Carter repeats: Gaza is a 'human rights crime'

No, more than a human rights crime. It is "one of the greatest human rights crimes now existing on Earth" says Carter. Think the Myanmar junta, the Sudanese government, and now the Israeli/US/EU (Blair) coalition, and yes, that would be us.

Following up on his first expose of Israeli war crimes in Gaza, the deadly siege, blockade, and collective punishment Israel has imposed on the Hamas controlled territory and its 1.5 million residents, Jimmy Carter spoke out again, this time in Wales, essentially turning up the volume on his previous Cairo message and more.

This report came through the French news agency, Agence France-Presse (AFP), and was picked up by Yahoo News.

LONDON (AFP)
Sun May 25, 2008

In a speech at a literary festival in Hay-on-Wye, in Wales, the 83-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner said: "There is no reason to treat these people this way," referring to the blockade, in place since the Islamist Hamas movement seized Gaza in June 2007.

According to Carter, the failure of the European Union to support the Palestinian cause was "embarrassing." He said European countries should be "encouraging the formation of a unity government," including Hamas and Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas's rival Fatah movement. "They should be encouraging Hamas to have a ceasefire in Gaza alone, as a first step," he told the invited guests. "They should be encouraging Israel and Hamas to reach an agreement in prisoner exchange and, as a second step, Israel should agree to a ceasefire in the West Bank, which is Palestinian territory."

Carter also said the United States had to begin holding direct talks with Iran over the Islamic Republic's controversial nuclear programme, which the West believes is aimed at developing a nuclear bomb, despite Tehran's denials. "We need to talk to Iran now, and continue our discussions with Iran, to let Iran know the benefits, and the detrimental side, of continuing with their nuclear programme," he said.

The big question is this: why can't Carter make these statements in the US and why isn't the mainstream media reporting them from wherever they originate? And how did Americans get pulled into this war crime as an accessory in the first place? Think Cheney-Bush.



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Re: Carter 'human rights crime' (none / 0)

Carter is a mixed bag, when he's talking about Gaza he gets it, an occupation makes criminals of both sides.  It's a human disaster zone, those poor people, you have to look to Africa to find greater suffering.  But, he's also a fat head, go figure.  


by anna shane on Mon May 26, 2008 at 04:25:39 PM EST

Re: Carter 'human rights crime' (2.00 / 1)

One person's fat head is another's Nobel Peace Prize winner. Go figure.


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by shergald on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:01:18 PM EST
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Re: Carter 'human rights crime' (none / 0)

sometimes winners are also fat heads. On the whole I've always admired Carter, and since he announced for the first completely credible time that Israel has nuclear weapons, i'd say that's a statement that elevates him in my book.  Speaking truth is always right with me.  


by anna shane on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:10:15 PM EST
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Everybody has known that since the 70s.. (none / 0)

Its an open secret. (South) Korea and Japan probably too. South Africa, lots of Arab countries.

The Khan network was huge, so the last few years have probably seen many nations get nukes.

However, if they don't tell anybody, then the US will pay for defending them. (What a great deal!)


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:23:48 PM EST
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Re: Everybody has known that since the 70s.. (none / 0)

i know, but it's not an open secret anymore, now it's open.  


by anna shane on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:26:28 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza is a 'human rights crime' (2.00 / 1)

Carter is vilified  because during his Presidency he disrupted the system by tying foreign aid to human rights....and brokered the only real Middle East resolution. He then compounded it by having the nerve to take a barely noticed organization "Habitat for Humanity" and through his efforts make it what it is today. His books and efforts on Peace through Human Rights clearly are out of mainstream America.

So it goes eh..


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Mon May 26, 2008 at 04:28:25 PM EST

Re: Carter repeats: Gaza is a 'human rights crime' (2.00 / 1)

yep he is clearly a dangerous agitator! ;p


by zerosumgame on Mon May 26, 2008 at 04:35:07 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza is a 'human rights crime' (none / 0)

carter is an example why we can't trust obama with the presidency


by awayer on Mon May 26, 2008 at 04:51:19 PM EST
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twins (2.00 / 2)

Obama and his damn peanut farm in Georgia and his beer drinking brother Billy Obama.

I can't wait to find out about the lust in his heart.  Michelle isn't going to take that well.


by emptythreatsfarm on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:00:08 PM EST
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Obama is as mainsteam a player as exists. (none / 0)

Obama is a 'FIXER'. He has turned a nightmare situation for a number of the owners of America around. Just like Bush, except better.

They picked him probably because he is a player, he's probably predictable as far as what matters to them, and also because since he is half black,  that defuses a lot of issues that will come up in the next few years.

Obviously, Hillary presents huge problems with her embrace of universal healthcare, but another threat was riots over housing as people who don't make six figure salaries are going to be forced out of the cities by rising gas prices. (The more well to do will want to be close to their jobs- and be able to afford it.)

Supply and demand.

With Obama as President, this will probably be a manageable problem.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:32:15 PM EST
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Re: Obama is as mainsteam a player as exists. (none / 0)

We need a new rating.... "nonsense rate" or "stupid rate" for stuff like this.

Seriously dude.... I get it, you think mandates are a good idea (I don't.. I think mandates are a HORRIBLE idea)... but that's fine.. we have a difference of opinion.

But this?  Just silly


by CaptainMorgan on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:00:16 PM EST
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Experts repeatedly insist mandates ARE necessary (none / 0)

Hillary is going to cushion their impact on people by subsidizing their costs above 10% of income, meaning that people get a dramatically better healthcare deal under Hillary than under Obama. Sick people are actually protected.

Obama would not decrease costs under his old plan and INCREASE COSTS if he does actually try to create a new government plan that ends pricing insurance by risk without a mandate.

Here's why.. Now, this is the Economist speaking, not some wild eyed radical..

http://www.economist.com/research/Econom ics/alphabetic.cfm?LETTER=A


Adverse Selection

When you do business with people you would be better off avoiding. This is one of two main sorts of market failure often associated with insurance. The other is moral hazard. Adverse selection can be a problem when there is asymmetric information between the seller of insurance and the buyer; in particular, insurance will often not be profitable when buyers have better information about their risk of claiming than does the seller. Ideally, insurance premiums should be set according to the risk of a randomly selected person in the insured slice of the population (55-year-old male smokers, say). In practice, this means the average risk of that group. When there is adverse selection, people who know they have a higher risk of claiming than the average of the group will buy the insurance, whereas those who have a below-average risk may decide it is too expensive to be worth buying. In this case, premiums set according to the average risk will not be sufficient to cover the claims that eventually arise, because among the people who have bought the policy more will have above-average risk than below-average risk. Putting up the premium will not solve this problem, for as the premium rises the insurance policy will become unattractive to more of the people who know they have a lower risk of claiming. One way to reduce adverse selection is to make the purchase of insurance compulsory, so that those for whom insurance priced for average risk is unattractive are not able to opt out.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.
by architek on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:40:11 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza is a 'human rights crime' (2.00 / 2)

uh, right up there in the ranks of dumbest comment ever...


by zerosumgame on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:00:56 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza is a 'human rights crime' (2.00 / 2)

Oh wait, now I get it.  

Check out this guys diary:

http://awayer.mydd.com/

If you don't want to read the whole thing, I think it can be best summed up in some comments the diarist includes.

Carter is evil because:

1.  He is personally responsible for Radical Islamic Terrorism

2.  He made some guy who ran a funeral home set his thermostat to 68 degrees.


by emptythreatsfarm on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:07:39 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza is a 'human rights crime' (none / 0)

he made us drive at 55 and he made us save a fortune in oil.  he was soooo bad.  


by anna shane on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:27:46 PM EST
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Bob Barr: True Liberty means no speed limit (none / 0)

I'm glad we can agree on something anna shane.

Jimmy Carter is a purely evil, malevolent soul.


by emptythreatsfarm on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:18:15 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza (none / 0)

the main thing i held against him was his insistence of his right to run for a second term. There was no way he could win, and he ought to have dropped out in favor of someone who might have. But that's the only instance of him putting his own rights above human rights.  


by anna shane on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:11:58 PM EST
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The only strong challenger that Carter had was Kennedy and Kennedy would have lost to Reagan too...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:21:30 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza (none / 0)

would have been worth the try though. Carter certainly couldn't win, but he might have backed someone himself, if he's realized it and caved.  At the time that's what i wanted him to do, and i liked him fine, thought he was unfairly tarnished and tricked, but whatever, i thought the nation was more important, like always.  


by anna shane on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:24:11 PM EST
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As soon as he announced... (none / 0)

Sen. Kennedy lost the Saturday Night Live vote.  He had been "seen" with Suzy Chaffee.  Ms. Chaffee was famous at the time for a commercial where she declared she was now to be called Suzy Chapstick.  SNL parodied that commercial with her declaring she was now to be called Suzy Chappaquiddick.  Sen. Kennedy never stood a chance to be president after that incident and it is too bad he thought he did.  He's been a great Senator.


by tonedevil on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:30:51 PM EST
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Re: As soon as he announced... (2.00 / 1)

To be honest, I prefer Kennedy as a Senator... we would have been limited to 8 years had he been elected President... Would have been done in 1988.  Instead, we have had him much longer in the Senate.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:33:19 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza (none / 0)

Well, there are those who believe that Carter did his greatest work as a humanitarian after leaving office. His Carter Center is responsible for numerous good deeds around the world, especially in Africa. Mention has already been made of his critical support of Habitat of Humanity.

One point I do not agree with, however, is criticism of his introduction of human rights in American foreign policy. It is still with us, imbued the UN with a new philosophical direction, and gets Americans perked up when we hear reports of inhumanity such as is occurring in Darfur, or after Carter term, when we, the people, as opposed to the government (Reagan), support divestment and protests against South African Apartheid.

Contrast the Nixon-Kissinger era when the CIA was taking down democratically elected governments with Clinton's intervention in Bosnia even if we have to forget his non-action in Rwanda. But Bill knows that he erred and he did.


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by shergald on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:27:25 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza (none / 0)

the Persians still blame him for the mullahs.  


by anna shane on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:29:40 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza (none / 0)

Why? Iran's problem was with the secular Saddam, not the Shiite population of Iraq. Or did I miss your point?


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by shergald on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:33:39 PM EST
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Re: Carter repeats: Gaza (none / 0)

I don't know but they blame the fall of the shah on him.  In Iran they hate Carter, almost as much as they hate those mullahs.  And Bush wanted to bomb them, the most democratic loving people in that neck of the woods.  


by anna shane on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:43:13 PM EST
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Gottcha.


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by shergald on Mon May 26, 2008 at 05:55:07 PM EST
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Gaza is controlled by Hamas... (none / 0)

How is it a human rights crime for anyone, but Hamas.  It is the result of Hamas violent take over of Gaza from the PA that people are suffering to the extent that they are (not that the occupation has not had a deletorious effect on the people of Gaza and the West Bank).  And how many rockets have been launched from Gaza on Southern Israel today?  How about the missile that crashed into a mall just a week ago and killed nearly ten?

I like Carter, but in this he is completely off-base, b/c he blames the Israelis only for suffering of the Palestinian people.  He does not discuss the cupability of the Palestinian people and the extremist groups that they have especially in Gaza which they control as equally cupable.  Every time Israel has approached the Palestinians with some kind of peace deal they rejected it (except in 1994).  This is why they unilaterally withdrew from Gaza (Ariel Sharon's attempt to restart the peace process, which came from a man I never would have expected to make such an effort).

The problem I have with your language and Carter's (b/c I think both Carter's and your motives are good) is that such language ignores the cupability on both sides.  This is a war and in a war there are bad people on both sides.  But language like "apartheid" and "human rights crime" ignores that.  Moreover, it is counterproductive, b/c many Israelis think that they won't win either way so they won't make the effort.  Let's work together to get peace and stop trying to blame people.  There's plenty of blame to go around and history hopefully will peg it right.  But if you continue to throw such heated words around, then nothing will be solved and noone will have peace.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Mon May 26, 2008 at 06:09:01 PM EST

Re: Gaza is controlled by Hamas... (none / 0)

The key words you've forgotten include:

           MILITARY OCCUPATION
            COLONIZATION

Still going on today as when it started in 1967, 41 years ago, or should I say since 1948.

You have forgotten that it was Bush who supplied Fatah with weapons in hopes that it would take Hamas down in Gaza, after Hamas was elected by the Palestinians through a fair democratic election.

You also have forgotten that it was Israel who initiallly funded Hamas when it began in 1987 to combat the occupation during the first Intifada.

Your thinking seems to have been affected by Israeli propaganda since 9/11, when this resistance group became labeled a terrorist group. Why? Because in retaliation for Israel's state terrorism in the West Bank and Gaza, it retaliates, and is still trying to do that today. Israel kills Palestinian civilians; Palestinians kill Israeli civilians, both intentionally.

Hamas has proposed a cease fire no less than six times during the past year, and even voluntarily stop firing rockets for one month twice in a self imposed cease fire. Did no good. Israel still insisted on entering the West Bank or flying planes in to kill what they believe are militants, who often turn out to be civilians.

The source of the problem remains Israel's occupation and continued expanionism in the West Bank in order, every supposes, to achieve the Greater Israel the Israeli right wing wants.

Blaming the Palestinians for fighting back is like blaming the French or Italian resistance during WWII or the Algerian resistance for fighting against their occupations.

Blaming Israel is not without its justifications, propaganda aside.


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by shergald on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:15:19 PM EST
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Re: Gaza is controlled by Hamas... (none / 0)

PS: There is no war. There is a military occupation imposed on the Palestinians, which they are fighting against. Period.


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by shergald on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:17:26 PM EST
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There are too many misconceptions in your post... (none / 0)

for me to engage.  I don't have the time and obviously you are not willing to listen.  You blame Israel for everything and ignore the cupbability of the Palestinians and the Arab states surrounding Israel and Palestine.  So I'm not going to engage with someone who will not argue with me honestly.

Peace should be our overriding goal and your attitued is not conducive to peace, because it ignores the realities on the ground.  There is a war going on.  It's been going on since 1948 and there have been many cease-fires.  If you want to discuss how to achieve peace, then I'm with you.  But if all you want to do is blame Israel, then I'm not going to engage with you.  Peace is my overriding goal, which is why I have always opposed the settlements and support the Israeli parties advocating peace.  But I'm not going to call the only Democracy in the Middle East a human rights abuser for an occupation that they are not conducting in Gaza.  


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Mon May 26, 2008 at 07:46:50 PM EST
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Re: There are too many misconceptions (none / 0)

If you could have alluded to even one misconception, I would be happy to hear.

Yes I do blame Israel because as Jimmy Carter repeated a few weeks ago, Israel does not want peace; it wants land. Now if you have the ability to be open then I will direct you to Jeff Halper's site, Israel Committee Against House Demolition, and one of his articles entitled, The Problem With Israel. The problem with Israel is just as Carter stated: it does not want peace, it wants land. And the behavior of the government, the IDF, and the settlers is all attuned to that theme. If you can show me how this behavior is being misunderstood: how the house demolitions, crop and orchard destruction, land confiscations, and so forth do not signify colonialism, then I would be happy to learn better.

You don't want peace, because you cannot blame Israel for what it is doing to the Palestinian people and has been doing for the past 60 years. Israel is no victim here, and as a colonizer of the lands of others, it is responsible for taking a path that would inevitably lead to the deaths of many Israelis, let's not even mention the Palestinians.

So frankly I do not wish to carry on a conversation with anyone based on the notion of equal guilt just because it sounds peace loving. The Palestinian have made mistakes, but since nothing it could have done would have stopped the unrelenting colonialism, it is hard to think of what they could have done instead. Take the kills on the West Bank during the second Intifada instead of retaliating with suicide bombers. Sure. That might have helped them gain something, but a independent state, no. Only a fool believes that Israel ever intended to allow the Palestinians freedom beyond a bantustan existence, and that would include Rabin (listen to Kissinger on Rabin, sometime).

Bye.


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by shergald on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:18:30 PM EST
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There was indeed something that could have... (none / 0)

prevented those deaths and Israel's occupation.  If there was no war in 1967, Israel would not have gained the territory that it currently occupies.  There has been a concerted to destroy Israel since before its founding.

There are going to be two states.  And until people like yourself can accept that and accept that the past does not need to determine the future then there is going to be violence.  Cast blame all you want, but said blame will not change people's minds or prevent the violence that occurs daily.  Hope you enjoy demonizing a nation, because it definitely not helping the Palestinian people.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:12:04 AM EST
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Re: There was indeed something that could have... (none / 0)

Your mind is filled with the opposite of what you preach: that the Palestinians and the Arab countries surrounding Israel are at fault. Going beyond your biased notions, if the Zionists had not chosen to ethnically cleanse over 750 thousand Palestinians in 1948, a third of them prior to Independence, there would not have been any war even then. The 1967 war was started by Israel which preferred not to handle Egypt's bellicosity diplomatically. Much has been written about it. And Israel did not gain territory, it occupied militarily territory that did not belong to it.

Two states is now passe. Israel had numerous opportunities to create a Palestinian state in the territories, but chose instead to continue its colonial expansion. That would include the Camp David/Taba 2000 negotiations, the 2002 and 2006 offers from the Arab League, and even the 2003 offer from Iran. Bush just weighed in heavily on two states, but Israel is just not buying it. It never has. No major Israeli political party espouses a two state solution. Israel will just not give up the Greater Israel dream, and believes that by demonizing the Palestinians, like Hamas, it can still achieve it. At present, it is continuing to kill Palestinians, who continue to fight for freedom and self-determination in the West Bank and Gaza, left and right.

Israel has dragged the US into the abyss with it using our foreign aid and weapons to murder Palestinians.

Two states is now gone. Only the untutored are unable to see that, including Bush. Rice last estimate about two states: "improbable but not impossible."

Give us a break about just who the demon is in this fight. Nationalist/religious Zionism is not really different from Afrikaaner racism of the 80s with its apartheid system and colonialism of South AFrica. And you can ask the South Africans about it, as many of them have written on the topic.

Bye.


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by shergald on Tue May 27, 2008 at 08:49:47 AM EST
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