She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver)

As most of you know by now, Hillary's spending some time talking to those disenfranchised voters down in south Florida today.  I'm glad she's there - her presence has got to be reassuring to the millions of folks who are - at this moment - unsure about whether their votes will be counted fully when we meet in Denver to choose our party's nominee.  She's the only one fighting to make sure their voices are heard (come on - Dean isn't leading and BO's opposed re-votes etc) and she's making it clear as day that she'll continue that fight as this process plays out.

She went to Boca Raton this afternoon and here's what she had to say to the assembled masses...

Transcript: Hillary Clinton Delivers Remarks in Florida on Counting Every Vote

Hillary Clinton delivered the following remarks this afternoon at a "Solutions for America" event in Boca Raton, FL:

It's exciting to be with some wonderful supporters and friends. I thank your senator and my friend, Ted Deutch, he's a real leader. He and I have talked about the issues that matter to you over many years, and I'm so grateful to have his support. Commissioner Burt Aaronson, who has also led the way in so many important things here in Palm Beach County . I want to thank Jean Enright, one of your port commissioners. I want to thank Anne Gannon, the tax collector who is here, Representative Kelly Skidmore. And I am especially pleased to be accompanied today by a longtime friend of mine, Congresswoman Corrine Brown, who is a real fighter and a champion. She has a tremendously important position in the House of Representatives, where she does work on behalf of veterans and the needs, not only of her constituents in the Jacksonville area, but indeed all of Florida and America .

Now, this year's presidential election is like none other in history. And we have had more people engaging and volunteering, casting their ballots, than ever before. Everywhere I go, people tell me, "I've never given money to a campaign in my life; this year is different. I've never followed an election before; this time I can't stop watching." And there's a reason for that. With our economy in crisis, and with two wars and our children's future in the balance, more people than ever before are taking politics seriously.

I happen to welcome that because this is a democracy, and we've all got to participate   In fact, we want more democracy, not less democracy. We want more people taking a part in the selection of their president.

Here in Florida , more than 1.7 million people cast their vote, the highest primary turnout in the history of Florida . And nearly 600,000 voters in Michigan did the same. And not a day goes by that I don't meet someone who grabs my hand or holds up a sign, no matter where I am, in Kentucky or anywhere else, and says, "Please, make my vote count."

I receive dozens and dozens of letters and emails and phone calls, every couple of hours it seems like, all making the same urgent request: please count my vote. We used to be worried about voter apathy, didn't we? We worried why Americans didn't participate. Now, people are worried that their participation won't matter.

I believe the Democratic Party must count these votes. They should count them exactly as they were cast. Democracy demands no less.

I am here today because I believe that the decision our party faces is not just about the fate of these votes and the outcome of these primaries. It is about whether we will uphold our most fundamental values as Democrats and Americans. It is about whether we will move forward, united, to win this state and take back the White House this November. That has to be the prize that we keep in mind.

Because here in America, unlike in many other nations, we are bound together, not by a single shared religion or cultural heritage, but by a shared set of ideas and ideals, a shared civic faith, that we are entitled to speak and worship freely, that we deserve equal justice under the law, that we have certain core rights that no government can abridge and these rights are rooted in and sustained by the principle that our founders set forth in the Declaration of Independence. That a just government derives its power from the consent of the governed, that each of us should have an equal voice in determining the destiny of our nation. A generation of patriots risked and sacrificed lives on the battlefield for that ideal.

The union they ultimately formed was far from perfect. It excluded many of our citizens; people like Congresswoman Brown, me, my daughter. But it was an ideal that set forth a goal that we have consistently worked for.

Fortunately, in each successive generation, this nation was blessed by men and women who refused to accept their assigned place as second-class citizens. Men and women who saw America not as it was, but as it could and should be, and committed themselves to extending the frontiers of our democracy. The abolitionists and all who fought to end slavery and ensure freedom came with the full right of citizenship. The tenacious women and a few brave men who gathered at the Seneca Falls convention back in 1848 to demand the right to vote.

It took more than 70 years of struggle, setbacks, and grinding hard work and only one of those original suffragists lived to see women cast their ballots. There are women here today - as with my own mother - who were born before the Constitution granted us the right to vote.  This is not something lost in the mists of memory and history; this is real. The generations here in this room have seen change. The men and women who knew their Constitutional right to vote meant little when poll taxes and literacy tests, violence, and intimidation made it impossible to exercise their right, so they marched and protested, faced dogs and tear gas, knelt down on that bridge in Selma to pray and were beaten within an inch of their lives.

Some gave their lives to the struggle for a more perfect union. There is a reason why so many have fought so hard and sacrificed so much. It is because they knew that to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future, not just to make your voice heard, but to have it count. People have fought hard because they knew their vote was at stake and so was their children's future.  Because of those who have come before, Senator Obama and I and so many of you have this precious right today.  Because of all that has been done, we are in this historic presidential election. I believe that both Senator Obama and myself have an obligation as potential Democratic nominees - in fact, we all have an obligation as Democrats - to carry on this legacy and ensure that in our nominating process every voice is heard and every single vote is counted.

This work to extend the franchise to all of our citizens is a core mission of the modern Democratic Party, from signing the voting rights act and fighting racial discrimination at the ballot box, to lowering the voting age so those old enough to fight and die in war would have the right to choose their Commander-in-Chief, to fighting for multi-lingual ballots so you can make your voice heard no matter what language you speak. I am proud of our work today. We are fighting the redistricting initiatives that would dilute African American and Latino votes. We are fighting efforts to purge voters from the rolls here in Florida and elsewhere.  We are fighting voter identification laws that could wrongly keep tens of thousands of voters from casting their ballots this November.

We carry on this cause for a simple reason, because we believe the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people - nothing more, nothing less.

We believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will. We believe it today, just as we believed it back in 2000 when right here in Florida , you learned the hard way what happens when your votes aren't counted and the candidate with fewer votes is declared the winner. The lesson of 2000 here in Florida is crystal clear. If any votes aren't counted, the will of the people is not realized and our democracy is diminished.  That is what I have always believed.

My first job in politics was on the 1972 presidential campaign registering African-American and Hispanic voters in Texas. That work took me from home to home in neighborhood after neighborhood. I was determined to knock on every door and sign up every voter I could find.  While we may not have won that election, I have never given up the fight. It is a fight I continue to this day.

Because I think it is appalling that in the 21st century, voters are still being wrongly turned away from the polls, ballots are still mysteriously lost in state after state, African-American and Hispanic voters still wait in line for hours while voters in the same state, even in the same county can wait just minutes to cast their votes. That's why I've been working since 2004 with my dear friend Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones to pass the Count Every Vote Act; comprehensive voting rights legislation designed to end these deplorable violations. It will ensure that every eligible voter can vote, every vote is counted, and every vote can verify his or her vote before it is finally cast.

I will continue to fight for that same principle every day in this campaign. The fact is, the people of Florida voted back in January. You did your part. You showed up in record numbers and you made informed choices. But today, some months later, you still do not know if these votes will help determine our party's nominee. You still don't know if this great state will be represented at our convention in August. It is time you knew, because the more than 2.3 million people who voted in Florida and Michigan exercised their fundamental American right in good faith. You watched the news. You went to the candidates' web sites, you talked to your friends and neighbors, you learned about our records and policies so you could make informed voting decisions. You didn't break a single rule, and you should not be punished for matters beyond your control.

Now, I know that Senator Obama chose to remove his name from the ballot in Michigan, and that was his right. But his choice does not negate the votes of all those who turned out to cast their ballots, and we should not let our process rob them and all of you of your voices. To do so would undermine the very purpose of the nominating process. To ensure that as many Democrats as possible can cast their votes. To ensure that the party selects a nominee who truly represents the will of the voters and to ensure that the Democrats take back the White House to rebuild America.

Now, I've heard some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules. I say that not counting Florida and Michigan is changing a central governing rule of this country - that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their votes should be counted. I remember very well back in 2000, there were those who argued that people's votes should be discounted over technicalities. For the people of Florida who voted in this primary, the notion of discounting their votes sounds way too much of the same.

The votes of 1.7 million people should not be cast aside because of a technicality. The people who voted did nothing wrong, and it would be wrong to punish you. As the Florida Supreme Court said back in 2000, before the United States Supreme Court took the case away from them, as your Supreme Court said, it's not about the technicalities or about the contestants. It's about the will of the people. And whenever you can understand their intent, it should govern. It's very clear what 1.7 million people intended here in Florida . Playing a role in the nominating process in a two-party system is just as important as having a vote in the presidential election on Election Day count.

We know it was wrong to penalize voters for the decisions of state officials back in the 2000 presidential election. It would be wrong to do so for decisions made in our nominating process. Democrats argued passionately. We are still arguing, aren't we, for counting all the votes back in 2000, and we should be just as passionately arguing for that principle today, here in Florida and in Michigan. It is well within the Democratic Party rules to take this stand. The rules clearly state that we can count all of these votes and seat all of these delegates, pledged and unpledged, if we so choose. And the rules lay out a clear process for doing so.

With this process, if hope we will honor the will of those who came out to cast votes. Think of how that day was. Workers who rushed to the polls between shifts; students who came between classes, parents who rearranged their family's schedules, senior citizens who arranged transportation to the polls, all so you could have your votes counted. And whether you voted for better schools for your kids or a secure retirement for your parents, for jobs you can raise a family on, for health care you can afford, to bring your son, your grandson, your daughter or your granddaughter back from Iraq or bring back America's reputation in the world. Whether you voted for me or Senator Obama or Senator Edwards or someone else, each vote you cast is a prayer for our nation, a declaration of your dreams for your children and grandchildren; a reflection of your determination to ensure that our country lives up to its promise. Each vote is a tool, one used throughout history to break barriers, open doors, and widen the circle of opportunity.

I remember when President Lyndon Johnson addressed the Congress and the nation urging the passage of the Voting Rights Act. He declared, "I speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy." It was urgent, elevated language, but it was not hyperbole. Now, as back then, those are the stakes. That's why here in Florida, even when you were told your primary might not count, you voted anyway.

A Floridian I know from Tallahassee told me about his mother's canasta club. It's a group of women in their golden years who gather every week to play cards and visit. They talked about that Florida primary every week as they gathered around the card table. They followed the news closely. They discussed the candidates and their positions on the issues. They knew about the dispute over the primary schedule and the question of seating delegates. And when it came time to vote, like so many other good citizens of this state, the ladies of the canasta club dutifully cast their ballots for the candidates of their choice. They made informed choices. They did nothing wrong, and they should not be punished for doing their civic duty.

You knew then what Americans know, that this political process of ours is about more than the candidates running, the pundits commenting or the ads blaring. It's about the path we choose as a nation. If anyone ever doubted whether it mattered who our president was, the last seven years with George Bush should have removed every single doubt from anyone's mind.

That's why you voted, and that's why I'm running. And that's why you've been organizing and raising your voices, hoping to have your votes count. You refused to stay home then, and you refuse to stay silent now. Because you want to change America 's future and you have faith that your party, the Democratic Party, will give you that chance. I'm here today because I believe we should keep that faith, listen to your voices and count every single one of your votes. If we fail to do so, I worry that we will pay not only a moral cost, but a political cost as well.

We know the road to a Democratic White House runs right through Florida and Michigan. And if we care about winning those states in November, we need to count your votes now. If Democrats send the message that we don't fully value your votes, we know Senator McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them. The Republicans will make a simple and compelling argument. Why should Florida and Michigan voters trust the Democratic Party to look out for you when they won't even listen to you?

Now, if you agree with me, I urge you to go to my website, HillaryClinton.com, and join the more than 300,000 who have already signed our petition asking the Democratic National Committee to count your votes. All 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and the territories will have a chance to play a role in this historic process. Now is not the time for our party to have a dialogue about which states and which votes should count. The people of Florida are all too familiar with where that discussion can lead. In the end, we cannot move forward as a united party if some members of our party are left out. Senator Obama and I are running to be president of all Americans and all 50 states. And I want to be sure that all 50 states are counted and your delegates are seated at our convention.

So will you join me in making sure your voices are raised and heard so that your votes can be counted? Because remember, it's been the mission of the Democratic Party, guided always by the understanding that as President Franklin Delano Roosevelt once said, "the ultimate rulers of our democracy are not the president, the senators, the members of Congress and government officials, but the voters of this country."  In this Democratic Party, the voters rule. So let's make sure your voices are heard and your votes are counted.

Thank you, and God bless you, and God bless America.


(emphasis added)

Now, there's going to be a meeting here in DC on May 31st, and I'll be there to make sure my family's voices back home in Michigan are heard by the men and women who'll decide what to do with the votes they all cast back in January.  And if the DNC powers-that-be play games with their votes - cut them in half so they're only counted as half-citizens in our Party - then I hope to heck Hillary will take our fight for full representation to the convention floor in Denver!

Well guess what gang - as I was writing this Yahoo posted a story about an interview with Hillary this afternoon.  It looks like she's kicking that fighter inside her into high gear and is saying that she may just take this - all - the - way to the convention this August if the voters in Florida and Michigan (my home state!) aren't treated as equals among Democrats.  

Have I said lately that this woman is my hero?...

Clinton may take delegate fight to convention

Hillary Rodham Clinton says she is willing to take her fight to seat Florida and Michigan delegates to the convention if the two states want to go that far. In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton was asked whether she would support the states if they continue the fight.

The presidential candidate said Wednesday, "Yes I will. I will, because I feel very strongly about this."

I think this is the shot across the DNC bow that we've all be waiting for folks.  

So to the Rules Committee members I say LISTEN UP! because if you don't do right by my family back home in Michigan, and seat ALL of the delegates from MI (my home state) & FL, then you have nobody but yourselves to blame if this thing goes all the way to Denver.

Now Hillary's still fighting for every last vote in the upcoming primaries guys, and she needs our help to get there.  I just got the following email from her (ok millions of us got this one) and she's got a suggestion or two on how we can lend a hand.  Take a look...

I owe our 35-point win in Kentucky yesterday to your incredible support. So let me ask you -- do you think we should let the TV talking heads have the final say in this race? Or should we do what we have always done, and fight together for what you and I believe in?

I have never for one moment forgotten what this race is about -- the millions of people who are looking to you and me for the leadership America needs. It's about getting our economy moving again. It's about bringing the war in Iraq to a responsible end. It's about fulfilling America's energy needs while protecting the planet for our children and grandchildren. It's about making sure that every man, woman, and child in America has health care.

Now we have just three races left, and your help is absolutely critical in these final two weeks. So let's do it. Let's keep fighting and winning together, as we have all along.

Contribute today and let's keep driving toward victory.

Let's talk about the state of this race.

I've won more votes than anyone running for the Democratic nomination in the history of our party. I've won states that will total 308 electoral votes in November -- more than enough to carry the general election. And it is critical that we make certain the more than 2 million voters in Florida and Michigan are heard.

We can let the media decide this race. We can let the pundits be the ones who determine our party's nominee. Or we can listen to the voters. Yesterday, voters in Kentucky joined you in sending a clear message -- this campaign is far from over.

Throughout it all, through the ups and downs of this race, you've been there, supporting me every step of the way. Help me send a strong message that this race isn't over yet.

Contribute now to help us in the final three races.

I'm so proud of what we accomplished yesterday in Kentucky, and of all the victories we celebrated together. We've worked too hard to stop now. Thank you for your incredible support. I don't have to tell you that I couldn't do this without you.

Sincerely,
Hillary Rodham Clinton


(Took the liberty of changing generic link to donations page, to my HillRaisers donation page on the campaign website).

Right then... you know what to do!

       
 



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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 22)

The DNC needs to seat ALL of MI and Fl's delegates on the 31st.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:35:27 PM EST

Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 9)

Remember to donate guys - see sig line!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:35:49 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 8)

So who's called the DNC about all this?

Anyone?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:37:32 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 7)

I have and the receptionist said I'm not the only one.


by bdog on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:39:25 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 8)

Yeah I bet they're getting loads of calls.

Hey gang - if you haven't yet signed onto the petition please join the 300,000+ others who've said they want ALL of the delegates from FL & MI (my home state) to be seated at our Party's convention.

LINK


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:42:27 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 4)

I signed the petition, and 8 friends also signed it. More to come!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:32:06 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 9)

I wrote a letter.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:41:35 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 9)

Even better! :o)


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:42:56 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 3)

Me too.


by durendal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:41:24 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 15)

I hope all Clinton supporters call the members of the DNC committee that handles this matter. Let them know that you don't think they should enforce the rules that applied to every other state. Do let them know that you are not interested in whether they can make and enforce rules in the future.

And do let them know of your threats to disrupt the convention since that will surely show your commitment to the Democratic party and the ability of getting a Democrat elected to the White House.  

I hope you show your energy and passion to all of them and your view that elections that don't pass muster for internationally sanctioned standards for free and fair elections must be treated as if they were true contest.


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by politicsmatters on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:42:40 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 11)

Here's the committee list. I bet you can find their contact information. Clinton supporters, get on the stick and contact them - just like a bunch of you did with superdelegates. Go for it!


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:45:27 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 11)

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/ rules-and-bylaws-committee-membership.ht ml


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by politicsmatters on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:45:36 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (1.87 / 8)

Alegre,
Why are you troll rating me for posting information to help Clinton supporters contact members of the DNC committee that will make the decision? I thought you want people to get in touch with them.

After all, that's what you said you wanted.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:05:39 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 3)

And BA why the troll rating on this?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:30:12 PM EST
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Dude - report her (2.00 / 2)

There was nothing in either of your posts that was troll rating-worthy. She's abusing the system and needs to go. It's clear that nothing but posts that are full of mindless Hillary-worship and claims that she leads the popular vote will be troll-rated with her.


by Deano963 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:09:24 AM EST
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Deano963 (2.00 / 2)

YOU are abusing the system by vioating the rules for troll and zero rating:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/22/2 2332/4298/5?mode=alone;showrate=1#5

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/20/1 44515/063/8?mode=alone;showrate=1#8


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:32:34 PM EST
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They've been reported. n/t (none / 0)


by bookish on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:04:20 AM EST
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Bookish (2.00 / 2)

And you are abusing the system with zero ratings:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/6/18 1310/5260/164?mode=alone;showrate=1#164

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/10/1 52616/523/175?mode=alone;showrate=1#175


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:57:30 PM EST
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I'm not abusing anything, KV (none / 0)

I've taken my medicine for those zero ratings, and so now I'm going to hold everyone to an equal standard.


by bookish on Fri May 23, 2008 at 06:42:22 AM EST
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And just in case (none / 0)

here's the screen caps.

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by bookish on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:12:43 AM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (1.75 / 4)

Comments like this don't serve any good purpose at this point. We have rehashed this a zillion times in this manner already. We have to find common ground if we are going to unite. We have to some how find a way to stop all this endless bickering. Posting the same thing night after night hasn't done that. I implore everyone to find a different way of relating. It's getting late in the game and what is needed above all is unity.


The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson
by pollbuster on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:00:15 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 1)

But this entire diary is about anti-unity.  It is specious and based on complete sycophantic praise of candidate over party.

Everyone knows that there is zero chance that FL and MI will (or should) be seated at 100% and in the most Hillary favorable outcome to swing the primary in her favor.  Everyone knows FL and MI dems are at fault with this and the DNC must take action.  FL and MI will get seated in some fashion that helps neither Obama or Clinton (in the vein of changing the game - so you could argue it will help Obama).

The supers will not then take the PV totals and overturn the pledged delegate leader.  All this 'on to the convention' junk is detrimental to the party and completely unhinged.

I mean if Alegre were to post a diary that was intellectaully honest she wouldnt get beaten up.  This post is so far off 'unity' its shameful.  Theres no rational consideration for rule breaking consequences, there no rational consideration for real compormise, theres no rational consideration for the flawed non-sanctioned votes, etc.  

And Clinton is using this issue in a cheap, insincere and manipulative way which all democrats should be extremely displeased with.  Her demagogueing the issue is atrocious - comparing it to the civil rights movement, to Zimbabwe?  I mean thats horrible.

I get Alegre supports Hillary, but if its going to continue to be Hillary first and dem second then she should just get lost over to Hillaryis44/Taylor Marsh/No Quarter and run rampant in those psychotic echo chambers (unless of course Jerome and the admins change the purpose of this site to Hillary only).  

Alegre deserves to be challenged on these dangerous dem party views.  Not abused, but challenged and challenged forcefully because she never once tries to respond to facts, criticism or rationality when presented with such.

Im all for common ground, but Alegre is not looking for common ground and if you think diaries like this are trying to promote that you are being disingenuous in the extreme.

I dont mean to direct this at you as I appreciate your call for unity, but this diary is not to be held up as an example of trying to achieve unity or anything positive.  In fact it is the opposite.  This diary is intended to promote Hillary fantasies and attack dem unity.


by pattonbt on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:24:42 AM EST
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Democrats: The Party of Inclusion (2.00 / 1)

Are we a party that pushes for FULL INCLUSION?  For voting rights?  For an open and fair election?  Because if we are then the only true course of action is to seat ALL of the delegates as apportioned and certified by the people of Florida and Michigan

Everyone knows that there is zero chance that FL and MI will (or should) be seated at 100%


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:26:32 PM EST
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Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 6)

Alegre,
Why did you give my post a troll rating? I hadn't made that point before and I was encouraging Clinton supporters to call in support of their position.
We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:03:12 PM EST
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Troll rating this is BS (2.00 / 4)

because it TR's a comment just for disagreeing.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:24:43 PM EST
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I donated to the DNC. (2.00 / 5)

People are forgetting about it and the D triple C since the two candidates for President are busy eating up all the funds.

I have more important things to focus on on the congressional level than entertaining the loss-ensuring proposition of a brokered convention.

It won't happen because the threat of one automatically ends the "peaceful end" that's being allowed to happen at the moment. What that is is, Superdelegates are lined up, big ones are dropped to keep the Obama-momentum going and Senator Clinton is given the ability to leave the race fairly, without attacking Senator Obama or siding with Senator McCain.

She's done well the last two weeks and if she continues that, I think she'll have a shot at the Vice Presidency.

Otherwise, threatening a convention fight means Senator Obama just makes it impossible for a convention fight to yield anything. Pledged Delegates for Senator Obama haven't defected.

Superdelegates for Senator Obama haven't defected.

There's a reason and it's not one that's appreciated in the Senator Clinton camp.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:44:09 PM EST
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Re: I donated to the DNC. (2.00 / 4)

[shrug]

Oh, we Hillary people appreciate this reason fully. The party is whistling past the graveyard hoping like heck that Donna Brazile's coalition that excludes Hispanics and the working class is not vaporware. They're wrong, but slightly more than half of party elites are willing to risk everything on Brazile's proposition. This is not pragmatism (as in, it's now know that Obama's self-proclaimed ability to redraw the electoral map was a big fat lie), it is about identity. The whig wing of the party is hell bent on proving that a McGovern/Mondale/Dukakis/Kerry CAN win. Those of us on the Jacksonian/Clinton side will be there to pick up the pieces again when it is clear that our bedrock values are about the working class, and not some ephemeral "creative class" elite facebook page.

by Pacific John on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:03:34 PM EST
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Re: I donated to the DNC. (2.00 / 3)

According to Gallup, Obama is currently ahead of Clinton among Hispanics.


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by politicsmatters on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:06:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

look again (1.30 / 10)

You're reading the poll wrong.

The Gallup poll states that Obama is currently ahead of Clinton among HIS PANICS.

Meaning he is scared and flighty.

That is why he relies on the math instead of the map.

It's why he didn't campaign hard in WV and KY.  He is effete and frightened.

He would be clinging to his gun if he owned one.

And I forgot, he's a male chauvinist disenfranchiser pig, too.


by emptythreatsfarm on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:15:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yikes (2.00 / 2)

Respecfully emptythreatsfarm, I support Hillary like you but had to hide rate your comment. It's way too subjectively negative/inappropriate.


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:21:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Actually, I think it's snark. (2.00 / 1)

I think s/he is an Obama supporter.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:26:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Actually, I think it's snark. (2.00 / 1)

Hmm.. well thanks. I do my best but alot of what passes for commentary here leaves me confused to say the least, lol.


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:33:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Heh, I know the feeling. n/t (2.00 / 1)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:37:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sarcastic snark (2.00 / 1)

Sorry - thought it was obvious.


by emptythreatsfarm on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:29:03 PM EST
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Re: sarcastic snark (2.00 / 1)

I'm sorry too. I'll remove my zero if I can, or change it to a rec if I can't. You got me, lol


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:34:44 PM EST
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Re: sarcastic snark (2.00 / 2)

No need to apologize.  Thanks for defending Obama.

Just so you know, I try to go after folks that go over the top about Clinton.

I actually like them both.


by emptythreatsfarm on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:39:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: sarcastic snark (2.00 / 1)

Snark... such a dangerous habit around here. ;)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:39:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your post is my guilty pleasure tonight. (none / 0)

I'm skipping dessert.


by izarradar on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:39:13 PM EST
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Re: look again (none / 0)

lol


by Tolstoy on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:07:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: look again (none / 0)

yes, she's doing it for all of us, go Hillary, all the way!!!


Hillary - alternative energy
by anna shane on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:50:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I donated to the DNC. (2.00 / 2)

You had better hope you don't have to rely on Gallup or actual polls for Obama to win with Hispanics. If we are unlucky enough to nominate Obama, NM is gone. McCain is, in the eyes of a lot if Hispanics, sane.

You may hope this is about something other than picking a nominee who can win in Nov, and I can see why you would.

As Ambassador Joe Wilson said, Obama's coalition is the same as Dukakis'. If we get Obama, we might win 10 states. Now THAT would redraw the political map.


by Pacific John on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:16:17 PM EST
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Right. I'll take you word over.... (2.00 / 3)

Everyone who isn't trying to get Senator Clinton elected and the majority who is support Senator Obama.

All day I've heard of "touting the polls" but now that an Obama supporter wants to do it, they can't.

And I don't care what Ambassador Joe Wilson said. He's a Clinton Supporter. He's obviously going to say something that will help his candidate.

Why not go for impartial people who don't give a shit at the very least? What do they say? Oh, that's right - they both can win. And what do you know, you have to win the Democratic Primary to win the Presidency.

Can you believe the irony of people talking to me about electability when Senator Clinton hired a crack team of morons and douchebags who didn't even understand apportionment?

Can you believe the irony of people talking to me about electability when Senator Clinton is running 20 million dollars in debt, hasn't paid back small mom and pop businesses that she required the services of IN JANUARY? When another candidate is getting small donors and millions upon millions?

Can you believe the irony of people who are talking to me about electability when she COULDN'T EVEN GET ELECTED IN THE WARM-UP PROCESS.

Can you reconcile those without making me laugh? I doubt it.


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by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:23:22 PM EST
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As a Latino (2.00 / 3)

McCain is, in the eyes of a lot if Hispanics, sane.

Speaking as one of these "hispanics" you claim to understand... I have to tell you...

Nope.

We see him as a crazy old gringo, and a Republican... we know how they've been trying to demonize us for the last few cycles. We know what it means to vote for a Republican... and I assure you there won't be many outside of the Cuban community willing to vote for that.


by Tatan on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:34:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I donated to the DNC. (none / 0)

Do you have a license to fly in the face of reality? Last I looked at Poblano, Obama was ahead of McCain in NM by +2.7% (poll composite) and Clinton led by 1.4%.

Any more "facts" to pull out of thin air? I'm getting sick of all this electibility bullshit.  Neither side has a crystal ball, and it's almost 6 months until election day.


by Twin Planets on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:40:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Looking past your disdain (2.00 / 4)

for so many voters, I'll just go back to the familiar refrain both parties agreed upon before reality became an obstacle to fantasy:

1. This is a delegate race.

2. This is not a demographic race.

3. The candidate with the most delegates...

4. Becomes the nominee of the party.

5. Democrats vote for the nominee.

Here's a bonus:

6. It's Obama or McCain in Nov.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:06:55 PM EST
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Re: Looking past your disdain (2.00 / 2)

1. delegates.


You're right! It is the job of superdelegates to pick the candidate who can win in Nov. That's the only reason we have them.

The nomination is a stark choice between Jerome's electoral maps (and what we can reasonably expect to happen to them as the GOP attack machine fires up). O has no cushion, and has never run against a candidate who hit below the belt. If we fail and nominate O, there are going to be a lot of sick stomachs for about four years and three months.


by Pacific John on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:23:34 PM EST
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Not even Jerome (none / 0)

believes his cherrypicked maps.

Besides that, the very superdelegates you're relying upon have been endorsing Obama for months now at a greater than 10 to 1 ratio. They are making their decisions on who they believe can win in November.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:25:18 PM EST
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Re: Looking past your disdain (none / 0)

Clinton has had a nominating period where her opponent barely even criticized her, let alone brought up her considerable baggage.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:26:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Looking past your disdain (2.00 / 1)

Well then, it appears that the superdelegates are doing their job, by picking the candidate who can win in November. Barack Obama.

Or... are all those superdelegates deluded Obam-aid drinkers, and the real superdelegates will ride in to save Clinton's candidacy?

It's over, John.


by Last Frontier Democrat on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:35:33 PM EST
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Re: Looking past your disdain (2.00 / 1)

"O has no cushion, and has never run against a candidate who hit below the belt."

Well, he has now.


by ProgressiveDL on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:40:19 PM EST
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Re: Looking past your disdain (none / 0)

Drip, drip, drip...


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by neeborMolgula on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:16:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I donated to the DNC. (2.00 / 4)

Um.  She did not say that the other blocs were excluded, and if anybody would bother to read the damned quote, they'd know that.

She said that the coalition isn't just blue collar whites and so forth.

What the hell is wrong with that?  Seriously.  I'm white.  I don't make a lot of money.  I don't feel that my vote is worth less because my candidate is also engaging other groups.

Get over yourselves.  Seriously.  You get mad because you want to get mad, and you find things that you can interpret such that your anger is, in your eyes, justifiable.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:08:57 PM EST
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Re: I donated to the DNC. (none / 0)

Reaper bot

Hey. When do you take the bar exam. I'm sorry I meant to ask you the last time we crossed paths and I forgot and then heck had trouble finding you. Wanted ask you now while I found you here. Do you get to do an internship.

How is the entry level lawyer pay these days. I have a realtive who is lawyer and I was just wondering.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:40:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please don't harken back to false (2.00 / 8)

realities like "Jacksonian" and "Whig" - you can't even begin to understand the reverse trends of history, where Republicans were more like Democrats in the 1800s and vice versa, or understand the Dixiecrats, William Jennings Bryan and Thomas Jefferson's influence.

Senator Clinton and Senator Obama are running nearly 50/50. I have said this before and I will continue to say it. Senator Obama however, has assembled more Republicans and Independents and has, overall won more.

It's a narrow victory but the sanctity of even one delegate should be enough for most people here.

Senator Clinton doesn't represent the "Jacksonian" views of our party, just like Senator Obama doesn't represent that "Whig" views of our party. Those are bullshit terms bandied by people half-understanding of it.

Our two candidates are virtually alike in almost every major policy discussion.

There are key differences however and I'll lay some out for you:

One voted for the Iraq War and the Kyl-Lieberman amendment

One is 20 million dollars in debt while the other one has raised the most money in United States Presidential History and has over 40 million dollars cash on hand.

One has a plurality of Pledged Delegates because he hired a team of competent and skilled people to accomplish a goal; one does not because she hired morons and loyalists who did her and her legacy a disservice.


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by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:13:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Please don't harken back to false (2.00 / 2)

[shrug]


Look at a map. It is no accident that Scots Irish country from Ohio to the other end of the Appalachians overwhelmingly votes for Bill and Hillary, and the heirs of the Puritans vote for a an ideological string that looks like: McGovern/Mondale/Dukakis/Kerry/Obama. It's a coarse geographical equation, but it's there for all to see.

I'll be blunt. Unless you can win the people who your campaign so crudely calls "Archie Bunker[s]," you will not win the White House.

by Pacific John on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:31:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't care how it works. (2.00 / 1)

The demographics are split nearly 50/50 and Senator Obama won the nominating process.

It's that simple.

In November, it'll be even more simple. Vote for Senator Obama or vote Senator McCain.

I'm not going to make excuses - the American people will choose between 4 more years of George W. Bush on major policies or elect a Democrat to right the wrongs perpetuated by a near-tyrannical administration.

If you want to look at electoral maps, I can get you a bunch that say Senator Obama kicks some major ass in November and I can find some that'll say he won't.

If Electoral maps projected by idiots who can't get primaries right 3 days out were Gold, Gold would be a worthless fucking element.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:36:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't care how it works. (2.00 / 1)

LOL Hadrian,

I'm not the expert on Republicans but about that seeing McCain as Bush.

Meebee / meebee not. I think it's more complex than that.

:D


by 12 dogs and a blog on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:44:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't care how it works. (none / 0)

Take a look at McCain's voting record since 2000.  Sharp turn to the Bush, like all other republicans.  I know that people tend to paint their opponents in broad brushes, but as I've noted before, the republicans greatest strength during the late nineties and into the Bush II administration is now contributing greatly to their downfall: the ability to unify and stay on a single message.

Unfortunately for the republicans (and the American people for the last eight years), they settled on a decidedly wrong message and a decidedly wrong leader, thus the asset of unquestioning lockstep loyalty became a huge liability rather than strength.  It became unbelievably easy to link any corrupt or idiotic republican representative to any other given their identical policy stances.

I strongly believe that there are good and logical republican representatives out there, but even these hidden rational repubs toed the party line for the last eight years and are now inescapably linked to the terrible ones.  I guess you reap what you sow.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:27:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't care how it works. (none / 0)

These voters you disparage had no qualms picking George Bush himself in 2004.  He wasn't exactly popular then but given the choice between that known evil and a big-city lanky smooth-talker like Kerry, they voted Bush.  

This is going to be a very short election night.  It will go like this...

Polls close in Indiana and Kentucky before 8 PM--McCain wins.

Polls close in Virginia at 7:30--McCain wins.

Polls close in Pennsylvania at 8:00 P.M.  Too close to call for 15 minutes.  Starting with CNN, all networks call Pennsylvania for McCain at 8:15.  

Game over.

We all go to bed upset but get a good night's sleep, unlike the night-owl-fests of 2000 and 2004.


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:03:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't care how it works. (none / 0)

Obama is ahead of McCain in polls in Ohio, Indiana, Virginia and Pennsylvania.  I'll give you Kentucky.


by interestedbystander on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:49:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't care how it works. (none / 0)

Nonsense.

I haven't seen a fresh poll from any of those states.  Predicting a state's outcome is more complicated than looking at the latest poll.  You have to know demographics, how they've voted approximately, and have a deep familiarity with the county-by-county returns from the past two presidential elections (for trends) and into this year's primary.

Unless there is a major and I mean major gaffe or shift in public appeal by either candidate, Pennsylvania's going down to the wire.  Why?

Because Obama has to outperform John Kerry's margins statewide to offset his deficits from his relative weakness in Northeast PA and Southwest PA.  His inability to win the Philadelphia suburbs v. Hillary Clinton doesn't portend to a bright Keystone welcome for Barack Obama.  

Pennsylvania has the second oldest population of any state in the country.  We also have one of the most female voting populations.  The Western half of the state is in Appalachia.  The mayor of Philadelphia can't stand Obama because Obama endorsed his opponent (hence the Clinton endorsement by the mayor).  Obama insulted this state specifically in his cling to guns-religion-antipathy speech.  He runs poorly not only against Clinton but also against McCain in NEPA and SWPA.  Very low African American population statewide.  Big Irish population (+ McCain).  Big Catholic population (bad for Obama).  This ethnic block is part of the reason Obama is performing comparatively poorly for a Democrat in Massachusetts as well.  Mass and Eastern PA are very similar.

These are the types of realities that don't shine through from looking at a poll with a 4% margin of error taken five months before an election.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 02:12:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I don't care how it works. (none / 0)

Ummm, Kerry was anything but a smooth talker.  I couldn't listen to him for more than a minute without wanting to fall asleep or punch him...and I kinda liked him as a candidate.

Obama is showing his tenacity against McCain and, so far, is kicking his ass in the media war and appears much more reasonable and in the know.


by masterxi43 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 03:49:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Please don't harken back to false (2.00 / 1)

As if Clinton could win them in the fall?

What would the Republicans bring up?

hmmm... Cattle Futures, missing Rose Lawfirm records, Travelgate, Whitewater, Bill's little romp with various Arkansas women and then Monica, etc etc and even more etc

every piece of HRC's baggage would be pulled out into the open.

Seriously, does the Clinton koolaide erase all memory of the 90s??? Do you really want to drag the party into having to defend that dysfunctional couple and their ugly, ugly, ugly baggage?

Have you considered the fact that so many of us believe so vehemently that Senator Obama is a better choice for the fall BECAUSE he doesn't bring along all of the old issues from the 90s? The stuff that MADE the Archie Bunkers hate Democrats so much?

I got so tired of having to defend the Clintons to Republicans in the 90s, even while as a gay man I watched them compromise away my place in this nation (don't ask don't tell, DOMA, etc etc etc)

And now you want us to have to defend the Clinton triangulation machine, knowing that they will sell us out, and knowing that the vast majority of America hates them?

That is some strong koolaide.


by denniswine on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:24:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Please don't harken back to false (none / 0)

There's so much that's wrong with your arguments, so I'll stick to one relatively minor point: Dukakis won West Virginia.

Several decades and growing demographic changes invalidate much of your argument, even if it wasn't the same anti-urban, anti-coastal, anti-liberal argument we get every four years.


Visit Forgotten Countries, my new foreign policy-based blog
by Englishlefty on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:02:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McGovern/Mondale/Dukakis/Kerry CAN win (2.00 / 1)

Amen!  The GOP is licking it's chops at a prospective Obama nominee.  They already have the play book from the last presidential campaign.


by trixta on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:26:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If the GOP were anxious to meet (2.00 / 1)

Obama, I imagine Rush would have encouraged his listeners to vote in droves for Obama, bringing the race to a quicker close so they could take him down.

Instead, he's repeatedly urged his listeners to vote for Clinton, expressly to lengthen the primaries and drain resources Obama, as the nominee, would otherwise have used against McCain for the past several weeks.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:29:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If the GOP were anxious to meet (none / 0)

"...Instead, he's repeatedly urged his listeners to vote for Clinton, expressly to lengthen the primaries and drain resources Obama, as the nominee, would otherwise have used against McCain for the past several weeks..."

"...drain resources..."

I thought that Sen. Obama was flush with cash?

That he was collecting donations hand over foot?

Meanwhile I thought that ya'll were saying that Sen. Clinton was in debt not Sen. Obama?

So which is is?


by 12 dogs and a blog on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:48:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, lets see. (2.00 / 1)

Senator Clinton is 20 million dollars in debt.

Senator Obama has 40 million dollars cash on hand and raises about 35 million dollars a month.

What do you think? I'd love to have used the other 40 million on something relevant rather than contesting lame primaries and caucuses that haven't changed the delegate lead to satisfy a 10% chance at winning the Democratic Nomination.

But the past is the past.

Senator Obama is stronger and has a deeper base now.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:54:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Well, lets see. (2.00 / 1)

But, but, but......

They're only "lame primaries and caucuses" when Obama is LOSING. LOL


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 06:18:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

But, but but (none / 0)

Senator Obama has expanded his lead by 40 delegates since February.

But nice try.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:06:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: But, but but (2.00 / 1)

But all those primaries and caucuses weren't "lame" -- just the ones where Clinton has kicked his butt. LOL

COUNT EVERY VOTE.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Thu May 22, 2008 at 11:10:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McGovern/Mondale/Dukakis/Kerry CAN win (none / 0)

Riiight.  There's no way they would EVER want Hillary in the race.  I mean, only 50% of the country hates her.  How would they ever compete against that?


by ProgressiveDL on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:42:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: McGovern/Mondale/Dukakis/Kerry CAN win (2.00 / 0)

What, you mean the patrician white Eastern Vietnam war opponent poorly-spoken long-time Senator?  Yeah, they won't have to change a line!


Can't rec or rate -- next username, please!
by neeborMolgula on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:19:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I donated to the DNC. (2.00 / 3)

Actually, Donna's exact quote was:

... I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you're looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don't have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.

To which I as a Latino voter say: What's wrong with not just relying on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics? Don't you want to expand the Democratic coalition? Do you think we should be relying on any one demographic group?

I'm Hispanic, and I sure as heck hope the Dems are able to get a coalition broader than just my vote.


by Tatan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:59:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

walk a mile in our shoes.org's great idea:: (none / 0)

Tell the Democratic National Committee: Don't Walk Away From Our Winning Base! Walk A Mile In Our Shoes.
Send a pair of shoes to the DNC TODAY deadline May 26th 2008
Request that the DNC donate the shoes to women's shelters & recycle packaging.
What You Can Do TODAY:

1. Mail a pair of your shoes representing your walk in life to the DNC at the address below.

2. Send Virtual Shoes, an image of a pair of shoes representing your walk in life, to the DNC. OR CLICK HERE, then Cut-n-paste full text in blue box at left, and cut-n-paste the name of your shoe from poll list at left, into the DNC email.

3. Vote in The First Ever Poll To Let You Speak With Your Shoes! on this Web site so we can tell the media how many of us want to be heard.

Where / Mailing Address:
Democratic National Committee , 430 S. Capitol St. SE , Washington, DC 20003

Talk the Walk - Help us keep count of shoes, to report to the DNC
Include a printout of this Web page inside your package.
All shoes must be sent to arrive delivered by no later than May 30th, 2008, Before the May 31st committee meeting. If you are using USPS Priority Mail for example, they should be mailed no later than May 26th.
All email virtual shoes should be sent to arrive as soon as possible and by midnight May 30th, 2008.

Email the DNC at: DNC Issues Email Page


by suzieg on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:25:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: walk a mile in our shoes.org's great idea:: (none / 0)

Why don't you try voting instead of harassing the DNC?

Send a bunch of sneakers to RNC headquarters in the fall and see what that gets you.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:28:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Count me in for (2.00 / 3)

$35.00...........

Contribution Details
Date: May 21, 2008 11:03 PM EDT
Amount: $35.00


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:06:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Great Diary (2.00 / 2)

and I would love to donate.  But right now I just can't.  I have donated as much as I could to Hillary during the coure of this election.  I just dont have the funds right now.  In any case, I hope our girl takes it to the Convention Floor!!!!


Hillary/Obama 2008
by Sandy1938 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:16:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (none / 0)

Has there ever been a doubt since March that this would go to the convention?

Rachel Maddow called this one spot-on.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:07:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (none / 0)

I didn't think this would go all the way to the convention.

I keep taking Hillary Clinton for her word and being proven wrong.  (Which is why she never had a chance at getting my vote - she's my Senator you see).


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:32:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 3)

Why should they? Why do people get to break the rules with no consequence?


by mattw on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:49:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (none / 0)

Because people that support Clinton are inherently better than other sorts of people, of course. Isn't it obvious?


by Aris Katsaris on Thu May 22, 2008 at 07:17:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 5)

Yes! I have already contributed and will also offer my services to phone bank for her in the next primaries.


by trixta on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:51:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She Could Go All - The - Way! (To Denver) (2.00 / 3)

All right!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:00:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama's in Florida at the moment too (2.00 / 6)

I live in Florida, and thought you might be interested in the less than enthusiastic press Obama's presence is generating. Snippets from a local newspaper article:

TAMPA, Fla. - One day after Senator Barack Obama inched closer toward winning the Democratic presidential nomination, he arrived here in Florida with another problem on his hands: Healing the anger percolating among Democrats who feel they have been excluded in the race for the White House.

"It is good to be back in Florida," said Mr. Obama, who has not stepped foot in the state since a fundraiser last fall. "You guys have been holding down the fort."

Among the unfinished pieces of business in the nominating fight with Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is figuring out how the state's delegates will be awarded in advance of the Democratic National Convention.  

If Mr. Obama is inclined to step forward with a generous proposal (read: olive branch) - seating all the delegates, for example, or at least a portion that Mrs. Clinton's supporters find acceptable - he offered no such indications as he addressed a rally here today.

In a 37-minute speech at the St. Pete Times Forum, a large arena in downtown Tampa, Mr. Obama made no direct mention of the controversy surrounding the delegates.

Both campaigns agree that Florida - and its 27 electoral votes - will be a critical battleground in the general election. No state in the nation, perhaps, does the Obama campaign have more work to do in building an organization and appealing to voters.

And some activists hold a negative view of him because of the delegate dispute with Mrs. Clinton.

So before the race with Mr. McCain can begin in Florida, the Democratic delegate debacle must be settled. Today, there were few signs of a quick resolution - or that Mr. Obama even wanted to spend time talking about it.


by phoenixdreamz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:53:34 PM EST
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Re: Obama's in Florida at the moment too (2.00 / 5)

Hey phoenixdreamz - L