Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it!

Sorry to have to do such a short diary. I'd intended, and probably still will, write a longer piece on unity and such, but I just found this. And I want anyone, no matter the side, who says they'll stomp their feet and won't vote for the nominee if their candidate doesn't get the nod to look at this.

Look at this EVERY TIME you say that. Then, come back and tell us you still won't vote for the nominee.



Display:


Powerful (2.00 / 12)

Powerful diary.  



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:27:47 AM EST

Re: Powerful (none / 0)

Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it!

Yeah,...and you can too!


by Check077 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:16:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

People like you are not doing anything to help him (none / 0)

thats for sure..

Maybe if they can be convinced hes not involved.. (doubtful) they might vote out of pity..


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
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by architek on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:19:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: People like you are not doing anything to help (none / 0)


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:34:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Powerful (2.00 / 1)

Obama has failed to win the nomination outright in the primary and caucus process. Over 17 million voters have voted for Hillary Clinton, and he will be hard-pressed to exceed her total, even on a generous interpretation of the data.

No candidate in the history of presidential elections has ever conceded prior to the Convention with the amount of support that Clinton has, even when it was reasonably clear they were trailing in the various delegate counts.

I can understand why Obama supporters are disappointed, but Clinton isn't beating him in the backrooms (indeed, it is Obama who has the clear edge there). Clinton has been beating him out on the stump, even though he's outspending her and has far more favorable free media. She also beats McCain:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107539/Hillar y-Clintons-SwingState-Advantage.aspx

If anyone needs to "get over it," it's Obama and his supporters.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:36:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 20)

Really. What more can I say?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:28:18 AM EST

This is one gets me everytime. (2.00 / 1)


by StellarEvolution on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:54:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (none / 0)

if I could rec you, I would. That is all.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:43:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I saw the pic (2.00 / 4)

over on DKos a while ago (or was it here done by freedom).

Anyway very powerful.

Recced.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:28:56 AM EST

Yet another excellent reason not to (2.00 / 9)

sulk in November. Thanks for reminding us... Recommended.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:44:34 AM EST

Give me strength Lord... (2.00 / 11)

I got a buddy who was in iraq in the cav scouts.  They got hit pretty hard and ended up taking 3 casuaties.  My buddy had to ride with the bodies of his freinds.  He can't get over it.  PTSD.

So many people are never going to be the same. Family and friends of soldiers killed in action, soldier who come back unable to ajust, military marriges that break apart due to 15 month deployments. The wounded. I can't get my mind around it.

I hope we win in November.


People say that your dreams are the only thing that save ya, come on baby in our dreams we can live on misbehavior- Arcade Fire
by HIsoldier on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:56:27 AM EST

We will win (2.00 / 7)

but we need everyone's help.

And then hopefully we can get some mental-fucking-health care for our vets who come home from Bush's war with PTSD instead of pretending that PTSD doesn't exist.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:10:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

We are giving millions of Americans PTSD (none / 0)

by not having universal healthcare..

I am serious..  thats what happens when you go through being really sick with no insurance and your  life disintegrates around you.

You get very real PTSD.


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
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by architek on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:23:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We are giving millions of Americans PTSD (none / 0)

 . . . No.  I'm sorry, as an American without insurance, I can tell you that it does not compare.


by brathor on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:41:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We are giving millions of Americans PTSD (none / 0)

Please describe how Obama's healthcare plan will deny someone coverage.


by BlueInBoston on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:14:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: We are giving millions of Americans PTSD (none / 0)

I have never had health insurance in my life. Furthermore, my family is so poor we're living off donated food. I find your comparison disgustingly callous.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:45:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Compelling (2.00 / 10)

I'm sorry for your friend's loss.  It's the fault of BushCo. and his regime.  

Still I would caution against demagoguery and using personal tragedy to guilt people into voting one way or another.  I think we've seen a lot of that on the site today.  

The wonkish attention to details is part of why I support Sen. Clinton's foreign policy and position to end the war responsibly and prevent future foreign policy disasters.  It's not fair to cast Hillary's supporters as war-enablers when we are anything but.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:59:06 AM EST

Re: Compelling (2.00 / 15)

Clinton supporters ARE anything but war-enablers.

Clinton supporters who vote for McCain to get revenge for the fact that their candidates chance was blown to be president...well, they deserve everything that comes to them, don't they?

The choice is very, very clear in this election regarding Iraq.  


by AlexScott on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:10:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

but of course you will vote for McSame if she gets it, but hey that's just 'the right thing to do' in your eyes it seems.

Go a problem being blamed for what 15-20% of what some of BHO supporters say, or at least what the polls like to say? Learn to deal with it or stop it your own dammed self.


by zerosumgame on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:02:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (2.00 / 1)

huh?


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:05:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

Yeah...."huh?" is exactly right.  I have no idea what that person was trying to say.


by AlexScott on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:15:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Reading a little into what I wrote (2.00 / 16)

I am a soldier. I was posting a personal story that I felt went very well with the context of the diary.  I do feel that somewhere in the counting of super dels and the over analysis of everything our canidates say, we have forgotten there is a war on.

I don't think Hillary nor her supporters are war enablers. She says that if she is elected prez she will get troops out as soon as is possible.  I take her at her word.  I don't like that she voted AUMF, which is why I back Obama, but I do know there are other reasons to support her and that she is a damn sight better than McCain.

All that being said, I want the war done with.  We as a country are less secure with our army involved in the middle of a bloody civil war.  Our troops are within striking distance by every dingbat fundy and guy with a grudge.  We don't have as much of an ablility to deter North Korea using conventional forces or respond to other world events that may threaten our interests.  So thats why I think staying in Iraq is a bad idea.

and the reasons for going to war were BS.


People say that your dreams are the only thing that save ya, come on baby in our dreams we can live on misbehavior- Arcade Fire
by HIsoldier on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:15:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So you must Support BO in wanting to increase (none / 0)

Penatagon spending even if it means cutting healthcare and education, right?


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
Confused by the 'Bailout' Lies?
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by architek on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:26:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So you must Support BO in wanting to increase (none / 0)

Evidence please.


by Yalin on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:01:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: So you must Support BO in wanting to increase (none / 0)

SO you support HRC even though she wants to eat baby hearts and kick puppies?

See how we have the exact same amount of proof behind our claims?


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:08:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (2.00 / 5)

BPK80, I think perhaps you misread the intent of the diary. It wasn't about anyone supporting Clinton now, it was about supporting the nominee in November.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 06:12:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, please (2.00 / 2)

It's an attempt at emotional blackmail from a well-known agitator. I'm personally not falling for it.

My condolences to the soldier's family.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:39:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, please (2.00 / 2)

It is emotional blackmail.

It is also making a very valid point about what is at stake here.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:03:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, please (2.00 / 6)

Next we'll hear that making a convincing argument is logical blackmail.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:05:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, please (2.00 / 1)

I don't have an emotional connection to anybody who posts on MyDD.   Therefore I can not emotionally blackmail anyone who posts on MyDD.


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:37:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, please (none / 0)

Ugh.  Your comments make my stomach feel sour.

Seriously.


"Not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who's embarrassingly superior to me." -- Jon Stewart, 4/15/08
by JulieinVT on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:19:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, please (none / 0)

Do you deny that the Republican and Democratic nominees will have very different positions on the war??

Do you understand the cost of supporting the Republican nominee?

That is the point here.


by BlueInBoston on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:17:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh, please (none / 0)

It's sad that people in America are so sheltered that reality becomes emotional blackmail.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:47:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

I understand that.  I don't believe that opposition to the war requires voting for Obama in all circumstances.  I'm currently more openminded on the November election than I thought I would be a year ago.  

If Obama wins the nomination fairly, it's easier to rally around him.  But many of us are wary of his executive ability and potential long-term damage to the party as a result either of this primary or sullying the Democratic brand with a failed or extremist presidency.  I don't want to live through decades of anti-Democratic backlash like my parents did, starting in 2012 and beyond.  It's because I'm a Democrat that I consider these things, not in spite of it.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:43:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (2.00 / 2)

Sorry, but I just don't buy the "wary of his executive ability" argument. Its never been about his inexperience (or what you consider inexperience). It's just about the fact that he beat Hillary, all these other reasons not to vote for him were manufactured.

And as for the war. Voting for McCain continues the war. The diary may be a cheap shot, but its completely true and gets to the heart of the issue.

People who voted for Bush in 2000 were stupid, but arn't responsible for his mistakes. But, just as I think every person who voted for Bush in 2004 is responsible for every death in Iraq after that, I believe a vote for McCain is the same. It not like both McCain and Obama claim they will end the war and we just don't trust McCain. He's said explicitly he will not end it. So yes, vote for him or stay home and you should think about the death of every soldier and Iraqi after that. And I won't pity you. But, that said, its your decision to make.


by BlueGAinDC on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:47:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

Thanks for the response.

FTR, executive ability is broader than mere experience.  I'm not making a formal "argument" against him, just stating an opinion.  

Rest assured, the war and the federal courts (Cicruit Courts and Federal District Courts, not just the Supreme Court) are on my mind.  Many factors go into this decision and no single factor is exclusively dispositive.  In my opinion, winning the nomination by unseating Michigan and Florida delegations militates against voting for Obama.  For all of his other faults I find (and I've always been consistent with this position), nothing would set me off more than relying on a shrinking of the nation as a coup to stage a win.  The complicity of Dean, Brazile, Pelosi, and others who I have become less than fond of is just salt in the wound.  I understand in politics there is always a lot of shady under-the-table stuff going on, but nuking two states is going way too far.  

There's no point committing to any vote right now either way given that so much has yet to unfold.  I've done a lot of writing, volunteering, and other stuff on behalf of Dem candidates in the past.  Under ordinary circumstances, I'd be shilling for Dem. nominee already by this time of the year.    


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:39:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (2.00 / 1)

"...wary of his executive experience.."

It's interesting that you would point to his (lack of) executive experience as a reason to consider not voting for him, or, I assume, even voting for McCain.

Hillary has no more executive experience than does Obama (I do not credit her time in the White House as executive experience).  

Indeed the one metric we can use at this point to measure their respective abilities at running a large enterprise would be how they have run their presidential campaigns.

One campaign spent its money wisely, planned long term, was free of (public) infighting, and revolutionized the method and scope of political fundraising.

The other campaign rested on laurels of 'inevitability,' spent profligately (including millions on clueless consultants), leaked information and discontent like a sieve, planned for the short term, and relied on outdated fundraising techniques.

I'll leave it to you to figure out which campaign was which.  If we're going to judge executive experience, let's start with how each has handled the strategy, finances, and staffing of their presidential campaigns.

(For that matter, look at what a disaster the McCain campaign has been.  He has made horrible staffing decisions, has no money, and has been breaking campaign laws written by the candidate himself!  His strategy seemed to amount to "Well, at least I'm slighty better than the rest of these jokers." Not the kind of person I want in the Big Chair.)


by cato on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:20:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

I'd like to point out that the poster said "wary of executive ABILITY" which you have morphed into "executive EXPERIENCE" in order to attack the straw man (or woman) of your choice. Even as a Hillary supporter, I never found the experience argument very compelling - it's sure not the main reason I support her - but executive experience and executive ability are not the same thing. One can have one and not the other. Just based on their personalities (because, truth be told, neither one of them has much direct executive experience), I would feel a lot more comfortable betting on Hillary's executive ability than Barack's. Focus, drive and hard work just seem to correlate better with executive ability, in my opinion, than eloquence and inspiration. That being said, I'm still going to work my heart out for Obama (while keeping my fingers crossed regarding his ability to handle the job once he gets it).


Rules for Life: Do not annoy others; Do not be too easily annoyed.
by Not the only Dem in KS on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:09:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You can honestly say this (none / 0)

knowing what we know about each campaign? One campaign in debt, one campaign with 40 million cash on hand? One campaign with constant turmoil in it's upper ranks? One campaign with no strategy for the caucus states and all states after 2/5? Okay, running a superior campaign doesn't count for everything, but it is the one thing upon which we can measure their executive abilities equally.

Just sayin'


by 79blondini on Wed May 28, 2008 at 05:01:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

That was unintentional on my part, however, my argument stands whether we're talking about ability or experience.

Your comment seems to indicate that you believe Obama is all eloquence and inspiration, but lacks focus, drive, and hard work.

I disagree completely.  I don't know how he would've made it as far as he has without all the characteristics described above (Hillary too).


by cato on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:49:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

That is a good point and duly noted.


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 03:42:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (2.00 / 1)

He is casting Hillary Supporters as that.

Support Hillary all you want until we have a nominee.

But don't support "bomb bomb bomb" McCain and
throw our nominee under the bus if Clinton doesn't win.  And a lot of folks have said they would.  They need to reconsider.


by rickNTX on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:48:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

Hillary supporters who turn their back on the party and vote for McCain WILL BE war enablers.

That's the point.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:24:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Compelling (none / 0)

The problem with your comment is that this is not a "personal tragedy" but the effect of an ongoing political calamity.  The way to address this is to unify behind a nominee who wants to do something about it.  Displaying the effects of this irresponsible atrocity producing policy in order to solidify opposition is not the same as exploiting "personal tragedy" for partisan purposes.


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:03:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 8)

If karma exists, and I believe to a certain degree it does, I know people who do "revenge voting" are at the top of the list for some good ol' fashioned retribution.  How dare they mess around with this stuff.

God Bless every one of those kids and God Bless their families. Those pictures are haunting.  


by AlexScott on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:06:19 AM EST

wow (2.00 / 10)

A powerful case for getting a any Democrat in the White House with few words


John McCain the flip-flopper...
by chinapaulo on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:06:59 AM EST

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 2)

You make a powerful intellectual and emotional case for putting forward the best ticket to defeat John McCain: a ticket that ensures that there are as few defections as possible from the 99.5% of voters who will not see your powerful diary; a ticket that requires no candidate's supporters to go home empty-handed and bitter; a ticket that Democrats from all demographic groups can support wholeheartedly.

It should be obvious by now where I'm going with this. I know you to be one of the more passionate Obama supporters on this site. Will you now join with those of us who support a unity ticket?


by STUBALL on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:13:21 AM EST

I wouldn't mind a unity ticket (2.00 / 2)

I think that whoever wins should not declare the offer right away, allowing some of the primary fire to cool down, but its not a bad idea.


People say that your dreams are the only thing that save ya, come on baby in our dreams we can live on misbehavior- Arcade Fire
by HIsoldier on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:22:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I wouldn't mind a unity ticket (2.00 / 1)

How does one insert those cute italicized quotes below the posts?


by STUBALL on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:27:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I wouldn't mind a unity ticket (2.00 / 2)

under menu on the top right corner of the page, go to STUBALL.  You should go to your user page.  Then choose Display from your menu of user options. When your in Display, there should be a text box where you can write your signature line in.


People say that your dreams are the only thing that save ya, come on baby in our dreams we can live on misbehavior- Arcade Fire
by HIsoldier on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:38:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (none / 0)

How incredibly selfish can you be.  Hillary Clinton could suffer a stroke tommorrow!  Are you still going to send these men back to Iraq.  We do need to seriously cut the shit.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:52:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

ah, opportunism. (1.33 / 3)

anything can be twisted as an argument to undeservedly reward your war-authorizing failed candidate, can't it?

the kid in the box in the photo above is IN that box as a direct consequence of a decision made by Hillary "AUMF" Clinton. That kid's blood is on HER grasping hands, as well as those of every single other gutless unfit-for-command asshole who voted for AUMF along with her.

"unity ticket"...hah. whatever. it's not going to happen, regardless of the wishes and dreams of the wolfsonian pissantry.


by rabidnation on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:28:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No no and no. (2.00 / 3)

Clinton voted to authorize this bloody mess.
As recently as last year, she supported the surge.
This year, she jumped up and applauded during the State of the Union speech when Bush said the surge is working.
She voted to continue to allow the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
She voted for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment.
She threatened to obliterate Iran.
She is a hawk, through and through, a staunch supporter of Israel no matter what, and surrounds herself with career hawks such as Holbrooke and Albright.
There are consequences for getting it consistently wrong, Hillary supporters, and that includes not being allowed to force your way onto the ticket.
She and Obama are totally incompatible on foreign policy.
by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:34:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Lets look at the things you said critically.. (1.00 / 1)

Bluntly, I think your trying to tar Hillary with the blame for the Iraq war is a little ludicrous.

Especially when you consider that the right were the people who supported Saddam for so long and then were shortsighted and foolish enough not to remove him when we had the chance in 1992.. (maybe they were trying to maximize the income stream from war!?)

Also, your dear messiah Obama wants to INCREASE PENTAGON SPENDING, did you realize that?


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
Confused by the 'Bailout' Lies?
Listen to NPR's The Giant Pool of Money
by architek on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:40:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 7)

Ragekage - you keep us all honest and sane.

A friend of mine is a commander of a US armoured brigade. He's back in Iraq for the fourth time. He knows now that is was a disaster going on, but he's a good guy, and does his best for the people on the ground. He cares about the Iraqis, and I told him that Obama, exercising great conscience and bravery in his initial judgments about invasion, will exercise the same judgment and conscience about withdrawal. His response.

"Obama will be a nice change"

Thanks for these pictures, which remind us all of the human loss - those promising young men.


The Moose is Loose!
by duende on Wed May 28, 2008 at 05:39:35 AM EST

He's comparing Obama to Bush.. (1.00 / 1)

and in that respect he's probably right..

except for the fact that since Obama wants to increase Pentagon spending, less money will be available even than now, for the things that really matter, like education and healthcare. Thats why Obama is fighting universal healthcare.


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Ep isode.aspx?sched=1242
Confused by the 'Bailout' Lies?
Listen to NPR's The Giant Pool of Money
by architek on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:43:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

TR'd (none / 0)

For saying that Obama is closely comparable to Bush.  I can hardly think of a more dreadful and untrue insult.


Check out McCain.
by you like it on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:26:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (1.42 / 7)

I'm having a hard time just voting Democratic this year because of the do nothing Democratic Congress.  Clinton and Obama are two do nothing Senators from that congress that failed to end the Iraq War or hold Bush and Cheney accountable.  Since that congress took over in Jan 07 over 1700 have died in Iraq.  Now I'm supposed to believe Clinton and Obama when they say they'll end the war.  In your dreams, we'll be in Iraq for the next ten years no matter who is in the White House!


by orionwest on Wed May 28, 2008 at 06:24:45 AM EST

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (1.85 / 7)

Oh goody.  Another concern troll.


I'm only a click away
by juliewolf on Wed May 28, 2008 at 06:37:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 4)

How many McCain Blogger points do you get per comment?


by rf7777 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:21:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

This comment doesn't doesn't warrant a TR. (none / 0)

There are many Democrats and independents, myself included, who feel this way.


by JimR on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:44:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This comment doesn't doesn't warrant a TR. (2.00 / 2)

So what did you do to FIGHT against the DLC and BushDog Democrat coalition that fought tooth and nail to stay in Iraq.

Call out all those Congressmen.

The BushDogs do have blood on their hands.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:51:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 1)

I have always voted for a Democrat for president since 1972. This year is going to be very difficult for me. The shabby treatment that Hillary Clinton has gotten from the media and the Democratic Party establishment really burns me. The messiah like treatment that the media has given Senator Obama was way over the top.
  At this time I feel that the only way I could vote for Obama is if he chooses Hillary for vice-president.....a unity ticket would help me cross that line and come back to the party.
  Otherwise I will vote for a third party. I can't bring myself to vote for McCain. I also can't bring myself to vote for Obama if Hillary is not on the ticket.
tom the letter carrier
by tom the letter carrier on Wed May 28, 2008 at 06:44:17 AM EST

a plea to start again (2.00 / 8)

If you let those outside forces make you vote against your best interests then they win, and you lose. Take a look at those photos again. Then take a look at Obama and McCain. McCain would be more than happy for you to either vote for him, or sit it out, as long as you don't vote for Obama. This diarist has given us a grim reminder of things more important than you or me.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:38:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: a plea to start again (2.00 / 5)

We need to get ready, because I have a feeling the right-wing media is going to start praising Hillary and criticizing Democrats for being unfair to Hillary and her supporters.  I heard clips of Rush Limbaugh's radio show where he was encouraging angry women to call in and vent.  I mean, Rush Limbaugh.  He was one of the worst, most vicious anti-Clinton critics during the 1990's.  But they're doing it and they're going to continue doing it.  We need to be ready for it.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:02:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, yes, yes. Uncle Rushy's here. (2.00 / 4)

Just put your head on my shoulder. Wait I'll put down the cigar. Yes, yes, yes. I know that stupid Democrat Party has been mean to you. We have just what you need over here. That's it. Drink up. Here's an Oxycontin to go with your GOP Juice. There. Doesn't it feel much better to give up all of your convictions and become egotistical and self-centered. Of course it does. Uncle Rushy's here for you.

You're right. The GOP is certainly going to make a play for Democrats who feel ill treated.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:11:41 AM EST
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Re: Yes, yes, yes. Uncle Rushy's here. (none / 0)

Oh come off it.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:38:51 AM EST
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Re: a plea to start again (2.00 / 1)

Faux News has already started doing that. Unfortunately, the Hillary campaign has been complicit in this, by all of a sudden becoming best friends with the network of the Right.


by Rhizomorph on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:50:15 AM EST
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Re: a plea to start again (none / 0)

Oh, the gall of that man. He is one of the worst  most vicious misogynistic sexist gasbags in the right wing media.


by ces on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:40:00 PM EST
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Re: a plea to start again (none / 0)

I live overseas, so I listen to podcasts of all the Sunday news shows.  Today, I listened to Fox News Sunday and the conservatives on the roundtable at the end of the show were talking about how unfair the media was being to Hillary over the RFK flap.

They're going to try to play with our emotions.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:21:42 PM EST
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Re: a plea to start again (1.00 / 2)

I would LOVE the opportunity to be able to vote my best interests.  Unfortunately, the Democratic Party has winnowed out their best candidates and given us these two mopes who lacked the courage to lead the charge against White House tyranny and bring an immediate end to the Iraq occupation.  The Senate records of both Obama and Clinton are uninspiring.  Once again, the Democratic Party is forcing me to "game out" the Presidential Election in November and choose the least offensive candidate.  


by pascal1947 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:25:54 AM EST
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Re: a plea to start again (none / 0)

Mopes?
Nice.
You're not thinking, therefore you aren't.

Being taken seriously.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:41:13 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 4)

Tom, what part of the Democratic party establishment has given Hillary Clinton shabby treatment?  Seriously. If you had said the media has behaved badly, I would understand but not the Democratic party.  

Hillary started with a stacked deck against a lesser known candidate.  She lost.  The loser doesn't get to choose the terms with the winner.  If she's on the ticket, fine, but that shouldn't be a pre-condition.


by zadura on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:08:04 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (none / 0)

tom, please read my diary that I posted last night.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/27/2125 57/815#commenttop

this might help.  It helped me.  I feel like a great weight has been lifted, as my heart is free.  


by colebiancardi on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:39:15 AM EST
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Things for you to think about (2.00 / 2)

Iraq.
Supreme Court.
Economy.
Environment.
Iran.
Korea.
Health Care.

Please, don't throw your vote away.


No way. No how. No McCain. . . . . . If you can ship a job to Bangalore India, you can ship a job to Flint Michigan.
by NJ Liberal on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:45:16 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 3)

I just saw a story about a Marine combat sniper.  When he was describing some of the aspects of his job, longest kill, funniest etc. he mentioned the number 100's.  It was the number that did it.  His body looked like it lost animation.  Like he had given a piece of his soul with every trigger pull and was subject to reliving a kill at least once evry 5 minutes.  His mind will never be the same and not for the good.  Not to mention the 100's of dead Iraqis many of them even he thought deaths were dubious.

You will vote for this?
God bless you.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:58:04 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 2)

This year is going to be very difficult for me. The shabby treatment that Hillary Clinton has gotten from the media and the Democratic Party establishment really burns me.

How is that Obama's fault? How is that our soldiers' fault? How is that the fault of the person whose house is being foreclosed? How is that the fault of women who may loose their right to choose? Because those are all the people who will pay if McCain is elected into office. Seriously, you're exhibiting the emotional maturity of a 10-year-old child. You need to grow up a realize what's at stake in this election. The next president will either be John McCain or Barack Obama, NOT a third party candidate. And by not supporting one of those two, you WILL be supporting the other, whether you want to admit it to yourself or not.
by Rhizomorph on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:48:40 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (none / 0)

When I read posts like yours Tom, I weep for our country.

Enjoy President McCain and all the debt, death, and horror that will follow him into office.


by cato on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:31:35 PM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (none / 0)

If you are willing to let personality politics decide your vote for the American President you really aren't very serious about politics and should spend your time trolling PerezHilton.com instead of MyDD.


by BlueInBoston on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:18:49 PM EST
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Wow! (2.00 / 13)

That's such a heartbreaking photo.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  Barack Obama is almost certain to be the nominee and he will absolutely, positively, beyond any shadow of a doubt have my vote.  When Hillary holds his hand and says, "I endorse Senator Obama," I think the overwhelming majority of her supporters will do the same.  Most of the people who are saying they won't support the nominee just haven't had time yet.  Most of us, myself included, aren't throwing in the towel until Hillary says its over.

I think Bill Clinton once said something like you vote with your heart in the primaries, but on election day, you vote with your head.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Wed May 28, 2008 at 06:55:11 AM EST

the quote (2.00 / 2)

"fall in love, then fall in line"

-bill clinton, harkin steak fry, 2003


Visit us at TexasKAOS, where we're taking Texas back!
by annatopia on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:36:15 AM EST
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Re: the quote (none / 0)

haha, that quote rules.  I had never seen it before.


Tony Romo for Secretary of Awesome
by kasjogren on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:11:14 PM EST
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Re: Wow! (none / 0)

Truer words were never spoken.  I voted for slippery Bill and mourned Al Gore in '92.  
Just think how much better things would have turned out.
by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:44:29 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 2)

Right the heck on

Thank you


by fightbull on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:22:22 AM EST

What a morning. (2.00 / 8)

I've praised Canadian Gal, rec'd a diary critical of some Obama supporters, and now this. I'm feeling particularly grounded this morning. Thank you diarist for reminding me it isn't about me.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:41:00 AM EST

Best. Diary. Of. The. Month. (2.00 / 7)

Thank you.
Anyone on this site who votes for McSame, or advoates voting for him, or writes about their hatred for Barack, should hang their republican slimy heads in shame. Misery. And they should be banned.  They are not Democrats. They are Republicans to the core, and belong at Free Republic. The fact that they are allowed to post their disgusting, shameful, hate filled insane rants against a our next Democratic nominee is beyond the pale at this site. Just beyond the freaking pale.
I support our nominee President Barack Obama - and the Admins can't stand me, so I can't rec or rate. This is very mean if you were to ask me.
by TheFullBerry on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:02:55 AM EST

I agree (none / 0)

I would also say Hillary bashers are also not worthy of being called Democrats.


by Christopher Lib on Wed May 28, 2008 at 04:22:19 PM EST
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Why, because she's about to concede? (none / 0)

It's relevant and constructive to offer reasoned criticism of any candidate (including Obama, which I've done).  If you don't want to know why many people including crappy comedians and myself believe Hillary has no core principles, you're free not to read our comments.

I'm sorry I wasn't critical enough of Keith Olbermann for you.  Please remove the "hide" rating you gave my last comment, it doesn't meet the criteria.


by corph on Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 02:33:33 PM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 5)

One of my two or three closest friends in the world ships out in two weeks.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:15:20 AM EST

I have a friend over there also (2.00 / 6)

He threatens to 'personally kick the ass of anyone he hears about voting for McCain.'  A lot of the Officers are still Bush supporters but according to him the grunts are shifting hard to the Dems.  They can see first-hand what a fuster cluck it is over there.


by protothad on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:17:38 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 13)

My brother is being sent to Iraq for the second time.  We endured a year of hell and now we will endure another.  He is 46 years old with 4 kids and a bad shoulder.  As far as I am concerned I will hold anyone who refuses to vote for the democratic nominee responsible if he gets sent home in a transfer tube.

I don't care that you are not part of the decision to send him this second time, you will have demonstrated by your refusal to vote for the democratic nominee that you don't give a shit about my brother's life or the lives of his comrads in arms and you will have made it possible that if he gets back alive this time, they will send him again and again and again till he doesn't.


by oldbattleaxe on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:07:49 AM EST

Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 5)

Mojo for you, and I hope your brother comes home safe.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:13:09 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 3)

Thank you.  


by oldbattleaxe on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:18:09 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 2)

I am sorry your brother has to return to that place. Ending that war should be priority #1, #2, & #3.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:39:01 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 2)

Much sympathy. My girlfriend's brother got so tired of waiting to get called back he tried to re-up; luckily (?) he failed the physical and won't have to go back at all.

Good luck to your family and all those serving.


John McCain
by Mandoliniment on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:28:14 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 2)

That's really what it boils down to, you diehards.  
Life and death versus your anger.
One hundred years and bomb bomb bomb Iran or one brigade a month withdrawn, as per Obama's plan.
Get with the program or get more young people killed, it's that fucking simple.
 
by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:50:49 AM EST
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Mojo and prayers for you. (2.00 / 1)

One of my best friends is on his stop-loss tour in Iraq.  He's supposed to be married to my friend Nyssa when he gets back, but they can't even set a date for the wedding because the higher-ups keep talking about extending his tour of duty.

Anybody who votes for McCain is voting to kill Dusty and his comrades in arms, no two ways about it.  And if any Democrats do it, they're going to answer to me and Nyssa.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:18:45 PM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 9)

I agree wholeheartedly with your underlying message. I am a Clinton supporter, but I have every intention of supporting the nominee of our party with my time, money and vote - no matter who that might be. However, I really wonder if the Obama people who are calling so fervently for Hillary's supporters to put aside their feelings for the sake of the party and the country would put their own time, money and votes where their mouths are if Hillary should wind up the nominee. I know that is unlikely to happen (although anything that would wipe the smirk off Tim Russert's face ought to be appealing to any thinking person, IMHO), but what if it did? Would Senator Obama's supporters still be calling for party unity, or would they be screaming that "she stole it," and declaring their intention to sit out the GE or vote for McCain or Nader or Barr or anyone but Hillary? I've been sucking it up and voting for Democratic nominees who were not my first (or even second or third) choice for more years than I care to count, so I know what I'll do this time around. Can I get a show of hands from Senator Obama's supporters - how many of you would support Senator Clinton if she gets the nomination?


Rules for Life: Do not annoy others; Do not be too easily annoyed.
by Not the only Dem in KS on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:10:51 AM EST

YES YES YES (2.00 / 6)

I know some Obama supporters have said otherwise but mostly that is just the passion of the primaries talking.  If Clinton manages to pull off the upset win, I will swallow my pride, lace up my shoes, and charge back into the battle to make sure she beats McCain.  This election is too important to do otherwise.


by protothad on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:22:27 AM EST
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Re: YES YES YES (2.00 / 1)

It would hurt for a week or two at this point, but I'd hit the streets for her here in NC.


by patooker on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:32:31 AM EST
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Re: YES YES YES (2.00 / 1)

Yes, we all would do.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:51:21 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 2)

Um yes i would.  I would curse, and scream, because I am not so much pro Obama as anti Hillary.  I'm afraid I've taken every slight she's given to Black people in this election very personally in light of the strict loyalty i've shown the Clintons in the past.  Yet as my stylus is hovering over Cynthia McKinney I'll still vote for Hillary because F-ING MCCAIN CANT WIN!!  Even in California where she would win without my vote.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:04:00 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (2.00 / 2)

This actually already happened to me in 2004.  I was pretty vehemently against Kerry in the primaries, but I volunteered for him in the general.  Would I have made more time for my first choice?  I can't deny that, but I did work damned hard for Kerry even though he wasn't my favorite.


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:09:58 AM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (none / 0)

Me too.  Kerry as the nominee inspired a great big "Ugh..." from me, but I went to Nevada to get out the vote for him.  I love my country enough to fight for any Democratic nominee.


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:26:16 AM EST
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Same here (none / 0)

I was a Dean supporter but canvased my neighborhood for Kerry.  Heck, I even volunteered my house as a local GOTV headquarters.

And that is what I did for the Dem candidate I didn't like (he was running against Bush after all).  As an Obama supporter, I will do at least as much for Hillary.


by protothad on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:29:21 AM EST
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Re: Same here (2.00 / 1)

I don't understand the Kerry disgust on the blogs.  He would have been a great president.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:52:59 AM EST
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Re: Same here (none / 0)

I don't know if Kerry would have been a great president, but being a great president and being a great candidate are two very different things.  "Reporting for duty"? (cringe)


by CA Pol Junkie on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:18:44 AM EST
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Re: Same here (none / 0)

He wasn't a great candidate, I suppose, but you have to blame the idiot 51% of the American people for not being able to see what was as plain as day.  Again.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:23:37 AM EST
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Re: Same here (none / 0)

I hope I'm not hijacking the thread, but I wanted to speak up for Kerry. We forget what a totally different world it was in 2004. It was still a huge taboo to suggest the war was a mistake, for fear of being attacked as "hating the troops." It was a "national security" election, and we needed our own version of G.I. Joe to do political combat with Commander Codpiece. (Heck, we got Clark into the race to be even more of a G.I. Joe than Kerry.)

The years have been unkind to the memory of Kerry's candidacy, but he was still our most electable choice we had, and a proud liberal. Did anyone think swiftboating a Vietnam Vet would work like it did? That wearing purple-heart band-aids at the RNC would receive zero public criticism? That Bush would stifle Kerr's convention bounce by raising the freakin' terror alert?

Kerry wasn't a great candidate, and he made a distressing number of mistakes. But to see him portrayed as some buffoon or non-liberal is upsetting.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:01:25 PM EST
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Re: Same here (none / 0)

I've said this before...Hillary was, and is, the candidate we needed in 2004. She would have been tough as nails at precisely the points when Kerry was weakest, and her political stance on the war fit with the tone of that year's race better than it does with this year's.

But you can't go back and undo what's been done, and to get back to the topic at hand, YES, if she's our nominee this year somehow, she will have my undivided support and my vote in November. Period.


Ceci n'est pas une <<snark>>
by ipsos on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:27:36 PM EST
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Re: Same here (none / 0)

I never disliked Kerry, I just never liked him nearly as much as Dean.  I liked Dean's populist message, grass roots approach, and fifty state strategy (all the same reasons I like Obama).  Still, if it wasn't for the intense need to get Bush and the neocons out of the Whitehouse, I don't think Kerry would have inspired me to volunteer as much as I did.


by protothad on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:35:51 PM EST
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Re: Won't vote for our nominee? Get over it! (none / 0)

If Hillary  somehow STOLE the election, I would still vote AGAINST McCain.

See how that works?

This election is not about Obama/Clinton, it is about somebody so damn idiotic he actually employed a campaign strategy of running on a sitting president's record who has one of the lowest approval ratings in history.

I blame everybody (including my father-in-law and aunt) who voted for Bush in 2004 for the deaths since then, and I will continue to do the same for ANYONE who votes for McSame. I even hold some contempt for the Nader supporters in 2000, when everyone KNEW that teh election would be close,
and they voted for the green party candidate against the GREENEST DEMOCRAT EVER TO SEEK THE PRESIDENCY!


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:26:18 PM EST
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