Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama Inside MoE

During each of the seven days, Gallup daily tracking polls showed the race between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to be effectively tied nationally, within each survey's margin of error. Yesterday the poll showed Clinton leading by 4 points -- also a statistically insignificant margin -- though some pointed to the data as proof that Obama had been "tanking" since denouncing Jeremiah Wright earlier this week. However, today's polling from Gallup makes it the nine straight days in which the spread between Clinton and Obama has been within the margin of error.

Today's results from the Gallup Poll Daily tracking of the Democratic race, based on interviews conducted April 29-May 1, mark the ninth straight day that Clinton and Obama have been statistically tied in the preferences of national Democratic voters. (To view the complete trend since Jan. 3, 2008, click here.)

With 48% of Democrats nationwide backing Clinton for the presidential nomination and 46% favoring Obama, neither candidate can currently claim superiority in popular Democratic support.

Looking backwards, this is also the 12th day out of 15 in which Gallup has pegged this race within the margin of error nationally (not that there is a national primary electorate, per se, or that even if there were there was a singular national primary rather than a series of primaries and caucuses dotted across the country).

There certainly had been a long stretch in which Obama's lead nationally over Clinton was outside the margin of error. However, it appears that that lead disappeared perhaps even before the Pennsylvania primary and certainly by a couple days after balloting in the the state -- seemingly before Wright reinjected himself into the race. Indeed, there is little statistical evidence, at least in Gallup polling, that Obama has been significantly hurt within the national Democratic electorate by the reemergence of Wright last week, with Obama polling a single point below where he was a week ago. This isn't to say that Obama has not taken a hit -- he now trails John McCain, according to Gallup -- but talk of Obama's demise are a bit hasty.



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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

Talks of Obama's demise do seem to be rather hasty, particularly if he performs anywhere near where he's currently polling in NC.

Last 3 NC polls

Obama + 9 - Rasmussen
Obama +11 - ARG
Obama +16 = Zogby


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by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:02:32 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (2.00 / 1)

Notice how the pollsters always have him up higher than he actually performs?

Why is that?

I will call NC +6 for Obama based on a sample size of 0
I will call IN  +10 for Hillary based on a sample size of 0

Lets see how I compare.


by DTaylor on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:05:02 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

Ha ha.


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by Zeitgeist9000 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:07:32 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

Well, that hasn't been true in every state. In fact, in many, Obama overperformed from the polls.

As an Obama supporter, I'd be very happy with the results you've predicted.  With a split like that, the race goes on and Clinton has fewer and fewer chances to pick up delegates. And since NC is larger than IN, Obama could win as many or more delegates than Clinton on Tuesday with those numbers.


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by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:10:01 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (2.00 / 1)

"As an Obama supporter, I'd be very happy with the results you've predicted.  With a split like that, the race goes on and Clinton has fewer and fewer chances to pick up delegates. And since NC is larger than IN, Obama could win as many or more delegates than Clinton on Tuesday with those numbers."

Me too.

Politics is about power.

Whats fair in power is different than what is fair on taxes or at work etc.

If Obama loses his power with voters, which appears to have happened, he will lose.  Pledged delegates, delegates whatever has to move if he is clearly a loser come convention he loses.

Demographically Obama is currently losing the general and he still has Wright, Ayers, and Rezko to deal with.

Hillary also will have issues but experience and the 8 years in the white house stands up better than change under a mud slinging contest.

Obama took a hand and played it very well but he never had a winning hand.

The Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Auchi things were always there.  The experience was always only 2 years US senate and some misc non executive state level stuff.  The personal accomplishments were always 2 books, good speaking (not great be honest)  and average performance in office.

Nothing about Obama's odds in the general have changed.

That was always the hand he had.

The media and apparently the pollsters have been rooting for him all along but he never had what it took.

How can you have Michael Moore and a sizable GOP support?  How do you have liberals and people who vote against liberals vote for the same guy without it falling apart at some point?

His hand wasn't a winner from the start.

Its a real pity he didn't wait 4 or 8 more years.


by DTaylor on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:27:27 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

Christ.  Over-obit much?


by LarsThorwald on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:22:40 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

Thanks for the best laugh I've gotten in a awhile. You could give Colbert's stage persona a run for his money.


by noop on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:49:14 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

Winning NC does not mean he's lost his power with voters.  It means he won a large, diverse state.


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by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:55:58 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

It will mean he won another Southern state where Blacks make up 1/3 of the electorate and where he cannot win in November.


by dembluestates on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:19:06 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

I'll bet you nailed it.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:14:04 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

North Carolina goes to the Obama column with a wider margin of victory.  She's off on that number.

Also. Clinton will have to clear more than a single digit victory in Indiana. 10 points is too close to her campaign kill signal.

The only reasonable assertion you could make is that after next week it's essentially over. The democrats won't allow a carping, kneebiting convention situation where everyone appears confused as to whom their nominee will be. One way or another. We will have our candidate next week, Jerome.

Cash your checks now and post them as deposit
to your account!


by Trey Rentz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:00:10 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (2.00 / 1)

Obama has tended to overperform polls in his strong states (particularly the south), while Hillary exceeds polling averages in her strong strong states. Specifically, Obama overperformed polling averages in SC, GA, AL, MS, VA, and WI. Also, there has been a lot of early voting in NC, so late movement can be deceptive. Recall how late movement for Obama in California fooled a lot of people because it didn't reflect early polling. SUSA, which did poll those who'd already voted, was much closer.

I predict that Obama wins NC by 12. I don't have a clue about IN.


by DPW on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:27:56 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (2.00 / 1)

Hillary proponents need to frame the issue as one of an Obama collapse. It's necessary for them at this point.

Hasty and necessary.


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by alex100 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:09:11 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)


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by alex100 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:09:20 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

She's going to have to poll a lot better than that if she wants to get superdelegates to overturn the elected delegates winner.  I don't know how much better, but I can't see any way they would be overturning based on this.

In North Carolina I'm tending to discount the movement in the polls just because we don't know how many people have already voted, when the polls tended to give him a much wider margin.  Much like California(I believe it was) where he closed in the polls but they didn't take into account all the people had voted early.


by Jakra on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:09:22 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

"Overturn the Elected Delegates" is another crock from Obamabots.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "Elected" delegates and Superdelegates in the value of their vote.  If the elected dels choose to cast their vote for Obama, fine.  It should not matter to the Superdelegates just like it did not matter to the elected delegates that the person next to them voted for Hillary.

The superdelegates' ONLY job, their reason for being, is when a contest is a VIRTUAL TIE, which is exactly where this contest is going.

"Overturn" this.


by dembluestates on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:24:08 PM EST
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Heh (none / 0)

Well, Jonathan, there you go making sense again.  Where do you get off?

;)


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by fogiv on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:11:41 PM EST

Re: Heh (2.00 / 1)

The recommended diary list for today at myDD:

hillary rises!

Watch that girl  go!

hillary's doing great!

oregon - change we can believe in?

Meh. I like Jon. I think he's picked the right horse.


by Trey Rentz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:02:26 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days (none / 0)

Clinton has been running a good race lately (ever since Tuzla).  Obama's numbers have been holding up well against McCain.  To the extent that Clinton has closed the gap with Obama, it seems more accurate to say her stock has been rising, rather than Obama has been falling.


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by soccerandpolitics on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:11:46 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton (none / 0)

So Clinton's momentum from her PA win and Obama's thrashing in the media over Wright has allowed her to surge all the way into the margin of error.

Not exactly impressive.


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by SFValues on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:12:33 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton (none / 0)

Agreed.

The best Clinton has done for a very long time is +4 in any national poll.  And now she's at +2.  For someone who was purportedly surging, with the big mo, it looks like the trend was overstated.  

Of course, that could all change.


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by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:14:31 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton (none / 0)

Well, +2 is still a +12 net improvement since PA. The momentum is clearly there. She's simply had a longer road to travel back up.


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by VAAlex on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:00:09 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton (none / 0)

Clinton has never won anything like the 67% of the caucus vote that Obama won in Colorado, or the 60% odd percent of the vote he carried in Ga,
or Louisiana, or the big showing he made in South Carolina.

In fact, she's really never broken out of single digits in the majority of her wins.

And there wasn't a real bounce coming out of PA, which was surprising at least to me.

I don't know. Maybe she has momentum. Do you really think she will break the single digit trend, and get a good win, in Indiana?


by Trey Rentz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:04:39 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton (none / 0)

She's never broken out of single digits? There's many states where she won by over single digits, NY, RI, OH, MA, NJ, FL, etc.

And there was a real bounce coming out of PA. She came from an avg of about 20 points behind in NC to now single digits. The national polls have all moved in her direction (except 1) and all the latest polls show her ahead in Indiana while previously polls showed a slight Obama lead. This seems like a bounce to me.

Before, it was she needs to win Indiana in order for her to continue. Now she needs to win by double-digits for it to be a 'good win'? I don't think so.


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by VAAlex on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:24:55 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton (none / 0)

Stop, stop, you'll confuse him.

They live in a fantasyland where Hillary never won anything and it's all Obama.

For starters, she won Arkansas with 69% of the vote.


by dembluestates on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:27:28 PM EST
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just the chart (2.00 / 1)

If your saw the headline on the post, it says "Gallup confirms the Obama slide". If you read the context of "tanking" it said, "What seems most noticeable about the polling is that Obama didn't start tanking until after he 'denounced' Wright. Why is that?"

ie, the polling. Not "this poll".  So, here's some tank for you:




Looks like a "tanking" to me.


by Jerome Armstrong on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:13:02 PM EST

Re: just the chart (none / 0)

His support dropped, in one poll, by three points.

You're kidding, right?

What about the slew of other polls - like the Pew poll released yesterday which showed that he did as well as Hillary in a matchup against McCain?

That tanking, too?

Or the poll that shows him ahead in Oregon and winning whites in that state - you know, the people who are abandoning him in droves?

Puh.  Lease.


by TL on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:38:35 PM EST
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Re: just the chart (none / 0)

Jerome---there were times recently in Gallup's polling where Hillary dropped way more against Obama than this three point drop and I didn't see any posts from you about tanking.


by wasder on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:44:33 PM EST
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Re: just the chart (none / 0)

I didn't read Jerome's post. In fact, I've stopped reading all of Jerome's posts. They've gotten way too over the top for me and too far divorced from reality. It's kind of sad.


by jadegirl on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:01:53 PM EST
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Re: just the chart (none / 0)

all i can tell you is wait till next week when hillary loses, and then we'll have jerome back.

he's not that bad, really.
but I still laugh at the one where he said..

"The clinton campaign needs to get the message out about...GUAM"


by Trey Rentz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:06:16 PM EST
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Re: just the chart (none / 0)

Guys, can you please stop the lighthearted stuff as Jerome tries desperately to demonstrate to us that Obama is done though he leads in delegates, popular vote and states won?

He has a poll, a poll, that shows Hillary ahead of Obama, and what do you expect him to do?  That's right, tout that sucker.  This poll is so important, that super delegates should decided now.   This poll is so important that it will NEVER change.  This poll is so important Sen. Clinton has reclaimed the momentum which means...which means...she'll, um, still be behind in delegates, popular vote and states won after Tuesday.  

So remember this poll.  Why didn't the DNC just write into its rules that the nominee would be decided upon the results of the May 2, Gallup Poll and any big state won by a Sen. from New York?


by niksder on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:36:12 PM EST
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Re: just the chart (none / 0)

You're so sad Jerome. Like the poor kid that just can't believe his dog died. Crying and stomping and looking for someone to tell him its not true.
An Obama v. McCain poll is virtually pointless because Obama is not able, yet, to campaign against McCain.
by danfromny on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:05:27 PM EST
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Re: just the chart (none / 0)

Well, he has been campaigning against McCain, but also finds himself campaigning against Hillary.  It is really a sad situation into which we've gotten ourselves.


by zadura on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:31:44 PM EST
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Re: just the chart (none / 0)

Oy Gevalt! McCain is all alone out there, free to rise up in the polls while the two Dems bickerfest.

Of course he's going to rise up!!


by Trey Rentz on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:06:56 PM EST
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Re: just the chart (none / 0)

But today's Gallup is C48, O46 so that is closing back up, no?


by mady on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:52:51 PM EST
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Obama is losing ground for sure, lets see what (none / 0)

the weekend brings us, aside from 2 hours of frenze over a 15year old video! If he wins NC by only a few points and loses IN big, and that leads into a huge loss in WV, not good! I hope thats what happens! only time will tell, can tuesday be here already!!??


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by rigsoHC on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:15:00 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Hillary by 10 points in Indiana??  That would be HUGE! Obama has been ahead there for weeks.  I don't see that happening.  Nor do i see Hillary coming close in North Carolina.  Obama will win N.C. by 9 or 10 points at least.  The demographics favor him.  If Hillary does win Indiana then Obama still can't close the deal and it's on to West Virginia.


by karajan72 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:22:22 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Most of the polls have had her leading.  I don't think it would be that shocking, although a 10 point victory would look nice for her.  It looks like at this point with him winning NC and her winning IN, that we'll be about where we're at now, with Obama keeping(and expanding although I'm not sure how much) his seemingly insurmountable pledged delegate lead.  Only now the math becomes even tougher for her because there are less contests remaining to catch up.


by Jakra on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:37:03 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

A 10-point Clinton win in Indiana would only be 1.6% above the current Pollster.com spread out of Indiana. Assuming an undecided percent of about 7% (the average of the last week or polls) she'd only need to get 23% of the undecided vote to get to 10%.

I don't think it's at all unreasonable.

And, just for the record, Obama has been ahead in only five polls in the last 5 weeks and Hillary's been ahead in 11 polls. They're tied in one poll. Hardly "ahead for weeks". Looks like it was a toss-up until PA, when Indiana started going toward Clinton.


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by forecaster15 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:20:03 PM EST
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Secret weapon. (none / 0)

President Clinton has been making 6 stops a day in rural NC.

She will win NC in an upset.

Game changer indeed.


by gotalife on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:39:05 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Hillary Clinton winning North Carolina would be like Bush winning Massachusetts in the 2004 election.  It ain't gonna happen.  She will be lucky to be within single digits.  Winning Indiana would take a state that Obama was supposed to win.  His own campaign projected they would win Indiana.


by karajan72 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:43:01 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

When each claims about 50% of the vote, it's hardly surprising.  People should take daily tracking polls showing either candidate with a 5+ point lead with a huge grain of salt.  In June, it will still probably be within the margin of error.


by rfahey22 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:49:38 PM EST

McCain (none / 0)

I think his gas tax proposal is giving him a bounce in the polls.


by mikelow1885 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:54:23 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Umm...have you guys seen the new Rasmussen numbers today?  This is why Obama is slipping some in the polls.  58% say Obama denounced the pastor for political convenience.  56% say it's likely that Obama "shares some of pastor Wright's controversial views about the United States.  Only 11% say it's not at all likely. Only 33% of voters believe Obama was surprised by Wright's views.  

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/58_say_obama_denounced _wright_for_political_convenience_not_ou trage


by karajan72 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:59:26 PM EST

Re: (none / 0)

Keep in mind that that polling includes Republicans -- it's not at all surprising that most of them think the worst of the Democratic candidate.

It's not great news, but roughly half the population isn't going to be giving either of the Democratic candidates any benefits of the doubt.  We'll see how much it matters in a month or two when Obama's actually able to talk about something other than Wright.


by ChrisKaty on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:27:59 PM EST
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Wright-Ring Radio (none / 0)

Right-wing radio has talked about Wright, as well as Michelle's "For the first time I'm proud of America" for months.  MONTHS!

Just because it's not on MSNBC and CNN doesn't mean that it's a non-issue with other groups.


by BigBoyBlue on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:17:57 PM EST

Re: Gallup: (2.00 / 1)

Certainly Obama is damaged. There is no doubt there. The way the campaign is acting certainly confirms it.

The question is just how damaged is he? If there is tons of white flight on Tuesday then it will be pretty obvious that he has some very serious problems.


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by Ga6thDem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:43:07 PM EST

Re: Gallup: (none / 0)

Sorry, if anyone is having problems it's Hillary. I love it when the consistant looser who hasn't been able to Close the Deal since she lost the lead super Tuesday. Now has everbody eating the koolaid about how Obama is in trouble. The last time I heard the one with the Lowest Number of Delegates is in TROUBLE. Until that happens Obama is in the Cat seat!


by eddieb on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:11:24 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: (none / 0)

Well, it seems Obama is the one who has problems since he crowned him self the winner in Feb. Since then he's lost every large state.

You just contradicted yourself. Obama's in the cat seat according to you but somehow he can't close the deal? Doesn't sound like a good investment to me.


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by Ga6thDem on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:24:53 PM EST
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Nine Straight Days with ClintonMcsame vs Obama (none / 0)

It sure it tough having two repuglicans agains you! Obama doing amazingly well inspite of the McSame/Clinton siamese Twins.


by eddieb on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:04:41 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

This "contest" has gotten to be like a really bad charade game in which Hillary's propagandists are desperately waving their arms and pointing to their noses trying to convince everyone that the answer is different from what it really is. And the rest of us who know it just have to roll our eyes and wait for the timer to run out on them. Fortunately, it's almost done.


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by Kobi on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:26:56 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Nine Straight Days with Clinton, Obama (none / 0)

No question Clinton has been ahead the last few days in the Gallup, MOE notwithstanding. There is nothing sacrosanct about MOE, it means there is a 95% probability that a number less than 3% out (in Gallu's case). The 95% is a fairly arbitrary cutoff point although widely used. So even a 2% lead by Clinton means she's more liklely to be ahead than behind (or level). When you have a sequence of say, four days of her ahead, the likehood she is only level is very small indeed.

And as Obama was around 10% up a few days earlier, there has indeed been a significant change. Whether it lasts is another matter and the Tuesday primaries will have a noticeable effect one way or the other.


by zebedee on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:10:31 PM EST

EVEN SPLIT? (none / 0)

Democrats evenly split.
Does this mean Democrats will split......into 2 parties?
'08 could be historic in more ways than 2.
by CLK on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:10:39 PM EST

Hillary about ready to get hard by her own Petard (none / 0)

Thats right HRC is going to regret mentioning  the Magnequench plant in Vapraiso.

I guess Bill didn't like American Jobs since he promised them to the Chinese in 2005, when he let the plant be sold in 1995!  

So they left 2 years early whats a few years amongst friends ...

Clinton corporatism has come back to bite HRC  


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by jproctor on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:06:37 PM EST

Re: Hillary about ready to get hard by her own Pet (none / 0)

Another lie told by Obamabots.

The Valpa plant was sold to a conglomerate only part of which was Chinese.

The Valpa plant was legally sold, there was no valid National Security or other reason to justify holding  up the sale.

Trying to spin this Obama's way is just stupid.  But feel free to try, in your desperation.

 


by dembluestates on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:33:50 PM EST
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