Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You

Barack Obama did not raise your gas prices.
Barack Obama did not ship your job to Mexico.
Barack Obama did not write your sermons.
Barack Obama did not deny your habeas corpus.
Barack Obama did not cast your primary vote
and Barack Obama did not dismiss your primary vote.
Barack Obama did not raise your interest rates.

Barack Obama did not send that letter you wouldn't open for days because you knew what was in it but thought it might go away if you waited long enough only it didn't.
Barack Obama did not foreclose on your house.
Barack Obama did not protect your perverted priest.
Barack Obama did not deny your claim.
Barack Obama did not key your car.
Barack Obama did not call you sweetie,
probably,
and if he did, he meant it to be nice.
Barack Obama did not beat up your kid.
Barack Obama did not deny your choice.
Barack Obama did not steal your lunch money.
Barack Obama did not cause the Sichuan earthquake
or Cyclone Nardis in Myanmar (Burma).
Barack Obama did not ruin your marriage,
or the marriage before that, or that one either.
Barack Obama did not vote to authorize this war.
Barack Obama did not question your sexuality.  
Barack Obama did not send military recruiters to your son's high school.
Barack Obama did not make you forget your lines.
Barack Obama did not throw up at the party.
Barack Obama did not get your boss pissed at you
and Barack Obama did not make your best employee quit.
Barack Obama did not lose your mail.
Barack Obama did not borrow money from you.
Barack Obama did not paper your house on Halloween.
Barack Obama did not tell your kids not to talk to you.
Barack Obama did not close the mine.
Barack Obama did not make you an alcoholic.
Barack Obama did not privatize your pension.
Barack Obama did not cross your picket line.
Barack Obama did not question your religion
or your lack of religion.
Barack Obama did not draw a knife on you in a subway train.
Barack Obama did not give Ted Kennedy cancer.
Barack Obama did not take your place in line.

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I wrote this (none / 0)

for the folks here.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:30:39 PM EST

This revolution IS BEING televised. (2.00 / 1)

There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:47:18 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (2.00 / 2)

Hillary did none of those things either.

what is your point?


by colebiancardi on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:31:57 PM EST

Exactly (2.00 / 1)

Why do people here seem to hate him if he didn't do that stuff?

And Clinton HAS done one or two of those things (like vote to authorize the war).


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:36:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Exactly (none / 0)

and Obama has continued to VOTE on funding the war.

So, what is the diff?


by colebiancardi on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:02:34 PM EST
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On positions, there's not much difference (none / 0)

Enough to vote for one or the other in the primary, but not enough for a Hillary supporter to vote R or not vote in November.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:06:49 PM EST
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Do you believe in (none / 0)

refusing treatment to accident victims who weren't wearing their seatbelts?

No? Then why do you think it's a good idea to withold food, water, armor, and shelter to the troops once they've been deployed due to the votes of craven politicians?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:08:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Do you believe in (none / 0)

it is how we ended Vietnam.


by colebiancardi on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:49:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And look how that turned out (none / 0)

Our most shameful hour.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:59:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Exactly (none / 0)

One was stupid enough to believe Bush, the other wasn't.


by venician on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:09:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (none / 0)

Read them carefully.  Clinton scores on one of those things Obama did not do!!


by rf7777 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:54:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (none / 0)

cheerleading NAFTA?


by eeruck01 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:50:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

True, but the anger here (2.00 / 1)

is primarily toward Obama for some offense that is never really identified.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:35:15 PM EST

His offense is simple (1.50 / 2)


    He beat Hillary. Most of her supporters thought the nomination was hers, and indeed she often acted like she was entitled to it.

   The Clinton supporters are aggrieved. Their candidate got outworked. Obama wanted it more.

   The only thing Obama has done is beat Hillary in a fair election. Several Clintonites clearly can't handle that yet.


by southernman on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:16:56 PM EST
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Re: His offense is simple (none / 0)

Sorry, but I just have to call you out on the fact that in response to what is a generally positive diary trying to point out some issues that would allow some to more appropriately direct anger that might currently be directed to Obama for reasons having nothing to do with this election or him personally, you have to go and make a personal attack on Hillary supporters by painting them all with some negative brush stroke.  While you might like to believe you have the perfect candidate, he is not perfect and there are many valid concerns with his potential win of the nomination...and some of us are trying to discuss those real issues.  You are doing nothing to assist in the unity process, and in fact are damaging the chances of unity, by your attitude--I'll simply ask that you keep that in mind going forward if you really want a Democrat in the White House.  

And by the way, I think the Democrats could stand to learn a thing or two about running a legitimate campaign that would also further make it feel like it's been a "fair election."      


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:26:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

My question (2.00 / 2)

WHY hasn't Barack Obama questioned my sexuality?  I mean, seriously.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:37:35 PM EST

What will become of this site (none / 0)

once Clinton concedes? There are only so many accounts you can disable, Jerome, before your site becomes a blue version of H44.

What then?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:38:30 PM EST

Re: What will become of this site (none / 0)

It will be nice if he unbans and unrestricts everyone.

If he does it he probably wont admit to it.

I hope he does, this blog will be a good weapon for the GE if he allows it to be.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:51:26 PM EST
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Re: What will become of this site (none / 0)

Hopefully the people who pointlessly bash the site and refuse to engage in discussion will go away because the site is "irrelevant". Then the rest of us can critically discuss the course of the general election and the strategies of the candidates.


by souvarine on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:09:36 PM EST
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Re: What will become of this site (none / 0)

ok, so you agree.  
Reactive accounts and privledges, word gets around.

Trolling will not be an issue anymore now that the Primary is over.

Trolls will be more aparent as there is no reason for a Democrat to do it anymore.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:19:20 PM EST
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Re: What will become of this site (none / 0)

Uh, no, I'm not interested in re-activated trolls. It's not up to me but I would advise against it. Those who deep down wanted to participate but were just acting out have already returned, as sock-puppets.


by souvarine on Wed May 21, 2008 at 04:20:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What will become of this site (none / 0)

Why would it matter.

The primary is over, only GOP activists would be trolling and they are easy to spot (not too smart them repubs)


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 04:34:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What will become of this site (none / 0)

once Clinton concedes? There are only so many accounts you can disable, Jerome, before your site becomes a blue version of H44.

What then?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:39:51 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (2.00 / 3)

Barack Obama did not convince me to vote for him in the primary or the fall.


by darwinism on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:42:07 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (none / 0)

And I guess Hillary hasn't convinced you to vote for Obama over McCain either?


by Aris Katsaris on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:16:52 PM EST
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Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (2.00 / 1)

if she tells me that he's the change we can believe in and yes we can, then maybe i'll pull the lever for him after i take some dramamine.

i mean, WE DEMOCRATS accuse the republicans of scare tactics all the time. yet, the main argument for obama in novemeber seems to be that he's not mccain. mccain = evil. mccain = more bush years. mccain = torture and war. yes, we need change. but i also want a competent leader. if i have to wait another 4 years, fine.

i'm sorry. but try convincing middle america that a man who was a POW is evil. try convincing middle america that a man who has a son in iraq wants the very worst for our troops. to me, it looks like a november with the map soaked in red and the dems once again feeling the blues.


by darwinism on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:58:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Being captured by the NVA doesn't make you good (none / 0)

Your soul doesn't automatically get three shades cleaner after being incarcerated and tortured by communists.  If you're a bitter, mean person, then there's every chance that you'll come out of an experience like that bitter and mean.

It's not fear, it's disgust.  We're not afraid of Bush anymore, not really, but we're disgusted by his policies, and, by extension, McCain's policies.  We want someone who will at least try to change things; Clinton wants that, too.

If you think that John McCain is a competant leader, you haven't been paying attention to his constant flow of gaffes.  If he doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia despite being involved in "every major foreign policy decision" of the last several decades, then I can't see how you can think of him as a "competant leader."  

Your thoughts on a "map soaked in red" obviously haven't dwelled much on the three special House elections this year, all of which went blue in red districts.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:50:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'd take you more seriously (none / 0)

if I didn't know you rec'd Michael Begala's disgusting diary today.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 21, 2008 at 04:43:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He does nothing for me. (2.00 / 1)


by JimR on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:09:01 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (2.00 / 3)

Actually, one time I invited Barack to this party at my place and he questioned my sexuality, which ruined my marriage, then he stole my lunch money, which led to my house being foreclosed, then he puked all over the place, which got my boss super pissed (it got on his shoes).

I'm still not voting for McCain in the fall though.


John McCain: Extending SCHIP would be an "unfunded liability."
by Fuzzy Dunlop on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:14:25 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (2.00 / 2)

Okay, you actually make some very valid points...that could be effective for someone who is perhaps misdirecting anger toward him just as some have done to Hillary (including for things that occurred before either her or her husband held any federal position).

But, I'd add a few things, the first of which weighed heavily on my mind and was the biggest clincher in my support for Hillary:

Barack did not hold a single meeting of the subcommittee he's "served" as Chairperson for since January 2007--the same committee responsible for oversight of NATO and Europe in Afghanistan, where NATO has reported increased deaths over this last year and where Germany has apparently been cherry-picking the spots where they'll fight (i.e., sticking with northern Afghanistan while the most extreme fighting is occurring in southern Afghanistan, where our men and women are most heavily concentrated and suffering the greatest casualties)--yet he's stressed throughout his campaign how "he will" fix Afghanistan "when he becomes President."  (Just for the record, Hillary held at least three meetings of the committee she chairs, while attending and working on others as well.)

Barack did not honestly present Hillary's position in many of his advertisements.

Barack did not honor his own statement to his Illinois voters and to the media that he would not be running for this Presidency because he would not have sufficient experience and would not have served what he apparently felt was needed time in his current job at that time (and, therefore, Barack did not impress this voter who thinks he could probably make a fine President at some time in the future when he'd likely have more demonstrated experience at being able to turn his words into actions).  

Barack did not yet convince me that he grasps our foreign and military affairs sufficiently to not perhaps cause more unnecessary damage going forward.

Barack did not convince me that words speak louder than actions--rather, as I've always beleived, actions speak louder than words.  

And just one other big one while we're on it:

Barack did not yet win this Primary Election.


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:30:12 PM EST

Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (2.00 / 1)

Obama's sub-committee has nothing to do with Afghanistan.  It's a European Affairs subcommittee.

Both candidates have not fully explained the others' position in ads.  That's not their job.

Obama has routinely addressed the issue of why he's running.  Nobody in Illinois blames him in any way for running and, in fact, it was largely Illinois constituents that convinced him to run, if I recall.  See also: Fierce urgency of 'now.'

Obama was right on attacking Al Qaida in Pakistan, he was right on the Iraq war... what more proof do you need that he's got a better handle on foreign policy than anyone else currently in the race?

Honestly, your reasons, while they are yours and I cannot blame you for having them, smack of window dressing for some other reason that you're not coming clear on.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nobody in Illinois blames him.... (2.00 / 1)

well this is one Illinoian who does!!  


by jentwisl on Wed May 21, 2008 at 04:12:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Alright then. (none / 0)

The majority of Illinoians don't blame him.

I stand corrected.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Wed May 21, 2008 at 04:18:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Barack Obama Has Not Hurt You (none / 0)

Regarding your comment on Barack's subcommitte, I guess you're just silly enough then to believe that simply the title of something tells you everything there is to know about it?  So let me site for you, direct from the Senate's website at http://foreign.senate.gov/jurisdiction.h tml :

"SUBCOMMITTEE ON EUROPEAN AFFAIRS
Barack Obama, Chairman
Jim DeMint, Ranking Member

Jurisdiction:
The subcommittee deals with all matters concerning U.S. relations with the countries on the continent of Europe (except the states of Central Asia that are within the jurisdiction of the Subcommittee on Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs), and with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the European Union and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Matters relating to Greenland and the northern polar region are also the responsibility of this subcommittee.

This subcommittee's responsibilities include all matters within the geographic region relating to: (1) terrorism and non-proliferation; (2) crime and illicit narcotics; (3) U.S. foreign assistance programs; and (4) the promotion of U.S. trade and exports."

So when NATO is reporting that Germany and other European countries are not fulfilling their duties in Afghanistan that the U.S. and other countries are paying the price for in casualties, yes, that would certainly fall under this subcommittee's jurisdiction.  But I just cited many more articles downthread with references, so I'll leave it at that.  

With respect to your second comment, there's a difference between "not fully explaining" your opposition's position and deliberately misrepresenting it in print and on the stump (or misrepresenting your own for that matter).  

Regarding the Illinois voters, I'd have to agree with another commenter that I've heard and seen many comments by other Illinois voters that he doesn't exactly have their full support.  And so far (and I have looked fairly extensively), I'm afraid I've only seen an "urgency of now" as it relates to his own goals, rather than any evidence that shows why he felt he was apparently the only one able to provide what the country needs now.

I've already discussed the foreign policy endlessly all over this site...but I'll be succinct in saying that he's not convinced me "he's got a better handle on foreign policy than anyone else currently in the race"...quite the opposite. (And just a reminder, since he didn't have to actually place a vote on the Iraq war, and he's on record while supporting other cnadidates that voted for the war as having said he's not sure what he would have done had he had to vote, that it's again not as simply as saying he was "right on the Iraq war".)  

Honestly, you don't know me and I don't know you, but we have our differing opinions (although I feel I can stand fairly firmly on mine considering the thoroughly researched facts on which I've based them...still it comes down to what's important to me vs. what's important to you)--however, I can assure you I was simply trying to address the facts as I did as important issues to me without any "smack of window dressing for some other reason."  If and when I address other issues, I'll be very clear that I'm addressing those issues--but these are the issues that have been important to me. (If anything, those who've seen some of my frequent posts here have probably realized I'm fairly thorough in what I'm trying to say...perhaps to a fault...but I don't mince words, so please don't accuse me of any hidden agenda as there is not one.)


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:04:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]

what subcommittee is that? n/t (none / 0)


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:37:27 PM EST

Re: what subcommittee is that? n/t (2.00 / 1)

I hope I'm interpreting that question correctly as being put to me?  Thanks for the mojo btw, kellogg, even though I wasn't in complete agreement with your post, I did think it had merit (and obviously I didn't manage to be quite as concise as you with my list--but I was glad to see you didn't mind another point of view).

Not sure if you mean Barack's or Hillary's, so:

Barack's Chairmanship is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's Subcommittee on European Affairs (a committee responsible for oversight of NATO and European actions in Afghanistan...and you'll find some perhaps enlightening articles about it here: http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/200 7/12/29/obama_europe/  and  although it was an earlier memo from NATO that clued me into the problems being faced there, I found the following October '07 news report addressing the issue ( http://www.dawn.com/2007/10/28/top12.htm ) and a Spring '08 internal NATO parliamentary report that provides a more recent picture, that seems to expand beyond Germany being the main problem [to include other European countries] at: http://www.nato-pa.int/default.asp?SHORT CUT=1473 .  This problem already apparently existed in late '06...as noted in this article: http://www.thetrumpet.com/print.php?q=31 15 and has only expanded all during '07 and into '08.)  Just as the Salon article noted prior Chairmen's leadership on this subcommittee in initating key actions, it seems the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan has been calling out for further attention, in areas that would fall directly under Barack's oversight with this committee...and that Barack is in a perfect positioon to have been doing something about this; but instead, I was sorry to find and am sorry to report, he's apparently done nothing (as he himself confessed during one of the debates, because he noted he's been too busy running for President).    

Hillary's Chairmanship is on the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works's Subcommittee on the Superfund and Environmental Health (Meetings Held During Run for Pesidency: 10/17/07 - "Oversight Hearing on the Federal Superfund Program's Activities to Protect Public Health," 7/25/07 - "Oversight of the EPA's Environmental Justice Programs," and 6/20/07 - "EPA's Response to 9-11 and Lessons Learned for Future Emergency Preparedness.")  

So I truly hope your question was directed to me...and that this provides the answers you were looking for.  Cheers!  


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:10:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what subcommittee is that? n/t (2.00 / 1)

It was directed to you, and thanks for the response.  

I'm not interested in claiming anything like perfection for Obama.  Edwards was my candidate of choice, and I went for Obama only after some thought.  What I wanted to get at with this piece was some of the irrational criticism of Obama: he "kicked me to the curb," "told me to get out of the party," "called me (or my candidate) a racist," etc. Substantive criticism (such as yours) should always be welcome.  It would be nice if such criticism (on both sides) started to edge out the irrational bullshit.  


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Thu May 22, 2008 at 12:29:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: what subcommittee is that? n/t (none / 0)

You're very welcome, kellogg.  Sorry for the delay, though.  I actually started responding earlier (before there'd been many other posts but your new one, so I'd hoped I was guessing right on that) but then got pulled away for work again, and it's taken awhile to get back here.  

And I couldn't agree with you more that substantive criticism (or debate or discussion, or whatever various people might call it) is far more welcome and helpful on many fronts than the irrational bullshit that too often fills these boards.  Granted, I've found MyDD to be far more substantive than most sites, but it's still subject to unfortunate bouts of...hmmm, yeah irrational (and I'll add seemingly uninformed or immature, not quite sure) bullshit...that works!  And neither Obama nor Clinton is obviously perfect, but it's refreshing to see an Obama supporter actually admit that since so many really seem to claim that he is.  For what's it worth, I was sorry to see Edwards not get more of a shot...personally, I'd have thought this was going to be an Edwards/Clinton battle going on now.  And although I started as a general Clinton fan, I also briefly had slipped to Obama's side...before I started realizing some things that just have not allowed me to be comfortable with him at this precarious time in our country while I found more and more that spoke well for Clinton.  

And, I'm sorry for rambling again.  But I'll again say, I thought this was a good diary and will undoubtedly (or perhaps I should say hopefully) get some thinking who didn't really have a strong basis for not "liking" Barack.  Although I would hope most reading this site have some good basis for their support, some of the comments I've seen would seem to say otherwise. In fact, if he does in fact get this nomination, I'd actually suggest this might be a good op-ed piece where it might have a better chance of catching some eyes not necessarily checking these kinds of sites...I think it might be a bit more thought-provoking in a more general readership (at least I like to believe in the good of people, so I'd like to think it would get some brains thinking).  And the humor you interjected was a nice touch too!  :-)  Cheers!


HRC: "...not a vote to rush to war--it...puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President, we say to him 'Use these powers wisely and as a last resort.'"
by ChargedFan on Thu May 22, 2008 at 01:47:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Yes he did... (none / 0)

he voted FOR the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill.....


by nikkid on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:48:07 PM EST

You mean the 2005 energy bill? (none / 0)

Yes, he voted for it.  I don't think that's had much effect on gas prices.  In retrospect, it may have raised food prices by increasing ethanol production and transferring corn away from food.  But I don't think anybody voted against the bill with that logic at the time.  

It's a regional issue: most legislators in ethanol producing states favor ethanol legislation.  


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:18:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You mean the 2005 energy bill? (none / 0)

the fact that he voted FOR it - has hurt millions of people by costing consumers  millions of dollars - while the oil companies continue to make record profits.....

so you are wrong.


by nikkid on Wed May 21, 2008 at 07:57:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

but... (2.00 / 1)

Barack Obama put on the South Carolina Homophobic Road Show and Barack Obama supporters continue to cry "racism" while displaying the worst sexism I've ever seen.


I am sick of the disrespect shown to Sen.Clinton by many on Dailykos, and now, too often, here. You aren't winning hearts and minds.
by SoCalVet on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:03:39 PM EST

The worst sexism you've ever seen? (2.00 / 1)

Wow, you haven't seen much.


Obama leads the popular vote too
by kellogg on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:06:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

but I've seen enough... (none / 0)


I am sick of the disrespect shown to Sen.Clinton by many on Dailykos, and now, too often, here. You aren't winning hearts and minds.
by SoCalVet on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:39:33 PM EST
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