Power to the People

The people are speaking.  Is our party listening?

Early in the primaries, Barack Obama promised that he would win more people over the longer he campaigned.  He said that every state becomes an "Obama state" once he goes there.  But an interesting thing happened as winter turned to spring, and the people kept voting in record numbers.  Hillary Clinton stole the momentum.   Her popularity soared; her appeal broadened; and she steadfastly became the darling of the masses, even as Barack was crowned darling of the mass media.

It started back in New Hampshire, when Hillary "found her voice," but what really happened is that the American people have found Hillary. And there's nothing like raw data to illustrate the point:  

*The Electoral Vote "Poll Watcher" shows Hillary gaining steam against McCain, now leading 310 to 228, with Hillary winning key states like Florida, North Carolina, and West Virginia.  (Obama trails McCain by over 30 EV's.)

*Over the last three months, Hillary has won more contests, gained more votes, and earned more delegates. Since March 4th, she has gained nearly 500,000 more popular votes than Barack Obama as voters in crucial battleground states have made their voices known.

*More Americans have voted for Hillary than any other presidential candidate this cycle. In fact, more people have voted for Hillary than any other primary candidate in history - nearly 18 million so far.

*Just yesterday, Hillary won 150,000 more votes than Obama in Kentucky and Oregon, even though delegate counts will be split fairly evenly.

*Hillary has now won nearly 64,000 more votes than Obama in total, when all caucuses and primaries are included.

Hillary Clinton just keeps winning.  She is the candidate who closes the deal with voters. Despite being out-spent by margins of up to 4-to-1; despite anxious efforts by Obama, his surrogates, and an obedient press corps to convince people that the race is over.  They keep voting for her anyway.  Thankfully there's a stubborn gene in the American people, a natural resistance to authority, and maybe that's why the people love Hillary.  They see her get up with the roosters every day, work herself to exhaustion in pursuit of a dream, and never give up or give in to the nay-sayers.  Hillary, in spite of all the odds, has become a genuine Made in the USA hero, a leader for the people and no longer just "Bill's wife," the other Clinton.

My candidate for President, Hillary Clinton, said in her Kentucky victory speech last night:

It is not just Kentucky bluegrass that is music to my ears. It is the sound of your overwhelming vote of confidence even in the face of some pretty tough odds. Some have said your votes didn't matter, that this campaign was over, that allowing everyone to vote and every vote to count would somehow be a mistake. But that didn't stop you. You've never given up on me because you know I'll never give up on you.

Funny thing...that pesky notion of one-person-one-vote-rules in a democracy, such an irritant to the power-brokers who want Hillary Clinton to pad dutifully back to her seat in the Senate, and forget about the 18 million people who want her to be President, including 2.3 million in Florida and Michigan who knew exactly what they were doing.

Power to the people, that's the lesson from November, 2000.  It's not too late to take it to heart.  Hillary Clinton can close this deal for the Democrats in November.


Note: popular vote statistics from Real Clear Politics




Cross posted at texasdarlin

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Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 17)

"I'm going to keep making our case until we have a nominee, whoever she may be."

  ----   Hillary Clinton, May 20, 2008


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:24:41 PM EST

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 13)

Gotta love that quote! Excellent!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:27:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 4)

The best line of the night!


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:25:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Power to the People - Indeed! (2.00 / 2)

Obama Leads McSame by 8 pts !!


► Obama, who was tied with presumptive Republican nominee John McCain last month in the same survey, now leads 48 percent to 40 percent, according to the Reuters/Zogby poll released today.

► Obama also leads McCain among some groups he has been losing to Clinton: Catholics, Jews, union households, and voters making less than $35,000 a year.

► Obama builds his lead among independents -- 47 percent to 35 percent -- and also has an edge in who voters say would be better for the economy.

► And let me preempt the hand full of Clinton "all or nothing" advocates - Zogby's polls nailed the final outcomes in Pennsylvania, NC, and even Indiana.

The hand full may now proceed to say, "obama can't win, etc., etc."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/poli ticalintelligence/2008/05/national_poll_ s.html


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:43:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bzzzt! doesn't count (2.00 / 1)

The polling occurred on the wrong day of the week.  Remember now, there are numerous exceptions to the rules, and we'll figure out what they are once we figure out how far behind we are.


John McCain
by ottto on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:47:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People - Indeed! (2.00 / 3)

the problem with all of these national polls at this point in the election cycle is that what counts is the state-by-state electoral vote picture.  As noted in the diary.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:37:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

see - right on cue (none / 0)


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:48:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

A Clinton supporter wrote an awsome diary (2.00 / 6)

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/21/1736 14/543

I think everybody should checkout what lombard has to say.

Rec it up!


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:57:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Power to the People (2.00 / 9)

Can't deny the facts - well said TD and HIGHLY RECd!!!!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:40:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Can't deny the facts... (2.00 / 4)

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Seriously?

How about the majorty of pledged delegate fact? Or the 33 out of 51 contests won fact? Or the overwhelming majority of super delegates fact? Or the 37 million in the bank vs 22 million in debt fact?

Seems to me you've been denying an awful lot of facts.


by Tatan on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:03:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 3)

thanks alegre, can't wait to hear what you have to say in this evening's diary!


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:33:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes We Can! (2.00 / 1)


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:12:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes, the people are speaking! (2.00 / 4)

Here's what they are telling the Gallup poll:

Obama Leads Hillary by 14 points

Obama leads McCain in national polling


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:46:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 4)

popular vote winner huh?

Let's see how you got that shall we?

I assume you're using the Real Clear Politics vote tallys which includes all the caucuses, MI, and FL.  This calculation gives Hillary a popular vote lead of 63,000 votes.

The problem with this of course is that Hillary receives roughly 328,000 votes from Michigan - a primary where Obama's name wasn't on the ballot, a primary that DID NOT COUNT - while Obama receives ZERO.

Without this ridiculously flawed shell game you're playing with Michigan, Obama comfortably leads the popular vote (along with states won, pledged delegates, super delegates, money raised, etc., etc.)

Please stop lying about the popular vote.  Please.


by cato on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:23:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

By the time it's all over (none / 0)

She will lead by inclusion of Florida and exclusion of Michigan, and that is a truly fair assessment.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Thu May 22, 2008 at 09:52:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Tic-tac-toe (2.00 / 6)

47 posts saying the same thing in a row!


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:25:18 PM EST

Re: Tic-tac-toe (1.76 / 13)

You could always write more "jokes" using the terms "camel fucker" and "Obama" in the same sentence, as you did here:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/13/2 171/72216/34#34


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:29:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (none / 0)

Isn't this spamming? Trolling? I wonder how the flame wars start.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:31:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How Flame Wars Start (2.00 / 7)

Probably by accusing Clinton supporters of "47 posts saying the same thing in a row" when they make ANY argument supporting their candidate. Just a guess.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:33:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rofl. (none / 0)


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:34:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How Flame Wars Start (none / 0)

Come on. At least admit you like to pick a fight. It's pretty obvious.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:36:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How Flame Wars Start (2.00 / 7)

One minute after this diary was posted, Lord Hadrian wanted to pick a fight.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/21/1 72412/586/2#2


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:40:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Whatever dude. (2.00 / 1)

Carry on.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:43:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

and (none / 0)

what are you doing?

hm.


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:39:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hahahaha (none / 0)

Oh man. Keep up the good work.

Richard Pryor's taking notes.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:32:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (2.00 / 1)

Lard Hadrian...this does not deserve a HideRating!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:37:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (2.00 / 1)

Lord H...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:37:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (2.00 / 4)

He doesn't want people to know about the crude "jokes" he's posted, along with disparaging comments about the candidates.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:42:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (2.00 / 3)

You'd never tolerate crude comments about the candidates, would you?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:51:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (none / 0)

lol


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:28:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (2.00 / 2)

Dude. Take a look at your sig line.

Highest of high comedy. Irony at it's finest.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:53:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (2.00 / 9)

can't stand the heat?  Hey, the media talking heads are declaring her divisive and Barack unbeatable, most of his supporters here argue that he's won, is it any wonder we're forced to be articulate in pointing out the alternative reality?  He's had to drop some of his claims, like the ones cited in this diary, the point of him was that he would unite and win in a mandate.  I think minimally that means waiting until the votes are all cast and the determination made about Florida and Michigan and seeing who has the momentum, who has most popular votes, and who's best positioned to beat McCain. If you think he can win on those, then wait and see. Until then I'm going to remind all who claim it's over and she should get over it, to chill out and take a nap. Democracy isn't a spectator sport.  


by anna shane on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:32:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (none / 0)

while I feel dirty throwin mojo to anything anna says, she makes a pretty good point.  Touche...


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:12:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tic-tac-toe (none / 0)

Agreed, Democracy isn't a spectator sport.

For Democrats, it's commonly known as snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, circular firing squad, suicide pact, etc.

It's no wonder our Party of zealous free thinkers is so catastrophically unable and/or unwilling to get in line behind one national candidate.  If we fail to do it again this year, we DESERVE WHAT WE GET.


"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
by AK Democrat on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:23:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 6)

to freeing slaves.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 508/Clinton_compares_the_Florida_and_Mic higan_fight_to_civil_rights_movement.htm l

This is pushing it a little to much and can backfire on her.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:27:05 PM EST

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 1)

It's pretty insulting as well.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:28:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

It doesn't compare to Debbie saying that only elitist can nominate Hillary:

Go to 5:30


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:29:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 1)

Yikes, that's pretty scary.

Let's say that the committee decides to sit the delegates.  What happens the enxt time there is a contested primary and states can have their primary vote whenever they want because they know the DNC will capitulate in the end?


United we stand, divided we fall.
by mefeck on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:29:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 6)

there is a fierce urgency of now, he coined it but it's really true. If we get eight years of McCain cause Obama has lost his momentum and his newness has worn off, then our party rules will seem only quaint, hardly worth dying for. We need many of those states she's won to win the GE, and Florida must either count or get a revote if he wants to be seen as legitimate. Then he can campaign there all he likes and get his name on the ballot in Michigan. It'll be even fairer, it'll be the two of them, no other men who have endorsed him to cut into his popular vote. Ask him to, tell him it's a good idea, support a mail in revote for Florida and Michigan or seat them, one or the other.  


by anna shane on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:36:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 6)

Obama has lost momentum? Oh wait. Oregon doesn't count.
Neither do Super Delegate endorsments.

Is this the argument Hillary is laying out to the Super D's?

Not really impressive.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:38:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 1)

Do you think a rally of 75,000 people in Oregon suggests his newness has worn off?


by interestedbystander on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:43:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 4)

no, it's his failure to win back blue collar voters in Oregon that does though. And her increased lead in votes.  It was a nice rally, but a rally does not prove momentum, only votes proves that, and she's tallying them up faster than he, she's poling ahead of McCain while he's losing ground to McCain, this to me indicates he's losing momentum. Most Americans think he'll win, so why is anyone still voting for Hillary.  (hint: they want party leaders to know they'd be dissatisfied if it's him, like those who still vote for Huckabee and Edwards?)  


by anna shane on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:47:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You didn't look at the numbers. (2.00 / 3)

Obama did very well among less affluent white voters in Oregon.  It would appear to be a very different state from WV or KY, despite socioeconomic similarities.

Sorry to neuter your talking point.


by McNasty on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:50:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

I'm guessing you haven't seen the latest zogby and gallup polls.  And he did win blue collar votes in Oregon - the only group Hillary won are the elderly - and we all know they are the future of the party...


by interestedbystander on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:03:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 1)

May I quote a review of the exit polls in Oregon:

"Obama beat Hillary by sizable margins among all ages of white voters except those 60 and older. And he beat Hillary among voters with no college degree, too -- and since the state is overwhelmingly white, these voters are the ones he's supposed to have trouble with.

The exits also show that Obama also beat Hillary by seven points among voters making less than $50,000 (though she won among voters making between $15,000 and $30,000).

What's more, Obama also won among voters from a household with a union member."

I would call that winning back blue collar voters. She does better with that demographic in general, but it's not like he isn't getting any blue collar support, particularly in Oregon.

In terms of polling, the Reuters poll released today gave Obama a 48-40 lead over McCain, while Clinton is tied 43-43. In the direct Obama-Clinton polling... well, let me quote:
"The poll also found Obama expanded his lead over Clinton in the Democratic race to 26 percentage points, doubling his advantage from mid-April as Democrats begin to coalesce around Obama and prepare for the general election battle with McCain."

Of course, in the Electoral college map, Clinton runs better than her overall polling numbers indicate, and perhaps better than Obama.  (I tend to rely on fivethirtyeight.com, which has had both hovering between 45% and 55% for months, and ususally within a few points of each other.) But it's simply untrue to say that he's losing momentum or losing ground to McCain.


by tomchaps on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:09:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

The facts have a pro-Obama bias.


by TL on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:17:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 1)

Poor thing, I know your upset but here are some facts for you:

The latest national numbers from Gallup show some startling movement towards Obama among Dems who have been among Hillary's most reliable supporters.
It finds that Obama is now tied with Hillary among whites (47%-47%); leads her among women (49%-46%); edges her among Dems with a high school graduate or less (46%-47%); and leads her among Hispanics (51%-44%).
Those groups, obviously, have been the bedrock of Hillary's candidacy. The only major demographic group that Hillary gets 51% or more of are women aged 50 and older.
These numbers suggest that Obama's support is broadening daily, and that the party's rank and file -- in addition to its institutional players -- appear to be coalescing behind him.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:16:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

RIght, it can't be because they like Hillary and they're proud to vote for a woman for president.


by luckymortal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:13:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 2)

You mean the FREE outdoor concert given by an extremely popular local band that usually charges $75-$100 to see them, where he stepped on stage right after they performed?

THAT rally which was NOT a rally, but a free concert?

He was NOT the draw. THEY were. Amazing how you can claim he was. Either you are lying, or ill informed. Which is it?
http://www.allamericanblogger.com/2859/a -free-rock-concert-preceded-obamas-speec h-in-oregon/


by splashy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:22:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 1)

Great now you're posting right wing RUMORS.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:26:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

ROFL

"Exposing And Combatting Liberal Media Bias."
Yup, great source. One you can trust.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:33:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

That band normally draws ~1,000 locally. Not 75,000.


by platy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:53:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Oy, a right wing rag to support your position.  Blech!


Capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse..." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse..."
by igottheblues on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:06:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Right.  

Because they couldn't have left after the concert.  

Obama's campaign must have handed out free shoes - with superglue on the soles!  They're so crafty!!


by TL on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:19:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

You've obviously never heard the Decemberists.


by Rationalisto on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:21:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 2)

The Decembrist ROCK. No wonder the crowd came out: free band, one of the first nice days in spring. I would have been there. I wish I had been there. And no I would not have jumped up and fled when Obama hit the stage.


by redwagon on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:45:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Hmmm. If the shoe were on the other foot--say Hilary is speaking on a nice day and a rock band opened--I still would have stayed home.

Unless it was M83. Then I would leave immediately after the concert, get a scone, and sit by the river.

Those folks in Portland must have seen something they like at least as much as the Decemberists...

Just saying.


by Rationalisto on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:35:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Even your lies are wrong.

Decembrist tickets for a concert in Bend this weekend: $33.

The basis of the error in the lie in the smear you are spreading is that the Decembrists sometimes do 3 day shows (1 night long form improvisations, 1 night songs, 1 night audience choice). The tickets for each night run in the $30 range, so for the small number of devotees who hit all 3 nights, the tickets would be $90 total.


by letterc on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:45:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Someone a bit full of sour grapes?


by Rick in Eugene on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:07:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Your post implies that Obama coined "the fierce urgency of now."  Sorry, it's from MLK.  He quoted it when he first started using it.  He doesn't quote it anymore because most people know where it comes from.


by The Distillery on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:12:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 4)

sweetie, the civil rights movement was about ending institutional racism, which relied on the right to have every vote counted.  Freeing the slaves was called the emancipation proclamation.  


by anna shane on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:41:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Huh?

One has nothing to do with the other, and even if they did Primaries do not elect officials.

And incase I forgot, Blacks are still being disenfranchised from voting.

Tell that to someone who got stopped from voting because they live in a "black" area that "hillary's struggle" in florida and michigan is a continuation of the rights MLK fought for.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:46:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (2.00 / 3)

why not tell that to black Floridians?  


by anna shane on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:48:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

because they would be well-informed enough to know what a crock it is.


by interestedbystander on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:04:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

I'm just parroting what Drudge and several other sources have up as a headline. As goes Drudge, so does the MSM. Sad fact. I know my history quite well.

Thanks for the patronizing attitude though! Appreciate it!


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:49:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Wait, isn't calling someone "sweetie" a really horrible, sexist thing to do?

I'm confused...


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:15:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Yes, it is if it's meant that way.

In this case, it's sarcasm.


by splashy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:27:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Meant what way?  As a term of endearment?  A regional expression?  


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:19:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

No. As overly familiar and disrespectful, as though she were a child. The woman that was said to was a reporter, deserving more respect than that.


by splashy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:03:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

OK, just so we're clear.  Thanks, Sweetie.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:08:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

Well, bless your heart.


by splashy on Fri May 23, 2008 at 05:14:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary compared seating Fl. and Michigan (none / 0)

So, when did it become clear that counting the Florida votes was akin to freeing the slaves?

Apparently around the time Barack Obama won a bunch of states in a row.  

Sure seems like Hillary didn't see things that way back in December of last year ... when her voice might actually have made a difference.

But then, that would have cost her votes in Iowa and New Hampshire, which she was intent on winning at the time.

All politicians do have to make compromises and cut corners - nobody's entirely pure.  But even for a politician, it's mighty cynical for Sen. Clinton to be pretending that there's a great moral principle at stake here and attributing to herself - and her surrogate Harold Ickes!! - any part of the blame for the situation.


by TL on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:25:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (1.44 / 9)

You could always write more "jokes" using the terms "camel fucker" and "Obama" in the same sentence, as you did here:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/13/2 171/72216/34#34


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:29:06 PM EST

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 5)

This comment is addressed to "Lord Hadrian"


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:30:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

And who is he making fun of?

Im pretty sure it is the NoQuarter site who is the but of that joke.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:30:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Rofl. (2.00 / 2)

Same thing, over and over.

Your posts are so angry; at first I was like what's wrong with this guy. Now I know just to laugh because it's a comedy routine.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:31:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rofl. (1.50 / 4)

Know Vox initiates the flame wars and then hides behind the decent Hillary supporters on this site. Modus operandi.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:32:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rofl. (2.00 / 3)

I hear he is going to campaign this summer with Ragekage for the nominee.

There going to do it all Roadtrip/comingofagemovie/thelma&lou ise style.

In a 1985 Chevy stationwagon they will criss cross our great nation campaigning for Democratic victories nationwide.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:34:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 1)

I gotta ask, why couldn't Clinton close the deal in Oregon?  If she had won there, and NC, she might've had a shot.  Do white people out west not like her?


by NewOaklandDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:34:21 PM EST

I know, right? (none / 0)

I keep hearing she's got "the momentum," but it looks to me like Senator Clinton got pounded flat in Oregon.  I thought she was going to be cleaning up here at the end, but it's more of a sputtering...


by McNasty on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:44:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

Eh, not so much.


by interestedbystander on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:44:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 4)

You gotta ask as well... Why couldnt Obama close the deal in KY, WV, PA, IN, TX, OH ?

Oh wait, you were asking a rhetorical question... and not expecting a rhetorical answer ?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:47:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

He closed the deal. You just fail to see it.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:51:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Congratulations (none / 0)

to you...for being able to see that the deal has been closed !


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:54:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you!!!! ; ) (none / 0)


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:08:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 1)

Naw, I was just turning the usual Clinton argument around and being snarky.    

Obama didn't win those states for a variety of reasons.

But I think its a legit question anyway.  Why did she get flattened in OR and NC if she's got momentum?


by NewOaklandDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:51:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 3)

Likewise, Clinton did not win in NC and OR for a variety of reasons... that does not alter the fact that she has momentum, if momentum is measured by a different metric (such as winning a larger share of the popular vote since March 4, or overall).

You could have also argued that Obama did not have momentum in Febuary because Clinton got some votes, and Obama did not get all the votes cast in Feb.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:56:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

I suppose that we could go back and forth on this for a while, but I am pretty sure that if there is any momentum, it's with Obama now.  National polling, and SD's would appear to agree.

Clinton did a good job running up the score in states where her support was strong, but it's too little, too late.  Maybe if she had actually contested more states during her 12 state loosing streak, things might be different.

Her best shot was to knock Obama out in NC.  The polls certainly gave her suppoters hope, but she failed.  And she failed to make up any ground in OR, and actually appeared to loose ground at the end.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:00:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 1)

National polling was always expected to give him a 10 point bounce once he wrapped things up (which he has!)

That does not mean he has momentum.. he is going to be the first nominee to have lost the popular vote, for instance.  That is quite a stigma!!

Clinton has lost...but she will be the strongest loser in recent history (aside from Reagan in 1976), and well positioned for 2012.... should Obama lose in 2008 (which can happen, you know)  

In fact, Clinton is better liked now than she was about 1 yr back... even diehard conservatives are mouthing her praise.  The opposite is the case for Obama.

It has truly been a strange election!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:05:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

Well, I refute your popular vote assertion.  We will never know how many people participated the the four unreported caucus states.  So I don't see the stigma.

And he may well secure the lead in this false metric anyway - I think PR will actually go for him.  And there are a lot of voters there.  GUes we have to wait a week.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:11:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

If you agree that there is a stigma associated with losing the popular vote (even though you believe Sen. Obama will ultimately win the popular vote), then you should be mystified by his decision to skip KY altogether... No ?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:24:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

I refute the entire idea of a 'stigma' for 'loosing' the 'popular vote' in the primaries, so the rest of your statment is moot.  But have a nice day!


by NewOaklandDem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:36:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

Playing the expectations game and media narrative.

It's all Hillary has. Sorry if B.O. doesn't play into her game.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:37:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

I don't think campaigning in KY or WV would have improved his results much. And as stated above, it would have hurt his media narrative.


by platy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:02:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 2)

It's negative momentum when you slow down. You know, losing steam, fading away. Disappearing.

So in that respect, she's got TONS of momentum. Enough for everyone, in fact.


by Rationalisto on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:24:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 2)

Hillary Clinton stole the momentum.  

Not quite, but trying their damnedest  to game the system  for that steal.


by neonplaque on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:34:49 PM EST

Before this gets out of hand (1.00 / 3)

Can we please aknowledge who started stirring up sh*t on this
diary? It's pretty clear KnowVox only wants to cause trouble here.
No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:34:54 PM EST

What? KnowVox isn't a troll. (1.42 / 7)

He's the Court Jester.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:36:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What? KnowVox isn't a troll. (2.00 / 4)

Personal attacks on another user...violation of MyDD guidelines...that and indiscriminate use of Hide Rating where it is not warranted....

Sorry...you get a troll rating for that !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:43:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What? KnowVox isn't a troll. (none / 0)

How is that personal. Everyone here is anonymous?


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:19:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What? KnowVox isn't a troll. (none / 0)

Calling Knot Vox court jester might not be an insult. Often, through the disguise of being a fool, the court jester was the only one allowed to make fun of the king or queen.

I wish there was a court jester in the White House now.


McCainuire, The Wrath Of Not Enough Naps.
by catilinus on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:41:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Before this gets out of hand (none / 0)

I wonder if admin will allow these posts after she concedes.

At that point there only purpose will be to start fights.

This and the last 2-3 "REC LISTERs" diaries have collapsed from the first minute.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:38:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Two more weeks. (2.00 / 2)



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:37:55 PM EST

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 5)

We know who wanted to start something here. Less than ONE MINUTE after this diary was posted, Lord Hadrian started in making false accusation about Clinton supporters.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/21/1 72412/586/2#2


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:38:55 PM EST

Hey, I've seen that comment before! (none / 0)

HOW DID YOU.... [head explodes]. Where did you get that?

I could've sworn I posted that up there! But now it's down here.


Commissar: Canadian Gal; Proletariat Policemen: ragekage, Lord Hadrian. "For the Proletariat!"
by Lord Hadrian on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:40:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hey, I've seen that comment before! (2.00 / 6)

That's because you tried to abuse the hide-rating system of this site.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:45:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

And if he waited another 2 minutes the last people left at noquarter would come and spam our site.

Whats the difference?


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:40:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

Politico has done an analysis, and it seems that even if Clinton gets the most favorable seating of FL and MI possible - Obama still wins handily.

You guys, what will you do here in a few weeks when this is done?


by Lawyerish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:39:09 PM EST

Rock on, TexasDarlin' (2.00 / 4)


by Scan on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:43:08 PM EST

Re: Rock on, TexasDarlin' (2.00 / 1)

Are you Scan from Taylor Marsh?

I'm an Obama supporter and lurk sometimes over there. Although some commenters were out of line and giving the site a bad name I admire what you and Taylor have done the last week or so.

I always read your shit too. Why don't you write diaries over here?

You're alot better than the majority of Clinton supporters on this site. Keep doing what you are doing.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:46:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rock on, TexasDarlin' (2.00 / 3)

I kinda got my start here...I'm still here but Taylor's site is my focus now.

I left DailyKos because so many nasty Obama commenters there, and didn't feel welcome. It cuts both ways.

I appreciate the compliment, but I love the people on Taylor's boards, even though I do agree that the comments can be unfortunate at times. Its been a rough primary season, we can all admit that.


by Scan on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:55:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rock on, TexasDarlin' (2.00 / 1)

I here ya. It's been pretty nasty on both sides.

Love your work though!


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:59:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rock on, TexasDarlin' (2.00 / 4)

Thanks!


by Scan on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:59:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Rock on, TexasDarlin' (none / 0)

Taylor Marsh makes me feel like I've been bound and gagged in a stupidity closet. Trapped. No where to hide. Nothing but darkness and idiocy.

So I close the browser Window and donate money to Obama. The icky feeling goes away. Maybe he IS magic.


by Rationalisto on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:27:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Great picture, TD. (none / 0)

See, I have something positive to say about your diary.


by McNasty on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:45:50 PM EST

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

Is that a picture of Hillary rocking out with Whitesnake at a county fair? awesome.  


by Mobar on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:46:52 PM EST

No (2.00 / 1)

It's her moving cover of "If I could turn back time"


by ameridad on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:56:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 9)

Texas Darlin, keep up the good work!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:47:57 PM EST

And you keep up (2.00 / 1)

that other kind of work!


by McNasty on Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:52:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (2.00 / 4)

Lord Hadrian, you won't last long on this site giving zero ratings to comments like this.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:35:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Power to the People (none / 0)

Hmm, I'm an Obama supporter, but I've made it cl