MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed

Caveat:  This diary will be mostly a cut and paste job.  I am acknowledging that fact up front, so please do not feel the need to reference this fact in the comment section.

Caveat No. 2:  This diary quotes extensively from an article in The New Republic.  Hopefully however, regardless of your feelings towards the publication, you will read the article with an open mind.

Dangerous Liaison
by Isaac Chotiner
The pro-Obama case against MSNBC's pro-Obama political coverage.

Two weeks ago, on the night of Barack Obama's big win and narrow loss in the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, respectively, I turned my television set to MSNBC, as I normally do on election nights. It was early in the evening, and Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann were discussing the first exit polls that were trickling in. Considering that the exit polls in these contests have been--to say the least--a bit unreliable, I assumed that they weren't going to put much stock in the numbers. Just two weeks earlier, I had watched MSNBC's coverage of the Pennsylvania primary, where an excited Matthews practically gave the state to Obama, only to acknowledge later that Clinton had easily won. Surely, Matthews and company were not going to make the same mistake again.

They didn't--but only because the exit polls, predicting a good night for Obama, happened to be right; the coverage itself was exactly the same. And this was only the latest example of the network's undeniable Obama favoritism. David Shuster's comment about the Clintons' "pimping out" their daughter, Chelsea, was clearly boneheaded, but, as Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson pointed out, it caused such a stir among Clintonites because it highlighted the rest of the network's anti-Hillary coverage. Now, that's not to say that their slant has been bad for business; to the contrary. And it has certainly made for some enjoyable television--Matthews is often supremely engaging (who, after all, does not enjoy watching someone exclaim that seeing Obama speak gives him a "thrill going up my leg"), and however withering he can be, Olbermann is frequently hilarious. But the network's coverage has helped create a bubble around Obama supporters that in the end is neither healthy nor desirable.

(snip)

And even if you think (as I do) that the Clintons have made too big of a deal out of the "sexist" and "unfair" portrayal their candidate has received in the press, if you watch enough MSNBC, you realize that their claim isn't without truth. How could you believe otherwise when Olbermann, with his trademark hauteur, told Hillary that "voluntarily or inadvertently, you are still awash in this filth [of the campaign]," or when Matthews took such self-evident glee in trouncing Clinton in between the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary? Similarly now, by mocking Clinton's decision to stay in the race, Olbermann has only bolstered her argument that "the boys" are trying to push her out. And finally, on a number of primary nights, but most notably in Pennsylvania and Ohio/Texas, MSNBC has become so excited by early exit polls that it has raised expectations that Obama ultimately could not live up to.

(snip)

I increasingly started watching the channel last year because of its political focus, and for the novelty of seeing outspoken liberals on television. How often does one hear a news anchor rant against the corruption of Bush's Washington, after all? As the campaign progressed, however, it became clear that neither Matthews nor Olbermann could stand Hillary Clinton. This, I must admit, I found appealing, too--especially because I agreed with the hosts that some of the Clinton campaign's tactics have been either ridiculous or dirty or both.

Still, a downside quickly surfaced. Shuster's "pimping" remark and Matthews's crude (even if somewhat accurate) comment about the Monica Lewinsky scandal being a boon for Hillary's political career were notable precisely because they had nothing to do with policy or ideology. It wasn't as if Shuster and Matthews and Olbermann were siding with Obama on the issue of individual mandates. Rather, by giving "the personal" precedence over "the political," the network was using Hillary Hatred to fuel its coverage in a similar fashion to how Fox News uses Democrat Hatred to excite its viewers. But there is a distinction here that makes MSNBC's agenda almost more disquieting than Fox's. With Fox, I have to believe that most people know they're watching something that approximates GOP talking points (seeing an analyst like Paul Begala spin for Hillary on CNN doesn't really stick, either; everyone knows he's an apparatchik). With MSNBC, however, the bias is much harder to pin down. Does it stem from a personal vendetta? Sexism? Corporate diktat? Who knows?  (snip) Conservatives have ably chipped away at the press's credibility these past few years, with disturbing results; now--consciously or not--with their aggressive, intra-Democrat side-taking, MSNBC is doing the same thing.

Dangerously, too, MSNBC's coverage can lead to a perverse sort of cognitive dissonance in viewers like, well, me. Throughout the primary process, I often found myself much more bullish on the Illinois Senator's chances after watching MSNBC than I had any reason to be. After Obama's Iowa victory, for instance, I remember hearing Matthews' description of a giant "wave" of Obamamania sweeping across the nation; surely, the race was over. Likewise, during the month of February, when Obama won eleven straight primaries, I recall watching the network and occasionally convincing myself that Clinton was certain to drop out before Texas and Ohio because her chances had become so diminished. The problem here is that when supposedly "straight" news anchors phrase questions in leading ways, and report one campaign's spin as if it were fact, it distorts what is actually going on in the campaign--even for those of us who make a living obsessing over and writing about politics. And when anchormen themselves shill for Obama, the distinction between his talking points and the truth grows even blurrier still. So, as much as I find MSNBC entertaining, their creation of a parallel, pro-Obama universe is the type of thing I'd expect of Fox. That's when I know it's time to change the channel.

I will simply close with this.  It is my personal opinion that the tactics of The Huffington Post, Talking Points Memo, CNN, Daily Kos, Newsweek, NBC News, The Washington Post, etc., are identical to those of MSNBC, and when you have an echo chamber that large, it explains why Obama is close to sewing up the nomination.

To me, that's scary.  I am being left with the alternative of voting for corporate media's Democratic choice, or John McCain.  This is something that is very important for Obama supporters to understand if they want to win over Clinton supporters.  There are a large number of us who do not rule out Obama because of Wright, or Rezko, or the Holocaust, or the GI Bill, or "Bittergate", etc.  I am one of them.  If you check my post and diary history both here and at Daily Kos, I have NEVER slammed Obama on these kinds of issues.  

I am simply scared to death about voting for the candidate that the corporate media is so heavily in the bag for.  I don't trust the corporate media, so I don't trust Obama.  It would therefore serve you well to focus on changing my mind and alleviating my fears, as opposed to attacking me for being the messenger.

In closing, please note that the media propaganda began long before Obama sewed up the nomination, so please do not use that as an excuse.  I've heard it a number of times by Keith Olbermann apologists, and its simply not true.  Keith and MSNBC were already in the propaganda business in January, 2008 - the same month that Markos Moulitsas became an Obama propagandist.  That was BEFORE Super Tuesday.



Display:


Tips for Keith Olbermann's faux outrage. (2.00 / 9)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:54:54 AM EST

Re: Tips for Keith Olbermann's faux outrage. (none / 0)

heres to you:


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:16:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips for Keith Olbermann's faux outrage. (none / 0)

"It would therefore serve you well to focus on changing my mind"

Troll rating abusers can vote for whomever they please and we'll not care one whit, iota or tittle whether you get on board or no.  


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:18:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (1.40 / 5)

Why is this damn republican allowed to post here????

Why??


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:55:27 AM EST

Re: Clarify please (2.00 / 0)

What Republican?


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:08:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Clarify please (none / 0)

Phonix stop snarking already


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:14:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 2)

Sorry but the New Republic means nothing to me. I should listen to Republicans? Never. That said , as much as I despise all the nonsense that has gone on during this primary I will vote for the Dem nominee...whomever that ends up being. I will not be responsible for putting McCain in the WH. There is too much at stake for this country.


by Bastet on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:59:41 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 2)

The New Republic isn't a Republican magazine.  What are you talking about?


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:48:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (none / 0)

I don't care for the New Republic and I didn't mean to say it was Republican. I just don't care for listening to Republicans is all since hearing too much from them lately. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.


by Bastet on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:07:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The New Republic, like Hillary Clinton... (2.00 / 1)

... was in the tank for Bush's illegal and immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq.

Its honchos remain there.

For all intents and purposes, it is a neocon Republican rag.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:08:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: The New Republic, like Hillary Clinton... (none / 0)

The New Republic certainly has many failings (I haven't read it in years), but to say it's a neocon Republican rag is a gross exaggeration. This is the kind of hyperbole that makes me wonder if people even know what a neocon is.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:07:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You admit to your problem. (none / 0)

You haven't read it in years.

Read Marty Peretz and try to tell me with a straight face he's not a neocon.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:12:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

More disgraceful Marty Peretz (none / 0)

... so embarassing, TNR is hiding it these days, but it lives on at Free Republic.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:27:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Is This Snark? (2.00 / 6)

Serious question.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:05:22 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 2)

Linky link link?


by neonplaque on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:05:42 AM EST

Re: Link (2.00 / 0)

http://tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=b4 8a6936-fb3c-42b0-83c1-f91d1cb3a3dc


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:49:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

"The Holocaust"... (2.00 / 1)

...we have now reached a new low.


by Lieber on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:17:25 AM EST

Oh, PUHLEASE. I used Holocaust b/c I didn't (1.50 / 2)

want to mis-spell Auschvitz (sp?), and I didn't feel like running to do a spell check.  Why don't you save your mock outrage for Keith Olbamamania's Special Clinton Bashing Comment.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:00:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, PUHLEASE. I used Holocaust b/c I didn't (none / 0)

You could have checked the correct spelling of Auschwitz, but it appears that was too much trouble.  What other research was too difficult?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:23:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 1)

A. Rodriguez, is that you?

Hijole, como es que ya estas trollando por acca? Todavia sigas luchando contra el diablo del "liberal media bias?" Y Batista, que?


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:26:47 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 1)

"Liberal media bias" es una idea invencible.  Siempre se resucitaba, siempre se resucitará.  ¿Cuál Rodriguez es esto, y por qué está trollando aquí?  ...Y ¿por qué hablamos en español?


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:37:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 2)

Yo estaba referiendo al A. Rodriguez, lo mismo administrador del Tinfoilis44.com, y lo cual antes apoyaba las Perotistas.

"Y ¿por qué hablamos en español?"
Oops. Sorry for slipping into Spanish.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:02:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Got to love the bilingual blogging. n/t (2.00 / 1)


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:19:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Got to love the bilingual blogging. n/t (2.00 / 1)

Are you kvetching or what?


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:23:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Got to love the bilingual blogging. n/t (2.00 / 1)

I'm getting verklempt...  Talk amongst yourselves.  I'll give you a topic.  The 2008 Democratic primary popular vote: neither popular, nor a vote.  Discuss.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:39:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Got to love the bilingual blogging. n/t (none / 0)

Kinda' like the Holy Roman Empire of the popular vote. Neither Holy, Roman, nor much of an empire.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:02:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Got to love the bilingual blogging. n/t (none / 0)

LOL!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:24:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (1.00 / 0)

Find a non right wing source and maybe you will have some credibility.  This is a site for electing democrats.  Spewing right wing propaganda does nothing for your creds.


by temptxan on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:29:46 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 2)

Um, the New Republic isn't a right wing source.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:46:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 2)

Well there's other media people who have admitted to "swooning" over Obama:

Sorry. This "swoony" stuff was embarrassing ten years ago. At this point, it's well past inane:

ROSE (5/21/08): I am pleased to have Kurt Andersen back at this table. Welcome.

ANDERSEN: Great to be back.

ROSE: Here we have The Imperial City--all right? Look here: "About That Crush on Obama." You--like Michael Kinsley is saying--"I'm swooning."

ANDERSEN: Oh, and I've said it from the get-go. I have never--because this is a column, because I don't have to pretend like real journalists to be objective--

ROSE: It's opinion. Right.

ANDERSEN: --I've been unabashed about my fondness and, yes, my swooning for Obama.

ROSE: OK. Does it grow? And what is it that causes you to be so swoony? Obviously, for you to say this means that you've thought about this, and what is it about him?

ANDERSEN: Yes.

Daily Howler

(warning- Pro Clinton blog)

As always is the case, Digby put it best:

It is flattering to have all these fops of the village press corps drooling all over a big Democrat. But they have issues. Big ones. They have the attention spans of a six week old ferret and the fidelity of a cat in heat. It's extremely foolish to trust these abusers with our future. Caveat Emptor.


by skohayes on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:54:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 2)

I don't know much about The New Republic, but taking a quick glance at the website, it doesn't look at all like a conservative magazine. In fact, the vast majority of articles are very favorable to Democrats in general. Why are people saying it's a Republican magazine?


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:40:36 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 1)

It has a neocon foreign policy bent.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:44:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (none / 0)

The New Republic has been and continues to be a bastion of liberal thinking. It is a magazine that has a reputation that goes back many years. Perhaps critics aren't familiar with that history.

Calling it a Republican tool is patently ridiculous.

I don't always agree with them. At times, when Peretz gets his way, they do have a rigorous pro-Israel position which tends to the right slightly. (And I'm not sure he's even in control any longer.) But their other positions are liberal/progressive.

And, they had the good sense to rid themselves of Andrew Sullivan. His neocon, hate talk is not what they are about.


by cuppajoe on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:17:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Even setting aside (2.00 / 3)

The reliance on winger news...

Let's just accept as a hypothetical that the media is in the tank for the most likely Democratic nominee...

Tell me why that is a bad thing heading into the GE?


by zonk on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:45:20 AM EST

Re: Even setting aside (2.00 / 1)

I'm always intrigued by the pretzel manuevers necessary to answer that one.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:25:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]

There's two answers: (2.00 / 1)

1.  The media is in the bag for this candidate because they think they own this candidate, and think they can use this candidate to enact policies that will take things from citizens like you and me, and give then to corporations like General Electric and AOLTimeWarner.  

2.  The media is REALLY in the bag for McCain, and is attempting to dupe us into providing McCain with the weakest opposition and consequentially the best chance of winning.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:15:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Wow (none / 0)

That's some pretty awesome conspiracy theorizing.

Just a public service remainder.

Prolonged exposure to tinfoil, generally by wrapping it tightly around the head, has been known to lead to cauliflower ears.

You don't want to end up looking like Moe Szyslak do you?


by zonk on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:03:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wait.... Claiming that the media is pro-Republican (none / 0)

and pro-mega-corporation is "tin foil"?  

Really, it is?

On which planet?

This one?


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 05:07:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: There's two answers: (none / 0)

What happened to the million and a half and rising individual donors at $96 apiece?  I'd say Obama was in the tank for us in a big way!

Clinton is history, anyway, no need for this discussion.  


by ReillyDiefenbach on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:28:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (2.00 / 3)

I stopped watching MSNBC in October 2007.
Keith is simply an Obama whore and Chris just on revenge mission, because Bill Clinton did not tak him as a press secretary many years ago for good reasons.
Overall MSNBC idiots have an assignmnet from their corporate bosses to derail Hillary, because Obama is much weaker candidate and McCain has a chance against Obama and McCain will lose to Hillary:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Cl inton/Maps/May27.html
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:50:45 AM EST

This has been another edition (2.00 / 3)

of things the voices in my head insist are true.


by zonk on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:57:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (none / 0)

"an Obama whore"????
Please get your language out of the gutter.
McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:27:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (none / 0)

Um...do you watch Keith Olbermann?  It seems pretty appropriate to me, considering the way that man behaves.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:32:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (none / 0)

last time I saw him was fall of 2007.
Since than I am trying to avoid him, but I see you confirming my TV experience even now.
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:24:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (none / 0)

I guess in '07 you found his comments on Bush weren't "fair and balanced."


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:00:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Reporting the Facts..... (2.00 / 2)

is seen as bias.

Press reports:

Obama is a new candidate that draws crowds.

Clinton campaign dismisses as media bias.

Press reports:

The math is NOT in Clinton's favor.

Clinton dismisses the facts as media bias.

___

Whining doesn't become the feminist movement. Strong women can stand on their own, see reality, and acknowledge that the other candidate won.

Do you really want to teach your daughters to be poor sports and bad losers, by teaching them to not take accountability and blame others for their mistakes.

We had enough of that in the Bush years.


overthrow the government~participate
by missliberties on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:25:42 AM EST

Re: Reporting the Facts..... (2.00 / 2)

"Do you really want to teach your daughters to be poor sports and bad losers, by teaching them to not take accountability and blame others for their mistakes."--missliberties

Not quite. I assume we want to teach our daughters to be critical thinkers. Not to lie down and let media interests run over them. We also I assume want to teach them not to be readily seduced and swoon over dark handsome men, with boom box baritone voices offering promises hope and change. We also want them to choose critical thinking over Matthews and Olbermann. As such we want them to choose democracy not Obamocracy. We want them to choose aliegence to the nation not to one individual.


by superetendar on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:39:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Reporting the Facts..... (2.00 / 1)

Yes!  Well said!


by Mags on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:00:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Do you really want to teach your daughters that (2.00 / 1)

calling Obama's stance on the War in Iraq a fairytale is really calling Obama's entire candidacy a fairytale, just because General Electric wants you to think so?

Do you really want to teach your daughters that when Hillary mentions that Bill Clinton and RFK were still campaigning in June, that it means Hillary is secretly calling on all whackos to shoot Barack in the face?

Do you really want to teach your daughters that when Hillary claims there was sniper fire in Tuzla, and it turns out she was wrong, it is a horrible lie that 100% completely disqualifies her for the presidency?

Do you really want to teach your children that what Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews do on a "24 hour news station" is beneficial to the democratic process?

Shall I go on?


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:05:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Do you want to teach them... (none / 0)

Do you really want to teach your daughters that when Hillary claims there was sniper fire in Tuzla, and it turns out she was wrong, it is a horrible lie that 100% completely disqualifies her for the presidency?

... that when busted on it repeatedly after repeating it repeatedly they should dig their heels in and refuse to acknowledge that they made a mistake?


by kraant on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:09:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

DId Keith Olbermann tell you she refused to ackno- (none / 0)

wledge that she made a mistake?

That's what you claimed, right?

Let's check the tape:

that when busted on it repeatedly after repeating it repeatedly they should dig their heels in and refuse to acknowledge that they made a mistake?

From CNN.com:


updated 7:59 p.m. EDT, Tue March 25, 2008
Clinton says she 'misspoke' about sniper fire


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:36:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Facts my ass. (none / 0)

It is NOT a fact that Bill Clinton called Obama's entire campaign - a black man striving to be POTUS - a fairytale.  It has been conclusively established that he was talking about Obama's Iraq stance SEVERAL months ago.  Meanwhile, the talking heads are still LYING to us about it.

It is NOT a fact that Hillary called for Obama's assasination.  It has been conclusively established that she was making the point that sometimes nominations aren't wrapped up before June.  Meanwhile, the talking heads are still LYING to us about it.

So, which of these two examples do you feel I'm "whining" about as a "poor loser"?


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:11:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Caveat #3 (2.00 / 1)

This is an extremely misleading Diary Title.


by NeverNude on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:48:17 AM EST

You lost me (2.00 / 1)

when you included CNN and a bunch of websites.  MSNBC is pretty clearly pro-Obama, except for Crazy Joe.  But CNN isn't pro-Obama.  Lou Dobbs is on a personal crusade against him.

And how can you include the Huffington Post and TPM as part of the "corporate media"?

More generally, conspiracy theories like "the corporate media iz conspiring to pick Obama!1!" are nutty.  The motivations of the various players are a lot more varied and messy and cannot be accounted for by this simple-minded corporate masters/media puppets model.


by JJE on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:54:57 AM EST

I"ll give you Lou Dobbs... (2.00 / 1)

but this is what CNN did.

They either purged the station of CLinton supporters, neutered them, or insisted on pointing out their loyalties before they spoke, while turning almost their entire political coverage over to Obama supporters, without even identifying them as Obama supporters.

Guys like Carville and Begala are rarely seen nor heard, and when they are, CNN goes out of its way to inform the viewers who they support.

Roland Martin and Donna Brazille?  Well... not quite so much.  

In fact, I'm waiting for them to give Donna Brazille the Larry King slot, so she can interview Obama every night at 9:00 p.m.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:08:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Brazile is officially neutral (none / 0)

I grant that she seems to favor Obama.  Roland Martin obviously does but he's a radio host, not an official supporter.

Initially Begala and Carville were on all the time, but Obama complained.  CNN had initially barred both of them (and Zimmerman) but must have changed that policy since I see Begala on every night there's a primary.

These are rather minor quibbles.  In light of Lou Dobbs's insane Obama-hate, I don't think you can say that overall CNN is pro-Obama.

And my larger point that the overarching claim that "the corporate media wants Obama" is far too simplistic stands.


by JJE on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:15:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Emailed this article to my parents (1.00 / 0)

who had Keith Olbermann saved on their tivo. Yikes!


by catfish2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:02:02 AM EST

Re: MSNBC Obama Propaganda Exposed (none / 0)

Who gives a damn what the doofuses at MSNBC have to say? Here we go with "blaming the media for trying to hoodwink all those poor dumb saps who are too stupid to think for themselves" nonsense. MSNBC (and CNN, FOX, NR, etc.) do not have a monopoly on our news or thought processes. This is bellyaching about crap over which we have no control. Stop paying attention to them; that's why they keep up this self-important charade - because political junkies keep lapping it up and then whining about it.

That goes for all of you - Obama and Clinton supporters alike. Crimony.


by SuperTex on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:08:08 AM EST

When you see Obama supporters OUTRAGED at (none / 0)

Hillary for the lies their televisions told them, what other conclusions can you draw?

When you go to Daily Kos over last weekend, and see Keith Olbermann himself penning diaries with previews to his Special Comments bashing Clinton, and a request for Daily Kos members to watch his Special Comment, and then you see literally hundreds in not thousands and thousands of Daily Kos members proclaiming after reading Keith's diary, that Hillary is a disgusting human being and a potential murderer, what conclusions do you expect me to draw?

Some Obama supporters are no different than my mom's FoxNews watching boyfriend.  They spout off the RNC talking points that they learned from FoxNews almost verbatim, as if it were undeniable fact, just like Obama supporters spout of Keith Olbermann's lies and propaganda against the Clintons as if it were fact.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:24:34 AM EST
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Some Obama supporters are horrible people? Bless my soul! Stop the presses! The holier-than-thou act has grown tiresome, and it's just fuel for continued recrimination. Republicans are laughing at this party once again, and neither of the candidates' online supporters have given them reason to stop yet.

Blaming the media is code for "we've done a crappy job of playing the media, so we're gonna scream and yell and harangue them until we get the coverage we want". That seems to be one of two cards Camp Clinton has left. Will you let it all go if Obama has the numbers on June 4?  


by SuperTex on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:56:39 AM EST
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You really think the media can be played? (none / 0)

You really think that?

You really think that the Clintons have just done a bad job of communicating their message to Keith Olbermann's staff?

I just laughed out loud.  Thanks!


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:18:34 PM EST
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Sorry, I forgot that Olbermann is the king of all media now.  Somehow he quadrupled his audience share overnight and then nefariously unleashed his mind-control powers on millions of helpless Democrats who had been strapped to their La-Z-Boys, Clockwork Orange-style, by the Obamabot army....

Yes, the Clinton team has run a less-than-stellar campaign, and have been outplayed on the media front by Obama's team. That's part of the game, whether you like and agree with Keith or not.


by SuperTex on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:26:12 PM EST
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The media is going to do anything, say anything... that will make them the most money.  Period.  This is business.  

You can make it all about "us against them" and that they are liberal, or pro-this or that, etc etc... but it does not make it so.

They are in the market of information distribution.  They package it in whatever way sells the most of it.  Period.

Any normal person has to see through the wrapper and find the facts that matter to them.

You trying to demonize this industry for the way it does business by "exposing" their bias, and thus threatening to vote for the Republican candidate,  (who is obviously such a maverick and is fighting all these corporate interests) is really quite sad.

I know you have nothing positive left, but playing on peoples fears with conspiracies does not become you.


by herenow on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:14:48 AM EST

First, I NEVER said I'd vote for McCain. Second, (none / 0)

The media is going to do anything, say anything... that will make them the most money.  Period.  This is business.  

You can make it all about "us against them" and that they are liberal, or pro-this or that, etc etc... but it does not make it so.

YOu're missing a very important piece to this puzzle.  They will do or say anything to make the most money for their parent corporation, not their news division.  For example, MSNBC would be willing to lose money in its news division, if it could push propaganda aimed at allowing G.E. Financial to dupe more students into expensive college loans.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:26:16 AM EST
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So if you don't trust any of the above news sources, how exactly do you get your news?  I notice that Fox was not on your list.


by rfahey22 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:43:25 AM EST

I do what I grew up watching my Dad do. I watch (none / 0)

as the news serves up the propaganda, and then I yell the truth at the television. /semisnark

I get my news mainly from the internet.  I started with my local newspapers, CNN, Daily Kos, Huffington Post, and Talking Points Memo.  Unfortunately, most of those (national) outlets have gone in the tank for Obama, and you no longer get anything but propaganda from from them, so I don't rely on them too much anymore.  

I also keep CNN and MSNBC on in the background while I get dressed for work/undressed from work, and I sometimes listen to CNN on XM Radio, and Air America radio on my local affiliate, on the way to/from work.  

I would only turn on Fox (or visit their website), if I wanted Republican propaganda instead of news, much like I would only turn on MSNBC these days for Obama propaganda instead of news.

PS:  And I know I'm veering off topic, but do people really believe that Joe Scarborough likes Hillary Clinton?  The reality is, he's got a crush on Mika Brzinski (sp?), whose entire family is on Obama's payroll, and he cheerleads Clinton to toy with Mika, like a schoolboy pulls the hair of a girl he secretly has a crush on.  Anyone who doesn't get that is missing the point, IMO.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:05:15 PM EST
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I want a candidate who the media... (none / 0)

...isn't in the tank for.  I want one the media despises. That is the only clear path to victory!

Wake up!


by Rumproast on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:59:54 AM EST

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We should lock O'Reilly and Olberman in the same room. We should arm both of them with Boxing Gloves,Knives,Guns,Swords,Golf Clubs,Baseball Bats. and let them take care of each other. We should record the physical altercation with O'Reilly and Olberman on Live Television and YouTube.


by nkpolitics on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:04:05 AM EST

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Or we can just see Olberman slaughter the republicans every night on his show.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:05:53 AM EST
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you mean all of those chickenhawks who wear flagpins and say real marines don't cut and run. If those Republicans are afraid of physically harming Olberman, They should not send other people to fight in unnecassary and illegal wars.


by nkpolitics on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:43:05 AM EST
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Look at the shiny thing..
there is only one candidate being protected

It is McCAIN


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:07:25 AM EST

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Oh yeah..
THIS IS A CUT AND PAST JOB!
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:13:33 AM EST

Which you didn't read before commenting, which I (none / 0)

believe is against site rules.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:06:13 PM EST
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..I did mean past..as this is typical of what you  have posted before.
Your rec's are like alegre/linfer..

by the way you DID know that the State Party Chairs of CO and OR endorsed Obama today right?


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:16:25 AM EST

Your fears are completely justifiable (none / 0)

They have not vetted him, they've even suppressed information about him.

This is in spite of the fact that he arrived on the national scene in December of last year, so one might think they would be more "intellectually curious."

This same general group are the ones actually responsible for giving us George Bush and the Iraq War, in spite of silly arguments here to the contrary.

So why this propaganda arm has chosen Obama so forcefully in between giving us updates on the whereabout of major artist Lindsay Lohan is a mystery.

Their track record is horrible.  Their excuses for Reverend Wright are crazy since nobody even asked what the financial and political relationship was between these two figures-- questions that would have persisted to this day for McCain or Clinton, leaves one knowing something is afoot.

And it is not good.


by chieflytrue on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:19:57 PM EST


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