Thank You Kentucky! (and April Fundraising Numbers)

I spent over 10 hours calling Kentucky and Oregon today (all but an hour of it KY) and I'm mighty zonked.  But I thought I'd share the speech Hillary gave at her victory party in Louisville today before I call it a day.

Last time I checked Hillary was winning Kentucky by a vote of 65% to 30% and Hillary increases her lead in the popular vote by over 250,000 votes tonight.  Here's what she had to say a little while ago...

Transcript: Hillary Clinton Delivers Remarks at Louisville , KY Celebration Event

Hillary Clinton delivered the following remarks at a victory celebration in Louisville, KY tonight:

Thank you, Kentucky . Thank you all very, very much. I am so grateful for this victory. And I am so appreciative, because tonight I am thinking about why we are all here. It is not just to win a primary, or even just to win an election; what propels us is the struggle to realize America 's promise. A nation where every child can achieve his or her God-given potential, where every man and woman has a fair chance, where we fulfill the ideals our founders pledged their lives to defend and our nation was born to uphold.

I want to say a special word this evening about someone who has spent his whole life dedicated to realizing the promise of America . Senator Ted Kennedy is one of the greatest progressive leaders in our party's history, and one of the most effective senators in our country's history. He's my friend, and he's my inspiration. More than that, he is a hero to millions of Americans whose lives he has fought to better.

I am proud to have stood side-by-side with Ted Kennedy to increase the minimum wage, to extend health insurance to millions of children, to help stop insurance companies from discriminating against the sick. But the privileges that I have had and so many others have had because of the battles we have fought side-by-side with him are just a mere handful of what he has done during his entire public service; five extraordinary decades devoted to America.

And as a lifelong champion for social justice and equality, his work has made the path easier for me, for Senator Obama, and for countless others. He has been with us for our fights and we're with him now in his. And I know he is going to fight with all of his legendary might, supported by his wonderful wife Vicki and his entire family against this latest challenge. And we wish him well and send our thoughts and prayers to him.

Tonight we've achieved an important victory. It is not just Kentucky bluegrass that is music to my ears. It is the sound of your overwhelming vote of confidence even in the face of some pretty tough odds. Some have said your votes didn't matter, that this campaign was over, that allowing everyone to vote and every vote to count would somehow be a mistake. But that didn't stop you. You've never given up on me because you know I'll never give up on you.

This is one of the closest races for a party's nomination in modern history. We're winning the popular vote and I'm more determined than ever to see that every vote is cast and every ballot counted. I commend Senator Obama and his supporters and while we continue to go toe-to-toe for this nomination, we do see eye-to-eye when it comes to uniting our party to elect a Democratic president in the fall.

But I need your help. Your support has made the difference between victory and defeat. Though we have been outspent massively, your support has helped us make our case on the air and on the ground, and your help will keep us going. We've made it this far together, so please go to HillaryClinton.com and together we will make history. And I can't do it without you.

Now, you know that the stakes are high. After all this country has been through the past seven years, we have to get this right. We have to select a nominee who is best positioned to win in November, and someone who is best prepared to address the enormous challenges facing our country in these difficult times. That is what this election is all about.

Now, I'm told that more people have voted for me than for anyone who has ever run for the Democratic nomination. That is more than 17 million votes. Now, why? Why do millions keep turning out to vote in the face of naysayers and skeptics? Because you know that our political process is more than candidates running, or the pundits chattering, or the ads blaring. It is about the path we choose as a nation and whether or not we will solve our toughest problems. Whether or not we will have a president who will rebuild the economy, end the war in Iraq , restore our leadership in the world and stand up for you every single day.

The people I meet along the campaign trail don't always make the headlines; the nurses and teachers, the truckers and soldiers, the waitresses and firefighters, the police officers and coal miners, the college students and line workers. The men and women who get up every single day, work hard to make a difference for their families. The people struggling to make ends meet, to find a good job, to pay the bills, to have a shot at the American Dream.

For too long, too many Americans have felt invisible in their own country. Well, you've never been invisible to me. I've been fighting for you my entire life.

And I want you to remember, we are in this race because we believe that every single American deserves quality, affordable health care, no exceptions. We are in this race because we believe everyone deserves a shot at the American Dream, the opportunity to work hard at a good job to get ahead, to save for college, for a home, for retirement. To fill the gas tank and buy the groceries with a little left at the end of each month; to build a better life for you and your children. We are in this race because we believe this new century poses new challenges to meet and new opportunities to seize, if we only had a president ready, willing and able to lead.

To turn the climate crisis into an energy revolution and create million of new jobs; to turn the risks of the new global economy into the rewards of new prosperity shared by all of our people. We are in this race because we believe it will take a Commander-in-Chief with the strength and knowledge to end the war in Iraq safely and quickly, and a president with experience representing the people of the United States in more than 80 countries to restore our leadership and moral authority in the world.

And yes, we are in this race because we believe America is worth fighting for. This continues to be a tough fight. And I have fought it the only way I know how -- with determination, by never giving up and never giving in.

I have done it, not because I wanted to demonstrate my toughness, but because I believe passionately that for the sake of our country the Democrats must take back the White House and end the Republican rule. This country needs our combination of strength and compassion to help people struggling with their bills, living the hard reality of everyday life, in need of our leadership on issues from health care to energy to Social Security. That's why I'm still running and that's why you're still voting.

And I'm going on now to campaign in Montana , South Dakota , and Puerto Rico . And I'm going to keep standing up for the voters of Florida and Michigan . Democrats in those two states cast 2.3 million votes and they deserve to have those votes counted. That's why I'm going to keep making our case until we have a nominee, whoever she may be.

It is especially sweet tonight because Kentucky has a knack for picking presidents. This state delivered two terms to a president named Clinton . And it's often been said, as Kentucky goes, so goes the nation.

Neither Senator Obama nor I have won the 2210 delegates required to secure the nomination. And because this race is so close, still separated by less than 200 delegates out of more than 4,400, neither Senator Obama nor I will have reached that magic number when the voting ends on June the 3rd.

So, our party will have a tough choice to make. Who is ready to lead our party at the top of our ticket? Who is ready to defeat Senator McCain in the swing states and among swing voters? Who is ready to rebuild the economy and the war in Iraq and protect our national security as Commander-in-Chief? Who is ready on Day One to lead?

There are so many Kentuckians that I want to thank. I am so honored by your support and hospitality to me, to Bill and to Chelsea , and I want to thank Jerry and Charlotte Lundergan and my entire Kentucky Steering Committee, including former Governors Wendell Ford, Julian Carroll, John Y. Brown, Martha Layne Collins and Paul Patent. I want to thank Speaker Jody Richards and his wife Neva , former Attorney General, Greg Stumbo, Majority Leader Rocky Adkins and Tina Ward-Pugh, and Terry McBrayer, Joetta Wickliffe and Loretta Bosley.

I want to thank my friends in labor for standing by us every step of the way. I am grateful to the Kentucky Veterans for Hillary and honored by your support and your service. I want to thank my chairman, Terry McAuliffe, and my family. I am so grateful to the outstanding staff, volunteers and supporters in Kentucky and in Oregon and across America who have worked so hard.

Now, I have one more request to all of my supporters tonight, to the people I've met along the campaign trail, to everyone who has knocked on doors and volunteered and put up signs and donated to this campaign. Keep working. Keep fighting. Keep standing up for what you believe is right, because that is exactly what I'm going to do.

People ask me all the time, how do you keep going? Well, it is you who keep me going. And tonight, I'm thinking about all of the women I've met who were born before women could vote. Just this week, I met 89-year-old Emma Hollis, an African-American woman, she has seen so many barriers crumble and fall in her lifetime, but she is not finished yet. She has been volunteering out of our campaign office in Covington to help our campaign break the highest and hardest glass ceiling in the land.

I'm thinking about Andrea Steagall, a strong and composed young woman, 20 years old, who drove across Kentucky to meet me. Her husband, Justin, is deployed in Afghanistan . And she told me how important it is that we have a president who will always stand up for our veterans. And I am honored by her support, and by her family's service and sacrifice.

And I'm thinking again about Dalton Hatfield, the 11-year-old from Kentucky , who sold his bike and his video games to raise money to support my campaign. And then he asked others to give, too, and he was able to really give me a boost. And this week, I finally had the chance to meet him in Prestonsburg and to say, Dalton , thank you so much .The $422 you raised helped carry the day in Kentucky .

That's why I'm in this race, to fight for your future, and that's why whatever happens, I'll work as hard as I can to elect a Democratic president this fall. The state motto of Kentucky is, "United we stand, divided we fall." Words that have a special place in our history. They inspired American revolutionaries to unite the colonies, to defy an empire and create a new nation, to invent a new form of government, of the people, by the people, for the people. And they have bound our nation together in service and sacrifice, even in our darkest hours.

We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause; united in service of the hopes and dreams that know no boundaries of race or creed, gender or geography. And when we do, there will be no stopping us. We won't just unite our party; we will unite our country and make sure America 's best years are still ahead of us. Thank you, and God bless you and God bless America.

I just want to echo what Hillary said about Sen. Kennedy.  He was first elected to the Senate the year I was born (1962) - probably just a couple weeks after and I've always had the greatest respect for him.  Especially in the way he's fought for our basic human right to health care.  The working stiff has a great champion in him and I hope he finds a way to beat whatever's going on.  He'll be in my thoughts and prayers as he begins his battle against this - his toughest foe.

One more thing - in the ten hours of phone calls I made today (and I probably spoke with hundreds of folks) I have to say that the people of Kentucky are some of the warmest and most thoughtful people out there.  We discussed the issues whenever I ran into an undecided voter (those were few and far between) and Hillary's supporters had some amazingly encouraging things to say about our gal.

I lost count of the number of folks who asked me to tell her to stay strong and never give up the fight.  I told them that she's a fighter - that her wonderful husband has said many times of his wife that "there's no quit in that girl" - and that (speaking for me) I hope she takes this thing all the way to the convention.  The race is just too close to not go for it - the stakes are too high and we're counting on her to keep on fighting for us.

Oh and one more thing for all of you who say she should get out...

Hillary's now wracked up more votes than any other Democrat - ever.  Some 17 million Americans have turned out to say they want her to be our next president.  Many millions of them have declared our preference after the haters started their effort to push her out of this race.  And today we learn that her supporters have donated approximately $22 million in the month of April.  Check it out...

Clinton Campaign Raises $22 Million in April

Fundraising pace represents campaign's 2nd best month of the campaign

The Clinton campaign tonight announced that it raised approximately $22 million in the month of April.

"Senator Clinton's game-changing victories last month turned the tide for this campaign and resulted in an outpouring of grassroots support," said Campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe. "Just like Hillary, our supporters continue to fight. The support for Hillary continues to grow with each month and we are so thankful to the army of supporters who have assured that we'll have the resources needed to win the upcoming contests."

Included in the $22 million total, representing the campaign's second best fundraising month to date, is $10 million raised by the campaign in the 48 hours after Hillary's significant Pennsylvania victory. This total is in addition to a loan to the campaign of $5 million.

Additional details will be available in the campaign's FEC report, to be released later this evening.

Now if we thought she was finished, do you honestly think we'd have ponied up all that money?

Speaking of sending our gal some love, please consider donating if it's been a while - let Hillary know you're excited about her huge win in Kentucky, and that you want to see her keep fighting for us, and for the right to represent our party in the general election.

       
 

U P D A T E

I just got an email from Hillary and folks - she's in this thing and going strong. Check it out...

Once again tonight, you and I stood together and showed America what we're made of.

Every time we win another state, we prove something about ourselves and about our country. And did we ever prove something tonight in Kentucky.

We showed America that the voters know what the "experts" will never understand -- that in our great democracy, elections are about more than candidates running, pundits commenting, or ads blaring.

They're about every one of us having his or her say about the path we choose as a nation. The people of Kentucky have declared that this race isn't over yet, and I'm listening to them -- and to you.

Your unshakeable commitment to that principle and your willingness to keep forging ahead inspire me every day. Let's keep supporting one another in these crucial days ahead.

All the best, Hillary Rodham Clinton

HELP HILLARY FIGHT ON - CONTRIBUTENOW!

UPDATE 2

Ya know I've gone and posted a diary that's nothing but positive about my candidate. I wanted to celebrate her hard fought-for victory in Kentucky and some folks have done nothing but trash it and attack me on a personal level, with lies and call-outs.

I've also seen some really great MyDD'rs challenge them on their childish behavior. So to anyone who's pissed about this garbage, do me a favor and put your disgust to good use - donate to Hillary's historic campaign and let the spammers know you're going to push back every time they pull this stuff!

       
 



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Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 17)

Another HUGE win for Hillary!


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:43:43 PM EST

$6 and 3 hours for Obama! (1.35 / 14)

Wow, I thought I'd be losing money more quickly than this...


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:44:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (1.45 / 11)

Are you doing some sort of give-money-and-time-to-Obama-whenever-Al egre-says-something-intellectually-disho nest thing?

Man, I'd be out of money so fast. Heck, I don't have any money to begin with. I'd have negative money.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:47:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks, alegre. Great diary! Makes a real (2.00 / 0)

difference to me that you try to keep us up to date on things Hillary.  Loved the speech and thought she was in a really good place, looking strong and at ease and loved.  I hope she goes to the convention with the fight if Mich and Florida's certified votes arean't counted.  Don't know what has happened to our sense of democracy.  If a precinct captain in Florida had taken a box of votes and put them in the dumpster, or reassigned them to some one the votes were not marked for, the hue and cry would be "election fraud".  

If Secretary of State certified a ballot and then counted and certified the vote and then someone came along who did't get any votes and demanded the votes be marked for him, what would we call that. (I understand why he wanted off the ballot since he was polling 16 and 19%.  After the others left he tried to get back on the ballot right before the deadline, but ended up not getting all the paperwork submitted in time.)

Of course this is all hypothetical, sort of like counting delegates' votes that have not been cast and won't be for four more months.  Never seen anything like it.  If a person doesn't want to count the votes, don't run for office.  Seems like a bad match.

I would think that if  you don't enjoy the town meetings or the debates or the interviews with reporters asking questions or the speech writing or developing the specifics of plans or the grand vision of policy, or the fiscal accounting or the requirements of management or the hearings or the foreign travel and interaction or the grind of the trail, the rules of the process or the competition or the voting/counting thing but you enjoy the stadium crowds, the press seduction and the Machiavellian manipulations,  maybe this is a wrong career choice.  Could think of  a couple that would suit those interests.

Sorry to write this on a comment that mentions your name.  I understand you to work very hard to be positive, and given what you have to put up with to do it, the rewards are surely not in the process!

 Thank you so much for your contribution to the people who rec you every diary.  If we did not value and benefit from your work you could not have such popular diaries. Think they missed that.

If your detractors had something useful to say they could write their own diaries and attract so many readers that they are actual contributors to the discussion.  You are more helpful to them than their behaviour warrants.
 


by itsadryheat on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:25:28 AM EST
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Re: Not about the election (none / 0)

This thread seems to support my feeling that votes in this election cycle (by bloggers anyway) are more about personal squabbles and settling scores than about defeating the Republicans in the Fall.

Thank goodness that there is a real world out there where retards who think Obama is a Muslim and dentally challenged banjo playing inbreds will carry the day.


by xdem on Wed May 21, 2008 at 06:53:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

It's about who could be a good president (none / 0)

and who couldn't


by itsadryheat on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:44:56 PM EST
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Re: Thanks, alegre. Great diary! Makes a real (2.00 / 1)

Hillary was super in her speech, she's funny, cheerful, upbeat, positive, one things that's been great about this long campaign is that real personalities are impossible to hide.  If bloggers who love to hate Al had more humanity, they'd know that her son is in kindergarten and learning because of Hillary's early intervention programs.  She has my priorities, kids, education, women's health, her domestic issues and mine are for the first time in a presidential candidate the same.  She's also prepared herself for the job, and she has the most experienced experts and professionals who are ready to work for her administration. This hate directed at Al for sticking her neck out for what she believes in mirrors what Hillary goes through. It's sad, but it's the reality for public women, even publicly recognized bloggers. What's nice is that the rumor about paid charm bloggers was obviously false, no charm here from his bloggers, or somebody's being paid too much.  


by anna shane on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:08:47 AM EST
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She's better enjoy it - it will be her last one... (2.00 / 2)

A big LOSS coming up for her in Oregon (where Obama will also clinch the majority of pledged delegates) and then onto two more losses for her in the final two contests of South Dakota and Montana.

Oh.....and she still trails by about 160+ delegates.....and no more real estate to make it up.

Oh, wait.....I forgot about Puerto Rico.

It's funny that Hillary Clinton thinks Puerto Rico should count but four AMERICAN caucus states should not. Talk about disenfranchisement.


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:24 PM EST
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I Wouldn't Talk About Disenfranchisement If I Were (2.00 / 3)

you.

Two words...

Michigan.
Florida.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:06:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How Do You Propose (1.75 / 4)

we deal with states cheating up their Primary dates in the future?


by RNinNC on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:22:59 PM EST
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That depends.... (2.00 / 1)

If they vote for Clinton....she wants them seated b/c if not it would be VOTER DISENFRANCHISEMENT!!!!!!

If they vote for Obama....to hell with them....those states don't matter.


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:25:51 PM EST
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I Don't Mean Any Snark (1.66 / 3)

I just haven't ever heard what Clinton's views are for controlling the Primary calendar next time around. Truly curious.


by RNinNC on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:35:38 PM EST
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Re: I Don't Mean Any Snark (none / 0)

It will be to make the deciding metric whichever one works out best for her.


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:37:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I Wouldn't Talk About Disenfranchisement If I (2.00 / 1)

Yup. Clinton worked to actively disenfranchise both, especially Michigan. Your point being?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:23:04 PM EST
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Re: I Wouldn't Talk About Disenfranchisement If I (none / 0)

You should probably talk to Hillary about that one then, since she's one of the ones who voted to "disenfranchise" them.


Fire is the Sun unwinding from the tree's log.
by jsidlowski on Wed May 21, 2008 at 08:52:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Let me ask (2.00 / 4)

has she ever targeted You?

Why did you come here? Ohhhh... I see.... just to be a pain in the A..!

okie dokie.


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:53:59 PM EST
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Wrong again. (2.00 / 3)

The pledge originated here:

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/19/2 14719/143/34#34


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:00:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wrong again. (2.00 / 2)

wrong again?

I don't care where your pledge came from, the fact that you came here to post a trollish in your face comment is BS.


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:03:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Pray tell... (2.00 / 3)

how, exactly, was I being either trollish or in anyone's face?  I said I was going to donate time and money to Obama.  The horror!  The horror!


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:09:47 PM EST
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Re: Pray tell... (1.00 / 2)

hahaha!

Is that ALL you did? My god, how blind you are.

One tiny little hint... besides what you wrote, try also looking at your sig line.

get it?


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:28:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh, and also... (2.00 / 7)

since when did donating to a Democratic candidate become a bad or offensive thing to do?  I seem to have missed that memo.


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:01:30 PM EST
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oh my (2.00 / 1)

it is the fact that you came in this diary simply to post a trollish comment. An "in your face" sort of thing.


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:02:41 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 2)

Can't take the heat?

You're whining all over the diary.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:03:35 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 2)

so, it's whining to point out that someone is being a troll?  get a grip.  In no way is this appropriate behavior, and it's not whining to call it out.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:07:20 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 0)

Calling out somebody as being a troll when they are not IS whining.

You need to get a grip. This is more of the same hypocritical B.S.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:11:44 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 3)

when someone, you included, enters a diary with no interest in promoting positive discussion but instead is only interested in being negative and disrupting discussion, that is trolling by definition.  You're engaging in it, as is almost every Obama supporter in this diary.  Pointing that out is not whining.

My grip is fine; I question your grip on normative behavior.  I'd bet you're a nice person in person; online, not so much.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:23:26 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 1)

Spamming. Trolling. Are these the new Clinton blogosphere
talking points?

Not agreeing and not being a cheerleader for Hillary in a pro-Hillary blog is not considered trolling. You would say that.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:53:33 PM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 1)

so, let's see.  Below are some of your comments in this diary.  There is nothing productive here whatsoever, and the clear intent is sarcasm and denigrating HRC and her supporters.  That is trolling.  As is your comment I am responding to.  I am not a Hillary supporter, but I call foul when I see it, and there's a lot of it to go around from Obama's supporters here.

I don't expect you to be a pro-Hillary cheer leader.  But, I expect you and others to behave like decent human beings and not assholes.

"Hillary has no such thing! Debts are overrated anyways!"

"LOL? You spam the same thing on every diary.
Your talking points are stale and soooo last week."

"Can't take the heat?
You're whining all over the diary."

"Leave the Clinton supporters alone!
You dish, but can't take it. I think you're the one who doesn't get it."


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:20:24 AM EST
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Re: oh my (1.00 / 1)

You the P.C. Police?

Those were specific comments to specific people.

Did you even see to whom I was responding and what they were posting?  Did you? No. Just take my posts out of contexts and call me out as an asshole.

It's perfectly fine though. Super Slynch is on the case! Protecting innocent Hillary supporters from the Big Bad Obamabots.

Toolbag.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:44:00 AM EST
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Re: oh my (2.00 / 1)

in fact, I read all the threads the messages were attached to, and pretty easily reached the conclusion that you were here to disrupt.  I don't think anything was taken out of context at all.  Only one of them was a response to another poster saying something negative to you but even that was in response to another comment.

no, I'm not the PC police (what are you, some sort of little boy seeking attention through disruptive behavior?), but if you go back to the beginning of this little thread, you'll see that my initial comment was in response to one of your assholish comments about whining.  And, throughout this thread, you've been an asshole to me.  First, I'm a hypocrite.  Then I'm simply engaged in passing on HRC talking points.  Now I'm a toolbag. Toolbag?  Really showing your age there.


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:57:10 AM EST
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Re: oh my (none / 0)

Look man. Whatever. You poppsycho analisis b.s. is played out and cliche. I get it.  Your opinion and what you deduce from them are your problem. You called me out as an asshole, toolbag was the nicest term I could think of. Wouldn't want to call you an asshole, huh?

Carry on and perform your super duties. I'll call b.s. when I see it.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:32:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hey, slynch, how ya' doing? (1.33 / 3)

I see the beastie boyz have stalked alegre to her latest diary to make rude noises and throw their toys.

I really appreciate alegre passing along the transcript and the note from Hillary.  We thought the speech was so good we watched it twice.  Love the way she connects with the audience and how excited they were with her promises to go on until there was "a nominee, no matter who she is".

After all the rampant rumors being churned by the opposition about concession -so arrogant -I am glad she reiterated her determination for counting all the votes for Fl and MI  Terry said in an interview that if there was not a resolution they wanted on the two states the would take it to the convention.  That is very encouraging.

I couldn't watch Senator Obama's speech - so contrived and manipulative to make up a category and then claim to have won it.  I would feel a lot better about him if he didn't act as though he could not afford to let the election run its course and let the people cast the votes before he claimed they wouuld all be for him.

What's up with that?  So unlike Democrats.  But then the party leaders in the DNC and Congress haven't seemed a lot like Democrats to me since '06.  Maybe we need some more parties, if this one doesn't act more like its values used to demand.

Oh, well , nice to see you.  


by itsadryheat on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:33:57 AM EST
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Re: Hey, slynch, how ya' doing? (2.00 / 1)

hey, good to see you, too.  I'm fine here, but tired of listening to all the crap for one night.  They seem to be out in full force tonight.

I listened to Obama's speech; it actually wasn't so bad.  I really think that if his supporters on this site were to follow his example, it'd be a much better approach to trying to achieve "unity."  Not saying I like him, but he's not nearly as bad as his supporters.


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:59:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hey, slynch, how ya' doing? (none / 0)

I'd appreciate your expanding on one of your statements, if you don't mind.  You write that Obama was "contrived and manipulative to make up a category and then claim to have won it"; are you talking about the pledged delegates?  If so, what do you mean that he "made it up"?  I'm serious--I don't understand.  Or perhaps I'm missing something, and you're talking about something completely different.  Would you please explain?

Also, my two cents' about Obama "claiming victory": I think it's virtually universal for politicians to seek to make claims of inevitability or "certain victory" whenever they can.  And if one candidate has amassed an insuperable total, then it's a fact that the remaining contests lose significance.  I'm not saying that Obama has already secured the nomination; he hasn't.  But many Democrats have declared their belief that the winner of the pledged delegate vote deserves to be the nominee, and since Obama secured that majority last night, in the minds of many he is the presumptive nominee.  No voters are being disenfranchised, but (for folks who like applying sports metaphors to politics) this isn't like a football game in the fourth quarter, where it's possible to score enough points to come from behind.  It's more like the final few frames of a bowling match or match-play golf, where one person is too far behind to make up the difference.


by deminva on Wed May 21, 2008 at 03:01:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: oh my (2.00 / 5)

And you are being condescending. This is intimidation, plain and simple, designed to make Alegre pause when considering whether or not to write another diary.


by Falsehood on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:07:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not at all. (none / 0)

I actually like reading alegre's diaries, although I think she should limit herself to one or two a day so that other worthy diarists can have their voices heard, too.  I'd be donating either way, this just limits my spending somewhat.


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:11:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Not at all. (2.00 / 2)

That reasoning neglects your choice to publically track your donations.

Donate however you want (and please do, I have), but publishing the reason when its this one in intimidation in my book.


by Falsehood on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:20:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How is it intimidation... (2.00 / 1)

to offer to donate to a Democrat?  I thought that was the goal--getting Democrats elected?


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:24:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: How is it intimidation... (2.00 / 1)

I have no problems with your donation.

I have a problem when you publicly tie that donation to Alegre publishing ANY diary, such that you put her in a position when posting anything will feel like she's working against her candidate in some way.

My question to you is:
Why are you publicly tracking this?


by Falsehood on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:39:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Why not? (2.00 / 1)

Grlpatriot suggested it, actually, and alegre had no problem with it.


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:02:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Be careful with that... (none / 0)

Legally, you can only contribute $2300 per cycle, and Alegre posts a lot.  I mean A LOT!!!


CAN EVREEWUN HAZ REC/RATE BACK?
by ScienceTeacher118 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:17:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Coming from An Obama Fan (2.00 / 3)

that means a lot.

Thanks Falsehood :o)

Not to worry though - I'm not easily intimidated and petty spamming won't keep me from posting diaries.

I have a feeling that if they keep up this childish behavior, we won't be seeing them around after this.

One more thing - they can donate a couple bucks if they want but I'll probably help raise a few hundred bucks or more from the funding pitch in tonight's diary.  


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:12:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Coming from An Obama Fan (2.00 / 2)

I doubt ANYONE easily intimidated can stay on MyDD for extended amounts. It took me all of 2 days to get troll rated for the first time, I think.

Re: The Fundraising, that's one reason why I want you firmly behind Obama should this thing end in his favor.

I'd make some criticism of your assertion that she has the popular vote lead, but Oregon ain't in yet.

However, I would love to hear just how you justify denying any Obama votes to Michigan. And if your reason is that he pulled his name off the ballot, that doesn't quite convince me.


by Falsehood on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:28:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

bullshit (1.25 / 4)

intimidation my ass.

If an alcoholic is going to lose his job if he gets wasted at the Christmas party is it intimidation to warn him not to drink?

If I ask alegre how she sleeps at night posting this tripe hoping to cause her to reflect and avoid doing further damage by writing another diary, am I trying to intimidate her?

Garbage.


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:50:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You probably don't sleep - thinking of (2.00 / 1)

allegre all the time, right little feller?


by durendal on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:14:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bullshit (2.00 / 2)

Attacking her work on its substance is entirely different then saying one will do something just because she posts a diary without regard to its content.

I wouldn't be as entirely opposed to a running tally of untruths with a statement of donation per unfair attack/whatever.

That's not what this is - this is to prevent any postings whatsoever.


by Falsehood on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:14:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bullshit (none / 0)

umm, what about alegre threatening banning and reporting?

Instead of these reaches for intimidation, what about the overt stuff?


by ameridad on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:19:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: bullshit (2.00 / 2)

She made a veiled prediction, and a reference to contacting the admins over these comments.

You're right - that is intimidation, but I have no problem with her pushing back on someone else's attempts to intimidate her into not posting diaries.

If she predicts I'll be banned for critiquing her remarks, then I would have a problem with that. I don't think the donation "threat" has substance, and  I'm less inclined to defend it.

Also, Alegre is referring specifically to these comments. It'd be different if she told the commenter to avoid her diaries in the future for risk of banning.


by Falsehood on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:45:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Good thing that there is no (2.00 / 1)

donation "threat" then.

Goodnight.


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:05:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good thing that there is no (none / 0)

I use that word because you do threaten an action hostile to Alegre's wishes - to have Clinton as the nominee.


by Falsehood on Wed May 21, 2008 at 11:47:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oooo......a few hundred bucks!!!! (none / 0)

Wow....that'll go a LONG way to wiping out that $20 million in debt!

I think I'll go donate my entire stimulus check I got in the mail yesterday to Obama and triple whatever you raise tonight single-handedly.


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:28:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Spiff (2.00 / 2)

You complimented me for a positive diary last night.

I post another positive diary tonight and these jerks trash it.

And now you're going after someone for pointing out the spamming, and accusing us of WHINING?

WTF?


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:27:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

lying is never positive (none / 0)

trying to deceive readers by claiming Hillary is leading the popular vote without mentioning the page long caveats is not positive.


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:52:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Spiff (2.00 / 2)

I also complimented this diary as well. I have no problems with the diary. I do have a problem with somebody coming on to the blog with the sole purpose of calling out Obama supporters as trolls and spammers when they are doing no such thing. I never accused you of whining. I directly replied to a commenter who is going after Obama supporters with the same line in various instances.

It goes both ways, you can look up the most positive pro-Obama diaries and the "usual suspects" are filling it up with spam and nonsense. I have trouble with hipocrisy of many Clintons supporters when it comes to dishing it and not being able to take the heat. Unity goes both ways.

I am not (nor was I ever) accusing you of whining. If you took offense I apologize. I think it's better to hide rate and move on instead of making a spectacle and cluttering the diary even further. That's why I replied to a specific commenter.


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:05:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Uh, no. (2.00 / 1)

I came into this diary to read it.  I was going to congratulate alegre on her candidate's Kentucky win (and a very good victory speech), but I haven't exactly had a chance yet since I have to keep responding to your inanities first.

So, if you'll excuse me, I'll be right back.


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:15:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

whatever (none / 0)

good job.... hm.


Washington Woman
theocracywatch.org
EENR Blog
by kevin22262 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:20:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Uh, no. (2.00 / 2)

your very first comment in this diary shows that the statement that you came in here to read it and congratulate alegre is a disingenuous one.  If that's what you intended to do, you could have done it in your first post.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:26:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hmmm. (2.00 / 1)

You do have a point.  Next time I'll post the plaudits right off the bat, and just update the sig without further comment.  Mmkay?


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:39:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hmmm. (2.00 / 1)

fair enough.  

Actually, I don't have a problem with the sig line myself.  Whatever motivates funding for a democratic candidate, I'm ok with.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:49:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Excellent. (2.00 / 1)

I'd go back and delete that first comment, but I can't.  Feel free to hide it into oblivion.


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:52:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Excellent. (none / 0)

nah. your post wasn't that bad, especially relative to others'


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:06:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Given Your Very First Comment Here (2.00 / 3)

you'll excuse me if I don't believe you here.


Donate to Hillary Now!
by alegre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:28:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh noes! (2.00 / 2)

Alegre doesn't believe me, oh whatever shall I do?

The ironic thing is, it was one of your diaries that convinced me to join MyDD in the first place.  But of course, you don't believe me on that, either.  Ah, well.


John McCain, John McCain
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:37:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh noes! (2.00 / 1)

It's sad you've dissolved into such petty hatred then. I haven't given Hillary a dime this primary season but after seeing this immature behavior, I have been convinced to give to her an undisclosed sum which will cancel out your "$X, X hours".


by Beet on Wed May 21, 2008 at 01:34:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (2.00 / 3)

Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Alegre is a Hillary supporter (2.00 / 4)

So what's your point?  Give to Obama, if you want.  But why spam a pro-Hillary diary; it just looks rude.  


by izarradar on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:19:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (2.00 / 2)

what do you think you are accomplishing by doing this?

you and the poster below are not doing anything positive for your candidate, to this diary or to yourselves.  no where did the author make mention of BO, save for where he is mentioned by HRC in her speech.

BO clearly knows he has a problem with HRC's supporters and this is why he is mending fences. the exit polls for kentucky should scare you, as i would suspect they scare your candidate.  so please stop as you words do matter and they are turning alot of people off.


"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." Plato
by canadian gal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:25:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (2.00 / 3)

Elsinora,

May I be so bold to suggest that your comments and signature make you a rather poor representative of the Obama campaign?  I can't speak for others, but when I read your comment and signature, it reinforces a very negative feeling for on anything at all related to Obama.


by markjay on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:33:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: $6 and 3 hours for Obama! (none / 0)

You are quite simply a troll.


by optimisticBoy on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:02:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 4)

Woot! She's a lifelong champion of progressive causes, and17 million people know that!


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:46:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 2)

Absolutely! Let's not forget these seventeen million are the seventeen million that count, and not the other seventeen million.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:50:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (1.00 / 9)

Yes, it's over for Obama. He needs to get out now, and return to what he's good at-- pontificating and bloviating to a bunch of lawyers at some ivory tower law school.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:58:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

U Chicago's not an Ivy. (2.00 / 3)

Interesting anti-intellectual vibe there, though. Just the kind of thing I'd read at FR.


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:00:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

sad really (1.00 / 5)

KnowVox knows he has totally ruined this username's credibility so he is just bitter.

You can expect him to say anything until he is finally banned.

Lucky for him (unlike jermoe) he picked sides, engaged in despicable smears, lies, spin, and repugnance under a pseudonym.

It must suck to go 'all in' when you can't see your cards, have been assured they are aces, but wind up with a couple of deuces.


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: U Chicago's not an Ivy. (none / 0)

he didn't say Ivy.  he said "ivory"


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: U Chicago's not an Ivy. (2.00 / 1)

Ivory tower is a common reference for Ivy League schools and their equivalents (Stanford, William & Mary, UC Berkeley, etc.)


by shalca on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:31:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: U Chicago's not an Ivy. (none / 0)

Ivory Tower is a reference to ALL Universities and Colleges.


by hopeful on Wed May 21, 2008 at 09:48:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

So he/she's not anti-Ivy League (none / 0)

he/she is anti higher ed. Well, that clears that up.


by bookish on Wed May 21, 2008 at 10:20:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

Alegre - did she announce how much debt she currently has as well?

I don't see how she is the "best positioned" to win in the general if she is $20+ million in debt while Obama is $50 miillion in the black.

Not that I think you will actually bother to answer my question......


by Deano963 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:54:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 1)

Hillary has no such thing! Debts are overrated anyways!


Obama/Clark will CRUSH John McCain
by spacemanspiff on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:00:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

10hrs on a tuesday (1.25 / 4)

What do you do for a living that you can spend so much time volunteering? (I thought, propably wrongly, I read you were a single working mom.)

And even after tonight, hillary is only ahead in popular vote if you give Obama zero votes in MI, and ignore the votes in several caucus states.

Yet I've read over a million words of yours decrying  the disenfranchisement of democratic voters.

alegre, how do you sleep at night knowing you are trying to deceive so many of your fellow progressives?


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:01:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 10hrs on a tuesday (2.00 / 2)

She's living paycheck to paycheck, too, in that suburbian DC "ghetto", dontchaknow.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:02:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

here is my problem (none / 0)

Alegre is a bundler.

There is absolutly no challenging that.

How is it that people are allowed to bundle huge sums of money for a candidate without knowing their name?

Its a total scam. alegre is asking clinton questions  in a public conference call, is lobbing softballs at the candidate(gannon anyone?)while raising thousands, and thousands of dollars, above her legal donor limit, which none of us can check out because we have no idea who she is.

Does Obama have anonymous online bundlers? Probably. I seem to remember seeing an iceburgslim link to an Obama donataion page.

The campaigns I'm sure know who these people are but does the public not have a right to know?


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:17:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That is complete and utter BS and (none / 0)

you have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever clicked on alegre's "donate to Hillary" link. If you would have bothered you would see it takes you to Hillary's website and they ask for your - wait for it - your NAME and ADDRESS. When I donate through alegre's link it is money that I, MYSELF, donate to Hillary under MY name. Alegre gets recognition for helping to raise the money but, sheesh, get a grip...

Alegre is a bundler.
There is absolutly no challenging that. How is it that people are allowed to bundle huge sums of money for a candidate without knowing their name? Its a total scam.

And this? WTF?

alegre is asking clinton questions  in a public conference call, is lobbing softballs at the candidate(gannon anyone?)while raising thousands, and thousands of dollars, above her legal donor limit, which none of us can check out because we have no idea who she is.

Do you just make shit up to see how it sounds when you write it?


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:18:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That is complete and utter BS and (none / 0)

https:/contribute.hillaryclinton.com/fo rm.html?sc=ac0&rc=E5W3

https:/contribute.hillaryclinton.com/fo rm.html?sc=2465

Lets play a game....

Guess which link alegre gives you to donate, and guess which is the donate page linked from Hillary's home page.

hmm?

I never claimed the donors didn't give their name. And I assume Hillary's campaign knows alegre's name.

You need to reread my post after you realize from the two links above that alegre is bundling traceable donations to hillary.


by ameridad on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:28:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 10hrs on a tuesday (2.00 / 0)

actually, she's ahead if you count MI and FL and you count the caucus states.  She's only behind if you don't count MI and FL.  So, no one is being disenfranchised--everyone who voted is being counted.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:15:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

link ? n/t (none / 0)


by ameridad on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:35:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: link ? n/t (none / 0)

yeah, yeah. this counts tonights kentucky vote, and it looks like they're updating for oregon as well.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/democratic_vote_count.htm l


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:45:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: link ? n/t (none / 0)

tonight's.  busy programming and obviously can't program and type words at the same time.


by slynch on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:46:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: link ? (none / 0)

Yet no votes for Obama in that MI tally. That's bogus, as even Jerome admits that the other votes were obviously for Obama. Nice try, tho.
GeauxBama!
by DailyKingFish on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:58:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: link ? (2.00 / 0)

I'm not "trying" anything, so don't condescend to me.  It's not Clinton's fault that Obama removed his name from the ballot.  The fact is, if you count all votes cast for the candidates they were, in fact, cast for, Clinton is ahead.  There's no spin or complicated math involved in that argument.


by slynch on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:03:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 10hrs on a tuesday (2.00 / 3)

I don't know what Alegre does for a living, but I sure admire the hard work she puts in for her candidate (and mine).  What do you and other Obama supporters think you are going to achieve by trying to attack her personally and tear her down?  Why don't you spend your time and effort working positively on behalf of your own candidate instead?  What do YOU do for a living that give you time to spend time trolling here?


by markjay on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:38:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: 10hrs on a tuesday (2.00 / 1)

Excellent points, Mark. As usual.


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:09:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 3)

THANK YOU, Alegre, for all of your hard work.


by susanhu on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:08:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Stunning and historic (2.00 / 2)

A terrific victory and she is showing her strength in key  parts of the country the dems need to win the White House.  She is giving the supers something to ponder: the popular vote.

I liked her tribute to Ted Kennedy very much, acknowledging the leadership he has shown and shared with many.

And I liked her message to us supporters...it is gratitude as she knows we are with her!  


by 4justice on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:21:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (2.00 / 2)

And you too, alegre. Thanks for posting this and a huge hat tip for your hard work. You're  gem and then some. You're aces in my book.


by durendal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:50:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Alegre! (none / 0)

For showing your graciousness and good sportspersonship by, once again, not lowering yourself to congratulate the Obama campaign for their win in Oregon.

In fact, so far I can't find a single Hillary supporter on MyDD congratulating Obama on his Oregon win.

Should I be surprised?


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:52:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Many sore winners 2nite a good nite for HRC (2.00 / 1)

She's winning and they are scared! Woohoo!

The night he makes his "victory" speech sure brought a lot of Obama meanies into this diary tonight. Never seen them this mean!


by catfish1 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:05:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Thank You Kentucky! (none / 0)

And HUGE setback for democrats.  To vote for Senator Clinton now is to vote for McCain.  As a fan of Hillary Clinton, I have to say it's time for her (AND YOU) to hang it up for the good of the party.  We can't afford Pres. McCain, and he's the only one you're helping!


by Democrat in Chicago on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:29:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]