Lieberman's One Shot at Redemption . . .

Ok ok, we all hate Joe Lieberman for his unabashed support of this abortion of a war and his Brutus-like turn on the party that has backed him all these years. But there is one thing that Joementum can do to redeem himself: Serve as John McCain's Vice Presidential nominee. It will spell certain doom for McCain and ensure that Obama will be elected president and the war will not go on for 100 years.

As we all know, putting Joe on the ticket in 2000 was the biggest mistake Al Gore ever made. He was a horrible campaigner and brought absolutely nothing to the ticket. He is about as charismatic as a nauseous eel,  was a tired and lazy campaigner and was such a bad a debater that he somehow managed to lose to Dick Cheney. He was poison to the ticket.

If he was on the republican ticket, he'd bring all of those great faults with him while bringing with him a whole new mess of liabilities. McCain is very weak with social conservatives, and appointed a socially moderate democrat to be next in line would make the heads of right wingers who are already holding their noses just completely explode. And Joementum is so fearless in his defense of the Iraq War, it would further emphasize how in-line McCain is with the Bush-policy on Iraq. Not to mention: he wouldn't deliver Connecticut or any other state for that matter. And there will be NO democrats who decide to cross-over because Joementum's on the ticket. All he will do is lose McCain votes.

So Joe, the only chance you have of helping this nation move forward, passed the failed foreign policy approach you so forcefully advocate, is to get on McCain's ticket and work the magic you wielded during the 2000 election that kept Al Gore out of the White House.



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Re: Lieberman's One Shot at Redemption . . . (none / 0)

The only way Lieberman can redeem himself is if it turns out that he has been deep, deep, deep undercover for the Democratic Party the last few years, in order to win us the election.  Lamont could have been his cover.  Donnie Lieberman.


by rfahey22 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:24:35 PM EST

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The only way Lieberman could redeem himself would be to cut out his own heart to show us all that it bleeds.


by PhilFR on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:05:35 AM EST
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actually,
lieberman and hil are paddling that same aipac canoe though i'm not sure who's steering.
by citizendave on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:24:36 PM EST

Everyone gives into AIPAC. (2.00 / 1)

To not would be political suicide. They're one of the top 5 lobbyists who have a stranglehold on our government.

In fact, the only candidate I heard of not listening to or talking to AIPAC was Ron Paul. He had very few sensible things about him, was a bit racist but it's nice to see not everyone wants to be bullied around by a lobby designed to help a foreign country - even if it is Israel.


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by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:32:52 PM EST
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perhaps political suicide in ny and fla, but i don't think so elsewhere.


by citizendave on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:39:05 PM EST
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Re: Everyone gives into AIPAC. (none / 0)

   Political Suicide outside NY, FL and L.A. (the county, not the state):  Ask former Representatives Earl Hilliard (D-AL) and Cynthia McKinney (D-GA, though she had other problems, too)
    Just a few casualties like those are enough to keep most politicians in line...
by Zack from the SFV on Thu May 22, 2008 at 05:21:47 AM EST
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a bit racist

a little pregnant


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by Rob in Vermont on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:43:47 PM EST
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Re: Lieberman's One Shot (2.00 / 1)

nonsense.


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by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:33:25 PM EST
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how then would you explain the obliterate iran statement


by citizendave on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:39:54 PM EST
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How about by starting to quote it in context?

So many of you take what she said out of context that you now make it sound like she said those exact words. Which she didn't.

I will give you this, the use of that word in her comment was stupid, but what she actually said and the context in which it was said was not what you allude to.


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by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:53:49 PM EST
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i know what the context is, and what she said was stupid... trying to come off as golda maier of something.

the question was stupid to begin with but she failed to respond with an answer that would not make her look stupid...especially following mccains "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb iran" statement.  do i believe she is as hawkish as bush?     no.
but i do believe that she has pandered to the aipac lobby shamlessly.


by citizendave on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:06:11 PM EST
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pandered to aipac? I disagree. Try and find any Democrat who is not stained by aipac. There will be few.


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by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:11:53 PM EST
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hillary stressed (in her address to aipac) that a nuclear iran is unacceptable, and the obliterate response was just an extension of that.

schumer and finestein are also in the same camp but i don't think all dems are


by citizendave on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:26:08 PM EST
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It is to easy to say the "obliterate" comment and have it mean something different. The way it is loosely used by some is misleading and you tying the aipac address and that comment together is misleading.

By the way, what comments has Obama made about a "nuclear Iran"?

It may be silly and frustrating what politicians have to do when running for a national office (president), but when they do, they ALL must pander a little or they loose.

If I am correct, Obama has even started to wear one of those silly flag pins. He has also been doing more podium speeches with lots of flags behind him.


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by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:47:58 PM EST
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the flag pin is silly but nat as silly as those who made a big deal about the absense of a flag pin (i bet those things are made in china anyway)

having to be a christian is silly and sad (i doubt that any of them are as christian as they claim)

there are many pathetic examples of pandering from all candidates...i agree.

but aipac is a foreign lobby....this goes one step beyond for me, and as a new yorker, it is ever-present.....a constant pebble in my shoe (if you will).

sorry, i see the obliterate iran response and the aipac biasn as a pretty concrete conection.


by citizendave on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:05:11 AM EST
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bias............the n is silent


by citizendave on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:06:38 AM EST
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I agree with everything you say except.... the last part.


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by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:10:15 AM EST
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well thats something! (what if i change the order?)


by citizendave on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:12:56 AM EST
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hahaha!


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by kevin22262 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:24:59 AM EST
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Actually this brings up a related but really interesting point -- Al Gore actually PICKED Joe Lieberman in 2000 as his running mate. Take a look how both have progressed:

1) Al Gore has changed a lot. At least his public persona has over the last 10-15 years. And has become a much more important and respected Democratic figure recently.
2) Joe Lieberman has changed a lot. His politics have steered mostly to the right since 2000, and now he finds himself perhaps cornered about to lose the only influence he ever had, really, in the party. So maybe he's now more free to say as he really feels. In all likelihood, repercussion won't really matter since his power will be gone come November.

What happened? I don't even really consider Lieberman a Democrat anymore.


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by VAAlex on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:43:09 PM EST

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Think what would have happened if Gore had picked Senator Graham instead of Leiberman.  He would have won Fl.  The VP does matter.

david


by giusd on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:33:20 PM EST
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Please don't run, Joe! (2.00 / 1)

Goodness, the last thing I want to hear is Joe Lieberman nasal whine from now until November!


by PhilFR on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:25:32 PM EST

Haha, that's true (none / 0)

While it would guarantee Obama the presidency, it would torture to have to listen to so much Joe over the next few months


by blinkingidiot on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:24:15 PM EST
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As someone who believes Gore/Lieberman WON that election (and not because of the popular vote nationwide, before we get into talking points), I find it easiest to think of this as Bizarro World Joe Lieberman.

He's supported a horrible war far past the point that even those who mistakenly voted for it have relinquished their support.  His party punished him in the primary, for it, and despite winning as a so-called "independent Democrat," he sure as Hell doesn't act like one.  He even ran to be the candidate AGAINST Bush in 2004.  It's just a stunning change from a person who should have been a Democratic VP and, with that boost, possibly President.  Gore certainly wouldn't have started this war, and so Lieberman wouldn't have supported it so fully.  

Oh, what could have been.  I feel like a good man has lost himself, completely.


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by freedom78 on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:35:39 AM EST


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