Actually, it is disenfrachisement to endorse elections that don't meet basic international standards for being free and fair.

I voted in Florida.  Let me repeat that since it seems to not be sinking in.  I VOTED IN FLORIDA.

I was not disenfranchised.  I voted for an issue and for a mayor... my vote was counted for both of those things.

I was not disenfranchised.

Talk to voters in Indiana who have voted in every single election but will not be able to any more if they do not ave a valid i.d.  They will be able to tell you about disenfranchisement.  Talk to people in the same situation in the other states that have similar proposals to Indiana's that were just waiting for SCOTUS' ruling.  They will tell you about disenfranchisement.

Sounds like the truth NOT propaganda.

Elections that are free and fair...aren't we glad we live in the U.S., and that Florida and Michigan were both of those things?

I say each and everyone of the Clinton supporters here write a letter opposing the color of change position, and letting the Super Delegates know that there are just as many supporters who know that the nomination is not Obama's and that the Super Delegates will hand someone the nomination, based upon their outlook for the GE.

I find it funny that Color of Change, says that race and color are being used to decide the election...and yet they are advocating for Obama based on that fact alone.

Pot meet Kettle?

Where are the obama people, the msm, and others yelling that we should follow the rules?

Where are the people who claim to be honest brokers calling these groups and individuals out on their assault on the Democratic party?

I can honestly say, I will vote for Obama in the fall, but if he loses, we will deserve it.

I'm sort of in a no lose situation:
if hillary wins--that's what I want
if obama wins and then wins in nov.- dems win
if obama wins and then loses--it will be justice

And this is why Hillary won't win the nomination. There's no way they'll side with her. I've known this since February, and I've reconciled with that fact. This sort of thing makes the supers very nervous, and understandably so.

Got for you, for writing that response.

I don't think anyone should cast their vote based on that which is, after all, only skin-deep.

The group is simply saying thata you cannot deny black people a chance to win the nomination because you feel a black person cant win. If a Black canidate wins the delagats and is the front runner, to overturn that by a 80% superdelagate switch would be awful. It would be unfair to say he cant win because he is black when so many Whites have lost as well. You cannot gaurantee a winner in the process. That is what this group is about.

IT IS NOT EVIL... They are just fighting for the People's will to be RESPECTED and not overturned due to presumption of Racism in America.

Who is turning this into a race war?

No one is turning it into a race war. An "irreparable breach between Black people and the Democratic Party" means Black people stop voting for democrats. It doesn't mean they take to the streets and start stringing up whitey. To jump to that conclusion shows that you suffer from some racial anxiety that you would be well served to reflect on rather than projecting it on to people who are making a clear declaration that they expect their votes to be counted and their will to be respected.

As the most loyal voting bloc of the Democratic party, the group without which many Dems would have no chance of winning elections, I think they've earned the right to be taken seriously when they express these concerns (although it remains to be seen how representative the group is of black people in general).

From the Color of Change email:
One of Clinton's key arguments to superdelegates is that America won't elect a Black man, and therefore she's the better choice for Democrats to beat John McCain.

Anyone who disagrees with this statement is disconnected from reality. I don't think it makes Clinton racist, but it does mean she holds her fellow americans in lower esteem than Obama does. I'm pretty confident that if Obama was in the same position with white skin, Clinton would have been chased out of the race back at the end of February. As much as one can find to like and respect about Clinton, she starts with enormous negatives in the eyes of the electorate - she's hardly the bulletproof candidate that so many (stupid) people assumed Kerry to be ("they'd never attack the patriotism of a war hero!!" /naivete).

I, too, wonder if America is ready to elect a black man, but I think this man and this time is as good as time as any to find out. Instead of assuming the worst about my fellow Americans, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. And regardless of who the Democratic nominee is, I'm going to spend the months until the election spreading the word about how dangerous John McCain is.

If this is true it is shocking, and I thought I was beyond shock when it comes to dirty tricks from the Obama camp.  This is about the last straw for me.  I decided when the Obama folks first started the race-baiting that I would never vote for him.  Since then I've been trying to make up my mind whether to vote for McCain or abstain.  

When Obama talks about change he has absolutely no credibility.  He's run a dirty campaign while complaining endlessly about his opponent's tactics.  He's willing to disenfranchise any voters who don't agree with him and he picks and chooses among the rules he will follow.  Add to that his total lack of any real accomplishments in his I-vote-Present political career, and you have a desperately ambitious man with virtually no qualifications who will do anything to get the power he wants.

I know these are harsh words and I don't like writing them, but I fear for my country if we end up with a choice between McCain and Obama.  When Obama talks about uniting the country he is every bit as much of a phony as George W. Bush was when he said "I'm a uniter not a divider."  I realize some Democrats will hate me for saying that, but it's not as if I think Obama would be a good president.  Based on his poor debate performances and his inability to take criticism or even tough questions, plus his lack of accomplishments, I think he would be a disaster.  More and more people are finally seeing through him, so there's not much chance that he would win anyway.

If he is the nominee, I don't know how the Democratic Party could even rebuild after the loss.  He is truly a gift to the Republicans.

You wrote an excellent letter describing what's happening to Obama supporters. They have lost touch with reality, thinking he walks on water, when, in fact, he's simply an elitist distancing himself from the people.

P J Jefferson wrote:

Clearly, if John McCain were black, that group would be sending emails requesting us to donate to the RNC.

If you bothered to look at their web site, you'd see they don't blindly support people of color:

In November, the deceptively titled "Michigan Civil Rights Initiative" will be on Michigan's ballot as Proposal 2. If passed, it would end affirmative action in Michigan, making it the third state to fall victim to a nationwide anti-affirmative action campaign run by Ward Connerly--a Black conservative who wants to abolish affirmative action across the country. Connerly is backed by ultra-right funders, and in Michigan, his campaign is driven by deception. Connerly's group lied to petition signers to get Prop. 2 on the ballot, telling them that it supports affirmative action, when it does the opposite.

We can stop Connerly, but it means doing what we can to make sure Michigan voters know the truth about Proposal 2. Can you make few phone calls to help inform Michigan voters? Our phone-banking tool makes it easy--we'll provide you with a script, names, and phone numbers.

And, boo hoo, you only signed a petition for this organization and then they had the audacity to support a different candidate than yours. I stood out in the freezing cold collecting signatures for Wesley Clark when he was running for President and donated to his campaign. Now his WesPac community blog features a slew of anti-Obama diaries similar to what you see here. I'm not happy about it, but I'll spare ol' Wes a petty email like the one you sent to Color of Change.

Great diary!!! What if you include at least FL, where Obama was on the ballot and lost big? The votes are almost even.

Racism is racism no matter what race it comes from. Nobody is stealing anything from Obama, if he can't close the deal he shouldn't be the nominee.

Why not settle this argument, and count FL and re-vote in MI? Because the Obama campaign would disenfranchise those voters because he LOST.

If they re-vote, he loses his argument that he deserves the nomination.

too, but haven't received that e-mail.   Or at least not yet.  I tend to agree with you that they are way overboard, though not moreso than moveon, dailykos, Olberman, and plenty of other white people.    And, just as I've disavowed and disowned dailykos.com, moveon.org and msnbc, I sadly now have to disavow colorofchange as well.

This is a very good example of the damage that David Axelrod's evil racebaiting strategy has done to the Democratic party, and indeed America.

This is what truly bothers me...to claim that if BHO does not get the nomination, there will be riots and the entire AA community will leave the democratic party.  Doesn't that statement in itself underestimate and denigrate the intelligence of people?  That just because Obama doesn't win, everyone will claim racism and riot?

How does this help the image of Obama trying to bring people together?  To stay above racial division?

your vote actually?  Really?  I couldn't read the rest of your letter because it's not correct.  Obama wasn't even on the damn ballot.

Stealing your vote, I still can't wrap my brain around this.

Hi. Can somebody please explain to me how a PAC that "exists to strengthen Black America's political voice" encouraging its members to vote for Barack Obama any different from EMILY's List, which is "dedicated to building a progressive America by electing pro-choice Democratic women to office," encouraging its members to vote for Hillary Clinton?

The answer is that it's not.

It isn't racist for Blacks to want people to vote for a Black candidate, just as it isn't sexist for women to want people to vote for a female candidate.

As for the charge of sending you propaganda, step back and think about it for a sec. Of course they're going to send you propaganda! They're trying to convince you to support their candidate, so they're going to send you the arguments that support their candidate--in this case the argument that Hillary Clinton would be "stealing" the election if she wins despite Obama having more pledged delegates. It would be exactly the same as EMILY's List sending its members an email that says that Hillary Clinton has won all of the "states that matter" (and, in fact, the description of Sen. Clinton on their website says just that!). That's not impartial. That's propaganda too!

I've noticed a tendency for some MyDD readers--Clinton and Obama supporters--to immediately get upset and/or angry whenever they see anything that supports the candidate they don't like (or rather, I hope, the candidate they like less because they're both exemplary candidates). Everything that any campaign, PAC, or advocacy group ever sends you is propaganda. It is designed to influence your opinion. It may cause you to change your opinion, or it may not, but rest assured that for this and every election cycle they are damn well going to try.

Its funny.  The last diary I posted on Daily Kos was as a Hillary supporter who had Barack in second place.  I received a smear email circulating around the Jewish community about Obama, and posted it on Daily Kos as a heads up to Obama supporters about what was out there in the Jewish community.  I was trying to do them a favor, because we're all Democrats, and because the email was ridiculous and needed to be debunked.

In response, I was labeled a "concern troll" who was only "publishing" the smear to "reach a wider audience".  I was also told, by a woman and mother to a daughter no less, to fuck off and die, for doing nothing more than trying to help the guy who is not my favorite candidate, but is still part of my team.

I GBCW'd from Daily Kos as a direct result of that diary, and came here.

Now, I post a diary containing another smear email I received, again with the same good intentions, and this time I made the Rec List and no one told me to "fuck off and die".

This is great.

I love MyDD, not because its a Hillary site and Daily Kos is an Obama site, but because the minority view is far more respected around here than it is over there, and because there are far fewer accusations of "concern trolling", less paranoia, less group-think, etc. around here.

Thanks, admins, for doing your best to make this site habitable to the minority and the majority alike.

Have a great weekend everyone!

My only comment is that sencient advice of my mother.."be careful of what you ask for you just might get it.."

The Color of Change is all gonna be for the Black Americans...For the good of the Black Americans, putting Black leaders to cater to the Black Community.

Color of Change doesn't care about America...
and Obama is just an ambitious man who doesn't really care about Americans.  And these group of people are minorities, they cannot and should not intimidate the will of the majority.  

Also, how about the Asian-Americans, native Americans, Middle-Eastern's, Latino's, and White people.  How about their votes?  Florida? Michigan? Is it right to disenfranchised some voters because of the rules; well, the rule also says that whoever get the most delegates (INCLUDING Superdelegates) and a total of 2040, will be the nominee. So anyone can just pick a certain rule to follow??

The racism in this post is shocking. Not because racism doesnt happen but because it's the most reccomended diary on mydd? "Those people" are pushing  for Obama because of his skin color? Just wow. You'd have said the same of a group pushing for Hillary because she's white eh? Disturbing more than anything.

And your victimhood is astonishing. Everyone, everyone knows what went on in michigan and florida. Everyone intelligent enough to be politically  active in the democratic party knows also how very utterly false the "clinton is winning the popular vote" spin is as well. To take those up as shields for your victimhood?  How very utterly dishonest and dishonorable. You dont agree with the other candidates to discount the two primaries then change your mind because it is advantageous. You dont make sure and put your name on a ballot in the same then claim that, while sure the other candidate wasnt on the ballot as they were honoring  their pledge, you somehow won that popular vote. You dont at the same time discount all the states whos process is the caucus while claiming to stand for integrity. The hypocrasy and racism in this post is truely astonishing. But it is far more astonishing to see that mydd users as a group believe this should be the number one diary.

I guess we should expect that though. When the front page is dominated by "Hillary and McCains near identical expert refuted energy ideas" and how Hillarys is better .. and no mention of Obamas this place has gone round  the bend.

And that is sad. Because despite the blog owners slight case of nuttery re Obama vs Clinton this blogs users have generally gotten a bad rap. With some of the front page posters being strong Clinton advocates but not whackjobs. It seems though that the honest passionate Hillary supporters have been shown the door in favor of the racists, the nutjobs and the closet neocons. Sad indeed.

It is saying don't let the supderdelegates overturn the people's vote.  Which part of that do you disagree with?

I thought I was a people. Have I been kidding myself all this time? Which people/voters wishes are being overturned if Hillary gets the nomination?  Hillary voters can match Obama's millions of votes with our millions of votes.

What a bunch of crap. Obama people think they are the only voters or people with opinions that count in this campaign. A bunch of self centered entitled bullies sent this message to you. Seems the peoples choice is now Clinton as much as it ever was Obama.  

cooked up a campaign to smear Clinton.
They DOCTORED and RE-EDITED a clip to say that
Indiana people are "White Niggers,"  and tried to
attribute it to a supporter.  The guy started a suit
with YouTube and got it taken off.

This is what Obama Maniacs are doing now.

The Hate Rhetoric over AA radio stations against
Clinton is so bad, I can't listen.

I am terrified this guy could actually become our president.

If you tone down the histrionics and name calling, we might all benefit by giving this issue the thorough and civil discourse it demands of us as Democrats.  

First, Senator Obama did not disenfranchise Democratic primary voters in Michigan or Florida, their very own state Party leaders did that. When the Party leaders in these states tried to have their primaries earlier than our national Party wanted, they were given the choice of persisting and not having their primary results counted, or desisting, having their primaries when they always did, and having the results of their primaries count.  Don't blame Obama or any other candidate.  Blame your state's Democratic party leaders.

But you knew that already.  Anyone who's tuned in enough to post to mydd, dailykos, or similar sites does.  So, the real question becomes why you're posturing umbrage in the face of Democratic voters of color who feel they have a legitimate beef with superdelagates IF and when the latter group overturns the primary process and hands the nomination to a candidate who will not then (in the scenario feared) have won the most states, the most delegates, and popular vote?  Playing like you don't know the real deal with Michigan's and Florida's results being rejected by our national Party is just spin on your part.  Playing that you're outraged for such spun "disenfranchisement" is offensive when you do it to Democrats of color who will have a very probable charge of racism to level at superdelegates IF they were ever to overturn the nomination contest's aggregate results, given the amount of race-baiting and racism I believe Senator Clinton's camp has injected into this primary contest.

Shame on you.  I'm a white guy, 50, and agree that Color of Change would have a legitimate beef IF the scenario they fear were to occur at the hands of Democratic superdelegates. I support their petition.  

Keep your histrionics, name calling, and ad hominem attacks to yourself.  They have no place in our Party, just as Senator Clinton's campaign's  race-baiting has no part in our Party.