MyDD :: Anybody know anything on the Evelyn Pringle Obama articles?

Anybody know anything on the Evelyn Pringle Obama articles?

by spoot, Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:48:19 PM EST

Hi, this is my first diary, I've been lurking a while, ever since KOS became an Obama echo chamber.

I just started reading a bit of a series of articles written by Evelyn Pringle on the whole story behind the Rezko corruption trial and Patrick Fitzgerald's criminal investigation of the corruption pyramid behind this trial. It seems that Rezko is only one of the indictees of his probe, many others have pleaded guilty and agreed to co-operate in his investigation in exchange for leniency.

It's a huge series of articles and I've only begun to read them but my question is: is this reporter Pringle a legit journalist or a hack for political operatives?

Just want to know - this seems to be such a big story and I am wondering if there is a good reason why it hasn't hit the mainstream or even the blogoshere.

The series of articles are published by Scoop Independent News, which is a New Zealand based online site.

Here is the link -

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0805/S0 0325.htm

So has anyone read these articles and what do you think of their legitimacy?

Tags: Obama, Rezko, Chicago politics, corruption (all tags)

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Re: Anybody know anything about the Evelyn Pringle (2.00 / 2)

Check out NO QUARTER. No Obama-speech allowed. And all the crackpot conspiracy theories you can handle.

by Joe Beese on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:49:42 PM EST

Sorry, I don't understand your comment (none / 0)

by spoot on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:52:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

spoot should fit right in... (none / 0)

... with the rest of the McCain supporters there.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:23:02 PM EST
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Re: Anybody know anything about the Evelyn Pringle (none / 0)

I suggest if you really want the answers, you should go post this question at DailyKos. They'll be sure to give you all the info.

::evil snicker::

"More War Years! More War Years!" ~John McCain

by Tommy Flanagan on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:48:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If you want to peddle Rezko shit, (1.60 / 5)

try No Quarter. Ditto for racist shit. MyDD's not quite that far gone yet.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:53:43 PM EST

Re: If you want to peddle Rezko shit, (none / 0)

So you are saying that this reporter is a hack or what?

Or are you saying that the Rezlo story has nothing to do with Obama and that those who peddle a connection are smear artists?

Please do me the honor of replying without snark as I really want to get an answer. It's an honest inquiry.

by spoot on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:58:21 PM EST
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Re: If you want to peddle Rezko shit, (2.00 / 4)

"are you saying that the Rezlo story has nothing to do with Obama and that those who peddle a connection are smear artists?"

Congratulations. You advance to the bonus round.

by Joe Beese on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:03:45 PM EST
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What they are saying is that THEY WILL (none / 0)

try to intimidate you and drown you out with their bury brigade if you so much as mention ANY of the many Obama scandals that the GOP is saving for after the Democratic Convention, now.

Shhhhhhh! Its not TIME yet!

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:20:47 PM EST
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Rezko's a non-story. (2.00 / 5)

The ChiTrib ended it months ago. Since then, Obama's taken a near insurmountable delegate lead, setting him up as the presumptive nominee of the Democratic party.

That means the only people still digging are those interested in undermining the guy who's most likely going to be our nominee. Such people aren't Democrats, but GOP trolls or Clinton dead-enders.

Which are you?

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:05:59 PM EST
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Re: Rezko's a non-story. (2.00 / 1)

so when did a newspaper become part of the judiciary? so far it is not 'ended' as much as covered-up, for now.

by zerosumgame on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:13:54 PM EST
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Point proven. (1.66 / 3)

OP, if this is the way you think, No Quarter will be a happy home. There's a reason you no longer see Rezko diaries here.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:15:52 PM EST
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Re: Point proven. (1.50 / 6)

we'll see in the next month or so, and if you think this tactic will work in the GE you are even stupider then your posts make you look.

by zerosumgame on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:18:02 PM EST
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Re: Point proven. (1.83 / 6)

Give it up for our very own GOP troll cheerleader!!!!

We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin

by spacemanspiff on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:19:13 PM EST
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Re: Point proven. (none / 0)

oh spiff, still stalking me eh? sorry I still don't swing that way so keep on swooning for me in virtual mode. do wipe your keyboard someday though

by zerosumgame on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:08:00 PM EST
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They are waiting until AFTER the convention.. (2.00 / 1)

All Obama scandals are ON HOLD until THEN, otherwise the unthinkable might happen and Hillary might be the nominee.

Then all their work and money would have gone to waste.

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%

by architek on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:24:49 PM EST
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Re: Point proven. (1.00 / 1)

Do I even have to explain why I troll-rated you for that comment?

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:40:34 PM EST
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Re: Rezko's a non-story. (2.00 / 2)

The story is resting, not dead. It'll be back in the fall with a vengeance.

by denise b on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:36:07 PM EST
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Re: Rezko's a non-story. (none / 0)

Doubtful.... McCain has his own skeletons on this topic....

Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...

by JenKinFLA on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:41:51 PM EST
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Dude/ette (2.00 / 2)

Step 1. Install Firefox.
Step 2. Highlight Evelyn Pringle
Step 3. Right Click and choose "Search Google for..."
Step 4. See quite quickly she writes for OP/ED News.

Step 5. Realize that ALL of this crap has been investigated by working professional journalists for years.

Step 6. Ask yourself why these articles are being published in a NEW ZEALAND online publication instead of the WSJ or NYT.

I concur with others that suggest you go read the comments section over at NoQuarterusa.net to get a flavor of the crowd that are 'investigating' this.

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:12:23 PM EST
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I never heard of Op/Ed news (none / 0)

Is it a right wingnut outlet?

by spoot on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:14:28 PM EST
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Re: I never heard of Op/Ed news (none / 0)

Well the best answer is.....sometimes.

From their submission page...
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/writers guidelines.php

We have a very powerful article submission user interface. It's the way we want to see your article submissions. Our website has a lot of capabilities you don't see on any other site. The article submission "page" enables you and us to make most effective use of those capabilities. If you can't use it, please explain why. To learn about how to become a writer for OpEdNews and to use the article submission page, please click here Send your article to us first and give us a 72 hour exclusive and if we think it's good enough, we'll forward it to our large list (380+) of other web and print news sites and newsletter emailers. Some usually pick up the original articles we send out.

For all contributors:

You MUST be 16 years of age, or over. No exceptions.

When you register, please include a brief bio, written in the third person. (Joe Smith is a writer and community activist living in Mongolia.) Readers (and we) want to know who you are, where you are from.

We don't pay for articles at this time, but we do like to forward our authors' work to other media, to get the greatest exposure for your ideas. If we get a submission from you, we will assume that you've read these writer's guidelines and that you give us permission to send the articles out.

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:30:42 PM EST
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Re: If you want to peddle Rezko shit, (2.00 / 1)

No they are saying don't be so obvious next time.

With the next ID you create, come in, argue a few topics hack give commentary on a few election night results.

Then show due concern for xyz but don't go right to the GOP talking points. Bring it up in reasonable conversation, get folks invested in the point, then cut and past.

Remember better to walk down and get them all then run down and get one.

You might as well go ahead and start with the new account name now, or at lease register for it then let this on fade away...

"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody

by nextgen on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:38:36 PM EST
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rec (none / 0)

for the boyz in the hood line.

But you cleaned it up so much I almost didn't recognize it.

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:58:13 PM EST
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Spoot - Obamacots can't stand hearing (none / 0)

the names Obama, Rezko and Pringle in the same sentence.

It send shivers down their legs - or perhaps it's something else!

Pay no heed to them.

Pringles articles are good and substantive - BO and Rezko go back a long long way and it scares members of the Obamnation to death.

by CoyoteCreek on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:04:25 PM EST
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Re: If you want to peddle Rezko shit, (none / 0)

Her article is a digest of information that has been posted elsewhere, as well as a record of Obama's votes while a state senator in Illinois.

She is not pulling the information out of her butt.

If you are interested in such matters, you should also read the columns of John Kass, as published in the Chicago Tribune.

by shopoutsmydd on Thu May 29, 2008 at 01:49:39 PM EST
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Re: Anybody know anything on the Evelyn Pringle Ob (none / 0)

This is all crap; smearing a democratic frontrunner is not acceptable

My guess is you work for McCain, as a paid troll

by fightbull on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:56:38 PM EST

Please no accusations, it makes heat, not light (none / 0)

I am not a McCain troll, I am a Clinton supporter who is voting Democrat in the fall. If Obama is the candidate I want him to win big and I fervently hope he will be a good president. We need successful passing of our party's agenda and a change for the good of the world.

I just don't want the party ambushed is all. If this series of articles amount to a hit piece and not real journalism, I want to know.

I looked up Pringles bonafides, and her other articles are in the true left wing muckraker tradition, a la Greg Palast

by spoot on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:03:17 PM EST
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Re: Articles (1.00 / 5)

I don't think Evelyn Pringle's credentials are the issue nor is the matter of which other websites pick up her story. She is an investigative journalist (of 35 years standing) who has been reporting the Rezko trial.

The information imparted in her articles is simply jury evidence gleaned from that trial ie it is all verifiable.

The two key people who benefitted from the very complex "Combine" operational fraud were Governor Rod Blagojevich and Senator Barack Obama (Rezko himself donated $250,000 to his campaigns). The prosecutor has hinted at an indictment of the Illinois Governor and it may be just a matter of time before Obama is affected.

It is a smoking bomb.

Link to OpedNews

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/search. php?search_in=writings%2Fstory&resul ts_per_page=30&searchstring=pringle& amp;submit=Site

by MalUK on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:20:05 PM EST
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Re: Articles (none / 0)

You work in pairs now?

We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin

by spacemanspiff on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:22:43 PM EST
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What is a smoking bomb? (2.00 / 3)

Please don't mix metaphors.

Use:

Smoking Gun

Ticking Bomb

More appropriately, for this case however, would be:

Red Herring

by emptythreatsfarm on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:28:31 PM EST
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Nothing to see here. (none / 0)

The Chicago Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune would both be all over anyhing fact based. I know the Chicago Sun-Times has a staff blog position for the Trial. The trial itself has been rather boring, the jury has been deliberating, nothing has come of it. It does not appear anything criminal is going to come of the Rezko connection for Obama. I think the biggest impact would be his friendship with "middle-eastern" people, along the lines of the "he is a Muslim" smear, racism for the ignorant.

The problem with this argument on behalf of Clinton, is she has had similar associates. And greater volume of them. So if you want to throw Obama out because of this taint, the same would have to be done for Clinton. Does this mean we should nominate Edwards or Gore?

Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. ~ Sun Tzu

by Tumult on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:32:09 PM EST
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Wow (2.00 / 1)

to bad that rule didn't apply when HRC was supposedly the frontrunner...

by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:30:46 PM EST
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Re: Wow (2.00 / 2)

When was she winning?

A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

by hootie4170 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:38:54 PM EST
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Oh? (none / 0)

I thought she was the front runner all the way up unto Iowa? You can't have it both ways- hence the point.

by linc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:42:42 PM EST
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She was. (none / 0)

She had every advantage going in. Unfortunately, once people started voting, she never tied Obama in pledged delegates again.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:43:55 PM EST
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Re: Anybody know anything on (none / 0)

To the diarist, I think you can consider the answer to your question is - it's crap.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:59:10 PM EST

you're brave for asking that here (2.00 / 3)

and you see what kind of responses you get. First, as far as I know the author is legit and is following the Rezko trial. A verdict is due sometime in June which may or may not implicate Obama in a corruption scam on housing for political donations. Patrick Fitzgerald--of scooter libby fame--is leading the investigation and apparently has referred to Obama in court proceedings as "Official X" (not sure if its a, b, or x, so I put x).

You can go directly to the source for more information. No Quarter is a blog that is critical of Obama. They are not "peddling racist shit", or trash, as some commenters here would have you believe. They are talking about Obama's weaknesses that heretofore have not been addressed.

by 4justice on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:59:31 PM EST

thanks for respecting me (2.00 / 2)

I get frustrated by the attitude I get.

Believe me, Obama people, we Clinton voters are not your enemy. The Primary is almost over and the real election begins.

What gets me is that Democrats are really more united than ever this year, when you talk about the issues we care about. It is only in this contest to decide who we pick to lead us, that we get into the personal side, character stuff and baggage and all those intangibles.

What I want to know from Obama people is substantive answers but instead I get hostile one sentence remarks, no explanations, no real rebuttals.

But I admit, I asked for it. Instead of reading the articles, I wanted to know whether they were on the level or not. I guess I will retreat and make up my own mind after reading them in full.

by spoot on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:12:18 PM EST
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Re: thanks for respecting me (1.66 / 3)

You have to understand that Obama supporters here are kind of an embattled group; there's a crowd of Clinton supporters around here that likes to do the same thing to Obama that the right-wing did to the Clintons in the '90s. If you have the time to shower afterward, do check out sites like the racist No Quarter and the cesspool that is Hillaryis44; those are the only people referencing Pringle. The mainstream press has backed off from this for a reason: there's absolutely no indication of any kind that Barack Obama did anything wrong.

Unfortunately you've received a bit of a negative reaction; a lot of people's troll-dar is being (wrongly, it appears) set off by your post asking if there's anything to this Rezko business. I have to admit that when I first read this diary, it seemed to me like you were using Cavuto marks.

I apologize for others' negativity here. I think that as you look at the story, you'll see that there really isn't any "there" there. Pay particular attention to the Trib's reporting on the matter... they've been following this since the beginning. If they're satisfied, as they seem to be, that Obama did absolutely nothing wrong, then I think you should be too.

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by mistersite on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:23:05 PM EST
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Yeah I know about No Quarters (2.00 / 1)

And I do not visit Hillaryis44 or Tailor Marsh. I know echosheres when I see them.

Thanks for answering me. Your response was the kind of thoughful and informative reply I was looking for.

I am also aware that Governor Blagojevich is the prime target of Fitzgerald's investigation. I do think that he wants to target political corruption in the Chicago/Illinois political machine. That's Fitzgerald's MO.

by spoot on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:33:47 PM EST
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Well said mistersite (none / 0)

I checked "spoot's" history over at DK, and the most I can say is that s/he is just ill-informed, but not a troll.

Naturally, I'm assuming spoot here is the same user as on DK.

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.

by DemsRising on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:47:31 PM EST
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Re: Well said mistersite (none / 0)

From what I gather she's only posted on one day over there, May 20th, for a total of ten posts...Kinda suspicious if you ask me.

A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

by hootie4170 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:54:04 PM EST
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No, they have 9 diaries (none / 0)

And the 10 comments are only the most recent in the last 30 days. Check further back (adjust the date) in the archives, and no troll ratings that I saw for the most current 60 posts.

Not all of us are prolific commenters. ;o)

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.

by DemsRising on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:01:40 PM EST
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Re: No, they have 9 diaries (none / 0)

I don't know why I would ever question you... ;)

A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

by hootie4170 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:27:35 PM EST
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But I hope that you continue (none / 0)

to do so. I'm always happen to eat my words when necessary.

Wish I could say the same about others.

A ship adrift in a sea of rhetoric & recycled clichés.

by DemsRising on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:02:58 PM EST
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Re: Well said mistersite (none / 0)

"My first diary here was about my journey from Hillary hater to supporter. I always saw her as a Cruela diVille type, cold, calculating, blindly ambitious. But lately I have seen her grace under fire." - The Spootster

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2 /8/4305/44088

Sometimes first impressions are correct.

by Joe Beese on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:11:35 PM EST
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Re: Well said mistersite (2.00 / 2)

Being a Hillary supporter doesn't mean you're a troll, dear.

by skohayes on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:30:48 PM EST
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Re: thanks for respecting me (none / 0)

Why the TR, lanikai? Explain yourself.

Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.

by mistersite on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:08:35 PM EST
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Re: you're brave for asking that here (none / 0)

so way don't you go troll?

by zerosumgame on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:15:56 PM EST
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Cite support for your smear about Obama... (2.00 / 1)

... being referred to in court proceedings, or retract it.
"Public Official A" is Governor Blagojevich, as has been public since late February.

Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.

by tbetz on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:21:25 PM EST
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Rec (none / 0)

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:37:34 PM EST
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Save us Larry Johnson!, Save us from Obama! (2.00 / 2)

You are correct that No Quarter does talk about Obama's weaknesses.

For example, he is a black nationalist, crypto-Muslim, affirmative-action benefitting empty suit (as is his wife).

It's just that these weaknesses aren't real.

by emptythreatsfarm on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:31:16 PM EST
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Rec (2.00 / 1)

Someone should spend some time checking out Larry's past and present.

I spent 5 minutes and found that his partner in Berg assc. was a former DEA chief in Costa Rica during Iran Contra and has been banned entry by the Costa Rican government for suspected drug smuggling.

This same partner went to work for Oliver North after leaving the DEA.

Rumor has it that while DEA chief he sold out an informant to Noriega who had him killed as soon as he arrived back in Nicaragua.

Larry is an imperial stooge of the highest magnitude.

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:48:36 PM EST
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Re: you're brave for asking that here (2.00 / 1)

"Finally I really do want to see how APE shit BO gets...when the shoe is on the other foot in a rubbernecking way a sad as it will be. The immoral acts of BO and MO will be front and center.

But we will find out when we find out. I feel no pity for any of them. Inferior people should not be employed."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/ why-i-believe-the-michelle-obama-tape-ex ists/

Nope, no racism there.

by Joe Beese on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:36:06 PM EST
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Re: you're brave for asking that here (1.50 / 2)

And yet Jerome legitimizes that trash by allowing Alegre, Susanhu, TexasDarlin, Newhampster, anna shane, and others to post there while rigging the rec list here so their recommends have more weight.

Disgusting really.

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:52:01 PM EST
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Re: you're brave for asking that here (2.00 / 1)

My recommendation: go find somewhere else. Big Orange would welcome you with open arms.

by Montague on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:53:50 PM EST
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sorry (none / 0)

I would be ashamed if I let my website content be rigged to my liking by folk that condone the racist, maniacal crap at NQ.

That mydd can't find enough decent clinton supporters to weight the rec list, never mind letting the community decide, then perhaps the site should reconsider the policy.

Larry and susan deleted the Obama defending replies but left the following...

Comment by karen457lowell | 2008-05-24 20:47:18

Is the book of revelation in the bible finally coming to its completion? It's just so weird to me that so many white people that (majority are racist) not all are but all of a sudden they like this man. I mean look what happen with Dr. King. Someone once told me when I was about 12 years old that the day we have a black president it's the end of days (Apocalypse). Wow damn I didn't believe a day would come like this. So many people are fascinated with this man, some cry, faint, and idolized this man why??? All of a sudden??? His speeches are sooo powerful it knocks everyone down and makes them want him more. When this man came from no where and popped out of no where and what about his experience???? All I know is that there is something weird going on he brings something demonic behind him. He is brain washing all these people about "peace" and "we are the people". Also some black people are saying "yes finally a black president" but the real deal is he is NOT BLACK he is deceiving all these people.
Reply to this comment

Comment by sjl106 | 2008-05-24 21:36:16

This is what is supporting the rec list here.

ps. I like the Big Orange fine.

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:18:39 PM EST
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Re: sorry (none / 0)

Oh, please. The Hillary supporters here are not weird end-of-days loonie-tunes like that.

by Montague on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:31:39 PM EST
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Re: sorry (none / 0)

Then they should stop supporting Larry and Susan who obviously enjoy that sort of readership.

And Jerome should yank recommending privileges from any of the 'authors' contributing there.

Or reinstate all the Obama people he strategically punished and go back to letting the community decide.

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:36:55 PM EST
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Re: sorry (none / 0)

On your first sentence... whatever. I know almost nothing about those two. I don't see them around here at all, posting comments, but I sure see a lot of ugly-talking Obama fans. (Along with a very few reasonable Obama supporters.)

As for sentences 2 and 3, the community has now been swamped ala DKos. I'm just about ready to leave the place. I swear people come over here from DKos because they miss being nasty to Hillary supporters whom they chased away. I hope they are happy (you included, if you behave this way) when Obama loses to McCain because these people have chased away a few too many lifelong Democrats from the polling places in November.

by Montague on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:41:20 PM EST
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Re: you're brave for asking that here (none / 0)

Hey, that's one commenter over there, and incidentally to believe BO and MO are "inferior people" is not racist, a priori. "Ape shit" is arguable simply because ape-shit is a commonly used term, but I can imagine the commenter meant it in a racist way.

Meanwhile, people are posting racist and sexist crap on DKos, MyDD and other places. You holding that against Markos? No? Then don't hold it against Larry Johnson. If he himself says something even marginally racist, like the commenter you quoted, then pound away.

by Montague on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:58:15 PM EST
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Re: you're brave for asking that here (none / 0)

At mydd and dkos, we delete that crap.

Susan and larry delete the offened replies.

Period. End. Of. Story.

by ameridad on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:20:37 PM EST
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Re: you're brave for asking that here (none / 0)

One thing is for sure, in the last two weeks as the Orangemen have been pouring over onto MyDD, the TR'ing has gone overboard. I say let information out. On the whole, one might as well let anybody who says something truly nasty get hoist on their own petard.

by Montague on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:33:48 PM EST
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Re: you're brave for asking that here (none / 0)

Link to prove this?

United we stand, divided we fall.

by mefeck on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:43:07 PM EST
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This is almost certainly a troll diary... n/t (none / 0)

by Carcas on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:00:52 PM EST

Yeah sure (none / 0)

Don't think you are fooling anyone here, if you really wanted some answers you would have checked google.

Fucking trolls!

I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson

by obamaovermccain on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:06:33 PM EST

Re: Yeah sure (2.00 / 1)

and once again we see all that BHO'ers have to offer...

by zerosumgame on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:16:42 PM EST
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Re: Yeah sure (2.00 / 1)

This is an obvious troll. The fact that you cheer him on says alot more about you than you think.

You're a JOKE zero.

We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin

by spacemanspiff on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:21:03 PM EST
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Re: Evelyn Pringle Obama articles? (2.00 / 2)

The information imparted in her articles is simply jury evidence gleaned from that trial ie it is all verifiable.

It is a smoking bomb.

Link to OpedNews

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by MalUK on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:27:38 PM EST

I'll assume you're legit for now (2.00 / 1)

I empathize with your frustration at getting less than helpful responses to your question. You've caught the Obama crowd doing what comes naturally. Fine examples of citizenry, don't you think?

As mentioned above, the articles are real and they cover several years of Chicago Politics - best sources are No Quarter (who have been following this matter carefully for quite some time) www.noquarterusa.net. There is also www.rezkowatch.blogspot.com.

Obama appears to weave in and out of these sordid activities in a way that reminds me a lot of the Clinton's and Whitewater. Is there any smoking gun? I don't think so.

What makes the stories compelling to me is the incontrovertible truth that Barack Obama presents no more of a fresh face to Washington politics as anyone else - and that he has got a whole new generation of "progressives" thinking otherwise. Sadly - the longterm contribution of the journalistic effort is likely to be lost in the dustbin of history. That doesn't make the stories any less accurate or compelling. Happy reading and stay away from Chicago politics.

by pan230oh on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:30:05 PM EST

Re: I'll assume you're legit for now (2.00 / 3)

You're really citing the racist No Quarter and rezkowatch as credible sources?

An actual credible source, the Chicago Tribune, has found absolutely no indication of any wrongdoing by the Obama campaign.

I think the comparisons of this to Whitewater are apt; just as reasonable people (i.e., people who aren't right-wing nuts) accept that the Clintons did absolutely nothing wrong in that affair, so too do such people accept that Obama did absolutely nothing wrong here.

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by mistersite on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:35:57 PM EST
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Re: I'll assume you're legit for now (2.00 / 1)

The difference is the Clintons stonewalled on Whitewater even thought they were probably blameless, while Obama granted full document access and sat down with two newspaper editorial boards on the Rezko matter. Not at all the same.

Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:36:43 PM EST
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Arkansas Project (2.00 / 2)

Hey, does anyone know anything about this "Arkansas Project" thing? I started reading some stuff online and it's really troubling! Is it legit?

Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:34:13 PM EST

Yeah...it's real (none / 0)

The "Arkansas Project" is just a huge example of how assholes populate the Republican Party. Hopefully, the Republican's turn in the minority will make them more honest and respectful, but I doubt it.

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:28:04 PM EST
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Thanks all (none / 0)

Well with all the heat and light generated here, I got a start of an answer.

I will continue to read but with my bullshit detector turned on.

You know, trust, but verify.

Or as Dylan once said, Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters.

Ciao for now!

by spoot on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:42:12 PM EST

Re: Thanks all (none / 0)

When you come back please take off the McCain 2008 pin...thanks.

A useless "Community Organizer" from Pennsylvania as noted by Republicans, Rudy Giuliani and Sarah Palin

by hootie4170 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:48:56 PM EST
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Worst kind....no preparing the field. (none / 0)

This the worst sort of troll, the kind that don't even try to creat a credible "backstory".

Hey spoot the long time lurker, right?

Never moved to rate a post?

Never moved to comment on any post till this month.

If your gonna troll, friggin lay some groundwork.

"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody

by nextgen on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:46:51 PM EST

I honestly don't think this guy is a troll (2.00 / 2)

Saying they will vote democrat is a non-trollish behavior. Ease up on the troll-dar a bit.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:06:59 PM EST
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Re: I honestly don't think this guy is a troll (none / 0)

Saying he will vote Democrat is a quick way to pass the "true democrat" test.

I could go post stuff about McCain as concern and claim I'm voting Repub...it would not make it true only a tool to disarm.

Heck I have!!!

Just kidding...

"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody

by nextgen on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:15:20 PM EST
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Re: I honestly don't think this guy is a troll (2.00 / 1)

The diarist is a Hillary supporter that has been posting over at DKos since last December. Even has a few well reccomended diaries.
It might educate you to do a search over there before throwing the troll accusations around.

by skohayes on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:43:51 PM EST
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Re: I honestly don't think this guy is a troll (none / 0)

I stand corrected, a troll of a different flavor.

"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody

by nextgen on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:01:10 PM EST
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Re: I honestly don't think this guy is a troll (none / 0)

Even has a few well reccomended diaries

1 post with 21 rec's and another 8 with a combined 38

Not quite "well recommended"

That said, you are right this person is not a Troll, republican or otherwise and I should be more careful in the future.

This person is a Hillary supporter who says this..

I am concerned about the negative coverage of our candidates. As a Clinton supporter I am somewhat pleased when Obama gets negative coverage and unhappy when Clinton gets the same. But since I care about putting a Democrat in the White House, I don't want either of them so bloodied that we can't win the election in November.

Then post what they did today...

The two don't seem to match up..

"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody

by nextgen on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:17:16 PM EST
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hmm (2.00 / 2)

So my troll-dar not registering on the diarist so I will not spam the diary with fail pics (my normal response to trolls of any sort (including horrible ones like blowjobBillClinton [I think I got that one banned for it's name] ilikebillnot/WWGWD/rodhamclintonfeh (got 2 of those three handles banned) and the like. A troll is a troll and the diarist doesn't come across like one. However some of the commenters are in stage 1-2 of the 5 stages still (as evidenced by their defending NoQuarter against charges of racism-they have a diarist called "uppity" (any guess why that name was chosen for an Anti Obama site?).

I am guessing there are no trolls in this diary except MalUK (my troll dar is pinging but not strongly enough to go all out since I got burned on calling someone a Paul-Tard not too long ago).

One last note to the diarist: if the USA media refuses to report on something that could bring it huge profits (like an account Obama getting charged on corruption) then it likely isn't true. The traditional media has a profit incentive.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:55:29 PM EST

Re: hmm (none / 0)

Administrators listen to you?

It would be nice if somebody got Michael Begala and chitown denny banned.

We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin

by spacemanspiff on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:00:12 PM EST
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I told Todd and Johnathon about them (none / 0)

Their handles were ridiculous. I haven't sent anything about Chitowndenny as I don't have a firm enough belief that he/she is a troll (I want proof of ownership of the site before I consider him/her a real troll and not just a concern troll).

As for michael Begala, I've submitted on him only once, on his next diary I'll hit Johnathon and Todd again (I suggest you do as well as the more numbers the better for getting trolls banned).

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:05:14 PM EST
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Re: hmm (2.00 / 2)

Posting pictures and harrassing any diarist lowers the quality of the site. That is the method they use at DK and believe me there is no place lower. If you think the diary is a "troll" diary, then just don't make statements in it. There is no troll who is going to stay around when he is being ignored, and noone posts in the diary. Really, the accusations and posts here lately are sickening, and juvenile fail pictures just make it worse. I feel like this is a 5th grade blog anymore.

by Scotch on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:11:44 PM EST
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Re: hmm (2.00 / 2)

Rec'ing the diaries of obvious trolls is a great way to ruin the site too, which is why I found it so odd you recommended the diaries of pyro poster yesterday.

Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:19:24 PM EST
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Re: hmm (none / 0)

He's schooling me upthread and calling out Obama supporters and he/she rec's the most obvious troll diaries ever.

Hypocritical to say the least .

We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin

by spacemanspiff on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:30:13 PM EST
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Re: hmm (1.00 / 4)

"But in the end, after all the hassle and cold, people were roaring when Hillary walked into the room, and were ready to show her how much we appreciated the time she took to stop there.

But, that is not what I am writing to tell you about last night. Most of all, I want to explain how my heart unexpectedly swelled when I was walking onto the floor of the gym where the rally was held." - The Scotchster

http://scotch.mydd.com/story/2008/4/2/20 2733/9511

Did any of your other body parts swell when Hillary showed up?

by Joe Beese on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:29:03 PM EST
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Re: hmm (none / 0)

Your point?

by Scotch on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:16:34 PM EST
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I think that trolls (none / 0)

deserve to be bashed otherwise they can silently post diaries here which impunes the rep. of this site.

By spamming their diaries with pics you show that they are a troll and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:30:05 PM EST
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I know I'm going to hate myself for asking... (none / 0)

but why did they call it "No Quarter." Is it meant as they will not accept "a quarter" of African-American blood in a President?

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:34:03 PM EST
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Re: I know I'm going to hate myself for asking... (2.00 / 1)

No Quarter has been around longer than this campaign. Larry Johnson is a former CIA agent and used to be respected blogger over at Daily Kos and his insight wrt the Valerie Plame debacle was very informative.
I'm sorry that this campaign has turned him into such a raving lunatic, frankly, but he used to be a Republican (I'm pretty sure), so it doesn't totally surprise me.

by skohayes on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:02:02 PM EST
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So then "No Quarter" stands for.... (none / 0)

giving no quarter to the enemy?

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:16:50 AM EST
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Re: So then "No Quarter" stands for.... (none / 0)

Yes, that's probably it. I was thinking along the same lines.

by skohayes on Tue May 27, 2008 at 07:40:31 PM EST
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Re: Anybody know anything on the Evelyn Pringle Ob (2.00 / 2)

With respect, you'll have trouble getting good answers. I posted a similar diary about a book that commented about Hillary's role in the Clinton White House and, despite my own support of her opponent, just wanted an honest critique of whether the facts in the book were true or not. But the environment, right now, is such that you can't do such a think without being labeled a "concern troll" or something to that effect. Hopefully it'll improve after June 3.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:17:08 PM EST

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