"Unfortunate"-Gate and the Alleged Swiftboating of Hillary Clinton

There has been an interesting claim floating around MyDD lately, that the Barack Obama campaign is Swiftboating Hillary by putting out the following statement in response to her remarks about RFK's assassination:

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign."

Let this sink in.  The claim here is that calling such a remark "unfortunate," and pointing out that gratuitous references to assassination have no place in a presidential campaign somehow rises to the level of what Bush/Rove & co. did to John Kerry in 2004.  The most prominent incarnation of this silliness can be found in this diary by linfar (The first half of the diary is actually pretty good, and very moving.  But then it makes a sharp turn to...well, let's say it starts to become less moving).

Swiftboating clearly is not what it used to be.  You no longer need to form a 527. The million dollar ad campaign is no longer required.  Hell, you don't even have to lie anymore.  Now apparently all you need to do is wait for a candidate to say something thoughtless and then respond by expressing a tepid opinion of disapproval.

While we're here chatting amongst ourselves, sipping our latte or kool-aid, or slugging a beer or taking a shot with hard working white people (what's the deal with politics and beverages?), let's examine this tepid response from Obama's campaign.

Anyone who follows politics with any regularity quickly becomes familiar with political-speak, and the rhetorical devices that these fascinating and unusual creatures we elect to public office use.  So I ask those of you who are politically astute, what does it generally signify when a politician uses a soft and tepid term of disapproval like "unfortunate" or "inappropriate?"  Refer to the following example for guidance...

Several days after 9/11, the very Reverend Jerry Falwell and the equally pious Pat Robertson had the following conversation,  

"God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve," said Falwell, appearing yesterday on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "700 Club," hosted by Robertson.

"Jerry, that's my feeling," Robertson responded. "I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population."

Falwell said the American Civil Liberties Union has "got to take a lot of blame for this," again winning Robertson's agreement: "Well, yes."


Interestingly, I don't remember O'Reilly ever grouping either of these two gentlemen in his esteemed "blame America first" crowd. But I digress.

Our dignified and heroic president responded to these outrageous remarks thusly,

A White House official called the remarks "inappropriate" and added, "The president does not share those views."

Inappropriate?  How about irresponsible?  How about despicable?  How about batshit crazy?  But no, Bush decided to call the remarks "Inappropriate."

Inappropriate.  Unfortunate.  These are the kinds of terms that politicians use when one of their political allies say something so completely ridiculously off the wall and provocative that they need to respond with some show of disapproval - just enough to distance themselves from it, but not so much that it pisses off their base (who might agree with aforementioned batshit).

Obama's campaign put out a press release calling Hillary's gratuitous reference to RFK's assassination "unfortunate."  Swiftboating?  Hardly.  Those of us who speak politicseese understand that this is actually closer to an expression of friendship than a hostile rebuke.

So, uh...can't we all just get along? <Donning flame-proof vest and goggles>



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That diary was disgusting (2.00 / 2)

The notion that Obama is smearing Hillary by exploting the death of Bobby Kennedy is (you know it) PATHETIC.

The outrage over the outrage has been the weirdest and saddest thing I've seen from the diehards around here (that's saying alot).

Some people will believe what they want. I could care less who they vote for if they approve (or Rec.) garbage like that diary.

SevenStrings, sricki, canadian gal, zcflint to name a few really impressed me and I admire the way the back their candidate.

As for the others.......MEH!


We want to see Ivana [Trump] because we are so desperate in Alaska for any semblance of glamour and culture. - Sarah Palin
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 06:49:25 PM EST

Re: That diary was disgusting (none / 0)

More pathetic than finger-gate?  I have to diverge from you there!  That was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in terms of political parsing.  And the Hillary supporters who continued (and continue) to claim that Obama was literally flipping her off, just astound me.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:48:33 PM EST
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And here's what Obama said today (2.00 / 1)

I have learned that when you are campaigning for as many months as Senator Clinton and I have been campaigning, sometimes you get careless in terms of the statements that you make and I think that is what happened here. Senator Clinton says that she did not intend any offense by it and I will take her at her word on that.


by slinkerwink on Sat May 24, 2008 at 06:55:44 PM EST

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Anyone who says that the Obama camp's statements on this matter is anything like disrespecting the honor of every Vietnam veteran to serve by questioning their service and patriotism when it is politically expedient, should be ashamed of themselves. And should take a step back from the computer to calm down and evaluate their emotions.


John McCain hates terrorists, except the ones that hate women. Those are just swell.
by terra on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:04:39 PM EST

Troll diary alert! (none / 0)


by semiquaver on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:15:51 PM EST

Re: Troll diary alert! (2.00 / 1)

Ummm...what exactly in this diary leads you to believe that I am trolling?  And against whom/what am I trolling?


by Saintcog on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:41:57 PM EST
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I'm sorry, (none / 0)

I misread the intent of your post.  I was in a hurry and didn't read it thoroughly at all.  In retrospect I should not have commented at all.  It's not a troll, and I sincerely apologize.  

I'll bribe you with some mojo in compensation :)


by semiquaver on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:27:40 PM EST
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No sweat.  Been there, done that.  :)

Have tasted my foot before.  Too many times have I wished we are permitted to edit or erase comments.


by Saintcog on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:11:40 AM EST
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Re: I'm sorry, (none / 0)

seriously, how nice would that be?  Scoop (the blogging software used by the site) allows it I believe, so it's a conscious decision on Jerome and the other admins' part.  Slashdot doesn't allow editing or deletions either.  Their rationale is that in real life, you can't unsay what you've said, only clarify or retract, which is a pretty good point, and it makes sense on a blog about democracy and free speech, etc.  Although the admins here have occasionally demonstrated a willingness to ignore free speech....


by semiquaver on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:19:21 AM EST
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I thought so, and here's why.

He seems to have spoken to those who also think she was speaking about him, and not about her place in this race and why she's being smeared by the press and some party insiders, who say she's staying only to harm Barack's chances in the GE. But, she wasn't speaking about him.

He might have said that her remarks were misunderstood and we must all stop seeing the very worst in others and saying these worst things as if they're obviously true.  

He might have said that the Kennedy's aren't offended, and since her remark had nothing to do with him, he hasn't a thing to say.

But, it didn't work, more were offended that someone would reach such an ugly conclusion about a fellow Democrat who has a great record of civil rights activism and fairness to the least among us as to be deplorable, worthy only of desperate pugs.  

But Barack has said in the past that she'd do anything to get elected, and his words have had consequences in the way she's viewed by some of his most ardent supporters. Given that he's said that and hasn't apologized, his 'unfortunate' remark was interpreted along those same lines.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sat May 24, 2008 at 07:20:19 PM EST

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That's ridiculous. You're using a comment he made months ago - and keep in mind, Clinton has made her own share of questionable comments before this as well - and using that as an excuse to not appreciate his non-swiftboating response for what it is? That's beyond unfair, its illogical and patently reaching for a reason to be offended by Obama (again).


by upstate girl on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:41:33 PM EST
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yes, I am, it continues to offend me. Which is something he needs to know, if I'm at all typical of some of her supporters. I want him to be a better candidate, I guess, to be really big. I think that would help him, not hurt him, play to the best and not to the middle or the worst.  This was a missed opportunity for him,he could have been great, instead he was ordinary. Well, of course they are all ordinary, but I had hoped for something better.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:45:29 PM EST
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I'm not sure exactly what you or anyone else you claim to be speaking for is expecting him to do. He not only took the least harmful and most helpful track personally on his comment on the issue, but so did Axelrod and the other spokesman from his campaign. They're all defending her. Yet that's not enough, he has to somehow be bigger - and frankly, after seeing what some people on here charge him with in terms of accusations of past grievances, there's simply no realistic or logical way to expect  that he will respond in a way to make you happy, because a good portion of those grievances are only held by an extremely small percentage of people. I'm sorry to break it to you, but "periodically" isn't a sexist code word, no matter how much you and some others apparently took it. At some point you have to grow up and understand that no individual will ever live up to perfection in everyone's eyes, and refusing to acknowledge that in this scenario Obama and his campaign were not only gracious but exceedingly understanding because you hold a grudge over perceived past slights that few others even recognize as legitimate isn't making your demands for his "being the bigger man" sound any more honest or any less petulant. Before you ask someone else to take the high road, ensure you have the ethical and moral position to take that road yourself. You're clearly not.


by upstate girl on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:51:50 PM EST
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not expecting, hoping. I don't hate Barack and I'm not looking for gottcha moments, it's not like that for me. I think part of running for office is learning and that I can possibly help him more than his supporters. he wants to win Hillary's supporters, not just to vote for him but to be glad about it. There are ways to manage these things that leave everyone feeling good.  And there are ways that don't leave a lot of room for that. HIs comment was good enough for his own supporters, but if what he wants is to be a uniter, someone who can bridge divides, someone who has empathy, then maybe he'd like to read about my response.  People pay marketing researches tons, and the blogs are free for them.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:57:07 PM EST
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If you're legitimately looking for a better response, what would that response be? Honestly? He's said its unfortunate, that he takes her at her word that it wasn't intended the way it came out. That's it. Its her mistake and she's going to have to face the music on it from the press and others, but Obama isn't pushing it. He's not going to be able to fix this for her; what I'm wondering about is why people expect him to try. She's an adult. He's behaving graciously. She's responsible for her own actions and words, and I think taking the high road and not overreacting to them was exactly the right road to take - probably the only one. What other options do you want him to explore?


by upstate girl on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:13:00 PM EST
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There is an awful lot of wild conjecture in this comment.

He seems to have spoken to those who also think she was speaking about him.

There is simply no evidence for this.  There isn't even any hint that would leave one to believe this.  You are imputing intention arbitrarily, or according to some preconceived notion about Obama's general intentions.

You are doing the same with Hillary.

But, she wasn't speaking about him

Right. She was speaking about RFK.  Yes, we all know that.  The question is what the implication of the RFK remark was, and was she trying to evoke the specter of many people's fear - that yet another prominent black leader will be assassinated in this country.

We don't know what Obama's intentions were with his comments, and we don't know what Hillary's were with hers.  But you seem more than eager to provide a generous interpretation to Hillary's words and to assume the worst about Obama's.

Not everything Obama says is an evil smear against Hillary.  Hillary is not the object of pure innocence being oppressed by a media that wants nothing more than her complete and utter destruction.

And let's put the flipside of this out there while we're at it.  Hillary is not evil incarnate, and not everything she says serves to advance some blind lust for power.  Obama is not the country's selfless, altruistic political savior, who will change everything we thought we once knew about poltics.  He too is a politician with ambition and a drive to gain power, and he too uses language and rhetoric to serve his political agenda.

Sound good?


by Saintcog on Sat May 24, 2008 at 08:58:40 PM EST
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I found Hillary's character simply remarkable when the situation was reversed a couple months ago. Obama made a poorly framed statement to some of his campaign volunteers about why people might be leery of his candidacy and how to understand and overcome their objections. In this statement, he used the word "bitter" to describe the feelings some voters have about government.

Hillary immediately said that his remarks were misunderstood and we must all stop seeing the very worst in others and saying these worst things as if they're obviously true.

At least that's how I wish to remember it.


by edg1 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:50:27 PM EST
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there is a qualitative difference between being assumed to want the job over somebody's dead body and whether as Democrats we need to learn from our past failed presidential candidates.  On that one Barack had a chance to learn, he was surprised that people were offended, even Maureen Dowd, who loves him, got that one. He was dissing a lot of Americans, or at least they felt dissed, even if he meant something else.

In this one she was speaking about the idea that she should drop out of the race, and she dissed no one.  Barack shot back with the comment that her comments don't belong in this race, and he later backpedaled on that.  He was smearing her with possibly the ugliest allegation I've ever heard one Democrat give to another one.  

Actually this is the nastiest interpretation anyone could give another human, let alone another Democrat. He had a great opportunity to show his leadership and his stated desire to bridge the divide between him and her supporters and he missed it. To me that's plain dumb.  On the off chance that he wants to learn, this is a good LE for him.  


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:03:37 PM EST
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