Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church

Every day I peruse this site I find at least one Diary that calls the Rev. Wright and his church hateful or racist and I rarely see a loving reply.  I thought I would share some writing I found on the Huffington post some time ago by a commentor named Matt7.

Top Ten Reasons Obama Stayed 20 yrs. BECAUSE:

10 The Audacity to Hope was a powerful sermon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H73WqSj1- aI&feature=PlayList&p=7C19AC20C5 E410F8&index=13
Obama heard the Christian gospel thru good old-fashioned preaching from the Word of God, and music that stirred the soul; it was a joy / privilege to learn from one who studies, thinks and preaches deeply and broadly.

9...Obama sought/found something bigger than himself"faith in the love and presence of God. How ridiculous to say he was "trying to affiliate with a big church for "street cred" for when he"d one day run for POTUS." That"s not why African Americans attend church. Besides, America usually prefers its presidents to be atheists and to not bring God into the equation at all.

8 Obama felt he could be free to be who he is"whether identifying with his White, Black or African heritage. Worshippers include the impoverished/ affluent, uneducated/well-educated, laborer/professional, worshipping side by side. Trinity UCC embraced, affirmed and taught, the value, potential, love, dignity, and respect of ALL people despite race, gender, economic class or creed. INCLUDING Black people"despite how they"ve been conditioned to regard themselves or how they are portrayed to the rest of the world.

7 He saw active ministries; "doers of the Word and not hearers only." He watched Rev Wright turn the bitterness, frustration and rejection many Blacks experienced every day in America, into understanding, forgiveness, accountability and empowerment to address their issues and society"s ills.

6 some people hate America. Rev Wright is NOT one of them. Not a demon or saint, just a MAN (dimples and warts) who loves God and his people, recognizing you must name and face a problem before you can address it. He didn"t "pimp" this parishioners, rather he greatly sacrificed to uplift, encourage and empower them.

5 you don"t have to agree with everything a preacher says. They"re not there to entertain or debate you; but to instruct, challenge, chastise and minister to you about and through the Word of God. They themselves are only humans who may falter or fail, whereas the Word does not.

4 The message of a sermon may not be politically correct, but the truth of it can be empowering. A sermon, like medicine, is not always palatable, convenient, or comfortable, but it"s necessary for healing. The stronger or deeper ingrained the dis-ease, the more potent the medicine.

3 Education, critical thinking and excellence are strongly encouraged and respected. Rev Wright also modeled the ability to work with and move effectively among thinking whites/Blacks, Jews/Muslims, Protestants/Catholics, professors/students, men/women, adults/children, straight/gay, young/old, educated/uneducated; to respect their differences and make it possible for them to work and reason together.

2 Rev Wright is a prophetic preacher, master teacher, and Biblical scholar, who encouraged Christian principles, educational excellence, personal responsibility, compassion for others; and who taught about acceptance, love, forgiveness and reconciliation. And ?

1 Because it was his right to do so.



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Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

Why are we talking about Wright?

Who cares.


by puma on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:30:45 AM EST

Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (2.00 / 2)

The Republicans in the GE, for starters.  Not that it matters anymore, we Democrats don't seem to care...


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:47:01 AM EST
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Re: Obama stayed in Wrights Church (2.00 / 1)

Unfortunately, I've already seen a dozen of these bumperstickers in the Midwest. Wright will be an issue in the GE IF Obama is the nominee.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:30:10 PM EST
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Really because I haven't seen any like that (none / 0)

and I drive 300 miles a week.

I've see Hillary Clinton (a decent number of these) and Barack Obama (a lot of these) bumper stikcers (including 12 republcians for Obama).

My commute takes me through the most republican/religious/conservative part of my state too.


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by Student Guy on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:06:57 PM EST
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Re: Really because I haven't seen any like that (none / 0)

My commute takes me through Kansas, Missouri and Iowa. Perhaps you need to pay attention while driving.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:18:45 PM EST
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Re: Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

I see the rock you climbed out from under, has left permanent damage.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:23:13 PM EST
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Re: Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

that was meant for know vox


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:23:42 PM EST
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Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

This is boring.


Obama/Warner 2008
by MissVA on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:33:01 AM EST

Because the first step in reconciliation (2.00 / 2)

Is mutual understanding.  Even if Hillary is nominated Black church folk will need to be re-included in a coalition.

You can come to our church.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:33:58 AM EST

Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

I heard it was the potato salad at the annual Church picnic.  Maybe you should update your diary?    


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:35:40 AM EST

I'm easily snarked (none / 0)

Do you feel it's germaine what is served at lunch?


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:37:28 AM EST
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Re: I'm easily snarked (none / 0)

God bless you my friend.  Have a great day.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:40:57 AM EST
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Re: I'm easily snarked (none / 0)

Thank you! And God Bless you as well.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:42:02 AM EST
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Re: I'm easily snarked (none / 0)

I think Hagee could use a little more attention, though.


by niksder on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:52:15 AM EST
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I call bullshit (none / 0)

EVERY Day you see at least one diary that calls Wright and his church racist? Can you name a couple of these in the past few weeks? He just hasn't been a topic around here much since his last blowup.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:36:56 AM EST

Re: I call bullshit (2.00 / 2)

I'm sorry I don't work this site well.  The Diary that inspired this one had a list of Obama things one being the racist church.  I'm not trying to attack anyone.  I'm just trying to spread understanding


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:39:38 AM EST
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Re: I call bullshit (none / 0)

Fair enough. However, Wright as a diary topic is dead here.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:44:44 AM EST
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Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (2.00 / 2)

"Besides, America usually prefers its presidents to be atheists and to not bring God into the equation at all."

You have got to be effing kidding me.  An atheist can hardly get on any school board or town council in America.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:45:34 AM EST

Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

Right. Almost all elected officials feel the need to pay at least lip service to a major religion. I think Wellstone was an athiest, maybe Bernie Sanders as well, but other than that there are very few who succeed in politics.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:48:59 AM EST
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Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (2.00 / 1)

In this case it is referring to Black America and it's politicians.  Although we have a lot of Rev.'s in politics you rarely see them speaking the gospel do you?  


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:54:27 AM EST
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Wright issue is dead here (none / 0)

Go away.


by rf7777 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:47:43 AM EST

I apologize (none / 0)

If the words of my diary offended you.  I was merely hoping to spread understanding.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:55:28 AM EST
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Re: I apologize (2.00 / 1)

It's a very nice diary, and your reasons are well worth noting. The resistance to the diary is that the Wright issue thankfully has been dormant for a while now, and we don't really want to dredge it all up again.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:59:39 AM EST
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I do understand how Wright (2.00 / 1)

Has been a distraction to real issues we all share.  I suppose I was moved by the Audacity of Hope sermon, and if just one person listens to it from the Diary It would have done good.  I think the last 8 years of Bush have spiritually wounded us.  Wright although retired and his word really are Chicken Soup for the soul.  I know he's an Aids nut, but we aren't like Hagee or Parsley.  We dont hate anybody, and it just really hurts my feelings when I see postings that call Wright a racist or whatever.  Anyway thanks for listening

Peace


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:10:05 AM EST
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Re: I do understand how Wright (none / 0)

But can you not see how Wright hurts others feeling when he calls them "Garlic noses?"


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:26:26 AM EST
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Re: I do understand how Wright (none / 0)

Oh gosh yes, but that was not his intention.  I believe he was referring to Roman Legions and speaking historically and in relation to the Roman treatment of Jesus.

If someone where to call my race a name I would be totally insulted too.  I understand that if you thought he was calling Italians Garlic noses it would be terrible.  He wasn't though, but I understand that's all you heard, and I would be mad too.  I can't find the sermon he said that in or I would provide a transcript.  The best I can say is the Rev. and the people of Trinity LOVE ALL MANKIND  I've been several times and my church here in Pasadena is very similar.  We end each service by telling everyone we can see that we love them, and I at least mean it.  We don't care what manner of human walks in our door we want to share the love of christ with them.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:35:39 AM EST
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You left out an option: (2.00 / 2)

He was a "calculating" (like Hillary) and "ambitious" (like Hillary) budding politician, who is not a religious person.  Perhaps he's even an athiest like me.  However, it has been conclusively proven that voters will not vote for an athiest.  It has actually been established by polling.  

So, he embarked on a search for a church to use as a prop to build his political resume, and determined that since he was in the South side of Chicago, Trinity would make good window dressing for his ambitions.  

He joined the church, and it worked.  He moved up the political ladder.  So, he stayed, and it helped him continue to move up the political ladder.  Then, he hit a bump in the road when it came to national elections, in which impressing people from the South side of Chicago was far less important than portraying yourself as a patriotic American.

Now, he's got a catch-22 on his hands.  He can either admit that he is a "calculating" and "ambitious" politician who used Wright and Trinity as window dressing for cheap political gain (just like Hllary would) or he can admit that he does agree with what Wright stands for.  In my honest personal opinion, these are the only two real options.  


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by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:47:52 AM EST

Re: You left out an option: (2.00 / 1)

I beleive as a christian it is very cynical to ascribe a persons attendance in church as anything other than finding Jesus.  It is Jesus that is most important even above all these things we cry about in the political realm.  I have read Obama's book about his finding Jesus and I find him to be honest, or at least my experience was similar.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:57:27 AM EST
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Just because you had a similar experience, doesn't (none / 0)

mean Obama is telling the truth.

I honestly do not believe he just so happened to give up athiesm, and "find Jesus", at a black nationalist church, coincidentally at the very exact same moment in time that he decided to break into politics, especially given that it has been proven that an athiest cannot win an election.

I do not doubt your own spiritual transformation, but when it comes to Obama, I call bullshit.

In fact, if you want to take my logic to its conclusion, I suppose I'm claiming that Obama is not only using Wright as a political prop, but he's actually using Jesus Christ as a prop, as well.  


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:13:28 PM EST
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Re: Reason #9 (2.00 / 1)

I have the biggest problem with this statement. First, even though Barack Obama is a REAL AFRICAN-AMERICAN, he was by no means raised "black". He was raised as a multi-cultural, white, privileged American and only later decided he'd better try to understand the "African" part of him. He is not the descendant of slaves, his family did not migrate to Chicago to find a better life for themselves and their children by working in a factory for real cash money, he was never turned away from a barber or lunch counter, and he never had to sit in the back of a bus.
There is simply too much evidence of his overriding ambition, egotism, and self-absorption throughout his years in Chicago to give him the innocent credit of just happening to come across this particular church.
It would be nice to think that some of the UCC's teachings to show mercy and respect for all God's people, to work for justice, and to believe in something beyond himself would have sunk in. Having watched this fellow for the past nine months, I do not see him as a man of God at all. He is in it for his own self-aggrandizement. He worships money and power and a lot of other false saviors.
I'll give you the other nine, though reluctantly.
by pan230oh on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:49:30 AM EST

Re: Reason #9 (2.00 / 1)

He was actually organizing in Wrights area, and was introduced to Wright as an atheist.  He did begin attending church in order to further his ambition.  Which at the time was helping people.  Here we have the glory of God coming in.  He filled Obama's spirit and inspired him with the name and nature of Jesus and through that meeting Barack Obama's soul was saved.

In my opinion Wright is a great fisherman in that he landed that person for Jesus, and to think Obama might have thought he was helping himself.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:01:21 AM EST
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Question: (none / 0)

He was actually organizing in Wrights area, and was introduced to Wright as an atheist.  He did begin attending church in order to further his ambition.  Which at the time was helping people.  Here we have the glory of God coming in.  He filled Obama's spirit and inspired him with the name and nature of Jesus and through that meeting Barack Obama's soul was saved.

He began attending the church to further his ambition, but God filled his spirit and inspired him....

How do you know that?

How do you know he didn't not only begin attending the church to further his political ambition, but that he remained there for 19 years for the same reason?

And BTW:  I cannot mention enough that I am not attempting to insult you or your religious path - this is about Barack Obama's religious path.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:16:39 PM EST
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From his book (none / 0)

He shared very honestly about what was going on in his life at that and all times.  I don't have any reason to believe he was lying for at the time he wrote it he certainly wasnt a presidential contender.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:42:34 PM EST
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Very nice diary (none / 0)

Thanks very much for writing it.


by Fairy Tale on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:55:25 AM EST

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The real question is: what he is doing in a church if he's a closet Muslim?


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:56:26 AM EST

Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

Oh, and let me add </snark> because I know the primary broke some folks' snarkometers.


Stop the racism. Fight the smears.
by CrazyDrumGuy on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:08:28 AM EST
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True reason 1 of 1: STREET CRED !!! (2.00 / 1)


Nice collection of spin by the way, who knows maybe some people can buy it.
by TaiChiMaster on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:57:11 AM EST

Re: True reason 1 of 1: STREET CRED !!! (2.00 / 1)

Well first I love Tai Chi been studying for years now.

I kind of shared earlier about how I try not to be cynical about people and especially Obama's finding Jesus in that we had similar experienced in that we found Jesus as fully formed adults.

It's not my attempt to spin here but be honest and share.

It was Hillary's reaction to the Rev. that hurt my personal feelings the most, and I think most people might understand why.  I stated earlier I just think talking about stuff like this aids in reconciliation


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:05:12 AM EST
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Re: True reason 1 of 1: STREET CRED !!! (none / 0)

How do you feel about Obama's reaction to  Wright? He's totally distanced himself from the man and calls what he has said unacceptable.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:57:03 AM EST
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I was terribly disappointed (none / 0)

I was sorry he had to do that, and in my world I would like to personally like to ask exactly what it is you distance yourself from.  Is it differnt not deficient is it Jesus loves us all, is it that we need self ientrospection and Jesus in times of trouble?

The Rev. Wright did tell us exactly.  Barack is a politician and must do what politicians do.  So are all our leaders.  I hope it has not permanently damaged their relationship.  The Rev. is pastor to the church which contains Republicans and Communists too.  He was there when Bill Clinton needed some spiritual guidance, and the reason that is-his vocation is really extra-political, and I for one am glad he will go after Obama come January if elected.  I want a champion of human and civil rights to hold my politicians to their words.


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:15:36 PM EST
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How was the food? (none / 0)




Democratic Candidate, US Senate, Wisconsin 2012
by benmasel on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:33:49 PM EST

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you forgot to mention he stayed there so he could get elected to the State and US Senates, as being in the church allowed him contact with his voters weekly.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:08:04 PM EST

Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

There are only 8 thousand members of Trinity, and I know this will be hard for you to believe but its true - filled with republicans, democrats, communist, and people without party affiliation or who participate in the political process.  As I stated above i am trying to avoid cynacism and although I know our current govt has given us ample reason to feel so I do see Barack as different


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:37:19 PM EST
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Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

please, I am talking about the specific church on the south side of Chicago, which is where he represented in the State Senate of Illinois. There are almost no Republicans there, and a ton of black people there. Of course being a member for him was politically convenient.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:31:06 PM EST
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Re: Top 10 Reasons Obama stayed in Wrights Church (none / 0)

Jay where do you get your demographic information regarding trinity from.  I have actually been there on a few occasions.  I have a treasured great aunt and her famil live in Chicago and attend, so when I visit I go.  When you say there are almost no republicans there you are wrong.

When Obama ran for congress the first time he got trounced.  Being a member of a church like trinity is convenient on so many better levels than just political.  A church is a home where you gather with like minded people and love each other and the world through the name and nature of Jesus Christ.  The spiritual support one recieves is a billion times more precious than any office or position, that is if you value your immortal soul, and like i said above i do believe Obama does.


by Adept2u on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:23:19 AM EST
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