Pelosi: I'll be ready - as soon as we have a nominee

nancy pelosi told the editorial board of the san francisco chronicle that she'd "step in if necessary" to make sure there is a democratic nominee by the end of june.

"Because we cannot take this fight to the convention," she said. "It must be over before then."

pelosi made it clear that she understands the disappointment that some women have faced with the realization that a woman will not become our next president:

"God bless their enthusiasm," said Pelosi of the effort. "These women are fabulous, and I know many of them very well." But, she said, while "we all want to see a woman president ... they want me to be the chair of the convention, who is neutral. And yet they want me to be for Hillary Clinton."

But the speaker said that activist women who make up Clinton's supporters, blue-collar voters and Obama backers will come together when they realize they "have the most to lose by a Democratic defeat."

And she said voters, too, will be energized by the party's "progressive economic agenda to grow our economy, for real initiatives on health care," education, infrastructure, housing and other key "kitchen-table issues."

on the seating of florida and michigan:

"For now, 2,026 is the magic number" of pledged and unpledged delegates needed by a candidate to win the party's presidential nomination, she said, but "if they decide to seat (Florida and Michigan) this weekend, there will be a new magic number."

While saying she believes those two states' delegates should be seated, Pelosi added that it must happen ''in a way that is not destructive to any sense of order in the party."

"If you have no order and no discipline in terms of party rules, people will be having their primary in the year before the presidential election," she said. "So there has to be some penalty."

She said the party committee will come up with a formula that is "fair and accepted by both campaigns," perhaps allowing the states 50 percent of their delegates. But "if the resolution is not appropriate, then it remains for the (Democratic National Convention) credentials committee to resolve it," she said. Then, "it will have to happen by the end of June" or she will intervene, she said.

pelosi also noted that there are a lot more democrats who are waiting on the sidelines -- many more than have been emotionally torn by the process:

"People are already saying to me: I'll be ready - as soon as we have a nominee - to come around."

pretty standard fare.  as a party, we need to realize that this bitterly contested primary will lead to some of hillary's most ardent supporters leaving the fold.  but those who leave the party are already being replaced.  the number of people who self-identify as democrats has increased dramatically since the last election:

The 40% Democratic identification figure is unusually high. The last time 40% of Americans identified as Democrats was August 2000. Before that, there have been just a handful of Gallup Poll telephone surveys -- going back to 1985 -- in which 40% or more of Americans identified as Democrats. The highest Democratic identification in a Gallup telephone poll was 42% in July 1987.

The gap between Democratic and Republican identification -- now at 14 percentage points -- is also almost a record high. The gap was higher only in December 1998 -- immediately after President Bill Clinton had been impeached by the Republican-controlled House of Representatives -- when 41% of Americans identified as Democrats and only 20% as Republicans.

The highest level of identification with the Republican Party, 39%, has been reached at three points: in May 1991 (a few months after the first Persian Gulf War), December 2003 (in a poll in the field at the time of Saddam Hussein's capture), and September 2004 (after a successful Republican convention at which George W. Bush was nominated for a second term in office).

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There are several other indications that the Democratic Party is riding high at the moment. First, the percentage of Americans with a favorable image of the Democratic Party (56%) is significantly higher than is the case for the Republican Party (41%).

so while we have some hillary supporters who will vote for john mccain, the multitudes of democrats will be voting their democratic values for the democratic nominee.  we must accept the inevitable angst that comes from losing a hard-fought election for those who supported the loser of that election.  they may eventually come back.  but they will only come back in their own time.  in the end, the democratic tide makes their loss easier to sustain.  this is especially true since we have increasing ancedotal evidence that most of the hillarycrats who are swearing allegience to the republican nominee are in the bluest of blue states or the reddest of red states.  let's follow barack in conceding to hillary and her ardent supporters the space they need and focus our attention on winning in the fall...



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hillary supporters who will vote for john mccain.. (none / 0)

should never have been Hillary supporters.

But yes, the high-mucketymucks are being nice and letting this play out but they won't allow a floor fight.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:29:31 AM EST

Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready - as soon as we have a n (1.66 / 3)

LOL without the base of the democratic party, Obama will lose, even with all those new voters, it is the older voter who actually elects a president, look to history to see if that is true, it is.  

Movement candidates don't win, anti-war candidates don't win, far left candidates, elite candidates, the democratic party has a history of selecting the candidate who doesn't win.  Looks like they are at it again.  Instead of selecting the strongest candidate, they are poised to select the most inexperienced and least qualified candidate possible.  Looks like the dems are going to lose again.  Without the base of the party Obama cannot win the GE.  Without those down scale democrats, Obama will not win blue states either. So sad really.


democrat voter
by democrat voter on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:30:37 AM EST

Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready - as soon as we have a n (none / 0)

Define base.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:31:31 AM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

Exactly!  The Democrats base should be all Americans.  Talking about "base" is Rovian thinking, we should be better than that.  


by Gene In PA on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:38:49 AM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

The base should not and cannot be all Americans. America is a huge, diverse place with all sorts of beliefs. A party has to stand for certain core principles or else it will implode from trying to please everyone. Anyone is of course welcome to join, but it doesn't mean they have to be our "base."


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:03:40 AM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

I'm not saying "abandon principals", I'm just saying that we can't write off any demographic because we think that they'll never agree with us. People grow and change, and it's insulting to not try and reach everyone.


by Gene In PA on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:07:36 AM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

Reality shouldn't ever be insulting. For example, how do we "reach out" to people who spend their free time harassing women walking near abortion clinics? Assumign there is such a way to do this, how do we also keep our pro choice members of the base on board? How do we reach out to people who want to outlaw affirmative action, AND keep our African American base intact? I don't think it can be done and if it it can, is worth doing.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:11:17 AM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

Well for those that wish to outlaw affirmative action perhaps we can explain that it's white women who benefit the most from it so that it's no longer an issue of 'racial favoritism'.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:23:29 AM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

And when that doesn't work what do you do?This argument, and its a good one, doesn't work with thoes who see affirmative action as the reason they are losing jobs to "less qualified (insert minority group here).  Eventually, you have to come to the realization that you can't please everyone.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:25:23 AM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

Sure if the facts on that don't change their minds then you'll have to hope that some other issue will sway them.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:51:34 AM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

And if that doesnt...etc. The whole point is not everyone can be swayed and evetually, you will reach the point of diminishing returns and risk alienating those more inclined to agree with you on most other issues.


by Mayor McCheese on Thu May 29, 2008 at 12:19:03 PM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

Certainly not all but I'd say much more than 50%.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 12:30:10 PM EST
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Re: define base (none / 0)

The base should be all Americans - or most - but politically speaking there is a "base" to each party. In other words, the most loyal and reliable constituency is your base and you expand your reach from that outwards to capture as many Americans as you can. But you know you can always count on your base. So, for example, certain portions of Clinton's "base" aren't very reliable Democratic voters so they can't accurately be described as the "base" of the Democratic party or part of the "base".


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:12:05 AM EST
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Looks like you missed Carville's speech (none / 0)

Absolutely nothing about this season has conformed to any historical trend.


by localroger on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:33:36 AM EST
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Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready - as soon as we have a n (none / 0)

You sound as if a handful of mydd folk constitute the base of the party.
by french imp on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:35:56 AM EST
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Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready - as soon as we have a n (none / 0)

When "the base" of the Democratic Party votes for the Republican, they're no longer "the base"


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:37:31 AM EST
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Do me a favor (none / 0)

Can you get together with other Clinton supporters and decide whether Obama is "too far left" or a "stealth conservative" and settle on a single ideological talking point?

Because it seriously makes me dizzy trying to continually navigate the paradoxical talking points.


by zonk on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:46:38 AM EST
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Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready (none / 0)

So be it then. I think Obama will do fine with or without you.


by Becky G on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:57:42 AM EST
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Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready to hide (none / 0)

to bad she is only willing to 'impeach' Hillary and not dumbaya. Silly Nanacy you will never get constituant of your's vote ever again.


by zerosumgame on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:39:02 AM EST

Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready to hide (none / 0)

Victimization much?  You are actually comparing impeachment to asking the loser of the primary to admit they lost?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:17:02 AM EST
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Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready to hide (none / 0)

did you miss the "'"'s around the word? there's your humor-impairment raising it's ugly head again. someday pull your head out of your nether regions and try to be less of a partisan ass


by zerosumgame on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:20:38 AM EST
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Re: Pelosi: I'll be ready to hide (none / 0)

Right.  You were just joking.  Uh huh



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:26:06 AM EST
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how? (none / 0)

how does Pelosi think she can step in and end it?

If Hillary says she's fighting on to the convention, I don't see how Pelosi can stop it.

However, I think the smarter move for Hillary (and supporters like me who won't support Obama) is for her to step away and become and Independent candidate.

THAT

would be the best thing for Hillary, for her supporters like me who want to vote for her and refuse to vote for Obama.


by nikkid on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:04:54 AM EST

Re: how? (none / 0)

Pelosi is one smart tough cookie. This is NOT her first time at the rodeo.......


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:09:37 AM EST
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Re: how? (none / 0)

yes, but i don't see how she thinks she has the "power" to end it.  if hillary wants to take it to the convention, how can pelosi stop it?


by nikkid on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:11:05 AM EST
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Re: how? (none / 0)

If Pelosi and her compadres come out and endorse Obama, the writing will be on the wall. it's over. All that will be left is whether Senator Clinton wants to retain any sense of Dignity she may possess.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:13:33 AM EST
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Re: how? (none / 0)

You'll be awfully lonely out there in Indy land.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:13:03 AM EST
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Re: how? (none / 0)

Hillary is a lot smarter and has a lot more class than the tiny fringe you belong to.  She's not going to ditch the Democratic Party and run as an Independent.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:15:42 AM EST
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Re: how? (none / 0)

Simple: as speaker of the house, she has a lot of influence with house dems, who happen to be superdelegates.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by guazatragicness on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:16:57 AM EST
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Pelosi (none / 0)

As much as I liked the idea of having a female Speaker, I really can't stand her.  Taking impeachment off the table?  Who gave her the right to do that?  She works for the citizens, not the other way around.  As long as she sticks by that "promise" she sucks IMO.


by JustJennifer on Thu May 29, 2008 at 12:56:50 PM EST

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it's funny, because i first met nancy at a pcusa assembly back in the 1990s (it was in orlando, i can't recall the specific year) fighting for the rights of gay clergy in that denomination.  so it's not like she won't work for quixotic causes.  but impeachment was taken off the table before the 2006 elections in order for the democratic caucus to run as a team and to keep a promise that democrats made in the 1990s (that they'd never do what republicans did to clinton).  we ought to be able to understand that we (democrats) wanted to run on the issues of iraq and change instead of the issue of impeachment.  republicans would have (successfully, i think) turned the 2006 election into a referendum on impeachment if democrats hadn't done that.  they are better at wedge issues/politics than we are.  i get that progressives are frustrated by pelosi's house, but.  impeachment was seriously a loser in a more than half of the district democrats won in 2006.  it was a straight, cold calculation.  we won that gamble...


"This is the time for resolve and steady leadership" -- Barack Obama
by bored now on Thu May 29, 2008 at 02:02:59 PM EST
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Re: Pelosi (none / 0)

I think we should have waited until after 2006 and then started the impeachment process anyway.  Screw honor - they aren't honorable and the fact that they are going to walk off free and clear makes me want to vomit.


by JustJennifer on Thu May 29, 2008 at 04:48:18 PM EST
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