomination without winning Guam?


by eumc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:41:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (2.00 / 2)


 So goes Guam...so goes the nation
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:46:15 PM EST
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It sounds like voters are having second thoughts (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:53:26 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

guam, yeeaaaah cuz they have so many electoral votes in November.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:34:08 PM EST

can I use that if (2.00 / 1)

Hillary wins Puerto Rico?


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by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:40:23 PM EST
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Re: can I use that if (none / 0)

but they have a key voting bloc, latinos there, who in the states are very important to our election. Guam has no key voting blocs


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:49:13 PM EST
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got it, Guam is insignificant (2.00 / 3)


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by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:52:43 PM EST
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Re: got it, Guam is insignificant (none / 0)

the thing is, IT IS.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sat May 03, 2008 at 07:09:30 PM EST
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Mark? Mark Penn? Is that you. (none / 0)


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by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:25:57 PM EST
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Re: Mark? Mark Penn? Is that you. (none / 0)

no but there are not only no electoral votes there, but more importantly, no demographic blocs we can test waters of to see how each candidate can do with


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Sun May 04, 2008 at 12:17:56 AM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

Don't speak too fast, Hillary promised Guam that she would fight for them to vote in the presidential election if she becomes president.


by shalca on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:47:24 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

There must be a lot of hard-working, blue-collar, white working class lunchbucket types there.

Because that is who she is fighting for!


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:09:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

She also promised reparations for Japan's occupation of Guam in WWII, from U.S. coffers.

That's not pandering, that's working hard for Guam's votes.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/stumping-for-de.html


by shalca on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:15:20 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (2.00 / 2)

I just watched Hillary Rodham Clinton standing in the back of a truck campaigning in front of thousands in NC singing populist tunes, to my tarnation . lol

It was great , who woulda thought the Wellesley lady would be the working class heroine . ( the anti trade and pro gun candidate )


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:35:24 PM EST

Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (2.00 / 3)

She's working on rebranding herself.  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:37:21 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

I am from a conservative household , all my folks are Reagan democrats .

I can tell you up till about the time of Ohio and Texas I couldn't get my folks to think of even voting for Hillary Clinton over Mccain , but now its almost like they had an epiphany , no day passess that they don't talk about her glowingly .

Whatever transformation she has done has worked.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:44:03 PM EST
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Rightwing op-ed (none / 0)

This is a clever guide to why she's so appealing now to the center-right, it involves media-hate, fighting-spirit, national security credentials:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Pu blic/Articles/000/000/015/063kvafy.asp

The best part of it all is this: remember when people were talking about her revolt against the Republican father? Right now, she's come to accept him as a model of small-town values and toughness.


by eumc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:53:40 PM EST
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Re: Rightwing op-ed (none / 0)

You know I actually agree with that .

The major reason I am supporting is because of National Security , my views on national security is actually closer to John McCain than her but I don't think he is the right man for this century.

Patriotism , military service , pride in country are really driving decisions in how I base my decision.

She has shown resilience and character that has helped her appeal to a lot of conservative folks I know.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:00:04 PM EST
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Re: Rightwing op-ed (none / 0)

Yeah, it should also help her greatly in the basically red states to come.

I really don't believe Obama is doing himself any favors by recently proclaiming speech after speech that he's patriotic, that people should not judge him by the Wright stuff, that he honors the flag etc. Of course, it's true, but I cannot imagine an undecided conservative voter who wouldn't think "Why does he say it. Is it doubtful?" He should have some credible surrogates for that, but he doesn't.


by eumc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:08:12 PM EST
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Re: Rightwing op-ed (none / 0)

Yeah .

When I hear him say after his speeches now " God Bless America " , it just comes off in a wrong way.

Its just sad he has to do that .

He really showed a lack of judgment sitting in that pew listening to that stuff for 20 years.

I really don't think anyone should be listening to that crap , talk less of kids.

Comparing America to Al queada , to KKK , GD America all of that stuff is just too much for many people I have spoken.

Frankly I have heard so many people say they believe Obama sat there because he believes it .

I don't believe that .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:26:15 PM EST
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Re: Rightwing op-ed (none / 0)

It's simple: in all his political career, he's never had to say it. The folks he represented in Chicago or the folks in the law school don't talk like that.

His patriotism is different, but it's always been more about uniting Americans than about serving America, think about "we are one people".

The whole judgment discussion is way off base: judgment is about deciding under stress and Illinois state senators were not under any Iraq-related stress. Similarly, Chicago folks were perfectly fine with Wright, why leave the church then?


by eumc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:44:22 PM EST
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Re: Rightwing op-ed (none / 0)

I suppose thats one way of looking at it .

If they are fine with such talk , then the assumption is they would share the sentiment .

And if he tolerates it , without sharing the sentiment thats shows a deficiency in character or judgement.

If I didn't believe those horrible things he was saying about the country and other hateful things against other races , there is no way I would remain  , talk less of taking my kids to listen to that stuff.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:59:25 PM EST
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Re: Rightwing op-ed (none / 0)

Well,that's his electability problem


by eumc on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:06:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

Well, I'll one up you.

My 93 year old grandmother is a Hoover, Dewey, Eisenhower, Nixon, Goldwater, Nixon (again), Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush Republican.

She finally decided it's time for a change.  It took over 75 years, but W finally pushed her over the edge.

She's voting for Obama.


by emptythreatsfarm on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:16:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

I'm not sure she is when the campaign goes away.  I remember Nelson Rockefellar and his perpetual knishes in NYC campaigning for governor.  Politics is politics, you become who you need to attract.


by mady on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:02:44 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

Rockefeller, whoops, sp.


by mady on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:03:52 PM EST
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Oh, please. (2.00 / 6)

Everyone knows Guam doesn't count. Islands favor Obama, and caucuses favor obama. As long as Hillary is within 30 points of Obama in an island caucus, we can count it as a moral victory. Six point loss = UBER-MASSIVE WIN. Rockin'.

Almost half your Guamanian pledged delegates are belong to us. Mwahahaha!


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:36:39 PM EST

Hold tight to those 2 delegates (2.00 / 2)

The fact that Hillary is getting 2 delegates and Obama is getting 2 delegates means nothing!  

The delegates don't matter, only the win matters!

momentum...

Momentum!

MOMENTUM!!

M O M E N T U M ! ! !


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:39:52 PM EST
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I laughed out loud. (2.00 / 2)

Recc'd for funniest comment.  :D


No Way, No How, No McCain!
by GFORD on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:40:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

Guam is not part of the United States...

there shouldn't be any delegates from there.  

They don't count on General Election; is that the Democratic Way?? Geez...


by SHIBAM8P on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:37:53 PM EST

Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

Are you arguing to give Guam more representation? Or less?


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:46:12 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

I also want Kenya to be a territory so they can all vote for Obama?  (I'm being sarcastic, can u tell?)


by SHIBAM8P on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:22:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (2.00 / 3)

But Hillary is winning on Johnson Atoll.


by johnnygunn on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:37:58 PM EST

Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (1.00 / 1)

Guam has spoken.  Hillary should drop out.  Well, they're still counting but what the heck, right Obamaniacs?  snark.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:44:29 PM EST

but if obama wins (2.00 / 1)

by single digits can we say he won by double digits?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:48:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

Interesting.  His Feb. spreadsheet predicted an 11-pt. win in Guam.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:47:10 PM EST

right... (2.00 / 1)

and Hillary predicted she will have the nomination by super tuesday.

You really want to go there?


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:48:49 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (2.00 / 2)

And what did the Clinton folks predict about February and beyond?


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by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:49:04 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (1.00 / 1)

She's in it to win it.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:51:44 PM EST
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right (none / 0)

vs. Obama who apparently is in just for fun


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by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:55:25 PM EST
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Re: right (1.00 / 1)

You think he's having fun?  How are his polls?


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:57:30 PM EST
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how is that (none / 0)

pledged delegate 150+ gap loss and the closing super delegate lead working out for her.

I heard the SD gap is down to 16. Thats from 96 in February.


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by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:05:08 PM EST
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Re: how is that (1.00 / 1)

Gee, I can't understand why he isn't the nominee already.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:08:11 PM EST
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oh he is. (none / 0)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:23:16 PM EST
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Re: how is that (none / 0)

I can't understand why he is winning; where did all his money came from??  the Saudis?


by SHIBAM8P on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:20:44 PM EST
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You're joking, right? (none / 0)

He wouldn't take money from the Saudis even if it was legal.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:25:36 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

They predicted 55-44, 54-46 is the likely finish, is that really that far off?


by Bobby Obama on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:04:05 PM EST
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This primary is good geography, history (none / 0)

and civics lesson for us all! Had no idea Guam was refueling station! And each state (except FL and MI) gets some attention.

Somebody post a pic/map of Guam please!


by catfish1 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:17:26 PM EST

Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

Obama winning a caucus! And Guam at that. Wow, this is big news.  


by aroundtheblock on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:21:37 PM EST

Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

It's really just like a primary where people cast ballots.  You haven't figured that out yet?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:33:16 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (2.00 / 1)

It's upthread and you can even see pictures and movies!!  http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/3/15 2356/3171/7#7


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:37:12 PM EST
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Re: Obama winning Guam! Unbeatable momentum! (none / 0)

How many midwestern Republican gun nuts are in Guam?


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:35:23 PM EST
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Re: UPDATED! Obama (2.00 / 1)

Politics in Guam is a guamble.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sat May 03, 2008 at 05:31:42 PM EST

Best comment in the whole thread! n/t (none / 0)


by bobswern on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:25:46 PM EST
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