Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Numbers)

I spent over 10 hours calling Kentucky and Oregon today (all but an hour of it KY) and I'm mighty zonked.  But I thought I'd share the speech Hillary gave at her victory party in Louisville today before I call it a day.

Last time I checked Hillary was winning Kentucky by a vote of 65% to 30% and Hillary increases her lead in the popular vote by over 250,000 votes tonight.  Here's what she had to say a little while ago...

Transcript: Hillary Clinton Delivers Remarks at Louisville , KY Celebration Event

Hillary Clinton delivered the following remarks at a victory celebration in Louisville, KY tonight:

Thank you, Kentucky . Thank you all very, very much. I am so grateful for this victory. And I am so appreciative, because tonight I am thinking about why we are all here. It is not just to win a primary, or even just to win an election; what propels us is the struggle to realize America 's promise. A nation where every child can achieve his or her God-given potential, where every man and woman has a fair chance, where we fulfill the ideals our founders pledged their lives to defend and our nation was born to uphold.

I want to say a special word this evening about someone who has spent his whole life dedicated to realizing the promise of America . Senator Ted Kennedy is one of the greatest progressive leaders in our party's history, and one of the most effective senators in our country's history. He's my friend, and he's my inspiration. More than that, he is a hero to millions of Americans whose lives he has fought to better.

I am proud to have stood side-by-side with Ted Kennedy to increase the minimum wage, to extend health insurance to millions of children, to help stop insurance companies from discriminating against the sick. But the privileges that I have had and so many others have had because of the battles we have fought side-by-side with him are just a mere handful of what he has done during his entire public service; five extraordinary decades devoted to America.

And as a lifelong champion for social justice and equality, his work has made the path easier for me, for Senator Obama, and for countless others. He has been with us for our fights and we're with him now in his. And I know he is going to fight with all of his legendary might, supported by his wonderful wife Vicki and his entire family against this latest challenge. And we wish him well and send our thoughts and prayers to him.

Tonight we've achieved an important victory. It is not just Kentucky bluegrass that is music to my ears. It is the sound of your overwhelming vote of confidence even in the face of some pretty tough odds. Some have said your votes didn't matter, that this campaign was over, that allowing everyone to vote and every vote to count would somehow be a mistake. But that didn't stop you. You've never given up on me because you know I'll never give up on you.

This is one of the closest races for a party's nomination in modern history. We're winning the popular vote and I'm more determined than ever to see that every vote is cast and every ballot counted. I commend Senator Obama and his supporters and while we continue to go toe-to-toe for this nomination, we do see eye-to-eye when it comes to uniting our party to elect a Democratic president in the fall.

But I need your help. Your support has made the difference between victory and defeat. Though we have been outspent massively, your support has helped us make our case on the air and on the ground, and your help will keep us going. We've made it this far together, so please go to HillaryClinton.com and together we will make history. And I can't do it without you.

Now, you know that the stakes are high. After all this country has been through the past seven years, we have to get this right. We have to select a nominee who is best positioned to win in November, and someone who is best prepared to address the enormous challenges facing our country in these difficult times. That is what this election is all about.

Now, I'm told that more people have voted for me than for anyone who has ever run for the Democratic nomination. That is more than 17 million votes. Now, why? Why do millions keep turning out to vote in the face of naysayers and skeptics? Because you know that our political process is more than candidates running, or the pundits chattering, or the ads blaring. It is about the path we choose as a nation and whether or not we will solve our toughest problems. Whether or not we will have a president who will rebuild the economy, end the war in Iraq , restore our leadership in the world and stand up for you every single day.

The people I meet along the campaign trail don't always make the headlines; the nurses and teachers, the truckers and soldiers, the waitresses and firefighters, the police officers and coal miners, the college students and line workers. The men and women who get up every single day, work hard to make a difference for their families. The people struggling to make ends meet, to find a good job, to pay the bills, to have a shot at the American Dream.

For too long, too many Americans have felt invisible in their own country. Well, you've never been invisible to me. I've been fighting for you my entire life.

And I want you to remember, we are in this race because we believe that every single American deserves quality, affordable health care, no exceptions. We are in this race because we believe everyone deserves a shot at the American Dream, the opportunity to work hard at a good job to get ahead, to save for college, for a home, for retirement. To fill the gas tank and buy the groceries with a little left at the end of each month; to build a better life for you and your children. We are in this race because we believe this new century poses new challenges to meet and new opportunities to seize, if we only had a president ready, willing and able to lead.

To turn the climate crisis into an energy revolution and create million of new jobs; to turn the risks of the new global economy into the rewards of new prosperity shared by all of our people. We are in this race because we believe it will take a Commander-in-Chief with the strength and knowledge to end the war in Iraq safely and quickly, and a president with experience representing the people of the United States in more than 80 countries to restore our leadership and moral authority in the world.

And yes, we are in this race because we believe America is worth fighting for. This continues to be a tough fight. And I have fought it the only way I know how -- with determination, by never giving up and never giving in.

I have done it, not because I wanted to demonstrate my toughness, but because I believe passionately that for the sake of our country the Democrats must take back the White House and end the Republican rule. This country needs our combination of strength and compassion to help people struggling with their bills, living the hard reality of everyday life, in need of our leadership on issues from health care to energy to Social Security. That's why I'm still running and that's why you're still voting.

And I'm going on now to campaign in Montana , South Dakota , and Puerto Rico . And I'm going to keep standing up for the voters of Florida and Michigan . Democrats in those two states cast 2.3 million votes and they deserve to have those votes counted. That's why I'm going to keep making our case until we have a nominee, whoever she may be.

It is especially sweet tonight because Kentucky has a knack for picking presidents. This state delivered two terms to a president named Clinton . And it's often been said, as Kentucky goes, so goes the nation.

Neither Senator Obama nor I have won the 2210 delegates required to secure the nomination. And because this race is so close, still separated by less than 200 delegates out of more than 4,400, neither Senator Obama nor I will have reached that magic number when the voting ends on June the 3rd.

So, our party will have a tough choice to make. Who is ready to lead our party at the top of our ticket? Who is ready to defeat Senator McCain in the swing states and among swing voters? Who is ready to rebuild the economy and the war in Iraq and protect our national security as Commander-in-Chief? Who is ready on Day One to lead?

There are so many Kentuckians that I want to thank. I am so honored by your support and hospitality to me, to Bill and to Chelsea , and I want to thank Jerry and Charlotte Lundergan and my entire Kentucky Steering Committee, including former Governors Wendell Ford, Julian Carroll, John Y. Brown, Martha Layne Collins and Paul Patent. I want to thank Speaker Jody Richards and his wife Neva , former Attorney General, Greg Stumbo, Majority Leader Rocky Adkins and Tina Ward-Pugh, and Terry McBrayer, Joetta Wickliffe and Loretta Bosley.

I want to thank my friends in labor for standing by us every step of the way. I am grateful to the Kentucky Veterans for Hillary and honored by your support and your service. I want to thank my chairman, Terry McAuliffe, and my family. I am so grateful to the outstanding staff, volunteers and supporters in Kentucky and in Oregon and across America who have worked so hard.

Now, I have one more request to all of my supporters tonight, to the people I've met along the campaign trail, to everyone who has knocked on doors and volunteered and put up signs and donated to this campaign. Keep working. Keep fighting. Keep standing up for what you believe is right, because that is exactly what I'm going to do.

People ask me all the time, how do you keep going? Well, it is you who keep me going. And tonight, I'm thinking about all of the women I've met who were born before women could vote. Just this week, I met 89-year-old Emma Hollis, an African-American woman, she has seen so many barriers crumble and fall in her lifetime, but she is not finished yet. She has been volunteering out of our campaign office in Covington to help our campaign break the highest and hardest glass ceiling in the land.

I'm thinking about Andrea Steagall, a strong and composed young woman, 20 years old, who drove across Kentucky to meet me. Her husband, Justin, is deployed in Afghanistan . And she told me how important it is that we have a president who will always stand up for our veterans. And I am honored by her support, and by her family's service and sacrifice.

And I'm thinking again about Dalton Hatfield, the 11-year-old from Kentucky , who sold his bike and his video games to raise money to support my campaign. And then he asked others to give, too, and he was able to really give me a boost. And this week, I finally had the chance to meet him in Prestonsburg and to say, Dalton , thank you so much .The $422 you raised helped carry the day in Kentucky .

That's why I'm in this race, to fight for your future, and that's why whatever happens, I'll work as hard as I can to elect a Democratic president this fall. The state motto of Kentucky is, "United we stand, divided we fall." Words that have a special place in our history. They inspired American revolutionaries to unite the colonies, to defy an empire and create a new nation, to invent a new form of government, of the people, by the people, for the people. And they have bound our nation together in service and sacrifice, even in our darkest hours.

We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause; united in service of the hopes and dreams that know no boundaries of race or creed, gender or geography. And when we do, there will be no stopping us. We won't just unite our party; we will unite our country and make sure America 's best years are still ahead of us. Thank you, and God bless you and God bless America.

I just want to echo what Hillary said about Sen. Kennedy.  He was first elected to the Senate the year I was born (1962) - probably just a couple weeks after and I've always had the greatest respect for him.  Especially in the way he's fought for our basic human right to health care.  The working stiff has a great champion in him and I hope he finds a way to beat whatever's going on.  He'll be in my thoughts and prayers as he begins his battle against this - his toughest foe.

One more thing - in the ten hours of phone calls I made today (and I probably spoke with hundreds of folks) I have to say that the people of Kentucky are some of the warmest and most thoughtful people out there.  We discussed the issues whenever I ran into an undecided voter (those were few and far between) and Hillary's supporters had some amazingly encouraging things to say about our gal.

I lost count of the number of folks who asked me to tell her to stay strong and never give up the fight.  I told them that she's a fighter - that her wonderful husband has said many times of his wife that "there's no quit in that girl" - and that (speaking for me) I hope she takes this thing all the way to the convention.  The race is just too close to not go for it - the stakes are too high and we're counting on her to keep on fighting for us.

Oh and one more thing for all of you who say she should get out...

Hillary's now wracked up more votes than any other Democrat - ever.  Some 17 million Americans have turned out to say they want her to be our next president.  Many millions of them have declared our preference after the haters started their effort to push her out of this race.  And today we learn that her supporters have donated approximately $22 million in the month of April.  Check it out...

Clinton Campaign Raises $22 Million in April

Fundraising pace represents campaign's 2nd best month of the campaign

The Clinton campaign tonight announced that it raised approximately $22 million in the month of April.

"Senator Clinton's game-changing victories last month turned the tide for this campaign and resulted in an outpouring of grassroots support," said Campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe. "Just like Hillary, our supporters continue to fight. The support for Hillary continues to grow with each month and we are so thankful to the army of supporters who have assured that we'll have the resources needed to win the upcoming contests."

Included in the $22 million total, representing the campaign's second best fundraising month to date, is $10 million raised by the campaign in the 48 hours after Hillary's significant Pennsylvania victory. This total is in addition to a loan to the campaign of $5 million.

Additional details will be available in the campaign's FEC report, to be released later this evening.

Now if we thought she was finished, do you honestly think we'd have ponied up all that money?

Speaking of sending our gal some love, please consider donating if it's been a while - let Hillary know you're excited about her huge win in Kentucky, and that you want to see her keep fighting for us, and for the right to represent our party in the general election.

       
 

U P D A T E

I just got an email from Hillary and folks - she's in this thing and going strong. Check it out...

Once again tonight, you and I stood together and showed America what we're made of.

Every time we win another state, we prove something about ourselves and about our country. And did we ever prove something tonight in Kentucky.

We showed America that the voters know what the "experts" will never understand -- that in our great democracy, elections are about more than candidates running, pundits commenting, or ads blaring.

They're about every one of us having his or her say about the path we choose as a nation. The people of Kentucky have declared that this race isn't over yet, and I'm listening to them -- and to you.

Your unshakeable commitment to that principle and your willingness to keep forging ahead inspire me every day. Let's keep supporting one another in these crucial days ahead.

All the best, Hillary Rodham Clinton

HELP HILLARY FIGHT ON - CONTRIBUTENOW!

UPDATE 2

Ya know I've gone and posted a diary that's nothing but positive about my candidate. I wanted to celebrate her hard fought-for victory in Kentucky and some folks have done nothing but trash it and attack me on a personal level, with lies and call-outs.

I've also seen some really great MyDD'rs challenge them on their childish behavior. So to anyone who's pissed about this garbage, do me a favor and put your disgust to good use - donate to Hillary's historic campaign and let the spammers know you're going to push back every time they pull this stuff!

       
 



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Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 17)

Another HUGE win for Hillary!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:43:43 PM EST

$6 and 3 hours for Obama! (1.35 / 14)

Wow, I thought I'd be losing money more quickly than this...


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:44:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (1.45 / 11)

Are you doing some sort of give-money-and-time-to-Obama-whenever-Al egre-says-something-intellectually-disho nest thing?

Man, I'd be out of money so fast. Heck, I don't have any money to begin with. I'd have negative money.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:47:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks, alegre. Great diary! Makes a real (2.00 / 0)

difference to me that you try to keep us up to date on things Hillary.  Loved the speech and thought she was in a really good place, looking strong and at ease and loved.  I hope she goes to the convention with the fight if Mich and Florida's certified votes arean't counted.  Don't know what has happened to our sense of democracy.  If a precinct captain in Florida had taken a box of votes and put them in the dumpster, or reassigned them to some one the votes were not marked for, the hue and cry would be "election fraud".  

If Secretary of State certified a ballot and then counted and certified the vote and then someone came along who did't get any votes and demanded the votes be marked for him, what would we call that. (I understand why he wanted off the ballot since he was polling 16 and 19%.  After the others left he tried to get back on the ballot right before the deadline, but ended up not getting all the paperwork submitted in time.)

Of course this is all hypothetical, sort of like counting delegates' votes that have not been cast and won't be for four more months.  Never seen anything like it.  If a person doesn't want to count the votes, don't run for office.  Seems like a bad match.

I would think that if  you don't enjoy the town meetings or the debates or the interviews with reporters asking questions or the speech writing or developing the specifics of plans or the grand vision of policy, or the fiscal accounting or the requirements of management or the hearings or the foreign travel and interaction or the grind of the trail, the rules of the process or the competition or the voting/counting thing but you enjoy the stadium crowds, the press seduction and the Machiavellian manipulations,  maybe this is a wrong career choice.  Could think of  a couple that would suit those interests.

Sorry to write this on a comment that mentions your name.  I understand you to work very hard to be positive, and given what you have to put up with to do it, the rewards are surely not in the process!

 Thank you so much for your contribution to the people who rec you every diary.  If we did not value and benefit from your work you could not have such popular diaries. Think they missed that.

If your detractors had something useful to say they could write their own diaries and attract so many readers that they are actual contributors to the discussion.  You are more helpful to them than their behaviour warrants.
 


by itsadryheat on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:25:28 AM EST
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Re: Not about the election (none / 0)

This thread seems to support my feeling that votes in this election cycle (by bloggers anyway) are more about personal squabbles and settling scores than about defeating the Republicans in the Fall.

Thank goodness that there is a real world out there where retards who think Obama is a Muslim and dentally challenged banjo playing inbreds will carry the day.


by xdem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:53:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's about who could be a good president (none / 0)

and who couldn't


by itsadryheat on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:44:56 PM EST
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Re: Thanks, alegre. Great diary! Makes a real (2.00 / 1)

Hillary was super in her speech, she's funny, cheerful, upbeat, positive, one things that's been great about this long campaign is that real personalities are impossible to hide.  If bloggers who love to hate Al had more humanity, they'd know that her son is in kindergarten and learning because of Hillary's early intervention programs.  She has my priorities, kids, education, women's health, her domestic issues and mine are for the first time in a presidential candidate the same.  She's also prepared herself for the job, and she has the most experienced experts and professionals who are ready to work for her administration. This hate directed at Al for sticking her neck out for what she believes in mirrors what Hillary goes through. It's sad, but it's the reality for public women, even publicly recognized bloggers. What's nice is that the rumor about paid charm bloggers was obviously false, no charm here from his bloggers, or somebody's being paid too much.  


what a relief
by anna shane on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:08:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

She's better enjoy it - it will be her last one... (2.00 / 2)

A big LOSS coming up for her in Oregon (where Obama will also clinch the majority of pledged delegates) and then onto two more losses for her in the final two contests of South Dakota and Montana.

Oh.....and she still trails by about 160+ delegates.....and no more real estate to make it up.

Oh, wait.....I forgot about Puerto Rico.

It's funny that Hillary Clinton thinks Puerto Rico should count but four AMERICAN caucus states should not. Talk about disenfranchisement.


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:24 PM EST
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I Wouldn't Talk About Disenfranchisement If I Were (2.00 / 3)

you.

Two words...

Michigan.
Florida.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:06:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How Do You Propose (1.75 / 4)

we deal with states cheating up their Primary dates in the future?


by RNinNC on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:22:59 PM EST
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That depends.... (2.00 / 1)

If they vote for Clinton....she wants them seated b/c if not it would be VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT!!!!!!

If they vote for Obama....to hell with them....those states don't matter.


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:25:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I Don't Mean Any Snark (1.66 / 3)

I just haven't ever heard what Clinton's views are for controlling the Primary calendar next time around. Truly curious.


by RNinNC on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:35:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Don't Mean Any Snark (none / 0)

It will be to make the deciding metric whichever one works out best for her.


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:37:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Wouldn't Talk About Disenfranchisement If I (2.00 / 1)

Yup. Clinton worked to actively disenfranchise both, especially Michigan. Your point being?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:23:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Wouldn't Talk About Disenfranchisement If I (none / 0)

You should probably talk to Hillary about that one then, since she's one of the ones who voted to "disenfranchise" them.


Fire is the Sun unwinding from the tree's log.
by jsidlowski on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:52:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Let me ask (2.00 / 4)

has she ever targeted You?

Why did you come here? Ohhhh... I see.... just to be a pain in the A..!

okie dokie.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:53:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Wrong again. (2.00 / 3)

The pledge originated here:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/19/2 14719/143/34#34


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:00:06 PM EST
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Re: Wrong again. (2.00 / 2)

wrong again?

I don't care where your pledge came from, the fact that you came here to post a trollish in your face comment is BS.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:03:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pray tell... (2.00 / 3)

how, exactly, was I being either trollish or in anyone's face?  I said I was going to donate time and money to Obama.  The horror!  The horror!


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:09:47 PM EST
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Re: Pray tell... (1.00 / 2)

hahaha!

Is that ALL you did? My god, how blind you are.

One tiny little hint... besides what you wrote, try also looking at your sig line.

get it?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:28:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, and also... (2.00 / 7)

since when did donating to a Democratic candidate become a bad or offensive thing to do?  I seem to have missed that memo.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:01:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

oh my (2.00 / 1)

it is the fact that you came in this diary simply to post a trollish comment. An "in your face" sort of thing.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:02:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: oh my (2.00 / 2)

Can't take the heat?

You're whining all over the diary.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:03:35 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 2)

so, it's whining to point out that someone is being a troll?  get a grip.  In no way is this appropriate behavior, and it's not whining to call it out.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:07:20 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 0)

Calling out somebody as being a troll when they are not IS whining.

You need to get a grip. This is more of the same hypocritical B.S.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:11:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: oh my (2.00 / 3)

when someone, you included, enters a diary with no interest in promoting positive discussion but instead is only interested in being negative and disrupting discussion, that is trolling by definition.  You're engaging in it, as is almost every Obama supporter in this diary.  Pointing that out is not whining.

My grip is fine; I question your grip on normative behavior.  I'd bet you're a nice person in person; online, not so much.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:23:26 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 1)

Spamming. Trolling. Are these the new Clinton blogosphere
talking points?

Not agreeing and not being a cheerleader for Hillary in a pro-Hillary blog is not considered trolling. You would say that.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:53:33 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 1)

so, let's see.  Below are some of your comments in this diary.  There is nothing productive here whatsoever, and the clear intent is sarcasm and denigrating HRC and her supporters.  That is trolling.  As is your comment I am responding to.  I am not a Hillary supporter, but I call foul when I see it, and there's a lot of it to go around from Obama's supporters here.

I don't expect you to be a pro-Hillary cheer leader.  But, I expect you and others to behave like decent human beings and not assholes.

"Hillary has no such thing! Debts are overrated anyways!"

"LOL? You spam the same thing on every diary.
Your talking points are stale and soooo last week."

"Can't take the heat?
You're whining all over the diary."

"Leave the Clinton supporters alone!
You dish, but can't take it. I think you're the one who doesn't get it."


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:20:24 AM EST
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Re: oh my (1.00 / 1)

You the P.C. Police?

Those were specific comments to specific people.

Did you even see to whom I was responding and what they were posting?  Did you? No. Just take my posts out of contexts and call me out as an asshole.

It's perfectly fine though. Super Slynch is on the case! Protecting innocent Hillary supporters from the Big Bad Obamabots.

Toolbag.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:44:00 AM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 1)

in fact, I read all the threads the messages were attached to, and pretty easily reached the conclusion that you were here to disrupt.  I don't think anything was taken out of context at all.  Only one of them was a response to another poster saying something negative to you but even that was in response to another comment.

no, I'm not the PC police (what are you, some sort of little boy seeking attention through disruptive behavior?), but if you go back to the beginning of this little thread, you'll see that my initial comment was in response to one of your assholish comments about whining.  And, throughout this thread, you've been an asshole to me.  First, I'm a hypocrite.  Then I'm simply engaged in passing on HRC talking points.  Now I'm a toolbag. Toolbag?  Really showing your age there.


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:57:10 AM EST
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Re: oh my (none / 0)

Look man. Whatever. You poppsycho analisis b.s. is played out and cliche. I get it.  Your opinion and what you deduce from them are your problem. You called me out as an asshole, toolbag was the nicest term I could think of. Wouldn't want to call you an asshole, huh?

Carry on and perform your super duties. I'll call b.s. when I see it.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:32:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey, slynch, how ya' doing? (1.33 / 3)

I see the beastie boyz have stalked alegre to her latest diary to make rude noises and throw their toys.

I really appreciate alegre passing along the transcript and the note from Hillary.  We thought the speech was so good we watched it twice.  Love the way she connects with the audience and how excited they were with her promises to go on until there was "a nominee, no matter who she is".

After all the rampant rumors being churned by the opposition about concession -so arrogant -I am glad she reiterated her determination for counting all the votes for Fl and MI  Terry said in an interview that if there was not a resolution they wanted on the two states the would take it to the convention.  That is very encouraging.

I couldn't watch Senator Obama's speech - so contrived and manipulative to make up a category and then claim to have won it.  I would feel a lot better about him if he didn't act as though he could not afford to let the election run its course and let the people cast the votes before he claimed they wouuld all be for him.

What's up with that?  So unlike Democrats.  But then the party leaders in the DNC and Congress haven't seemed a lot like Democrats to me since '06.  Maybe we need some more parties, if this one doesn't act more like its values used to demand.

Oh, well , nice to see you.  


by itsadryheat on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:33:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hey, slynch, how ya' doing? (2.00 / 1)

hey, good to see you, too.  I'm fine here, but tired of listening to all the crap for one night.  They seem to be out in full force tonight.

I listened to Obama's speech; it actually wasn't so bad.  I really think that if his supporters on this site were to follow his example, it'd be a much better approach to trying to achieve "unity."  Not saying I like him, but he's not nearly as bad as his supporters.


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:59:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hey, slynch, how ya' doing? (none / 0)

I'd appreciate your expanding on one of your statements, if you don't mind.  You write that Obama was "contrived and manipulative to make up a category and then claim to have won it"; are you talking about the pledged delegates?  If so, what do you mean that he "made it up"?  I'm serious--I don't understand.  Or perhaps I'm missing something, and you're talking about something completely different.  Would you please explain?

Also, my two cents' about Obama "claiming victory": I think it's virtually universal for politicians to seek to make claims of inevitability or "certain victory" whenever they can.  And if one candidate has amassed an insuperable total, then it's a fact that the remaining contests lose significance.  I'm not saying that Obama has already secured the nomination; he hasn't.  But many Democrats have declared their belief that the winner of the pledged delegate vote deserves to be the nominee, and since Obama secured that majority last night, in the minds of many he is the presumptive nominee.  No voters are being disenfranchised, but (for folks who like applying sports metaphors to politics) this isn't like a football game in the fourth quarter, where it's possible to score enough points to come from behind.  It's more like the final few frames of a bowling match or match-play golf, where one person is too far behind to make up the difference.


by deminva on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:01:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: oh my (2.00 / 5)

And you are being condescending. This is intimidation, plain and simple, designed to make Alegre pause when considering whether or not to write another diary.


by Falsehood on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:07:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not at all. (none / 0)

I actually like reading alegre's diaries, although I think she should limit herself to one or two a day so that other worthy diarists can have their voices heard, too.  I'd be donating either way, this just limits my spending somewhat.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:11:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Not at all. (2.00 / 2)

That reasoning neglects your choice to publically track your donations.

Donate however you want (and please do, I have), but publishing the reason when its this one in intimidation in my book.


by Falsehood on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:20:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How is it intimidation... (2.00 / 1)

to offer to donate to a Democrat?  I thought that was the goal--getting Democrats elected?


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:24:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How is it intimidation... (2.00 / 1)

I have no problems with your donation.

I have a problem when you publicly tie that donation to Alegre publishing ANY diary, such that you put her in a position when posting anything will feel like she's working against her candidate in some way.

My question to you is:
Why are you publicly tracking this?


by Falsehood on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:39:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Why not? (2.00 / 1)

Grlpatriot suggested it, actually, and alegre had no problem with it.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:02:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Be careful with that... (none / 0)

Legally, you can only contribute $2300 per cycle, and Alegre posts a lot.  I mean A LOT!!!


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:17:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Coming from An Obama Fan (2.00 / 3)

that means a lot.

Thanks Falsehood :o)

Not to worry though - I'm not easily intimidated and petty spamming won't keep me from posting diaries.

I have a feeling that if they keep up this childish behavior, we won't be seeing them around after this.

One more thing - they can donate a couple bucks if they want but I'll probably help raise a few hundred bucks or more from the funding pitch in tonight's diary.  


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:12:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Coming from An Obama Fan (2.00 / 2)

I doubt ANYONE easily intimidated can stay on MyDD for extended amounts. It took me all of 2 days to get troll rated for the first time, I think.

Re: The Fundraising, that's one reason why I want you firmly behind Obama should this thing end in his favor.

I'd make some criticism of your assertion that she has the popular vote lead, but Oregon ain't in yet.

However, I would love to hear just how you justify denying any Obama votes to Michigan. And if your reason is that he pulled his name off the ballot, that doesn't quite convince me.


by Falsehood on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:28:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

bullshit (1.25 / 4)

intimidation my ass.

If an alcoholic is going to lose his job if he gets wasted at the Christmas party is it intimidation to warn him not to drink?

If I ask alegre how she sleeps at night posting this tripe hoping to cause her to reflect and avoid doing further damage by writing another diary, am I trying to intimidate her?

Garbage.


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:50:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You probably don't sleep - thinking of (2.00 / 1)

allegre all the time, right little feller?


by durendal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:14:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bullshit (2.00 / 2)

Attacking her work on its substance is entirely different then saying one will do something just because she posts a diary without regard to its content.

I wouldn't be as entirely opposed to a running tally of untruths with a statement of donation per unfair attack/whatever.

That's not what this is - this is to prevent any postings whatsoever.


by Falsehood on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:14:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bullshit (none / 0)

umm, what about alegre threatening banning and reporting?

Instead of these reaches for intimidation, what about the overt stuff?


by ameridad on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:19:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bullshit (2.00 / 2)

She made a veiled prediction, and a reference to contacting the admins over these comments.

You're right - that is intimidation, but I have no problem with her pushing back on someone else's attempts to intimidate her into not posting diaries.

If she predicts I'll be banned for critiquing her remarks, then I would have a problem with that. I don't think the donation "threat" has substance, and  I'm less inclined to defend it.

Also, Alegre is referring specifically to these comments. It'd be different if she told the commenter to avoid her diaries in the future for risk of banning.


by Falsehood on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:45:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Good thing that there is no (2.00 / 1)

donation "threat" then.

Goodnight.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:05:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good thing that there is no (none / 0)

I use that word because you do threaten an action hostile to Alegre's wishes - to have Clinton as the nominee.


by Falsehood on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oooo......a few hundred bucks!!!! (none / 0)

Wow....that'll go a LONG way to wiping out that $20 million in debt!

I think I'll go donate my entire stimulus check I got in the mail yesterday to Obama and triple whatever you raise tonight single-handedly.


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:28:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Spiff (2.00 / 2)

You complimented me for a positive diary last night.

I post another positive diary tonight and these jerks trash it.

And now you're going after someone for pointing out the spamming, and accusing us of WHINING?

WTF?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:27:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

lying is never positive (none / 0)

trying to deceive readers by claiming Hillary is leading the popular vote without mentioning the page long caveats is not positive.


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:52:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spiff (2.00 / 2)

I also complimented this diary as well. I have no problems with the diary. I do have a problem with somebody coming on to the blog with the sole purpose of calling out Obama supporters as trolls and spammers when they are doing no such thing. I never accused you of whining. I directly replied to a commenter who is going after Obama supporters with the same line in various instances.

It goes both ways, you can look up the most positive pro-Obama diaries and the "usual suspects" are filling it up with spam and nonsense. I have trouble with hipocrisy of many Clintons supporters when it comes to dishing it and not being able to take the heat. Unity goes both ways.

I am not (nor was I ever) accusing you of whining. If you took offense I apologize. I think it's better to hide rate and move on instead of making a spectacle and cluttering the diary even further. That's why I replied to a specific commenter.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:05:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh, no. (2.00 / 1)

I came into this diary to read it.  I was going to congratulate alegre on her candidate's Kentucky win (and a very good victory speech), but I haven't exactly had a chance yet since I have to keep responding to your inanities first.

So, if you'll excuse me, I'll be right back.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:15:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

whatever (none / 0)

good job.... hm.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:20:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Uh, no. (2.00 / 2)

your very first comment in this diary shows that the statement that you came in here to read it and congratulate alegre is a disingenuous one.  If that's what you intended to do, you could have done it in your first post.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:26:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmm. (2.00 / 1)

You do have a point.  Next time I'll post the plaudits right off the bat, and just update the sig without further comment.  Mmkay?


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:39:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm. (2.00 / 1)

fair enough.  

Actually, I don't have a problem with the sig line myself.  Whatever motivates funding for a democratic candidate, I'm ok with.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:49:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Excellent. (2.00 / 1)

I'd go back and delete that first comment, but I can't.  Feel free to hide it into oblivion.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:52:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Excellent. (none / 0)

nah. your post wasn't that bad, especially relative to others'


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:06:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Given Your Very First Comment Here (2.00 / 3)

you'll excuse me if I don't believe you here.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:28:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh noes! (2.00 / 2)

Alegre doesn't believe me, oh whatever shall I do?

The ironic thing is, it was one of your diaries that convinced me to join MyDD in the first place.  But of course, you don't believe me on that, either.  Ah, well.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:37:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh noes! (2.00 / 1)

It's sad you've dissolved into such petty hatred then. I haven't given Hillary a dime this primary season but after seeing this immature behavior, I have been convinced to give to her an undisclosed sum which will cancel out your "$X, X hours".


by Beet on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:34:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (2.00 / 3)

Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Alegre is a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 4)

So what's your point?  Give to Obama, if you want.  But why spam a pro-Hillary diary; it just looks rude.  


by izarradar on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:19:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (2.00 / 2)

what do you think you are accomplishing by doing this?

you and the poster below are not doing anything positive for your candidate, to this diary or to yourselves.  no where did the author make mention of BO, save for where he is mentioned by HRC in her speech.

BO clearly knows he has a problem with HRC's supporters and this is why he is mending fences. the exit polls for kentucky should scare you, as i would suspect they scare your candidate.  so please stop as you words do matter and they are turning alot of people off.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that word I reach for my feather Boa!" -- Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:25:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (2.00 / 3)

Elsinora,

May I be so bold to suggest that your comments and signature make you a rather poor representative of the Obama campaign?  I can't speak for others, but when I read your comment and signature, it reinforces a very negative feeling for on anything at all related to Obama.


by markjay on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:33:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (none / 0)

You are quite simply a troll.


by optimisticBoy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:02:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 4)

Woot! She's a lifelong champion of progressive causes, and17 million people know that!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:46:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely! Let's not forget these seventeen million are the seventeen million that count, and not the other seventeen million.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (1.00 / 9)

Yes, it's over for Obama. He needs to get out now, and return to what he's good at-- pontificating and bloviating to a bunch of lawyers at some ivory tower law school.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:58:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

U Chicago's not an Ivy. (2.00 / 3)

Interesting anti-intellectual vibe there, though. Just the kind of thing I'd read at FR.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:00:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sad really (1.00 / 5)

KnowVox knows he has totally ruined this username's credibility so he is just bitter.

You can expect him to say anything until he is finally banned.

Lucky for him (unlike jermoe) he picked sides, engaged in despicable smears, lies, spin, and repugnance under a pseudonym.

It must suck to go 'all in' when you can't see your cards, have been assured they are aces, but wind up with a couple of deuces.


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: U Chicago's not an Ivy. (none / 0)

he didn't say Ivy.  he said "ivory"


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: U Chicago's not an Ivy. (2.00 / 1)

Ivory tower is a common reference for Ivy League schools and their equivalents (Stanford, William & Mary, UC Berkeley, etc.)


by shalca on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:31:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: U Chicago's not an Ivy. (none / 0)

Ivory Tower is a reference to ALL Universities and Colleges.


by hopeful on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:48:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So he/she's not anti-Ivy League (none / 0)

he/she is anti higher ed. Well, that clears that up.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:20:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

Alegre - did she announce how much debt she currently has as well?

I don't see how she is the "best positioned" to win in the general if she is $20+ million in debt while Obama is $50 miillion in the black.

Not that I think you will actually bother to answer my question......


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:54:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 1)

Hillary has no such thing! Debts are overrated anyways!


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:00:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

10hrs on a tuesday (1.25 / 4)

What do you do for a living that you can spend so much time volunteering? (I thought, propably wrongly, I read you were a single working mom.)

And even after tonight, hillary is only ahead in popular vote if you give Obama zero votes in MI, and ignore the votes in several caucus states.

Yet I've read over a million words of yours decrying  the disenfranchisement of democratic voters.

alegre, how do you sleep at night knowing you are trying to deceive so many of your fellow progressives?


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:01:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 10hrs on a tuesday (2.00 / 2)

She's living paycheck to paycheck, too, in that suburbian DC "ghetto", dontchaknow.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:02:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

here is my problem (none / 0)

Alegre is a bundler.

There is absolutly no challenging that.

How is it that people are allowed to bundle huge sums of money for a candidate without knowing their name?

Its a total scam. alegre is asking clinton questions  in a public conference call, is lobbing softballs at the candidate(gannon anyone?)while raising thousands, and thousands of dollars, above her legal donor limit, which none of us can check out because we have no idea who she is.

Does Obama have anonymous online bundlers? Probably. I seem to remember seeing an iceburgslim link to an Obama donataion page.

The campaigns I'm sure know who these people are but does the public not have a right to know?


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:17:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That is complete and utter BS and (none / 0)

you have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever clicked on alegre's "donate to Hillary" link. If you would have bothered you would see it takes you to Hillary's website and they ask for your - wait for it - your NAME and ADDRESS. When I donate through alegre's link it is money that I, MYSELF, donate to Hillary under MY name. Alegre gets recognition for helping to raise the money but, sheesh, get a grip...

Alegre is a bundler.
There is absolutly no challenging that. How is it that people are allowed to bundle huge sums of money for a candidate without knowing their name? Its a total scam.

And this? WTF?

alegre is asking clinton questions  in a public conference call, is lobbing softballs at the candidate(gannon anyone?)while raising thousands, and thousands of dollars, above her legal donor limit, which none of us can check out because we have no idea who she is.

Do you just make shit up to see how it sounds when you write it?


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:18:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That is complete and utter BS and (none / 0)

https:/contribute.hillaryclinton.com/fo rm.html?sc=ac0&rc=E5W3

https:/contribute.hillaryclinton.com/fo rm.html?sc=2465

Lets play a game....

Guess which link alegre gives you to donate, and guess which is the donate page linked from Hillary's home page.

hmm?

I never claimed the donors didn't give their name. And I assume Hillary's campaign knows alegre's name.

You need to reread my post after you realize from the two links above that alegre is bundling traceable donations to hillary.


by ameridad on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:28:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 10hrs on a tuesday (2.00 / 0)

actually, she's ahead if you count MI and FL and you count the caucus states.  She's only behind if you don't count MI and FL.  So, no one is being disenfranchised--everyone who voted is being counted.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:15:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

link ? n/t (none / 0)


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:35:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: link ? n/t (none / 0)

yeah, yeah. this counts tonights kentucky vote, and it looks like they're updating for oregon as well.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/democratic_vote_count.htm l


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:45:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: link ? n/t (none / 0)

tonight's.  busy programming and obviously can't program and type words at the same time.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:46:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: link ? (none / 0)

Yet no votes for Obama in that MI tally. That's bogus, as even Jerome admits that the other votes were obviously for Obama. Nice try, tho.
GeauxBama!
by DailyKingFish on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: link ? (2.00 / 0)

I'm not "trying" anything, so don't condescend to me.  It's not Clinton's fault that Obama removed his name from the ballot.  The fact is, if you count all votes cast for the candidates they were, in fact, cast for, Clinton is ahead.  There's no spin or complicated math involved in that argument.


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:03:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 10hrs on a tuesday (2.00 / 3)

I don't know what Alegre does for a living, but I sure admire the hard work she puts in for her candidate (and mine).  What do you and other Obama supporters think you are going to achieve by trying to attack her personally and tear her down?  Why don't you spend your time and effort working positively on behalf of your own candidate instead?  What do YOU do for a living that give you time to spend time trolling here?


by markjay on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:38:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 10hrs on a tuesday (2.00 / 1)

Excellent points, Mark. As usual.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:09:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 3)

THANK YOU, Alegre, for all of your hard work.


by susanhu on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Stunning and historic (2.00 / 2)

A terrific victory and she is showing her strength in key  parts of the country the dems need to win the White House.  She is giving the supers something to ponder: the popular vote.

I liked her tribute to Ted Kennedy very much, acknowledging the leadership he has shown and shared with many.

And I liked her message to us supporters...it is gratitude as she knows we are with her!  


by 4justice on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:21:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 2)

And you too, alegre. Thanks for posting this and a huge hat tip for your hard work. You're  gem and then some. You're aces in my book.


by durendal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:50:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Alegre! (none / 0)

For showing your graciousness and good sportspersonship by, once again, not lowering yourself to congratulate the Obama campaign for their win in Oregon.

In fact, so far I can't find a single Hillary supporter on MyDD congratulating Obama on his Oregon win.

Should I be surprised?


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:52:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Many sore winners 2nite a good nite for HRC (2.00 / 1)

She's winning and they are scared! Woohoo!

The night he makes his "victory" speech sure brought a lot of Obama meanies into this diary tonight. Never seen them this mean!


by catfish1 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:05:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

And HUGE setback for democrats.  To vote for Senator Clinton now is to vote for McCain.  As a fan of Hillary Clinton, I have to say it's time for her (AND YOU) to hang it up for the good of the party.  We can't afford Pres. McCain, and he's the only one you're helping!


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:29:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

3rd alegre Diary in 24.04 Hours (1.00 / 1)

The MyDD guide lines are "Post only 1-2 diaries per day." I would interpret that to mean 1.5 average per day for a prolific poster, otherwise the guidelines would say 2 diaries per day.

That would mean alegre has used up her diary allowance until Wed 10:42 PM EST.


by ImpeachBushCheney on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:19:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

Seriously Alegre, though you may be 100% positive in this diary, your candidate's not. She's still lying, exaggerating and quoting made-up statistics to support her soon to be officially failed candidacy. IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.


by mcthatch37 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:46:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Please Explain Your Popular Vote Metric (none / 0)

Alegre:

Many members of our community value your diaries, but as you may know, a growing number have voiced dissatisfaction with your seeming reluctance to discuss or defend the merits of statements you make in your diaries.  With that in mind, I'd like to know more about the popular vote metric you cite in this diary.  My fear is that it's a "black-box" metric, with no clear understanding into the numbers that feed into it or the logic behind it.  Given that you and the Clinton campaign consider the popular vote an important consideration (perhaps the most important consideration for undecided superdelegates), will you please explain the methodology behind your claim that Clinton has received more votes than Obama (or anyone else)?  Specifically:

(1) Are you counting every primary and caucus in this tally?
(2) If not, which state or states aren't you including, and why aren't you including them?
(3) Are you including the unsanctioned primaries in MI and FL?
(4) If so, why do you think it fair to do so?  Thinking specifically about Senator Clinton's statement last October that the MI primary would not count, why do you and the Clinton campaign now argue that it does in fact count? (only answer this one if you are counting MI votes, of course!)  
(5) Also, if you're counting MI, are you giving Obama the uncommitted votes, or are you giving him zero votes?  If the latter, please explain how you consider this fair.
(6) More generally, please explain why you consider the popular vote a fair metric. (a) Do you assert that it fairly represents caucus states? (For example, do you think it fair that Clinton's popular vote advantage from West Virginia should outweigh Obama's advantage out of Minnesota by a huge factor?) (b) Do you believe it fairly captures the results from Texas, where Clinton won the primary but Obama won the caucus and the overall pledged delegate count?
(c) Do you believe that the results this year would have been the same if candidates and voters had known up front that total votes, not delegates, would decide the nomination?  That is, would the candidates have campaigned the same ways, in the same places?  Or would they have ignored small states and camped out in California?  Would voters have behaved differently in states where one candidate was greatly favored over the other?

(7) Do you believe the delegate apportionment system is unfair?  Is that why you consider the popular vote total important?  Do you consider one more important than the other?  If so, why?

(8) My sense is that very few Democratic leaders are taking the popular vote metric seriously.  Do you disagree?  If so, do you have a sense of what proportion of our party's leadership consider the popular vote metric as important as --or more important than--the pledged delegate tally?

Thank you in advance for your response!


by deminva on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:34:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (1.80 / 5)

Now if we thought she was finished, do you honestly think we'd have ponied up all that money?

Yes?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:46:00 PM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 1)

lol


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:51:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Looking deeper at Clinton's FEC numbers. (none / 0)

According to analysis by the LA Times, Clinton's campaign debt has risen to a remarkable $31 million, including $9.5 million in new unpaid debts in April.

How long does a debt have to remain unpaid before it turns into an in-kind donation to the campaign?


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:40:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 1)

A good win for Clinton in KY tonight; but a clinch by Obama of the nomination.


by Lawyerish on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:46:38 PM EST

This is groundhog day. (2.00 / 0)

Next week, Obama and you will claim that you have never said that he has the nomination, and that you have never implied that she should quit.

Oh, what fun life is.  


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is groundhog day. (2.00 / 1)

I said he had the nomination on February 6th.

She can play as long as she likes, it doesn't change how things are going to end.


by Lawyerish on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:52:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

And you were correct. (2.00 / 1)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:58:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And you were correct. (2.00 / 2)

So where's the "mission accomplished" speech? LOL


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:00:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And you were correct. (2.00 / 2)

LOL? You spam the same thing on every diary.

Your talking points are stale and soooo last week.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:02:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: And you were correct. (2.00 / 1)

Oh, don't worry, it'll come soon, with Clinton's firm support. I'll be sure to relay the details to you.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:03:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's a dim response even by knowvox standards. (none / 0)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:52:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Congrats to her. (1.33 / 3)

Unfortunately, there are no more "hard-working-whites-who-won't-vote-for- the-black-guy"-states. Besides that, all your delegates belong to Obama.

Hopefully someone passes the word to her. We have a nominee.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:46:41 PM EST

Re: Congrats to her. (2.00 / 2)

Yeah, insult the voters! That strategy should work brilliantly for GE.


I have yet to see what [Obama] has done to take the highest office in the land. He is no Martin Luther King. --Helen Thomas
by ghost 2 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congrats to her. (2.00 / 1)

20% in Kentucky said they based their vote on race. 40% of Clinton voters said they would not vote for Obama in the GE.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:53:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congrats to her. (2.00 / 0)

Actually 2/3rds of KY voters said they wouldn't vote for Obama in the GE. Hello Houston? Obama has a problem....

"Two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's supporters in Kentucky say they would vote Republican or not vote at all rather than for Barack Obama, exit polls show.

Forty-one percent of Clinton supporters said they'd cast their vote for John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and 23 percent said they would not vote at all.

Just 33 percent said they would back Obama in the general election, according to the polls.

Those numbers are even worse for Obama than in West Virginia one week ago, where 36 percent of Clinton voters said they would back him in the
fall...." --CNN.com



I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:04:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's not Obama's problem (none / 0)

any more than it's Hillary's problem when bigots won't vote for her on account of her gender.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:06:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congrats to her. (2.00 / 2)

Yeah... somehow all those "hard working whites who won't vote for the black guy" happen to live in the Appalachian area.

I guess Obama doesn't have as much a "white" problem as he has an "Appalachia" problem.  Or, as someone elsewhere put it, Appalachia has an Obama problem.


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by mistersite on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:51:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well, I just had a look (none / 0)

at the exit polls (CNN)  for all of the states you listed above, and I've come to the conclusion that you just made a bunch of shit up to suit your argument (certainly in regards to CA, AZ, NM). Very few of the exits even note economic status, so I'd like to know how you're extrapolating which whites are working class and which aren't.

Prove me wrong by providing links to the source for your numbers on white working class voters in non-Appalachian states, please.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:31:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congrats to her. (none / 0)

It's all your delegates are belong to Obama.

Your grammar am wrong. :(


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:51:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Congrats to her. (none / 0)

rude much?


by alyssa chaos on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:19:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Sorry Alegre (none / 0)

Congrats on Kentucky, but I think I'll wait for official fundraising numbers before believing this preliminary figure.  After all the last time she raised a significant amount of cash much of it came in the form of a loan from personal funds to her campaign.  Smoke and mirrors, no thanks.


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by LtWorf on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:48:17 PM EST

Update (2.00 / 3)

* UPDATE * In a statement, campaign says that the $22 million is in addition to the $5 million Clinton loaned her campaign in April.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 008/05/20/1046356.aspx


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:27:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The problem is (none / 0)

Chuck Todd obviously asked the wrong question. Clinton loaned herself $6.4 million in April, therefore your link, via Todd's investigation, provides absolutely zero in the way of clarity. I suspect her campaign used his mistaken question to get around giving a straight answer about the $6.4 million.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:36:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 1)

>>Hillary's now wracked up more votes than any other Democrat - ever.  

at least qualify this as a primary statistic.

also, i'd be interested to hear your GE strategy if Clinton gets the nomination at the convention and has only about 8 weeks to campaign.  Please and thanks!


by pholkhero on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:49:06 PM EST

Telling the truth about the primary statistic... (none / 0)

... would make it less impressive to the rubes she's trying to reach.

It's behavior on the same level with McCain pretending that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has something to do with formulating Iranian foreign policy.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:07:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Here's a better link... (none / 0)

... for that McCain story.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:09:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 2)

Congrats to Senator Clinton for KY!

And congrats to Senator Obama for winning a majority of pledged delegates!


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:49:50 PM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! ... (2.00 / 4)

Congratulations on the win in Kentucky.  It sounds like you (personally) worked your ass off for it.

I look at these financials and I can't help but think that McCain is sunk come November.


Proud member of the Wikipedia Generation of American politics
by BishopRook on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:06 PM EST

$22 million... (1.50 / 2)

That's enough to pay off her debt.  I hope she didn't expend too much money on advertising.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:46 PM EST

Wolfson says (none / 0)

that doesn't include the $6.4 million she loaned herself. Coupled with the $19.5 million in debt the FEC filing lists, that means she could have anywhere between $25.9 million and $31.9 million in debt right now.

I congratulate her on her Kentucky win, but it's time to seriously look at what those wins are costing her campaign right now.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:55:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Created? (none / 0)

He didn't "create" his dark skin or natural academic tendencies.

It isn't a "racist" vote, and Obama never claimed that it was.  Slicing and dicing by race is Hillary's thing, with the "hard working Americans, white Americans" bit.

No, what it is is the low education white vote that Obama has trouble with.  You see it in Mississippi and Alabama... in any state with low educational standards, Obama has trouble winning the white voters.  Are they racist?  Well, some are, if you look at the exit polling... they admit to it.  Perhaps some are but don't admit to it.  

But the key problem is that Obama is a really smart guy who talks like a college professor, and people who never went to college probably resent being talked to like that.  They see it as condescending... that's probably part of the reason they never went to post-secondary in the first place.

In any case, that's a problem that can be addressed in the general election; of course it will be easier if the Clintons sign on full-force to be part of the solution and be his surrogates in these areas.  That's up to them, though.  Personally I think they want a Democrat in the White House badly enough to work for it even if she's not the nominee.


You can't stop the signal.

President "That One"

by Dracomicron on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:10:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ahem. (none / 0)

From the CNN exit polls in OR:

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And please do me a huge favor and point me to where he called anyone "racists".

...

That's what I thought.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:13:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Congrats, JJ (none / 0)

I just noticed that you successfully diverted from my point, which had nothing to do with Obama's money. It had to do with Hillary's.

You got me there. I fell right into your intellectually dishonest trap.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:16:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Not any more. The debt is now $31 million. (none / 0)

She added $9.5 million in unpaid vendor debt in April alone.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:11:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 2)

Nice positive diary.


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:52:03 PM EST

Re: Our nominee (2.00 / 4)

"That's why I'm going to keep making our case until we have a nominee, whoever she may be." -- Hillary Clinton

You go, girl!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:52:23 PM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 2)

Thank you alegre for being one of the most intelligent, open-minded diarists here. Go Hillary!!!!


by Ignored and Disgusted on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:54:01 PM EST

Re: Thank You Alegre! (2.00 / 1)

Not to mention hard-working and articulate!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:26:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nice Hillary Quote from the speech (2.00 / 2)

An attempt to mend fences tonite:

"We do see eye-to-eye when it comes to uniting our party to elect a Democratic president in the fall."

Congrats to Hillary on winning KY and Obama on winning Oregon and th majority of pledged delegates!


by optimusprime on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:57:06 PM EST

To all of you barack supporters (1.83 / 6)

thanks for trolling.

I am glad to see all of the Hope, Unity and Change warm and fuzzies!

Some of you O supporters are just....


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:58:56 PM EST

Re: To all of you barack supporters (none / 0)

Guilt card? Nah! You Hillary supporters wouldn't do that!


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:01:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (2.00 / 2)

Guilt card?

No... it is called... TRY actually believing in the crap you spew.

It really amazes me how so many of you still attack Hillary and her supporters when you feel that you have this thing in the bag. Why is that?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:05:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (1.12 / 8)

Don't ask. They just sore losers who know they don't have it in the bag, but want to proclaim "mission accomplished" anyway.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:29:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (2.00 / 1)

No content, stereotyping personal attack on all Obama supporters.

Adds nothing to the discussion, only lowers the level of discourse.


by luckymortal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:56:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (none / 0)

Sorry, I'm not going to let Alegre's brand of intellectual dishonesty, for example, go unchallenged. Hey, I stood up for Senator Clinton where it counted, too, in the real world. When I was canvassing for Senator Obama, someone quipped they'd never support Senator Clinton since she wanted to throw anyone without health insurance in jail. I corrected them, to their slight disdain.

However, I watched Clinton supporters gleefully distort the bitter comment and brag about calling/spreading that far and wide.

So don't give me that, oh, woe is me, be nice line. As ye sew, so shall ye reap. Not that it makes it right; but I ain't gonna bend over and let the less scrupulous of your comrades have a free reign.

You, however, and many other Clinton supporters, don't share in this intellectual dishonesty, and it's people like you I am truly sorry for, and will be the ones who keep me from voting against Clinton if she becomes the nominee.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:29:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The only people who won't (none / 0)

be forced to buy insurance under the Clinton plan are those who can't afford it, but we haven't heard her ideas on means testing yet. If you can afford it, but refuse to purchase insurance, she has talked about enforcement measures, touching on wage garnishment. So, yes, we would be forced to buy insurance.

Let me say that I don't think it's necessarily a horrible thing that this would be the case, but it is, indeed, the case.

I'm personally for single-payer, which would also require everyone to pay toward insurance, but with the government at the bargaining table, the costs would no doubt be far lower than anything that result from either Clinton's or Obama's plans.

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) on Sunday during an appearance on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos" discussed her proposal to require all U.S. residents to obtain health insurance and "inched closer ... to explaining how she would enforce" the requirement but "declined to specify -- as she has throughout the campaign -- how she would penalize those who refuse," the New York Times reports. Asked whether she would garnish wages to enforce the mandate, Clinton said that "we will have an enforcement mechanism, whether it's that or it's some other mechanism through the tax system or automatic enrollments" (Sack, New York Times, 2/4). Clinton explained she believes "there are a number of mechanisms" that could work including "going after people's wages." Clinton also said that the enforcement mechanism would apply only to residents who can afford health insurance but refuse to purchase coverage, adding that, with her proposals for subsidies, "it will be affordable for everyone" (Babington, AP/Houston Chronicle, 2/3).


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:56:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (2.00 / 1)

Can you look up where I attacked Hillary?

Can you look up this crap I spew? Please?

No, you can't. Because I don't engage in those types of posts.

I am specifically replying to you. Nobody else but you.

Not Hillary. Not alegre. Not her supporters. You, kevin22262.

You came on this blog to whine. If you don't like a comment hide rate or troll and move on. I don't understand why you would post the same thing over and over again.

The guilt card and the victim card is very last week kev.

Thank you for playing!


Yawn.
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:17:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (none / 0)

I came to whine? FU.

I saw what SOME of you were doing to this diary and to Alegre. It is BS.

So... why don't You stop your whining and move along. OK?

And yes... I will throw the "Unity, Hope and Change" in the face of Obama supporters who are hypocrites. If you are going to "spew" the Obama meme about hope unity change, then I expect that you would TRY and follow it... live it. If not, then I will say something. You want to call that a "guilt card", then go ahead.

okie dokie?


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:23:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (none / 0)

If you feel "guilty" for being a hypocrite...


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:25:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (1.00 / 1)

No content, just attacking others.  Troll rated.


McCain: because not everyone's ready to say goodbye to W yet!
by Matt Smith on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:43:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: To all of you barack supporters (none / 0)

Who did I attack? Try looking at the "attacks" on alegre. Did you troll rate those? I bet not.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:26:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama on Clinton (2.00 / 5)

"The road here has been long, and that is partly because we've traveled it with one of the most formidable candidates to ever run for this office. In her thirty-five years of public service, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has never given up on her fight for the American people, and tonight I congratulate her on her victory in Kentucky. We have had our disagreements during this campaign, but we all admire her courage, her commitment and her perseverance. No matter how this primary ends, Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age."
  - Senator Obama in Iowa tonight
We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:59:39 PM EST

Re: Obama on Clinton (2.00 / 2)

I heard that.  That was very nice of him to say.  It'd be nice if his supporters on this site would heed his words and learn a little grace.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:19:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama on Clinton (1.00 / 1)

The problem is, they DO heed his words, the words of his wife, and the words of his advisors.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:34:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama on Clinton (none / 0)

That's rather vague. What, in particular, do you disagree with that Obama says?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:49:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank You Kentucky and Oregon! (2.00 / 5)

Go Hillary!

Contribution Details
Date:     May 20, 2008 11:03 PM EDT
Amount:    $100.00


by grlpatriot on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:06:13 PM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky and Oregon! (2.00 / 4)

Kudos to you and your support- seriously, I mean it. If I could afford to give more to Obama, I would. This just goes to show the Republicans don't stand a chance in November.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:26:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey those fundrasing numbers ain't bad (2.00 / 3)

They are better than the leader of the underpants gnomes troller's John McCain.  

Also congrats to her on her big KY win, I was a bit surprised by KY-05 myself (Obama got held to single digits there).  I also had thought that some of the counties by TN in the SW (in KY-01) would be better for Obama as they had over 25% African American population.

As an Obama supporter I can at least take some solace in the fact that he managed to win a county or two in KY.

(all of these abbreviations of Kentucky have me thinking of KY jelly as I just finished two days of Sexuality...)


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:19:12 PM EST

mojo for the KY jelly.......... ;-] (2.00 / 1)


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:33:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Cut the leads in popular votes crap (2.00 / 1)

  1. The caucuses represented voters which the Clinton camp has chosen to ignore.
  2. MI was not a sanctioned primary and Obama took his name off the ballot after Hillary pledged to as well, only she went back on her word. The votes for uncommitted count for something.
  3. OR returns haven't come in yet and you know Hillary will get her but kicked there.

We shall overcome. Yes we can.
by Sam Wise Gingy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:20:31 PM EST

I agree. Obama will and should win. (none / 0)

And all of the people who voted for him can eat crow for their foolishness in November.


by lombard on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:17:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

More prescience from the peanut gallery. (none / 0)

Meh.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:02:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: spare us the sanctimonius bullshit, ok? (2.00 / 0)

Why do you hate democracy? I could understand it if she had Edwards/Huckabee numbers but this is definiltely not the case. And you know better. If not, oh well....


by durendal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:27:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

JJ, you DO rely on (none / 0)

a lot of specious sourcing to prove...I was going to say "your point," but I think I mean "nothing."


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:06:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Congratulations to Sen. Clinton (2.00 / 2)

on her big win in Kentucky!  And I must say, Sen. Clinton has become much better at giving speeches since January--her victory speech tonight was extremely well done (although I personally disagree with her popular vote metric).  She really does seem to have found her voice as the primary season has gone on...it's been fun to watch both candidates evolve over time, but the change in Clinton in particular has been striking.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:21:41 PM EST

She's always been good (2.00 / 0)

Even better in debates.

Obama supporters just refused to listen to her because she voted for the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!!!! Authorization.

Funny how they never held those votes against Kerry or Edwards.


by lombard on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:16:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She's always been good (none / 0)

Actually, I did.

I was calling out Edwards supporters from the beginning about how he voted for the war and how his voting record and his campaign in 2004 were a lot more conservative than what he said in 2008.

I would've liked Edwards a lot in 2008, if he didn't have that pesky problem with history and facts...


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:22:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

OK, at least you're consistent (none / 0)


by lombard on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:26:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 3)

(CNN) -- Even in a state Hillary Clinton appears to have won by 35 points, a majority of Kentucky voters say the New York senator attacked Barack Obama unfairly.

According to the exit polls, 54 percent of voters said Clinton launched unfair attacks on Obama, though that didn't seem to deter voters there from supporting Clinton -- 55 percent of those who said Clinton attacked unfairly still voted for the New York senator.

Clinton faced a similar statistic in West Virginia last week. There she won by 41 points, but nearly 60 percent of voters said she made unfair attacks against the Illinois senator.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:25:16 PM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 5)

Alegre,

Thank you for all your hard work today and for topping it off with a very positive diary about Hillary!!

To those Obama supporters who have chosen to be gracious in support of your candidate--thank you too.

To those Obama supporters who like to gang up in pro-Hillary diaries and attack Hillary and attack the diarist, I guess John McCain will have to thank you for that, as you are doing everything in your power to drive Hillary supporters into his camp.


by markjay on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:42:16 PM EST

Just wanted to point out... (2.00 / 2)

...that Obama won more votes than McCain in Kentucky. (209K vs 142K)


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:46:26 PM EST

Re: Just wanted to point out... (none / 0)

HAHAHAHA that's awesome!  Be better to hear you say that in November, but hey, I'll take what I can get.


John McCain wants to stay in Iraq.
by ihaveseenenough on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:52:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky (2.00 / 0)

Let's go on to Puerto Rico and win big there. Then let's pull off an upset in South Dakota and Montana.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:49:08 PM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky (none / 0)

And still lose the nomination.  Do you WANT McCain to win in november?!


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:24:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 3)

Good diary, Alegre.  As long as you don't post dishonest hit pieces against Obama, I am totally supportive of these diaries.  Nice job by you guys in Kentucky.


by Pat Flatley on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:55:49 PM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 1)

I agree, this is a wholly respectable diary that deserves to be placed on the Rec List.

Congratulations, Hillary, on your win in Kentucky.


by freeing zeus on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:10:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I would just like to point out... (2.00 / 3)

...that Obama got more votes than McCain in Kentucky.

Just sayin'


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:10:56 AM EST

Re: I would just like to point out... (none / 0)

And that's good. Damned good. And if you look at Hill and Barack in TX - they got three million Dems to come out. That's amazing.


by durendal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:23:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Awesome diary. Your commitment is so admirable (2.00 / 2)

Alegre. Like Hillary says, when people pick on you with such force, it can be a compliment.

Kentucky rocks! It's a pretty state too, and fairly progressive.


by catfish1 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:13:11 AM EST

Re: Awesome diary. Your commitment is so admirable (none / 0)

1 out of 5 DEMOCRATS admitting to exit pollsters that they voted against Obama only because he's black?  And think of the numbers who wouldn't overtly admit it! That's not progressive.


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:22:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Awesome diary. Your commitment is so admirable (none / 0)

I like how you aspire to our higher angels.


by durendal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:29:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You can feel it slipping away. Racism! (none / 0)

Racism! Not working so good anymore.


by catfish1 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:31:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Race matters to me. (none / 0)

If a pollster asked me if race matters in my vote I'd answer yet. That doesn't explain everything.

I try to vote for underrepresented groups as a tie-breaker.


by catfish1 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:37:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

What was the survey question? (2.00 / 0)

On past exit poll surveys, the question was whether or not race influenced (or was a factor in) the vote.  That doesn't mean the person who answered yes was a racist.  2/10 people who responded yes in WV voted for Obama.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:44:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 1)

dont let em get you down! [keep fighting Alegre.]

Congrats to Hillary and all her supporters!

heard her speech, and barack's too, both were really great and heartfelt. I really like Hill's speech and thought that she was very sincere, and thought Barack was really thoughtful.


by alyssa chaos on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:14:44 AM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (1.00 / 3)

Yeah, Thanks Kentucky! For nothing.  You're only damaging our democratic nominee, Barack Obama.  And you're democrats?!


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:18:12 AM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, it's all your fault for not seeing things my way. And speaking your voices by voting!


by durendal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:20:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Thank you, Alegre! (2.00 / 3)

Thank you for continuing the good fight here.

And remember, they attack the messenger because they can't attack the message.


I'm a Rick-o-phobe.
by psychodrew on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:38:17 AM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (none / 0)

"Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age."

Senator Obama gave Hillary a dignified out from this contest.

It's over, Alegre.  We have our nominee.  Get on-board or join McCain's blog-troll recruits, and all the anti-Democratic progressiveness he stands for.  

Chose.


by neonplaque on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:49:42 AM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (none / 0)

"you're either with us or against us"

way to improve the discourse and promote hostile unity.


by alyssa chaos on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:07:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Time for unity (2.00 / 1)

Did any Obama supporter commenting on this diary actually hear the last 2 paragraphs of Hillary's speech? If you didn't, here they are:

That's why I'm in this race, to fight for your future, and that's why whatever happens, I'll work as hard as I can to elect a Democratic president this fall. The state motto of Kentucky is, "United we stand, divided we fall." Words that have a special place in our history. They inspired American revolutionaries to unite the colonies, to defy an empire and create a new nation, to invent a new form of government, of the people, by the people, for the people. And they have bound our nation together in service and sacrifice, even in our darkest hours.

We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause; united in service of the hopes and dreams that know no boundaries of race or creed, gender or geography. And when we do, there will be no stopping us. We won't just unite our party; we will unite our country and make sure America's best years are still ahead of us. Thank you, and God bless you and God bless America.

These are words of unity. Can everyone stop acting out already? We have already seen how well everyone can act out in a bitter primary fight. It was exciting the first time around. It was interesting the second time around. It was tiring the third time around. it was down right boring the fourth time around. It is helping John McCain the fifth time around. It has to stop.

As Hillary said: "We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause......" Why not start now? I would suggest that instead of trying to bond with your favorite faction, because surely you must have done that by now. We should all try to start bonding with each other. Because as Hillary said: "when we do, there will be no stopping us."


The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations. -- David Friedman
by pollbuster on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:53:03 AM EST

Re: Time for unity (none / 0)

Truly some good words and good sentiment from the Clinton camp. She's sending some love.....


by alyssa chaos on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:13:04 AM EST
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Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

Congratulations to the Clinton campaign for a well-earned victory!  And to all supporters.

This was a mostly positive diary, but for one line:

"Many millions of them have declared our preference after the haters started their effort to push her out of this race."

I don't know exactly who and what you mean.  I hope you're not referring to me.  Some of us feel that it helps the Democratic Party to acknowledge the nominee once the outcome is clear.  We may disagree about that, but it doesn't make me a hater.

I'm upset at all the bickering.  It doesn't help Obama.  It doesn't help Clinton.  It doesn't accomplish anything useful at all.  To my fellow Obama supporters - can you say something nicely or not at all?  His campaign doesn't need us pouring salt in anyone's wounds, and we should be better than that.  To Clinton supporters - can you refrain from responding when someone antagonizes you?  It's not helping.


McCain: because not everyone's ready to say goodbye to W yet!
by Matt Smith on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:54:46 AM EST

hmmm..... (1.00 / 1)

...Sixteen per cent of Hillary voters in KY say they plan to vote for McCain in the primary.

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/a rchives/2008/05/mccainiacs_for_clinton.p hp

That's what? about 70,000 votes....?

Interesting.


by BlueinColorado on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:20:34 AM EST

Re: hmmm..... (2.00 / 1)

off topic...

I think Alegre wrote a positive diary and you do her a dis-service by trying to hijack the thread.


by alyssa chaos on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:05:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: hmmm..... (none / 0)

Off topic?

The diary is about Kentucky. I posted an interesting statistic about the Kentucky exit polls.

I have this bad habit of thinking fora like these are for political discussion, back and forth, give and take. I keep forgetting that MyDD was meant to be a one-sided on-line never-ending pep rally.


by BlueinColorado on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:33:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

There's a very narrow definition (none / 0)

of "discussion" here. Normally in entails saying something very loud, and hoping to hear it repeated several times. Imagine Carlsbad Caverns and I think you'll get the idea.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:17:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (none / 0)

It is almost as if there are two alegre's.
There is the one that posts a fine diary like this which is similar to others of the same vein.
Then there is the odd alegre that writes in a kind of mutant venom...
I really appreciate this one..
Rec'd
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:04:23 AM EST

What an eloquent and wonderful speech. (none / 0)

That's why I'm in this race, to fight for your future, and that's why whatever happens, I'll work as hard as I can to elect a Democratic president this fall. The state motto of Kentucky is, "United we stand, divided we fall." Words that have a special place in our history. They inspired American revolutionaries to unite the colonies, to defy an empire and create a new nation, to invent a new form of government, of the people, by the people, for the people. And they have bound our nation together in service and sacrifice, even in our darkest hours. We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause; united in service of the hopes and dreams that know no boundaries of race or creed, gender or geography. And when we do, there will be no stopping us. We won't just unite our party; we will unite our country and make sure America 's best years are still ahead of us. Thank you, and God bless you and God bless America.
Democrats won big tonight.
by Jeter on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:36:32 AM EST

Hey fellow Obama supporters. Listen up! (none / 0)

Alegre said nothing negative in this diary. Those of you who have filthied up the comments should be ashamed and apologize. I don't care how you feel about the diarist. This is childish, and not representative of the campaign. What are you a bunch of junior high kids?

How do you think Barack Obama would feel if he came here and read what you've written? I think he'd disavow any connection to you. Silly donation schemes, insults, ratings abuse wars. This is exactly the kind of attitude we're fighting against! Or are you Republicans just here to make as much trouble as possible?

You owe Alegre an apology, and you owe Barack Obama better behavior while supposedly supporting him.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:50:49 AM EST

Alegre, this diary gets this Obamaniac's Rec. (none / 0)

First, because it's positive, but more to try to make up for the supposed Obama supporters who were total jerks in the comments.


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:53:53 AM EST

so... (none / 0)

She won over rural Kentuckians. What was her problem in Oregon?

Oh I forgot, all of those college degrees and affluence...

How dare they be educated enough to choose a winner!


"Beauty, more than bitterness, makes the heart break." Sara Teasdale
by april34fff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:05:28 AM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Num (none / 0)

Hmm, so Hillary's down by approximately 180 with 86 pledged delegates left. I'm not thinking she's coming back Alegre.

Oh, and that 10 million after Pennsylvania? Here' the actual numbers AS REPORTED BY HER CAMPAIGN.

April 23, 2008 1,738,154.61
April 24, 2008 2,578,730.28
April 25, 2008 787,048.99

Lies, half-truths and made up statistics. That's all she's got at this point. Well, that and you, Alegre.


by mcthatch37 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:43:03 AM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

What about Hillary Clinton causes any of you to want to put her in charge of our economy?  Have you seen the campaign debt?  Do you realize that 10 million dollars in one day (april 23rd?) figure was a lie?  A blatant lie!  Check the FEC numbers for yourself.  So I wouldn't really rely on the 22 million dollar figure being true.  



FEC

I'm not putting Mrs. Clinton down but there are some HUGE red flags that many folks seem to be ignoring in their excitement over her candidacy.


by eeruck01 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:46:40 AM EST

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

Running a campaign and running the economy, to the extend that a president can  "run" the economy are two completely different things.


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:24:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

keep telling yourself that.

basic budgeting is necessary when you make proposals that affect the economy.


by eeruck01 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:53:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

I always tell myself that. It's true. A campaign budget is NOTHING like the federal budget. A campaign has a finite end to it. Not so the united states of America. Nor will Obama be able to finance the government with ten dollar online contributions. That's why there's zero logical comparison to be made between that. Bush's 00 and 04 campaigns were well run. But how is his fiscal management? Or how about Reagan?


by Mayor McCheese on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:12:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The Enron of Primary Campaigns (1.00 / 2)

With the all of the creative accounting -- in delegate, popular vote and fundraising math -- the Clinton Campaign is beginning to resemble nothing so much as a company like Enron, which continued to issue aggressive and falsely optimistic reports long after it had sunken hopelessly into the red.

I don't blame Clinton supporters for their devotion and loyalty to Hillary. But I think that she is doing them a disservice by continuing to present her campaign as viable.

Clinton owes $20 million dollars to other parties and $11 dollars to herself. Of the $30 million reported last night as cash on hand, less than $10 million is available for the primary election -- over $20 million of cash on hand was reported as general election funds in March, and that number can only have grown.

$31 million dollars in debt less $10 million primary election cash on hand: Clinton is at least $21 million in the red. And the amount of cash on hand is less than the amount that she has lent herself: The Clinton Campaign is now running on Clinton's own money and the cash that is being raised is only enabling further deficit spending.

The Clinton Campaign is putting a good face on their financial situation, but given the trend and the enormity of the debt, there are grounds for considering it as dire and unprecedented. Given this lack of disclosure, I don't think there are grounds for expecting that the campaign would be any more forthcoming about their prospects in the nomination contest.


by baudelairien on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:02:41 PM EST


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