The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better Now

On Feb. 12, 2008, Barrack Obama beat Hillary Clinton in the state of Virginia with 64-35% of the vote. On May 6th, 2008 Obama beat Clinton in the neighboring southern state of North Carolina with 56-42% of the vote. African-Americans made up approx. 34% of the voter population in NC, in VA the % was approx. 29%.

In the 2004 election Bush beat Kerry 56-44% in North Carolina, in VA the results were Bush 54-46% over Kerry. In the 2000 election, NC went 56-43% for Bush over Gore, and VA went 52-48 for Bush over Gore (Edwards didn't seem to help much in these two states). In 1996, NC Dole won by 48.7-44%, in VA Dole won by 47.1 to 45.1% over Clinton in both states. African-American population of NC 21.4%, VA 19.4%. Obviously, these states are not exact matches, but they are very close.

On February 19th, 2008, Obama won Washington 68-31%. On May 20th, 2008, again in a neighboring southern state of Oregon Obama won by 59-41%. A-A percentage of voters approx. 3% in Oregon, no exit data available for Washington.

African-American population of Washington 3.1%, Oregon 1.6%.

In 1996, Clinton won 49.8-37.3% in Washington, and in Oregon 47.2-39.1%.
In 2000, Gore won 50-45% in Washington, and 47.1-46.9% in Oregon.
In 2004, Kerry won 53-46% in Washington, and 52-48% in Oregon.

Again like North Carolina and Virginia not exact matches but extremely similar.

2004 election results http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/ ... president/
2000 election results http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0876793.html
1996 election results http://www.presidentelect.org/e1996.html#map
African American state census data http://www.censusscope.org/us/map_nhblack.html
2008 exit poll data http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primar ... /state/#WA

I would love to compare the results of the 2008 primary results with the 2004 results, but unfortunately by the time of the Oregon and North Carolina primaries in 2004 Kerry had no real opposition racking up wins in 78%+ range in both states over Dennis Kucinich when Dean in WA and Edwards in VA were Kerry's top challengers. So, that comparison cannot be made.

The problem with the Democratic primary and caucus delegate allocation is that is very sporadic and arbitrary. If the election had been held last week in all the states and Obama received the vote totals he has, then he should be the nominee, with not much room for debate. However, the fact is the Obama of now is not the Obama of February and March. If the primaries had been held in those states that had their primaries and caucuses prior to the Wright imbroglio, I think Clinton would have a delegate lead much greater than Obama has and her popular vote total would be about 53-45% over Obama not including Florida or Michigan.

Obama should have won in Indiana, he didn't. He should have gotten at least 60% of the vote in NC and Oregon, again he didn't. He should not have been beaten by over 35% pts. in W. VA and Kentucky, yet he was.

The battleground states Clinton is doing better than Obama vs. McCain:

Ohio by 7 pts.
PA by 6 pts.
FL by 12 pts.
Missouri by 4.5 pts.
New Mexico by 1.5 pts.
Nevada by 11 pts.
Michigan by 1 pt. (how are either of these two not beating McCain in this state?)
New Hampshire by 5 pts.
North Carolina by 4 pts.
Georgia by 3 pts.

Wisconsin even (both lose to McCain)

The battleground states Obama is doing better than Clinton vs. McCain

Iowa by 5 pts.
Minnesota by 4 pts.
Colorado by 9 pts.
VA by 7 pts.
Oregon by 8 pts.
Washington by 6 pts.
California by 1 pt.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... /ohio.html

I only used poll results from after the Wright flare-up.

Clinton's arguement at this point consists of:

1.  She has won more votes cast than Obama, see results of next Tuesday to see what metric this encompasses.

2.  She has won 7 of the 8 most populous states and the top four (counting Florida and Michigan).

3.  She has won more of the swing states that the Democrats must win to be win the electoral college.  AR, WV, KY, PA, OH, MI, Fl, NH, NV, and NM.  Obama has won IA, VA, NC, CO, WA, WI, and OR.  

4.  She is leading McCain or doing better in more of these state than Obama in current polls(see above list).

5.  The Obama of today is not the Obama of February and March.  The Wright stories have peeled off about 7-10% of his support from mid-April.  

This campaign has been unlike any other in the past 40 years for the Democratic nomination, and yet people pretend like it is just like Kerry wracking up 40 pt wins to close out the nomination.  It seems like the vast majority on the liberal internet think it is a slam dunk for supers to get behind Obama, I just think is extremely unrealistic given the results of the past month.

Flame away at your leisure.

Update [2008-5-29 12:44:31 by mdana]:

This diary is not commenting on Wright's comments or the validity of them. I personally have no problem with Wright's comments or Wright's views. I think they are not offensive in the least and I wish the corporate media would include more people with Wright's types of views. He has a valid viewpoint on the values of America and the government's role in the late 20th and early 21st century. I think Obama's rebuke of Wright is disappointing, but I certainly understand his political calculation. I wish there was someway Obama could engage some of Wright's ideas without freaking out too many demographic groups, but I don't know the equation to achieve that goal. However, this diary is just concerned with the voter fall-out in terms of primaries and polls since late April.
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (none / 0)

JEsus Christ.

you guys wont quit

stop trolling MYDD.com

go and bother Dailykos.com,   they fall for this stuff and take it on the chin too.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:48:14 PM EST

Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 3)

"bother Dailykos.com,   they fall for this stuff and take it on the chin too."

Uh, no.

DKos don't like no attacks on the man who will be the Democratic nominee.

This would be better received at Tinfoilis44.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:03:15 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 1)

Jesus that is a joke at Mydd's expense.

I love this site, but really its overrun with AntiDemocratic party hit jobs.

Over and over again.

If I was a McBlogger this would be my stomping grounds at least for training.

I will see people who know better that have nothing else to do but engage these trolls.

So yea as a joke I say go to Kos, see how long you last.

Keep republicans off of our boards, they add Zero.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:06:03 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 1)

Amen.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:22:26 PM EST
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I think this will mobilize a lot of people.. (2.00 / 1)

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Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:39:32 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 2)

Tinfoilis44!
I'm gonna be using this..
mojo for cool...
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:27:51 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 3)


by Deadalus on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:07:42 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (none / 0)

That has got to be the cutest thing in the world!

Im sure Alegre will call Child Service on the parents of those talented child actors [snark seriously!!!]


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:16:43 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 2)

I love the part at 1:00 where she says "sexism is ugly"

God I would LOVE to see the preproduction footage, how they got these kids to pull off the satircal impressions is priceless.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:18:22 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 3)

I am having a contest to count the troll diaries today.

This brilliant member just joined us TODAY!

Welcome another McBlogger,  lets get him a certificate of achievement or something.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:49:36 PM EST

Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 1)

Umm.

10?

Feels like 10 troll diaries. Even Begala made his presence felt.


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:57:18 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 1)

I tried counting, but it got too depressing.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:06:31 PM EST
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Yeah, Begala's been trolling. (2.00 / 1)

Has that Jacob Freeze troll weighed in yet today?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:28:57 PM EST
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Congrats (1.77 / 9)

You have earned 100 McCain points!


by Monolithic on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:54:49 PM EST

Re: The Wright Effect (2.00 / 4)

the fact is the Obama of now is not the Obama of February and March.
exactly.


by soyousay on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:56:29 PM EST

Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 3)

Supper time here in Denver..

I think we are having Delegates..
with a side of relish.

Delegates:    Pledged    Super    Total    Needed
Obama            1,660.5    318.5    1,979    46
Clinton            1,499.5    280.5    1,780    245
Remaining    86     197     283


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:01:11 PM EST

He only has 1660? (2.00 / 2)

Supers change all the time. One just changed from Obama to Clinton. Wow I thought he had more delegates than that.


by catfish2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:04:42 PM EST
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Re: He only has 1660? (2.00 / 1)

So 200 are going to endorse Clinton? Because that's the way the trend is going, right?????????


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:09:20 PM EST
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Re: He only has 1660? (2.00 / 2)

after changing from Clinton and Obama. She get a superdelegate she had the first place.

big deal


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:10:42 PM EST
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Isn't it great? (2.00 / 2)

Crazy, but great!


by catfish2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:39:08 PM EST
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It's so sad (2.00 / 1)

that you guys are clinging to those one dude as a basis for arguing everything is changing

meanwhile he made up the loss and then some.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:42:23 PM EST
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Isn't it sad (2.00 / 1)

he's losing the second half of his campaign to a woman. And he's even got the media on his side.


by catfish2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:35:56 PM EST
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Interesting stats. Informative. (2.00 / 2)

Thank you.


by catfish2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:03:51 PM EST

Heh. (2.00 / 1)


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:13:50 PM EST
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Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (2.00 / 3)

This was a really excellent Diary. Thanks. Please write more. I read it 3 times, and it only gets better. I hope you don't mind if I copy it and send it to all the contacts in my email! Awesome job. Mega-dittoes!


by xdem on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:09:58 PM EST

Or "The Limbaugh effect" (more likely) (none / 0)


by bobdoleisevil on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:16:32 PM EST

I'm not looking to fight with anyone but . . . (2.00 / 5)

why is anyone who says anything critical of the front runner called a closet Republican troll?
Aren't we Democrats entitled / allowed to examine our leaders critically?  I thought it was the Republicans who were against self criticism and resided in an echo chamber.
John McCain says he would stay in Iraq for 100 years? That's crazy talk!
by kosnomore on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:18:30 PM EST

Re: I'm not looking to fight with anyone but . . . (1.50 / 2)

Of course it is, if we can't stand behind our nominated canidates for elections then why have a party.

What I am fighting is Republican trolls, and HRC supporters are are so fervalant that they put the safety and welfare of this country on the backseat to the smallest possibility her Hillary winning.

You can be critical of OBama all you want, but when your point is to destroy him and discredit him, you become my enemy and by proxy in my mind the enemy of my country which is on the near verge of collapse because of the destruction brought on by republicans.

This poster is simply trying to smear obama on a very old topic.

Also, incase you didn't know McCain just dumped a lot of money in his new attempt to save his miserable campaign.

He is now funding and training trolls, dont believe me, check the AP.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:23:51 PM EST
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Re: I'm not looking to fight with anyone but . . . (2.00 / 4)

Once we have a nominee, maybe you'll have a leg to stand on. But until then, you're calling half of the Democratic party "trolls" just because they support a different Democrat than you do.


by LakersFan on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:33:37 PM EST
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Re: I'm not looking to fight with anyone but . . . (none / 0)

I never went after anyone for supporting Hillary, just those bashing obama.

I dont see ANYONE going out of their way to bash Hillary.

So no, this is garbage,  trying to smear Obama is not the job of a Democrat, its the job of some swarmy nobody in the basement of the Washington Times.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:39:23 PM EST
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Re: I'm not looking to fight with anyone but . . . (2.00 / 2)

Don't pretend that you haven't called virtually everyone who disagrees with you a "troll" regardless of their background.

And this is just laugable:

"I dont see ANYONE going out of their way to bash Hillary."

Are you trying to pretend we haven't been subjected to a week-long "let's bash Hillary about RFK" bash-fest?

Just accept that there are a lot of Democrats that aren't just like you. We're not trolls, we're lifeling Democrats who support the candidate who supports Universal Health Care.


by LakersFan on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:47:49 PM EST
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Re: I'm not looking to fight with anyone but . . . (none / 0)

Democrats are not Republicans, we don't get behind someone automatically like the Stepford Wife Party.  We argue and debate and then feel better when the process is complete.  We don't like to Rush to judgements like going to war in Iraq, or Kerry in 2004.

Where exactly am I bashing Obama?  You know I read tons of Obama supporters calling Clinton a bi*%&, a liar, etc. If a non-Obama supporter states, "uh, Obama has some electoral problems" then he/she is a troll, Republican, ass----, etc.  It is really getting tiring.  Obama's biggest problem has always been his supporters on the internet.  I have always wondered how many of the the strident ones are real and how many are trolls, because they sound just like freepers.


by mdana on Thu May 29, 2008 at 12:26:44 PM EST
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well said. And don't forget GE N Carolina polls (2.00 / 2)

just out that show Hillary beating Obama in the North Carolina GE and OBAMA LOSING to MCCAIN.  If that doesn't send a strong message, I don't know what does.


by thebluenote on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:27:17 PM EST

Re: How about ... (none / 0)

... the refusal of Tarheel State voters to elevate Sen. Clinton to majority status in the primaries?


by Brad G on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:57:14 PM EST
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The Sore Loser Vote (none / 0)

The only reason Clinton does better in head-to-head matchups is because 1/2 to 2/3 of her supporters are telling pollsters if Obama is the nominee they'll vote for McCain or stay home (the fraction saying they'll vote GOP, btw, now approaches 1/3 in some states).

Don't believe me?  Check the cross tabs.  This is showing up in all of these polls (it used to be the case, btw, that 1/4 of Obama supporters said something similar about Clinton, but during the past week this is been going down a lot).

The Wright effect?  Hahahaha.  This is the Kneecap effect.  Obama is still beating Clinton by 8-10 points in polls of this national primary race.  The ability of both candidates to win over Republicans and Indies hasn't changed much at all.

I think the Dems could be in some trouble over this, but let's not kid ourselves that Obama is losing support, what's happening is Clinton's supporters are threatening to vote GOP.

Remember where we were last year, btw?  Complaining about a renegade AG, the politicization of the Justice Department, blasting the White House for violating the constitution, destroying records, torturing people, and that's for starters?

Were we kidding ourselves then?  Or are we fooling ourselvdes now?  The Republicans don't deserve to win this year, but the Democrats might deserve to lose.    


by IncognitoErgoSum on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:28:43 PM EST

Intimidation (none / 0)

"You don't pick my candidate, I'll make sure yours loses"

intimidation does not work, you guys said it yourselves.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:43:43 PM EST
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So tired of Wright diaries.... n/t (2.00 / 1)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:44:46 PM EST

Re: The Wright Effect-Why Hillary Is Doing Better (none / 0)

McWars giving points for McTrolls

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/B logInteract/BlogInteract.aspx


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:01:41 PM EST

The Wright effect has affected the voters' (2.00 / 3)

views of Obama.  It's critically important we Dems. are aware of this---don't bury your heads in the sand.  When making calls to IN, KY, WV,(post-Wright tape) most voters I talked to said that the Wright tape had influenced their voting decisions. Many felt bamboozled and hoodwinked by Obama and resented him for it.  Some of them said they had been leaning toward Obama but could not vote for him because of Wright. Most thought Wright's comments about America were disgusting.  Don't underestimate the Wright effect and be prepared.


truthseeker2
by truthseeker2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:30:46 PM EST

A young Clinton supporter told me (2.00 / 1)

not to talk about Wright because young people don't care about him. Isn't it funny how certain things aren't on your radar until you're older.

And lots of Dems who value fairness do not think Wright is a big deal, because our country's history of racism justifies it.

But voters who can look past our history of racism and actually look at Wright say it says something about Obama's judgement and about his values.


by catfish2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:39:58 PM EST


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