Barack Obama can win rural America

Yesterday I spent a little time with the latest poll and memo from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research entitled "Rural American Battleground."

Their poll (682 respondents polled between 3/13 and 3/15 in the rural parts of NH, PA, OH, MI, WI, IA, MN, MS, FL, VA, CO, NV and NM) puts McCain ahead of Obama by a 9-point margin, 50-41.

There's reason for Obama to take heart, however.  In '00 and '04, Gore and Kerry lost rural America by 16 and 19 points respectively.  So he's already ahead of that curve.

Buttressing that bright spot is this one.  When asked to rate the candidates on a thermometer scale (0=cold, 100=hot), McCain and Obama fare almost the same:  McCain was 39% warm, 40% cool and Obama 37% warm, 42% cool.  Well within the 3.75 margin of error.

In other words, even after a brutal primary season and a relatively unchallenged season for McCain, Obama is more than holding his ground.

Obama holds an 8-point advantage on who's better suited to handle the economy and a whopping 11 point advantage on who's more likely to bring the right kind of change.

The candidate are tied or within the margin of error on who's "on your side," taxes, dealing with issues facing rural areas and Iraq.

When asked which candidates shares their values, McCain holds a 9-point lead.

Finally, the poll found that McCain polls 90% among Republicans, while Obama nets only 72% of Democrats.

Some thoughts on this.  First, the poll was taken while the Democratic primary was ongoing.  I believe that when Hillary at last bows out, Obama's numbers are going to see a natural uptick, especially in terms of regaining Democrats.

Going forward, I think Obama needs to get out in rural settings across the country (and I think Hillary needs to get out there for him, as well).  As a general rule, I think that Paul Loeb is still correct:  when people get a chance to see and hear Obama, they tend to like and support him.  I know this hasn't always been the case in the primary season but again, when the comparison isn't Obama to Clinton but Obama to McCain, I think he's going to naturally fare better with rural voters.

The Obama campaign needs to spend money on rural votes.  Rural radio is dirt cheap compared to television.  When the farm market reports start crackling, there ought to be thirty and sixty second spots where Obama talks up his plan to increase health care access for rural veterans, bring broadband to under-served areas, and his  support for the farm bill.

Those tiny weekly newspapers that serve rural areas (ours is called The Country Journal) can seem like a flimsy joke compared to the Boston Globe or the Chicago Tribune.  But they get read faithfully cover to cover every week.  It doesn't cost much to put an ad in them and believe me, readers would notice.

One thing this poll shows is that contrary to the mainstream myth - that Obama's just a latte-sippin', arugala-eatin' city slicker who can't be bothered with anything outside the city limits - is not only wrong, but rural people know that it's wrong.  Even without a full-court press in their direction, rural voters embrace Obama on plenty of key issues.  Look again at that number on who's more likely to bring about the change we need - Obama's up 11 points on McCain.

I thought the whole brouhaha over Obama's bitter comments was mostly manufactured nonsense.  Here's the crux of what Obama said.

<You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.>

Yeah, that bit about the clinging to guns was inartful.  But the context is what we ought to look at.  Obama was talking about how rural people often feel ignored and/or abandoned by government.  They get told this or that is going to happen and then nothing happens.  Over and over and over.  Obama is right when he says that makes a person cynical.  He's right that we need a candidate who wants to address this.

Where the rubber hits the road is not whether Obama can butcher a chicken, milk a cow, bait a hook or clean a gun.  It's whether, on issues effecting rural communities - access to health care, rising fuel costs, support for small farms - he's got thoughtful plans that he's ready to implement.  As I noted elsewhere, he does.  Check out John McCain's website for the details on his rural policy.  See anything?  Me neither.

This is what I'm talking about.

During the same conversation that gave us the bitter flap, Obama also said that the challenge is "to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives."

He's right.  And I think this poll shows us that rural America is more than ready to hear him out.

-crossposted at The Back Forty.

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Re: Barack Obama can win rural America (2.00 / 1)

Thanks for the post. It looks like Obama is doing just fine with rural voters for this stage of the contest. And let's remember that "rural America" is not one thing, but varies from state to state.

You might want to check out this discussion of voting patterns of white working class voters:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/26/us/pol itics/p26caucus.html?_r=1&oref=slogi n


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by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:52:26 PM EST

I am not arguing against the finds (none / 0)

but what a weird, weird poll.  Whats with the cold and hot?


by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:54:00 PM EST

Re: I am not arguing against the finds (none / 0)

You're right..I've never seen a poll conducted like that.


A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin
by hootie4170 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:58:43 PM EST
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I read the poll data (none / 0)

they are really, really serious about it too.  Its making me giggle a bit.  GQR is originally a British outfit, maybe that has something to do with it. Either way, laughing aside, I think? it bodes well for dems...


by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:02:57 PM EST
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Re: I read the poll data (none / 0)

Don't laugh. Lots of people got tenure at prestigious universities doing studies with this method.


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by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:05:54 PM EST
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OH! (none / 0)

They are the think people behind Democracy Corps!  What a good group- doesn't explain the weird polling though.


by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:06:06 PM EST
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Re: OH! (none / 0)

It's not weird polling at all. I'm telling you -- people have used this method for decades. I think Cantril and Lazarsfeld used it in their 1940s political research studies.


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by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:08:12 PM EST
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Re: I am not arguing against the finds (none / 0)

Actually, this has been done for, literally, decades, in academic survey research. It's called the feeling thermometer.


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by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:04:23 PM EST
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Yeah, I know (none / 0)

its a bit weird for a political outfit though, isn't it?  I think Gallup did some of HRC/Obama back in 2007... it just seems so late in the game to be doing feelers between a dem and a rep at this point, thats just me though...  maybe its because its the 'unknown' rural area...


by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:09:56 PM EST
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Re: Yeah, I know (none / 0)

Well, I just googled feeling thermometer and one of the top results was from a polling firm:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?Rele aseID=990
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by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:12:15 PM EST
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Gee (none / 0)

to be as brilliant as you.


by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:29:00 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama can win rural America (none / 0)

A huge factor in all of this is that Obama is already doing better than Democrats of the recent past and he's doing it with a good percentage of his own party still doing everything they can to knock him down.  


by Sun Dog on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:55:01 PM EST

settle down (2.00 / 1)

a good percentage of 'his' party is not trying to knock him down.  The vast majority of HRC supporters are not AGAINST Obama, but rather FOR Clinton.  


by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:59:24 PM EST
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Re: settle down (none / 0)

I will agree with that, though I worry that Senator Clinton's focus on the popular vote may delegitimize his victory, which cannot help but hurt him.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:06:34 PM EST
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Re: settle down (none / 0)

I'm pretty settled.

The very arguments that Clinton herself is making at this point are geared towards undermining Obama in the general election.  She has key surrogates intentionally spreading the idea that Obama is sexist or that he won unfairly because of sexism.  There could be no point to that beyon making him unpalatable for some people in the general election no matter what.  In several different ways, she seems bent not on arguing for the nomination but to de-legitimize Obama.  

It's just gotten too late in the game for that.  The battle for pledged delegates has already been settled.  Her campaign itself is becoming an exercise in trolling.  


by Sun Dog on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:19:00 PM EST
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Obama's rural strength is regional (none / 0)

he'll win in the Corn belt, do alright in Pac NW.  Do well in the Sagebrush areas (mountain west and maine).

I am guessing in the south it will be along racial lines, moreso than the north.


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by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:12:05 PM EST

Re: Obama's rural strength is regional (none / 0)

Just wondering why you put Maine as part of the Sagebrush....it's more pine trees than anything...literally!


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by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:13:00 PM EST
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I am referring to the (none / 0)

Sagebrush revolution when I say Sagebrush.  The northern part of Maine was fertile ground for it.

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Obama seems to run better than the national democratic party in this section while he gets routed in Appalachia.


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by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:27:40 PM EST
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Re: I am referring to the (none / 0)

Thanks!

Very interesting - Can you tell me more about that map and the analysis behind it, point me to a book or a link or something.

Thanks again ~


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by politicsmatters on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:29:51 PM EST
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Oops (none / 0)

see my comment here:
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/26/1 84856/809/20#20
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by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:35:00 PM EST
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I love that map (2.00 / 1)

I live in the epicenter of Appalachia according to that map. I live in Maryville, TN, just south of Knoxville. I took a little drive today from my office to the top of Chilhowee Mountain and gazed down into the Smokies. It took 17 minutes to get to the top Chilhowee, which is the first of the Smokies. Sure is beautiful around here! Sadly, this is not Obama country, though my county (Blount) went "only" 63-32 for Clinton.


by elrod on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:20:19 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama can win rural America (none / 0)

Here is the original Article about the map:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/a rticles/2004/01/18/the_10_regions_of_us_ politics/

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by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:34:30 PM EST

Barack Obama will lose rural America (none / 0)


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:21:59 PM EST

Hey engels (none / 0)

How is your buddy Marx doing?


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by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:42:12 PM EST
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Is this for real? (none / 0)

"(682 respondents polled between 3/13 and 3/15 in the rural parts of NH, PA, OH, MI, WI, IA, MN, MS, FL, VA, CO, NV and NM)"

Two and a half months ago Wright was barely a flicker on the radar and "small town Americans cling to guns and religion" was nowhere to be seen.  Those events were two of the most catalyzing shifts in the polarization of the Dem. electorate.  Obama was doing well in every state until that happened.  Now, it's a very different story.


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:36:22 PM EST

however (none / 0)

Hillary slaughters rural America!!! it's one of those things where we will all look back and go DUH!!! Why did't we pick the one WE KNEW would win...


by nikkid on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:42:00 PM EST


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