MyDD :: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/Clintonistas Agree

November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/Clintonistas Agree

by labanman, Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:59:09 PM EST

From Politico, to ABC yesterday, CNN today, & the NY Daily News Sunday edition. Finally, the mainstream media is starting to forecast what millions of Clintonistas have been saying this entire primary season.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/050 8/10585.html

Now that we pretty much have a nominee in Sen. Barack Obama, many in the MSM can now report what more than half of all registered democrats have been saying for the past 6 months.

By the way, this is Totally Unacceptable. A damaged and weakened Republican party with historical record high disapproval ratings still winning the Presidential race in November.

The Old Liberal Democrat party elders should be held fully accountable if this should occur in November. To annoint a nominee that received less registered democratic votes will have big repercussions if our party goes down in defeat in November.

Especially when All Accounts show that the "woman" democrat would defeat the Republican McCain by winning a landslide 300+ electoral votes.

Instead, what is ABC,CNN,Politico, & NY Daily news reporting?

" Sen. John McCain could win in November by an electoral college blowout. It would be a huge Republican Presidential win. Much bigger than the 35 electoral margin that carried President Bush over Kerry in 2004. It would mark a return to the 80's formula. While Democrats do well in local House races & increase their margins, we would once again lose the national race."

This is a very heavy price to pay of the sake of making racial history. Too big a price for the next 4 years.

By late October, please do not be surprised when John McCain is polling at 300 - 320 electoral votes.

Having a close national popular vote means nothing. Absolutely nothing. City after city, urban area after urban area can come out in record numbers in November. All that will do is keep the Chicago Democrat competitive in the popular vote.

But the only one that matters, the Electoral votes will be a totally different picture.

This should be the finally straw at the credibility of many so called " Left of Center netroots leaders" like Kos.

Tags: Clinton, Obama, Blowout (all tags)

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Troll (2.00 / 5)

The Old Liberal Democrat party elders

Need we say more?

Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:02:28 PM EST

Re: Troll (2.00 / 1)

It is funny how they always make this mistake.

You totally had us until the "Democrat" thing, dude!

by Pat Flatley on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:05:15 PM EST
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Re: Troll (2.00 / 1)

Heh. Stupid wingnuts. They spend so much time crafting trolls, and they blow it.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:06:24 PM EST
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ATTENTION ALL (2.00 / 2)

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:13:49 PM EST
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Re: Troll (2.00 / 1)

Heh. After decades of using that slur against our party it has to be a hard habit to break.

Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:07:47 PM EST
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LOL!!!! (none / 0)

AT YOU!!!!

Mooseburgers? Careful Sarah. Moose bite back!

by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:02:29 PM EST

Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (none / 0)

Correct, the popular vote means nothing.

by Pat Flatley on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:03:59 PM EST

Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (none / 0)

While you mention a variety of sources, you only provide one; and if we're going to start citing Kuhn, could we at least start taking campaign advice from NRO? Maybe have Limbaugh speak at the convention?

Sorry, Clinton lost. But both her and Obama were/are more than electable in this cycle, and we're moving beyond this sort of invective. Since you're not, I guess there's only one thing we can say about you:

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:05:35 PM EST

Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (none / 0)

I approve of your troll.

But we could use a Noid.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:08:48 PM EST
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Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (none / 0)

NO! We must AVOID the Noid!

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:12:43 PM EST
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Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (2.00 / 1)

Pretty thin gruel. I'd be shocked if Republican PR flacks were talking about a McCain loss. If you think that if Clinton were going to be the nominee they'd be talking about how McCain is Doomed! Doomed! well, I don't know what to tell you.

by letterc on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:05:39 PM EST

Re: November BLOWOUT (none / 0)

Well, if wishes were horses........we'd all be eating steak.

Ain't no way the candidate who couldn't win the primary system that most rewarded name recognition and national prominence is gonna outperform in the general.

I'm sorry. I don't mean that as disrespect to Senator Clinton, but her performance over much of the primary season has been far less than expected, especially in light of her much-touted qualities.

If the Republicans bothered to, they could drive her already very very high negatives even higher. Its what they're good at.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:06:48 PM EST

Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (2.00 / 1)

Not sure how to even begin responding to this beauty. Someone should clue in this drooler that "making racial history" - whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean - is not the point.

The only point of agreement we may share is that this may well lead to a crisis in the Democratic Party. Progressives can go in one direction, people like this diarist who are scared of all things "urban", can go another.

by PositiveFreedom on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:07:14 PM EST

Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (2.00 / 1)

So a close popular vote in the General means nothing, but in the primary it means everything?

by Bobby Obama on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:09:10 PM EST

Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (2.00 / 1)

Utterly and totally desperate, aren't you?
Counting electoral votes before the GE campaign begins is ludicrous. Once the primaries are finally over and Hillary finally graciously concedes, Obama can begin to take McCain on in earnest.

And not only will Obama clean McCain's clock, he will lead the establishment of a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress.

Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie

by toyomama on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:10:09 PM EST

Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (2.00 / 1)

Oh brother I've seen weak arguments here but this one maybe the weakest.

First some rather large assumptions are made for it only being May.

NH Break to McCain maybe, but I doubt it. I live in the state and we went purple in '06 and Sununu (R) is not doing well at the moment against Jeanne Shaheen.

MI breaking to McCain. Again the state is trending Democrat with both Obama and Clinton outperforming McCain. Yes, it's only May, but this has been a steady trend.

I will admit the Repugs probably got lucky in picking McCain to go up against either candidate, but I don't believe that lucky.

No matter who the Democratic nominee is it is going to be a tough exhausting campaign. Which will be tougher on him than is opponent. And he' starting out with camaign problems from the get go.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/us/pol itics/25mccain.html?_r=1&ref=us& oref=slogin

And his age may not be a huge issue, but it is an issue with a number of voters.

John also has problems with gaffes and if he gets backed into a corner say at a debate we may see his famous temper flare.

Conclusion I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the Poliico article and certainly not in May. If they were saying this in September I might be worried.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:41:51 PM EST

what is the strategy here? (2.00 / 1)

I realize its tempting to call the author a troll, but I fail to see how reporting an article and set of maps that clearly show the electoral college deficit of Obama qualifies for the kinds of comments I see here, just calling the author a troll. Do you realize you are just feeding eachother here, not helping your candidate?

Is it because of the publication? Do you just absolutely dismiss any information that is critical? How is that going to work in the general?

Is it because you don't believe it? If you don't believe it, why not respond with substance, i.e., your own winning map, instead of calling names? If you just call names it makes me think that the article is true and you're nervous.

Since I've not seen any substantive arguments against this electoral vote college calculation, and in fact I've seen it on other sites, then I conclude that your guy is in serious trouble.

Rather than call names, you might consider getting to work for your candidate.

by 4justice on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:41:55 PM EST

Re: what is the strategy here? (2.00 / 1)

Haha. What do you expect Republicans to say? Privately, they know they'll lose (and say so anonymously), but what should they say publicly: we really f'd up the country and now we're going to lose the presidency and get routed in congress?

I mean how are we suppose to respond to a diary like this? It's all based on speculation, then it throws in just the right amount of complete bullshit, and rounds it out with a touch of offensive statements about race and gender. A lot of substance.

John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country

by minnesotaryan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:11:00 PM EST
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Re: what is the strategy here? (none / 0)

You might, for starters, go back to the front page of this very site and hit F5. Note that McCain loses to either Democrat in current polling, which would seem to rob this diarist's argument of some much-needed facts.

Ceci n'est pas une <<snark>>

by ipsos on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:28:01 PM EST
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Hm. (2.00 / 2)

Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008

by zcflint05 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:00:58 PM EST

If only you had a black cat in that picture. (2.00 / 1)

You could be making "racial history"!!!

by edg1 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:00:24 PM EST
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Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! Republicans/C (none / 0)

Anything is possible, but I do think with the hard work, Obama might be able to win. Again, a lot of this depends on how Clinton responds. If Bill and Hillary stump for him enough, then this shouldn't be a problem. However, if they do not come around, then issues of "unity" MIGHT develop.

It would be a HUGE upset if McCain won, maybe eclipsing the one in 1948, when Truman won against GOPer Dewey of NY

by American1989 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:01:05 PM EST

Hmmm... (2.00 / 1)

Obama can win theoretically, but his map is a lot smaller in terms of viable EV's than Clinton's.

I don't want to see a Democrat lose in November. But if that happens, at least we'll have a strong Congress to weaken McCain. Plus, the McGovern wing of the party will have enough egg on its face that they will have to accept that the country is a lot more centrist than they would like to believe. On the bright side, if there is a party fissure, I see Clinton Dems and AA's remaining in the party; AA's will be glad the party anointed Obama and will be even more loyal to Democrats. If anyone has to leave it would be the Neoliberals. They can run Markos as their candidate in 2012.

Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.

by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:25:20 PM EST

Re: Reality hurts-Something wrong (2.00 / 3)

Amazing. To even hear words or phrases like "hope he can win" or convince ourselves that Obama "should be able to" or Obama "could really" or Obama " has a shot at" winning in November.

We as a nation are witnessing the " Most Damaged" Republican party since Nixon. Yet in the same sentence, we are " Keeping Our Fingers Crossed","biting our lips", "Praying to God", that our nominee Barack Obama can pull it off in November.

To hear words like, " lets hope democrats support Obama in November". "Lets hope millions of Latinos don't cross party lines" . "lets hope
millions of working class whites vote for Obama".

Am I missing something here or did we just nominate a Very Weak Democratic Nominee for the General election.

So many handicaps, so many factors, so many excuses- Yet we all have to act & sound "Politically Correct"- so as not to offend Jesse Jackson, Barack Obama & black democrats.

What the hell is wrong with that picture?

By the way, the pile on reminds me of Deanics in the '04 primary. The net community was 90% Deanics.

Anything said against Dean was met with an avalance of attacks.

But at the end of the day, netroots community forgot that they are a "very tiny minority" of the overall electorate.

Fast forward May 2008, we have the same " Bravado" being displayed.

This time, its the " Obama" can do no wrong. Obama is superman mantra.

Again, the same characters are forgetting that they are a tiny minority. Their sentiments do not represent GE voters.

I'm a lifelong democrat. I also love my country very much.

Is it wrong for me as an american who happens to be a democrat, to " Have Serious Reservations" about voting for a nominee who in most non-partisan, non-bias, fair assessment measurements- Would Be Less Qualified to outright Not Qualified to be President of the United States.

Most of us here called Bush unqualified to be President in 2000. Now we are trying to to push a nominee who has even less experience than the Republican nominee in 2000.

Something is wrong with this picture.

When you can literally find dozens of more qualified governors, senators, House members, both democrats & republicans- who are much more qualified than our nominee- Something is wrong with that picture.

by labanman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:08:57 PM EST
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Re: Reality hurts-Something wrong (none / 0)

With that logic Abe Lincoln would never have been President. And he's not the only one who had less "experience" as you appear to define it, than has Senator Obama.

I am not comparing Obama to Lincoln. I am simply pointing out that there are other considerations. James Buchanan was the most experienced President, probably ever, and my God did he suck.

Bad

Experience is something I weigh, sure, but ultimately the candidate has to execute. Obama has been firing on all cylanders for nearly every part of the campaign. While Senator Clinton has improved, she has not done so in the same steady way that Obama has.

I'll go with the guy who tapped the right people to concoct the right plan, and who managed to pull it off. I want that guy! I want the one who plans shit and actually follows through.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:16:27 PM EST
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Re: Reality hurts-Something wrong (2.00 / 1)

What year is it ????

Your Excuse for Obama's Lack of Qualifications is to use President Lincoln in 1861 ?

To even compare the America of 1861 to America of 2008 ? LOL !

Anything to justify his "qualification issue" or rather lack of it.

by labanman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:55:08 PM EST
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Re: Reality hurts-Something wrong (none / 0)

Yeah, because America had no serious issues to face in 1861. None at all. It was a really simple time.

by elrod on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:52:35 AM EST
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Re: Reality hurts-Something wrong (2.00 / 2)

Agreed.

The narrative right now is that Hillary supporters need to "shut up in the name of unity." To me, that is at odds with very fundamental notions of American Democracy. If my opinion is unwelcome in the Democratic party, well... we'll leave it at that.

Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.

by BPK80 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:16:30 PM EST
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Re: Reality hurts-Something wrong (none / 0)

If your opinion is: the democratic nominee sucks and I'm going to support the republican nominee, then you're correct, you should leave the party.

If your sentiment is: I agree with this candidate's stated positions on the majority of policy issues, but I need to be convinced that he will make a good president, then please stay, and open your mind to other points of view.

John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country

by minnesotaryan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:56:38 PM EST
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Re: Reality hurts-Something wrong (none / 0)

My sentiment is far closer to the latter than the former. I post more frequently here no MyDD than any other site and even the most cursory examination of my posts shows I am not a Republican sympathizer.

Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, flirted with McCain for a bit but it just wasn't meant to be.

by BPK80 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:00:08 AM EST
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Re: Reality hurts-Something wrong (none / 0)

You're what's wrong with this picture. Sorry your candidate didn't win, but it's time to get over your hurt feelings.

by Democrat in Chicago on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:34:23 PM EST
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Re: November BLOWOUT Very Possible ! (none / 0)

One thing I dont understand is that if your objection to Obama is that he will lose, I don't quite understand why you would make things worse by threatening not to vote for him in the general.
I won't vote for him in the general because he is unelectable in the general. Um what ?

by Benjaminomeara on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:18:46 PM EST

Racist GOP troll says: (2.00 / 2)