Another call for transparency

How can we have reasonable discussion if there isn't basic transparency in the information presented here?

Item 1:

A few weeks ago I called for transparency for the data in compiling electoral vote maps.  

The diary was on the recommended list for more than 24 hours and 93% voted in favor of more information regarding which polls were used, their sample sizes, margins of error, etc.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/14/1450 42/287

The response from those who keep the maps was that a) They did it that way four years ago and b) The maps are helpful because you can click on them and change who gets what states.  

But:
 a) The internet has changed a lot in the last four years and what was new then is old technology now. While I used to recommend this site to the college students I teach and my friends and colleagues because of the information provided this not my choice for that purpose now. There are, simply put, better sites, for up to date, accurate and transparent information.  Of course that doesn't have to be the case. This site could be as good as the others.
  b) There's no technical reason that I know of as to why the maps can't both be used to show how the overall electoral votes would shift and allow for transparency regarding the data used to support them.

Item 2:

The graph now front-paged which purports to show that Clinton had more votes per pledged delegates than Obama. Besides certain problems posters have pointed out (such as the ridiculous use of a compressed range, an issue I learned about 30 years ago in an Intro Psych class, via the text How to Lie With Statistics and the issue relating to caucus states, etc.), there is no information presented about what vote totals were included.  The lack of transparency presents a problem for discussing in an intellectually honest way.  

So, once again, I issue a question to the mydd community.

Should there be greater transparency in the electoral vote maps and other data that are front-paged?

Please rec this diary and vote.  And have a happy Memorial Day weekend.


Poll
Should there be greater transparency in the electoral vote maps and other data that are front-paged?
Yes
No

Votes: 22
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Another call for transparency (2.00 / 1)

You raise good points.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:02:34 AM EST

Agreed but don't expect it. Transparency (2.00 / 4)

harms the case Jerome is trying to make.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:18:40 AM EST

Re: Agreed but don't expect it. Transparency (none / 0)

your signature
it might get you banned
but it will be worth it
The primaries are over!
Focus on McCain
by really not a troll on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:02:08 PM EST
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Re: Agreed but don't expect it. Transparency (none / 0)

It'd be funny and telling if I got banned for quoting Jerome's book wouldn't it?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:14:24 PM EST
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that is so sad (2.00 / 2)

I saw the graph and couldn't believe Jerome would post that garbage.  


by highgrade on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:25:48 AM EST

Re: Another call for transparency (none / 0)

well, you can call for it, but it isn't your site.

just saying


by colebiancardi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:29:02 AM EST

Re: Another call for transparency (none / 0)

That was constructive!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:44:28 AM EST
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Re: Another call for transparency (none / 0)

yep, it is called reality.  If you don't pay for the site and run it yourself, you really don't have a whole lot of say in stuff you don't like.


by colebiancardi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:15:06 PM EST
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Re: Another call for transparency (none / 0)

We all have a say in the sense that we have the right to make arguments. But we don't have decision-making power.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:17:22 PM EST
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Re: Another call for transparency (none / 0)

which is what I said originally, but you said it much better :)


by colebiancardi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:48:03 PM EST
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He's not interested in transparency. (none / 0)

The front page posts and "maps" proved this months ago. It will be interesting to watch A.) him disappear or B.) this site implode once Hillary concedes. He could write a month of pro-Obama posts starting today, and it would move his credibility from approximately 0.1% to 0.2%.

The damage is done.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:49:45 AM EST


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