Virginia On the Map -- What it Means

I've noted several times in the past that Virginia is looking more and more like a swing state, with the Democrats winning the last two gubernatorial races, on pace to win a second Senate election in a row, winning control of the state Senate, and, at least according to polling, Barack Obama running within the margin of error of John McCain in the commonwealth. Apparently, the McCain campaign agrees that Virginia is now a swing state:

Aides to McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, and to Obama, the likely Democratic nominee, say they will invest heavily in winning Virginia, which could set the stage for a barrage of television ads, voter registration drives and campaign visits by the candidates.

"I think it is a battleground state," said Rick Davis, McCain's national campaign manager. "I know they are targeting it, and we are certainly targeting it."

The problem for McCain here is manifold. To begin, Virginia is not a cheap place to run an election campaign, with statewide advertising costing at least $1 million per week. Even considering that the Republican National Committee has more than a 9-to-1 cash-on-hand advantage over the Democratic National Committee at this juncture, money that could be put towards defending Virginia -- a state that the Democrats have only carried once in the last 60 years -- there is no assurance that the RNC will have as large of an advantage, if any, over the DNC come the fall to bail McCain out. And as a result of this, along with the fact that Obama will likely have significantly more money to spend on a general election than will McCain, it would hurt the Republicans greatly to have to spend millions and millions of dollars in Virginia.

The problem here is compounded by the fact that there is little evidence that McCain can put states in play that have not been in play in the past. While it would appear that Obama will have to spend to defend states like Pennsylvania and Michigan (though he currently holds leads in both states), the Democrats have had to spend serious dollars and time in Pennsylvania and Michigan in the past. In other words, while Obama may spend more in these states than did John Kerry or Al Gore, these are states that the Democrats traditionally focus serious resources in, so Obama would not necessarily be abnormally stretching himself to play in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Likewise, although polling indicates that Ohio and particularly Florida could be difficult for Obama to win -- they would cost him -- Florida and Ohio have been costly for many Democrats in years past. Again, Obama is not stretched particularly thin in either of these cases.

So while Obama stretches the money-deprived McCain campaign by putting states like Virginia and Colorado -- and even a couple of electoral votes in Nebraska -- into play, the same cannot be said for McCain with regards to the Obama campaign. When you combine this with a money disparity that won't be able to be made up by the RNC -- perhaps not at all if the Democratic nominee is able to turn his or her fundraising prowess to helping the DNC bring in cash quickly and in large amounts (remember, the DNC became flush with cash in the months after Kerry secured the nomination, so it's by no means out of the question that this would happen) -- you have a real potential for a headache for the McCain campaign and the Republicans.



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Re: Virginia On the Map -- What it Means (2.00 / 1)

As a proud Virginian, I would like to say just one thing.

Hells YEEE-AAAH!


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:26:13 AM EST

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If we cannot drive them into oblivion at the polls, which is a slow process, let us simply drive them into debt... so as they have done to the country, so let it be done to them....


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by JenKinFLA on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:28:51 AM EST
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I'll try to schlep over to volunteer as many weekends as possible in VA this fall, as a student at UMD.


by nwodtuhs on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:30:01 AM EST
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Rock on. You can hang at my place if you make it down to Charlottesville, though we're a pretty safe Obama community here. Our work would be better served in SW Virginia.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:36:42 AM EST
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That's what I'm talking about... (2.00 / 1)

We need to be focusing on McShame and getting the WH back in Nov!

We need all the air and ground support that we can get so let's get to it, ya'll.  McCain will NOT win this one.  No, not this time.


To kill one person is murder. To kill thousands is foreign policy." - Chinese writer Moh-Tze
by ILean Left on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:31:14 AM EST

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November is going to rock.

Thank you Virginia!


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:32:22 AM EST

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This is why putting a Virginian on the ticket would be such a good idea. Obama should play to his strengths. Put VA, CO NM and IA in play, and have OH and FL as backups. Force the GOP to defend the traditional swing states while also playing defense in the new ones.


by animated on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:37:38 AM EST

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YES VIRGINIA!!!!!!


I would say at this point we're starting to see a little desperation on the part of the woman who I support... NY Governor Paterson
by obamaovermccain on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:41:26 AM EST

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For Clinton, the electoral map is very easy to compute: take the Kerry percentage and add 4.  And an easy win, really.  (That's simple 1% per year liberal/Democratic trend and well in evidence in pollings.)  

For Obama, it's more complicated.  Maybe the way to go is to look at the Gore percentages and try to find a consistent addend or multiplier.  


by killjoy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:45:21 AM EST

in the case of Virginia ... (2.00 / 1)

it appears that Obama is already at a "Kerry +4" level in the state ... i just wrote a diary re. this: "Obama Shows Strength in Swing States (with MAPS)"


by silver spring on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:06:27 AM EST
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it can't be that complicated for you if you just picked 1% x 4 for Clinton based on a "trend".  

These are GE polls taken in May, they mean next to nothing.  I did not start harping that Obama was invincible when he was up a ton in swing states back in December, because polls taken that far away from November mean nothing.


by Xris on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:08:21 AM EST
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Webb.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:47:08 AM EST

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As a firm believer in Dean's -- and seemingly now Obama's -- 50 state strategy, I see them all as swingers varying by degree.

The old 14 state (or Lose 36) strategy has been a disaster for decades (except for Clinton in his 3 way contests against two of the lamest Repubs in history). Obviously Obama and the party shouldn't put money equally into every state, but everywhere the flag is shown and votes contested forces the GOP to use its resources in places it would prefer not to have to. And with the current Democratic edge in money and brand approval it will strain the GOP to the breaking point and could result in a FDR landslide.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:20:24 AM EST

Re: Virginia On the Map -- What it Means (2.00 / 2)

This is a good diary with quality analysis.  I would add a couple of things.  First of all, the concept of "likely voter" must really confound pollsters these days.

In most elections, the likely voter is pretty easy to calculate based on past voting history and the answer to some basic demographic questions.

This year, not so easy.  The primary turnout has been amazing but it would be foolish to predict a similarly gaudy turnout in November.  We just don't know.

Second, and related, I think the grass roots movement for the fall will be much broader and more intense than in years past.  I like John Kerry, but he did not have an army of inspired troops like Obama and Clinton do.  

I think (no evidence--just an opinion) that if there is no unity after the convention, either Democratic candidate will still have a larger volunteer/donor base than Kerry did.

Further, I think that McCain will have a smaller volunteer/donor base than Bush did.  This feels like a blowout year for Democrats to me.  


by smoker1 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:59:50 AM EST

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I'll believe it when I see it.

The VCU Commonwealth poll that just came out has Obama way behind McCain. Polls showed Kerry ahead at certain points in 2004 too and people murmured about taking it - and he lost it handily when things settled.

If he picks Warner I'd be somewhat optimistic - otherwise I don't buy it.

He's going to have his hands full in PA and OH and Florida is lost.

So much will happen in 6 months.


by GregNYC on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:39:38 AM EST

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The main point is is that even if Obama isn't relying on VA soley to be his "Ace" for electoral votes, he can still force McCain and the GOP to put money into states that they typically wouldn't have to. Therefore, making McCain dig even deeper into his lack of funds, that he cannot use elsewhere. This strategy has been working well for the DCCC as well as others instances.  

No one is saying he's going to win VA but if he can make it competitive and have the GOP spend money there, woo-hoo.

Also on the VP thing: I think Obama himself is going to have to be the "appeal" in the states like VA and CO and etc so adding Warner or someone would just be taking what he's trying to do already. What he needs to do is add Stickland so Ohio can be his backup.


by werd2406 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 04:25:10 AM EST

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Yes, I know Obama will kill in Virginia.  Yes, and the tooth fairy is really good looking, too.  Look, it's a nice analysis, but didn't you forget Washington D.C.?  The media hub wherein everything flows out from.  Where a tin horn senator from the desert can pontificate and have EVERY word covered as if he were the (gasp!) Messiah?

Two Messiahs in one race?  Omygawd!


by krj47 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:11:29 AM EST

Obama's security problem (none / 0)

As the campaign grows on, McCain is going to play on Obama's odd relationships with the Ayers of the world.  In the populous beltway area, where I live, there are lots of retired military, and lots of people working in companies that do business with the intelligence services and the defense industry.  There's a big Northrup Grumman building just down the street from me.

This is what they'll hear (pardon the extract from right wing shill Linda Chavez--it was handy because it came up on my Yahoo news alert this morning):

Obama has said of his relationship to Ayers, "the notion that ... me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense." But Ayers published his memoir in 2001 after he and Obama had become friends. And it was in a Sept. 11, 2001, New York Times article about the book that Ayers said, "I don't regret setting bombs," adding, "I feel we didn't do enough." And when asked by the Times whether he would do it all again, Ayers said, "I don't want to discount the possibility."
 http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080425/cm_u c_crlchx/op_205929

Note that the quote came up on my Yahoo News feed.  The word is slowly spreading on MSM now.

Also, if you look at the Webb-Allen race, Webb outran his liberal ticket mates in northern Virginia.  If Obama can get Webb on the ticket, he might cure that.  But the strength Webb showed among the defense and military folks was because a group of moderately conservative military types went over to Webb.

Now they're voting for the guy who will have access to the bomb, our commander-in-chief.

I don't think Obama will carry the state.

And as the main precinct worker for the Dems in my large precinct, I'm sure not going to be out there working for someone I think is a security threat.

Bush lost much of his military and intelligence support in the 2005-06 period, according to a family member who is a high ranking official.  He initially was for Obama until I sent him a few articles on Obama's associations.  Will be be typical?


by katmandu1 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:17:04 AM EST

Obama's Retore to McCain (none / 0)

Obama, speaking to reporters on his campaign plane late Saturday, also took on Sen. John McCain's suggestion that Obama's lack of military service makes him unqualified to criticize him on veterans issues.

"I will cede to no one the ability to talk about veterans issues," Obama said. "My grandfather was a veteran.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/25/o bama.election/index.html

That's going to go over really well in Virginia.

At least Hillary tried to enlist.


by katmandu1 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:45:15 AM EST

Re: Obama's Retore to McCain (none / 0)

You are lucky you aren't TRed.. .this is nonsense.. Obama is 100% correct.


by CaptainMorgan on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:34:45 PM EST
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McCain is going to lose handily (none / 0)

The GOP brand is so tarnished and McCain is flopping back and forth on core GOP issues that he's going to depress the moderates and the "conservatives" in his base.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:57:15 AM EST

Favorability trends against Obama (none / 0)

Obama's favorability ratings decline -- read all about it here.  http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/i s-obama-no-longer-odds-on-favorite-in.ht ml  In mid February he was +10 and Hillary was -9.   Now they're both at -3 and Obama has a poorer "very unfavorable" rating.


by katmandu1 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:05:57 AM EST

Cherry Picking (none / 0)

What about the fact that Dems are barely ahead in CA (4-9%).   That seems pretty low to me right?  What about the fact that Obama will have to devote major time/ money in order to possibly win OH, PENN, MICHIGAN- and probably has no shot at FLA?  Missouri is looking bad.  NH looks bad.  Um, sorry- I know I'm being Devil's Advocate here- just trying to inject a little reality into the cool-aide.  Have you LOOKED at the polls?  Go to electoral-vote.com. Obama has been behind in every OH poll except ONE since March. That's the same story with Virginia.  As much as I would like to believe that he can win Virginia based on ONE poll showing he and McCain tied- sadly not quite convinced.  Anyway,  that's all from Debbie Downer.


by easyE on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:09:53 AM EST

Re: Cherry Picking (none / 0)

On average Obama is actually up 11 to 12 points in California.


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by Jonathan Singer on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:20:03 PM EST
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Re: Cherry Picking (none / 0)

Ok, but if he's 'ahead' in Michigan, why does the Electoral Vote map in the corner of the main page ('based on the latest polling') show Michigan in red?


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:21:05 PM EST
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Re: Virginia On the Map -- What it Means (none / 0)

Im' a Hilary supporter who will be rooting for Obama but this seems like very wishful spin.

In other words, while Obama may spend more in these states than did John Kerry or Al Gore, these are states that the Democrats traditionally focus serious resources in, so Obama would not necessarily be abnormally stretching himself to play in Michigan and Pennsylvania.

After 8 years of George bush the fact that McCain is competitive in these states is more terrifying than any solace I'd take that 'we spend money there anyway.' If money alone were enough, then Obama wins PA OH etc. against Clinton.

Likewise, although polling indicates that Ohio and particularly Florida could be difficult for Obama to win -- they would cost him -- Florida and Ohio have been costly for many Democrats in years past. Again, Obama is not stretched particularly thin in either of these cases.

What I take from this wishful paragraph is: Ohio and particularly Florida could be difficult for Obama to win.

No Ohio and FL, no Democrat in the White house.


by NY Writer on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:28:01 AM EST

Re: Virginia On the Map -- What it Means (none / 0)

Lots of things by themselves are 5% issues.  outrageous spending will net you about 5%.  A comprehensive voter exclusion program, with reg. fraud and caging and harassment, that will net you about 5%.  An endorsement from a local political dynast, that may get you some points as well.  There are many other factors available for exploitation by both sides, winning is about where both candidates start and how they stitch all their advantages together.


Yes, I'm aware there's a possible misogynist reading of the myth. Sorry.
by Endymion on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:27:34 PM EST
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Obama/Warner

Kaine for Senate!!!


by Bobby Obama on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:58:18 AM EST

1964 (none / 0)

LBJ carried Virginia in 1964, that was 48 years ago, a long time, but not 60.

We can win big this year, look at McSame's anemic fundraising, that indicates the money men have decided that he is a loser.


by Alice Marshall on Sun May 25, 2008 at 04:43:48 PM EST

Daily polls don't say much, but... (none / 0)

While the polls on any given day this far ahead don't tell you much, there are some things to be gleaned from the patterns over the last few months.

Everybody talks about Hilary Clinton carrying Ohio and assumes that's the only way to win. It isn't. And realistically, Obama OR Clinton has a better than even chance of carrying the state. That's why the Dems put so much into it in 2004.

The Democratic strategy (a la the DLC) was always to sort of write off the south and west and focus on "swing states." This hasn't been a big success -- I don't think anyone could argue that the party grew under Clinton's presidency. The other problem with that strategy is it forces you to try and make up for it by putting conservative southern Dems on the ticket. Bill Clinton was just that. Edwards was on the ticket with Kerry to deliver North Carolina. Even Gore was a Tennessean (who failed to carry his home state -- nobody has ever won the modern presidency without doing that). Had Gore carried Tennessee Florida would never have mattered.

Clinton's strategy is the DLC strategy. That is her problem -- she has strong support in the places where Democrats would be expected to win.  But her unfavorable numbers are really high everywhere else. Essentially she would have to fight for Ohio and Florida and would be vulnerable in many traditionally democratic strongholds. More important, though, she isn't even competitive in the states like Nebraska. When she loses there she loses big.

Obama on the other hand forces the GOP to fight in more places. Electoral-vote,com shows that over time McCain is weaker against Obama in more places than Hilary is. That's huge. It means he has to actually spend money in Nebraska, which a Clinton candidacy would just let him slide by without doing. McCain loses Colorado which went GOP for the last three elections. He's vulnerable in New Mexico, and is only single digits ahead in Indiana. Indiana! 11 EV that the Dems used to basically concede.

Those that think Michigan will go for McCain because of the primaries -- I don't buy it. While Democrats are vulnerable there, as well as in Pennsylvania, we have to remember that primary dynamics don't tell you all that much about the GE. If they did Al Gore would have carried Tennessee and Arkansas (another "home" state that I am not confident would go for Hilary, despite her husband being from there).

Obama appeals to a wide demographic that I think exceeds Hilary's in some ways. Yes, HIlary does well among the old Democratic coalition. But that doesn't mean Obama can't make gains there. It's also self-limiting. Um, coalitions can expand, right?

Also, while Obama has problems in Appalachia, that doesn't say anything about the other white-dominated areas he won or does well in (OR, WA, MT, IA -- the list goes on).

I also don't buy the "problem" he has with Latino voters. Why? When the CA primary was on and NPR interviewed local Latinos one guy said "Obama? Isn't he a Muslim? Who is he?"

That says a lot right there. Obama had zero name recognition among Latino voters at the beginning. That can change, and I'd bet his numbers are trending higher there.

Obama has many paths to the presidency. More in some ways than Clinton does. That's why his candidacy excites people.


by camaxtli on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:45:17 PM EST


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