Dallas Morning News Slams Voter ID

By Nathan Henderson-James

Cross-posted at Project Vote's blog, Voting Matters.

Today the Dallas Morning News editorialized on the recent attempts by the Texas Attorney General, Greg Abbot, to find any evidence of widespread voter impersonation fraud or illegal voting by non-citizens. Project Vote reported on his failure to find any evidence of organized or widespread fraud earlier this week.

The purpose of this $1.5 million fishing expedition was to find reasons to back-up an expected renewed effort in the Texas legislature to impost voter ID requirements on eligible voters in the Lone Star State. But, as the editorial notes, the threats of voter impersonation and massive fraud from undocumented immigrants are mostly effervescent.

 

Were those threats real, Mr. Abbott most certainly would have provided proof, helping Republican state lawmakers make their case for new laws requiring a photo ID at the polls to go along with the traditional Texas voter registration card.

He didn't.

In the absence of that proof, GOP legislators appear indifferent to the fact that thousands of registered Texas voters - 150,000 to 400,000, by one estimate - have no photo ID and would face some level of expense to obtain one. Research shows that these voters tend to be elderly, female and poor. They also tend to be Democrats, leaving Republicans to answer to a charge of partisanship.



The editorial also offers a test for any voter ID law, one that echoes a test Project Vote put forth two years ago.

There is a simple test for any legitimate voter ID law: It should not shift new, undue burdens onto registered Texas voters and obstruct their constitutionally guaranteed access to the ballot box.



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Re: Dallas Morning News Slams Voter ID (none / 0)

I honestly don't get the problem with showing photo ID when voting. The argument that it's a 'burden' to get a picture ID to those poor frankly doesn't fly with me. You need an ID for pretty much anything in this country, including flying on an airplane, driving, and buying firearms. Why should voting be any different?

If expense is really an issue (a typical ID from the DMV costs $10 in Virginia, $5 in Florida, and $10 in NY), then maybe these IDs could be free to low-income people. But is $5 really an unreasonable expense? And this begs the question of why are there so many people running around without a picture ID to begin with?


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by VAAlex on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:33:38 PM EST

A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (2.00 / 1)

Especially older people. When you don't have a car, logistics of getting to the DMV, standing in line, etc. may be problematic for you if you are working.

For that reason, i agree, there must be a way of making it easier. Perhaps the DMV could go out and set up clinics one day a month in community centers, supermarkets, churches, etc. where they could get people's ID issues worked out. And yes, I think picture ID, at least (non driver license official ID) should be free for low income people and also those over 65.

If its required, and it does not involve driving (i.e. using highways, etc.) it should be FREE nationally.


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by architek on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:39:41 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

I'm not even talking driving licenses, though I'm talking about specific non-driver state IDs which all states have now. They are cheaper than driver licenses and require you only provide proof of address and stand in line to get your picture taken. There's no burden there except for the $10 you'd need to shell out. But if this is REALLY that big of a problem, then maybe it should be free.


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by VAAlex on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:43:00 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

Obviously, for the vast majority of people this wouldn't be a problem.  

While I don't like that it imposes a financial cost on some who need that money, that's not my primary objection.

My objection is based in the belief that we need to make voting as easy as possible, yet some feel the need to combat non-existent voter fraud by imposing greater restrictions on the right to vote.  While it may not affect most people, in a country of 300 million, it will sure as Hell affect too many.

Think about it: Muslim women who may not want their picture taken without facial cover; elderly folks who might not have a way to get to the location to get an ID; citizens who may be discouraged from engaging government bureaucracy because they don't speak English.

There are a lot of people who could be affected across this country, should such laws pass, and they're generally designed to affect voters who, IN GENERAL, might be inclined to vote for Democratic candidates.  Not that the partisan choice should matter, and to me it doesn't, but that IS the purpose...to give Republicans another little advantage in the name of combating voter fraud (of which there is no evidence).


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 12:54:36 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

I tend to disagree somewhat with some of your points. Generally, if there's a sort of nebulous area such as this one where one remedy to a potential problem -- fraud -- would come at the expense of a small subset of those law-abiding, I think it makes sense to look at how many people would be affected.

I think it makes sense to institute a photo ID requirement with the provision that lower-income people get a free ID to meet this requirement. If mobility is an issue, all states should have a no-excuse needed early/absentee voting provision for that (don't most states have this anyway?). That way if you can't easily get out, or are shy about getting your picture taken, you can still vote by mail. No fuss, no muss.


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by VAAlex on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:01:26 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

The issue is that there isn't a fraud problem and, thus, there isn't really a need to solve said fraud problem.

If we truly had a fraud problem, then I'd be more willing to hear arguments about solving it.

Of course, if people can vote absentee, without such a requirement, I'd have to ask what the value of the ID is, anyway.  My state (Indiana), for example, allowed me to vote early WITH an ID, but allowed my wife to vote absentee WITHOUT one.  Huh?  And to vote absentee, you have to have a reason (out of county on election day is the most common one).  

No, it's designed so that people, most of whom would be voting Democrat, will get to the polls on election day, will not have the necessary ID, and will be turned away.  They can vote provisionally, but they still have to show an ID at the courthouse for their provisional ballot to count.


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by freedom78 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:10:50 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

I still think it's better to err on the side of less fraud than more fraud. I'm more concerned about voter machine tampering and electronic fraud than in-person fraud, but it's nonetheless better than not, I think.


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by VAAlex on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:32:17 PM EST
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I don't think an ID requirement is that unreasonab (none / 0)

what is unreasonable is if that ID is hard to get for people who have a right to it and need it. Basic ID should be free.


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by architek on Mon Jun 02, 2008 at 01:13:43 AM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

And by the way, weren't Democrats the one screaming voter fraud in 2000, 2002, and 2004? I didn't hear much in 2006, but that's probably because Democrats won. :)


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by VAAlex on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:02:22 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

OK...let me clarify.  This is about an individual trying to vote more than once, rather than about party led fraud via not counting votes, suppressing turnout, etc.  So, yes, there has been fraud, but not of the type that this is designed to prevent.


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by freedom78 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:14:08 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

But in general, you'd agree that less fraud is preferable to more fraud?


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by VAAlex on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:30:58 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

There is no fraud, not of the kind that would be stopped by voter ID. That's the real issue.

The cost of ID is deceptive since in many cases getting the ID requires getting underlying documents like birth certificates which are hard to obtain, expensive, or, in the case of seniors, often missing or were never recorded.

But since voter ID only stops voter impersonation, which is basically non-existant in any kind of widespread or organized way, but at the same time can disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of currently legally registered voters state by state the only reason it exists is for partisans to keep people they don't want in the electorate out of the electorate.

The ultimate goal here is to shape an electorate that is more conservative and more likely to back conservative candidates.

For more info see these Project Vote diaries:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/16/1413 32/219
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1357 25/173
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/12/1320 36/989
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/8/16453 3/1909


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by Project Vote on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:46:02 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

^ What he said ;)


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Fri May 23, 2008 at 02:38:36 PM EST
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Re: A lot of poor people don't drive/have cars (none / 0)

Werent a lot of Clinton supporters raising hell about not checking identification or doing proper counts at Texas caucuses? Why not put everyone on a honor system? Just as someone can impersonate an instate resident, what is to prevent someone from borrowing another person's card and voting?

I am not for or against voterid. I am pretty much indifferent and will go with the flow. I find registration more cumbersome than getting a simple photoid.


by Pravin on Fri May 23, 2008 at 01:43:16 PM EST
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