What else.

Hmmmm.....

I'm just sitting here in Oregon minding my own business waiting for the results to come in.  

I'll let all y'alls from Kentucky chime in on this one.

Anyone watching MSNBC and catch the difference of opinion between OR and KY on the gas tax holiday?

Interesting.

Blue haired women with blue eyes, who went to community college and have 1.5 children, with an income of less than X voted for so and so.

Whereas brown haired women who sleep less than six hours with 4 children voted for X.

There is clear division here.

Let's draw a bunch of bright red lines and tell people what to think.

Race plays an issue in Kentucky and other Appalachian states more than it does out West; this is a simple truth that a lot of people need to stop ignoring. And before you go apeshit, Clinton supporters, I lived half of my life in "Appalachia," and feel that my experiences there validate the judgments I make in this post.

However, I think Obama's image also has something to with it. He's been inaccurately painted by Clinton and others as a big scary latte-sipping liberal--in other words, someone who "don't get it"--and with this demographic, that means a lot more than his skin color ever will. They perceive him as being out of touch with reality.

In fact, I'd argue that anyone who is presented, no matter how questionably, as living a lifestyle with any perceived "abnormalities" (read: instances of being "different") would find themselves in Obama's situation. As lovable as 'Appalachians' might be, they can be infuriatingly narrow-minded about other cultures and lifestyles (God, how many times have I been called a "city boy" just because of my accent?)--and this is another simple truth that people around here need to acknowledge.

i think its the thing that we're not supposed to talk about because then they start talking about the other thing that we're not supposed to talk about and then the discussion gets heated and someone brings up starbucks and volvos and someone else "old ladies" then "young slackers" on and on and on.

(".....but i know why kentucky polls so different than oregon".......whispers citizendave)  but i won't mention it here.

I am still struck in both state's exit polls by the number of Clinton supporters who won't vote Obama (higher) as opposed to the number of Obama (lower) supports who would vote for Hillary.

Is it truly more important to elect a woman than to elect a Democrat?

Perhaps people in Kentucky have been poisoned by all the coal mining that has gone on there.  Try driving through Floyd County, for example, and just look at what the coal companies have wrought.  I certainly wouldn't want to drink the water or breath the air there.  

No time here for romancing this issue: racism is still an important variable in presidential elections, and in that sense, nothing has changed since Reagan's antiBlack campaign of 1980 and all of the northern backlash Democrats decided to go with him. Yes, the Reagan Democrats.

The only issue today is not whether it exists, but just how big is it.

There's no turning back at this point. Obama is our candidate, and if some bigots want to go for his opponent on the basis of race, let them.

is for the Left to walk away from a POSSIBLE Obama loss in November saying "the country just isn't ready for a black president".

Obama has done a stunning historic job of coming out of nowhere to build an amazing energized base of support.  But it remains to be seen if he can switch gears well enough to grab the middle and hold it until November.  He may have won the battle but in his methods cost us the war.  

I KNOW SHE WON'T GET THE NOMINATION, but Clinton has actually done a far better job of using the primary season to set herself up for a strong run in the fall.  She's defined herself in a way that appeals to the masses and the coalition she could have taken into November could have squashed McCain like an ant.  She would have offered a less dramatic choice for folks between herself and McCain -- both familiar names, both seeemingly "tough" on foreign policy, both appearling more middle of the road -- so it could have come down to "who has more in common with GWB."

The gulf between Obama and McCain is far wider and demands a concerted choice from the voter -- a willingness to accept a complete unknown that seems foreign to them, and entity impossible to well pigeon hole.  From the beginning I've been saying, sure the average American is hungry for Change, the question is..how much change are they in the mood for.  We may have grossly overestimated the desire for radical change because, like always, liberals assume everyone should think like them and if they don't they can be educated into liberal ideology.

When it comes to the average working class American shit like lapel pins, crazy preachers and not growing up like Beaver Cleaver matters.  So does sounding like a college professor and not a cowboy.

A lot of this has to do with racism. Kentucky, Mississippi, West Virginia, Tennessee, and others states in the South will trend towards Hillary in the White vote. Things are better but it seems that 30-50% of White voters in these states will not vote for Obama.

We will have to do without them. It is time to move this country fordward.

Race is a bigger issue than gender as you can plainly see.

What's the difference between Oregon and Kentucky?

Simple.

People from Oregon are reasonable and intelligent.

People from Kentucky are stubborn and dumb.

It's not "racism" as such, or being opposed to "elitism."  Most of the people against Obama don't even know why they are against Obama.  Or, they are operating on rumor and innuendo which is utterly detached from reality.

This is not me guessing or casting aspersions.  This comes from watching actual Democratic voters from West Virigina who were dumb enough to allow themselves to be interviewed on television.

They revealed themselves in those interviews.   Ignorant.  Not dumb (or not just dumb), but ignorant.  As in, ignoring facts.  To their own detriment.  I say, forget them.