Obama, McCain and Learning The Lessons of Buchenwald

"It was Soviet troops that liberated Auschwitz, so unless his uncle was serving in the Red Army, there's no way Obama's statement yesterday can be true," said Republican National Committee spokesman Alex Conant. "Obama's frequent exaggerations and outright distortions raise questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief."

link: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio nworld/chi-obama28may28,0,6921695.story

The above is a confident statement from a confident American political operative, working for a jittery party that senses its own demise. Desperate for any political traction, they grasped today upon Obama's mis-statement that his relative liberated Auschwitz, and not Buchenwald.

For this small historical gaffe, the GOP would have us infer that Barack Obama is not fit to be President of the United States.

But what is the greater gaffe, mislabeling one of several Nazi concentration camps, or misunderstanding the lessons of the Holocaust as our country stumbles, and trips, and reaches for light straws of hope as we seek to restore our moral authority as the world's leader on human rights after the abuses at Abu Ghirab and the ongoing detention of prisoners at Guantanamo Bay?

The following is an extended excerpt of Edward R. Murrow's radio broadcast, where he speaks of the liberation of Buchenwald: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYVn0hzcS s0

From the broadcast:

I was there [in Buchenwald] on Thursday and many men in many tongues blessed the name of Roosevelt. For long years his name had meant the full measure of their hope.

What did this "full measure of their hope" mean for the prisoners of Buchenwald?

We can understand some of what the hope meant through statistics. From the Shoah Education Project website:

The cruelty of the camp was well-known; over 600 of the November Jews died in the first few months: by the end of the war, there were over 110,000 prisoners, and over 60,000 deaths. Deaths were by shootings, hangings, and phenol injections1 The infirm according to USHMM were sent to lesser camps which were euphemistcally called "Euthanasia" centers, but were really gassing centers and krema.

link: http://www.shoaheducation.com/camps/buch enwald.html

But that doesn't tell the entire story of Buchenwald. Buchenwald had the infamous honor of being the concentration camp of some of the more reknowned political prisoners the Nazis chose to incarcerate. Among them were German Reichstag member and Social Democrat Ernst Heilmann, who was executed by lethal injection. Other political luminaries included the former Minister President of France, Édouard Daladier, and Paul Reynaud and Léon Blum, also members of the French government. Chairman of the Communist Party of Germany, Ernst Thälmann, was shot to death at Buchenwald.

Buchenwald was the temporary holding place of 1,953 members of the Danish police. Sixty of these policemen died in Buchenwald before being transferred to another location.

Buchenwald also housed Norwiegan students - 348 of them - who were arrested at the University of Oslo. It detained Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses (for being conscientious objectors), the poor and homeless (referred to as being "work-shy"), homosexuals, disabled people, Soviet and Allied Prisoners of War, pastors and pretty much anyone else who either refused to be on board with the Nazi government, or who the Nazi government just wanted to discard like so much human waste. Originally a male only camp, Buchenwald eventually housed women and children.

This view of everyday life at the camp was taken from the Buchenwaldlied (Buchenwald Song), composed by Austrian Jewish inmates Hermann Leopoldi and Dr Fritz Löhner-Beda:

When the day awakes, before the sun laughs,
the crews embark for the toils of the day,
into the dawn.
And the forest is black and the sky red,
we carry a small piece of bread in our bags
and in our hearts, in our hearts our sorrows.

Oh, Buchenwald, I cannot forget you,
because you are my fate.
Only one who has left you, can measure,
how wonderful freedom is!
Oh, Buchenwald, we neither lament, nor complain,
and whatever our future may hold:
we still want to say "yes" to life,
because one day the time will come -
then we will be free!

link: http://typo3.ort.org/index.php?id=buchen waldlied_x266b

Forced labor, medical experimentation, outbreaks of diseases like typhus, overcrowding and death due to exposure were all part of the experience of existence in Buchenwald. Forced starvation for offenses ranging from stealing a raddish from the prisoner's garden to a mislaid pig were conducted at the camp.

Barack Obama's relative, Charlie Payne, arrived in Germany and liberated a subcamp of Buchenwald. The United States Holocaust Museum explains what a "subcamp" was:

Buchenwald administered at least 88 subcamps located across Germany, from Düsseldorf in the Rhineland to the border with the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia in the east. Prisoners in the satellite camps were put to work mostly in armaments factories, in stone quarries, and on construction projects. Periodically, prisoners throughout the Buchenwald camp system underwent selection. The SS staff sent those too weak or disabled to work to euthanasia facilities such as Bernburg, where euthanasia operatives gasse them as part of Operation 14f13, the extension of euthanasia killing operations to ill and exhausted concentration camp prisoners. Other prisoners unable to work were killed by phenol injections administered by the camp doctor.

link: http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lan g=en&ModuleId=10005198

Mr. Payne, and all of the soldiers in his unit, liberated a small part of a gigantic bureaucracy of horror. For this they should be lauded and remembered, as Barack Obama attempted to do on Memorial Day.

But for the sin of confusing Buchenwald with Auschwitz, this attempt to honor his relative is derided by the GOP as an "exaggeration and outright distortion", which raises "questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief."

Good lord.

Someone please tell these folks to shine the mirror of truth on this party. This is the same Republican Party whose leadership authorized the torture of prisoners by simulated drowning. This is the same party that sought to spy on Americans without FISA court review. This is the same party whose Department of Homeland Security had Ted Kennedy put on a "watch list", interfering with his ability to board aircraft at domestic airports.

This is the same party whose current nominee, John McCain, until days ago had a top campaign operative on his staff who was a PR man for the military junta in Myanmar, the same folks who just today illegally extended the detention of opposition leader and Nobel Peace Prize Winner Aung San Suu Kyi, and whose paranoid need to control their totalitarian state has left over two million cyclone victims suffering, without adequate protection from disease and starvation, begging by the roadside until a military vehicle stops by and tells them to leave.

Men in glass parties shouldn't throw stones.

It's time for the GOP to illustrate that, in addition to having memorized the names and dates and places of the Holocaust, they now understand its central lesson: Never Again.



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ARGH! (2.00 / 19)

I know this history, and it astounds me to see folks who fail to understand its lessons.


by grannyhelen on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:38:33 PM EST

Re: ARGH! (2.00 / 1)

Very good read, thank you.


by apd on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:44:45 PM EST
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Re: ARGH! (2.00 / 1)

Excellent. Thank you.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:05:55 AM EST
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Re: ARGH! (2.00 / 1)

Great diary, virtual rec from me.....


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:51:50 AM EST
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OK, but the whole thing isn't worth fretting about (none / 0)

The overwhelming majority of this country wouldn't be able to tell you that the Americans liberated Dachau, the British liberated Belsen, and the Russians liberated Auschwitz and very few Americans would be inclined to believe these points would be essential knowledge for a presidential candidate.  I don't think too many would give a partisan Republican attack on this nonissue much thought either.


by lombard on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:11:34 AM EST
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isn't worth fretting about (2.00 / 2)

I agree with you that this nontroversy is meaningless in the larger scheme of things.  But here, on this blog, it's not so meaningless when we have people trying to smear Obama with it.  I want to personally thank you for speaking out against this in the Linfar diary.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:27:10 AM EST
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You're more than welcome (none / 0)

But, you said it yourself.  This controversy is meaningless to any sane person so any smear tactics aren't going to persuade anyone (particularly considering the source of them!).


by lombard on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:30:32 AM EST
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Re: You're more than welcome (2.00 / 1)

The irony is that the use of smears of this type are persuading people, just not in the direction the hateful fringe intended.  



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:36:40 AM EST
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Re: OK, but the whole thing isn't worth fretting (2.00 / 2)

I wish this were true.  But let's not forget that THIS SITE had a troll diary up just yesterday that ran with the GOP talking points and suggested that this was Obama's Tuzla moment and that it was going to bring him down and only Senator Clinton could save the party.  To a certain extent I am glad that your focus here is on the GOP and its ridiculousness, but for those of us who know about the other diary and the comments made by some of the members of this site - there is a subtext that should be kept in mind.


by oliver cromwell on Wed May 28, 2008 at 07:54:26 AM EST
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True, but my point was the irony of the GOP (none / 0)

correcting Obama on dates and places and names without understanding the core message of this history and learning from it. As this is something I know a bit about, it just drove me a little nuts.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:24:54 AM EST
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Re: Obama, McCain and Learning The Lessons of Buch (2.00 / 3)

Thank you for taking the time to put together this excellent diary, which undoubtedly taught some about history and tied it to the crimes of today.


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by politicsmatters on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:39:16 PM EST

Thank you... (none / 0)

...that was my goal :-)


by grannyhelen on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:43:48 PM EST
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Rec'ed. (2.00 / 1)

A great reminder.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:42:11 PM EST

Thank you. n/t (none / 0)


by grannyhelen on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:51:44 PM EST
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Is This Snark? (2.00 / 1)

Satirical question.

Seriously though, excellent diary.


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by BishopRook on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:42:24 PM EST

Listen to Murrow's broadcast (none / 0)

on the YouTube link. That could never, ever be included on anything having to do with snark.


by grannyhelen on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:44:38 PM EST
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Re: Obama, McCain and Learning The Lessons of Buch (2.00 / 6)

Good diary.  It would be nice to at least get some educational benefit out of this silly non-story.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:43:20 PM EST

The only story I see is a party that is (none / 0)

completely unhinged from reality - this type of pettiness is just a sign of really how bad things are for the GOP, and how little they really understand the history they are so quick to try to correct others on.


by grannyhelen on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:50:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama, McCain and Learning The Lessons of Buch (2.00 / 1)

Well done.  


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:44:25 PM EST

Thank you. n/t (none / 0)


by grannyhelen on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:53:07 PM EST
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Re: Obama, McCain and Learning The (2.00 / 1)

Rec'd.


by rfahey22 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:44:45 PM EST

Thanks... (none / 0)

...I appreciate you stopping by :)


by grannyhelen on Tue May 27, 2008 at 11:53:54 PM EST
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I really hate the way this is being politicized (2.00 / 2)


by linc on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:01:59 AM EST

I agree... (2.00 / 2)

...here's where I come down on personal experiences and politicians: they can cite them all day long. Hillary met Dr. King, and I'm good with her bringing this up in the context of her campaign. Obama's relative was part of the forces the liberated one of the epicenters of evil during WWII. I have no problem with him mentioning this in a speech, especially on Memorial Day.

But what I do have a problem with is a cursory misread of history in the quest for political "gotcha" moments. It's sickening, frankly.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:04:50 AM EST
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I am one gotcha away (2.00 / 2)

from a media vacation.


by linc on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:07:09 AM EST
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lol - I was supposed to be on blogging (2.00 / 1)

hiatus (self-imposed to work on a project) but I saw this when I got home and couldn't believe it.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:10:05 AM EST
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Thank you, everyone... (2.00 / 2)

...for the recs and feedback. I do have to head to bed (it's midnite here on the East Coast) but will check in tomorrow.

In the meantime, I hope this at least brings some food for thought. If anyone is so inclined to assist with the relief efforts in Burma (Myanmar), Doctors Without Borders has staff on the ground and is able to get supplies in country where the folks need it the most: http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/don ate/


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:08:24 AM EST

very nice diary (2.00 / 1)

and a great reminder of what we need to be vigilant against.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:34:43 AM EST

Re: Obama, McCain and Learning The Lessons of Buch (2.00 / 1)

Grannyhelen..
good to read you again..
ah the good old days eh..

"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:41:01 AM EST

Too true... (none / 0)

...good seeing you as well :-)


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:27:12 AM EST
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Excellent diary! (2.00 / 3)

I'd like to pro-offer this video, which seems to fit in nicely with your diary.  I dare anyone to watch it through without sobbing.  (For anyone who is wondering, the song is "Ani Ma'amin" ("I Believe"), the traditional Jewish affirmation of faith in the Messiah.  It was common in the camps for religious Jews to sing it as they entered the gas chambers as a last show of defiance.  The lyrics, translated, mean "I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah, and though he may tarry, nevertheless I await his coming every day.")


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:46:54 AM EST

Re: Excellent diary! (2.00 / 1)

My God, even with all of my studies on the Holocaust, I am still stunned into disbelief at the utter evil that can exist in humans.  This video is chilling to the marrow.  The song is painfully beautiful.

Thank you, Elsinora.  This video alone should bring consummate shame to anyone who uses this monumental tragedy as a political tool.


by gchaucer2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:26:46 AM EST
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Thank you... (none / 0)

...that is heart wrenching.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:31:57 AM EST
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Re: Obama, McCain and Learning The Lessons of Buch (2.00 / 1)

Excellent.  Thanks for the diary.


by Pat Flatley on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:53:34 AM EST

You know what it's time for... (none / 0)

We need Hillary to have a surrogate denounce Obama, but then have her publicly come to Obama's defense (how gracious!), and then to immediately send out footage of the gaffe to every major media outlet in the country.  

Wouldn't that just be dandy!

But it wouldn't.  Hillary wouldn't do something so ultimately Chicago-style in nature.  Again, she will handle this gracefully, and again, she will somehow end up being blamed for the whole controversy.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:13:51 AM EST

Re: You know what it's time for... (2.00 / 2)

Nobody is going to blame Hillary.  

The anti-Obama crowd on this site, and the people that rec those diaries on the other hand...



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:30:02 AM EST
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Re: You know what it's time for... (none / 0)

I think you're unhinged.

Barack Obama made a mistake with the name of the camp and admitted it.  He is human.  I make mistakes, too.  It's not a massive conspiracy.


by Pat Flatley on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:41:34 AM EST
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Re: You know what it's time for... (none / 0)

The point is, if Hillary tried to exploit this gaffe the way Obama furtively tried to fan a conflagration out of her RFK moment, she would be lambasted.  Meanwhile, when Obama does the same exact thing, he gets a free pass.

It's the double-standard that annoys me.  Obama gets away with murder and almost never gets called on it.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:01:30 AM EST
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Re: You know what it's time for... (none / 0)

You're an idiot.

Obama and his campaign handled the RFK "gaffe" with class and integrity.

Meanwhile this is the first Obama misstep that Hillary hasn't used, as far as I know, as a weapon against him.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:18:52 AM EST
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Re: You know what it's time for... (none / 0)

"I'll take his word for it."


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:42:01 AM EST
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Re: You know what it's time for... (none / 0)

Well enjoy it, but personally, I don't take Obama's word at face value after what I've seen from him in this primary campaign.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 02:02:31 AM EST
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You didn't get the allusion. (2.00 / 1)

It's what Hillary said when 60 minutes asked her if Obama is a Christian.  "I'll take his word for it."


by Dumbo on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:29:33 AM EST
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Re: You know what it's time for... (none / 0)

I am sure you are pleased with yourself for hijacking this poignant diary for your own agenda.


by gchaucer2 on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:29:53 AM EST
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Re: You know what it's time for... (none / 0)

Now I see why Clinton is so popular with the LaRouche crowd. Next you'll be telling me that Obama is flouridating our water.


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by X Stryker on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:53:44 AM EST
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Hillary is not included in my essay (none / 0)

for this reason: she wasn't stupid enough to try to play around with this lame attack.

Good for her.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:33:41 AM EST
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A fitting bookend. (2.00 / 1)

Obama may well be the man to shut down Guantanamo Bay and the black-site torture prisons that George W. Bush created.


by Dumbo on Wed May 28, 2008 at 03:25:22 AM EST

One hopes so... (none / 0)

...I for one will be calling on him to shut down Gitmo the first day he is in office.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:34:44 AM EST
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Re: A fitting bookend. (2.00 / 2)

Sen. Obama has made the commitment to close Guantanamo and restore Habeas Corpus. I just came across this from a statement on Habeas Obama made on the Senate floor back in 2006:

The bottom line is this: Current procedures under the CSRT (Combatant Status Review Tribunal) are such that a perfectly innocent individual could be held and could not rebut the Government's case and has no way of proving his innocence.

I would like somebody in this Chamber, somebody in this Government, to tell me why this is necessary. I do not want to hear that this is a new world and we face a new kind of enemy. I know that. I know that every time I think about my two little girls and worry for their safety--when I wonder if I really can tuck them in at night and know that they are safe from harm. I have as big of a stake as anybody on the other side of the aisle and anybody in this administration in capturing terrorists and incapacitating them. I would gladly take up arms myself against any terrorist threat to make sure my family is protected.

But as a parent, I can also imagine the terror I would feel if one of my family members were rounded up in the middle of the night and sent to Guantanamo without even getting one chance to ask why they were being held and being able to prove their innocence.

This is not just an entirely fictional scenario, by the way. We have already had reports by the CIA and various generals over the last few years saying that many of the detainees at Guantanamo should not have been there.


by grasshopper on Wed May 28, 2008 at 11:47:11 AM EST
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Great read. (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the well composed, informative diary and the link to Murrow.  Knowing our history is the only way to avoid the mistakes of our past.  Never again.


by temptxan on Wed May 28, 2008 at 08:25:19 AM EST

The Lessons of Buchenwald (2.00 / 1)

One can only repeat the gratitude for creating and posting this diary.

But "Never Again" is a lesson we have yet to learn. Every decade, it seems, since the Holocaust we have had another genocide, the last of which we read about almost daily, the Darfur extermination. For the sake of oil, the United States ignores, and the UN is too feable to stop, this genocide. The US, the world's only superpower, stands aside while ignoring this atrocity or at best spending words rather than taking action to relieve the poor Darfurians. For political expediency, we would rather blockade Iran or participate in the blockade of Gaza than attack oil interests in Sudan. It is just revolting for me to be a citizen of this country right now.


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by shergald on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:17:35 AM EST

I think you've hit on what a lot of folks (none / 0)

are feeling after the tragedy of the Bush years: we just want to be proud of our country again. We want to lead, not follow, in human rights and we don't want to have the ongoing stains of Gitmo, and Iraq, and Abu-Ghirad erode our national consciousness.

Talk really is cheap. Every other word out of Bush's mouth these days is "freedom", but one wonders if he really understands the innate power of that concept, or whether it's just like wearing a flag pin or putting a $6 yellow ribbon bumper sticker on your car.

Give me substance over show in these areas any day of the week.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 09:38:15 AM EST
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Re: I think you've hit on what a lot of folks (2.00 / 1)

Can't agree more, Helen.


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by shergald on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:32:51 PM EST
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Death camps weren't the subject of his remarks (none / 0)

The real subject was his great uncle.  His brave and heroic service in a justified war landed him in an attic for 6 months of post traumatic stress disorder.  His point was that we must take care of our veterans.

You disagree with that?


by Adept2u on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:13:59 AM EST

Not at all... (none / 0)

...and if you read my essay its purpose is to defend Obama from this nonsense attack by the GOP.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:50:10 AM EST
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Re: Obama, McCain and Learning The Lessons of Buch (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the information.

I want to point out the unintended consequence of the GOP's baseless attack.  I personally had not heard the story of Obama's uncle.  (BTW, because, like Obama, I was raised at times by my grandparents I took to calling my grandmother's brother "uncle" so I completely identify with Obama there).  The GOP, by its attacks, amplified the story, hoping to cast Obama negatively.  But in fact people like me now know this heroic story, putting another member of Obama's family at a pivotal time in American history.  That is what filters through.  No one is going to hold it against Obama for mixing up the names of the camps when the facts are otherwise true.  This is one attack that backfires.


by PabloZed on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:42:09 AM EST

You're not the first person I've heard make (none / 0)

this assessment, and I agree - I think this is a big blunder by the GOP. Bad reading of history, bad attack, bad strategy, just bad all around.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 10:52:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The Real Lesson of Buchenwald (2.00 / 1)

How about the West Bank and Gaza Strip. These are quite clearly ghettos designed to keep out undesirable ethnicities and religions. Where is the outrage about that? Are there so many hypocrits that there suffering will go the way of those in concentration camp in WWII. See no evil here no evil speak no evil rules seem to apply to the concentration camp survivors decendants. One would hope that there disdain for suffering applys to people outside of there ethnic/religous group.


by edtastic on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:25:44 PM EST

First of all, the question of the Middle East (none / 0)

is outside of the scope of this essay. Secondly, my overall point about Buchenwald is that it was a place that was used to stifle political dissent by incarcerating activists and members of opposition parties.

The ongoing tit-for-tat violence on both sides of the conflict in the Middle East is another subject, and well deserving of its own essay.


by grannyhelen on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:52:31 PM EST
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