Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda

Many of you know Color of Change as a grassroots organization.  Instead of telling you what they do, I'll let them set the stage:

ColorOfChange.org exists to strengthen Black America's political voice. Our goal is to empower our members--Black Americans and our allies--to make government more responsive to the concerns of Black Americans and to bring about positive political and social change for everyone.

And how they do it:

Using the Internet, we will enable our members to speak in unison, with an amplified political voice. We will keep them informed about the most pressing issues for Black people in America and give them ways to act. We will lobby elected representatives using email, the telephone, and face-to-face meetings. We'll bring attention to the needs and concerns of Black folks by holding coordinated events in different parts of the country, running TV and print advertisements, and demanding that the news media cover our issues. We will also work with other groups--online efforts and other organizations that are doing related work--to magnify our impact.

So how did I - - - a caucasian - - - get involved with Color of Change, you ask?  Simple, during the Jena Six scandal, I received an email from Color of Change, and signed petitions in favor of the release of African American kids from jail as a result of bogus convictions from a racially charged incident.  

Today, I received a very different kind of email from Color of Change.  

Dear [PJ Jefferson],
Some leaders in the Democratic Party are playing with fire. They think that they can betray the will of millions of voters and choose Hillary Clinton as the nominee, regardless of whether or not she is the choice of the voters. We can't let this happen. It would be the largest disenfranchisement in modern history, and it would mean the Democratic Party giving their stamp of approval to a clear and consistent pattern of race-baiting by the Clinton campaign.

If we make our voices heard, we can stop it. Please join us in signing an open letter to leaders in the Democratic Party -- DNC Chair Howard Dean, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, and all superdelegates -- demanding that they reject an outcome that involves trampling voting rights and legitimizing the politics of division and fear:

http://colorofchange.org/dems/?id=1964-1 51782

By the time the last vote is cast on June 3rd under the rules of the Democratic Party, it's unlikely Hillary Clinton will beat Barack Obama among voters.1 But there's a chance that superdelegates will hand Clinton the nomination anyway.

This would be a shocking attack on democracy, and it would destroy the Democratic Party's credibility on protecting the right to vote. Black people have a long history of fighting against voter suppression, and now the Democratic Party will be the enemy in that fight. As bad as that would be, there's another reason that a coup by party insiders would threaten racial progress.

Senator Clinton's plan to have superdelegates hand her the nomination relies on a parallel strategy -- she has to stoke enough division and race-based fear among Democratic voters to convince superdelegates that white voters will not vote for Senator Obama in the general election.2 One of Clinton's key arguments to superdelegates is that America won't elect a Black man, and therefore she's the better choice for Democrats to beat John McCain.3,4 While she makes that argument in private to superdelegates, in public, Clinton's campaign and her surrogates are doing everything they can to damage Barack Obama by ginning up fear and division and playing to the worst instincts of our society. It's an insult to Black people and all Americans, Obama and Clinton supporters alike.

The pattern has been clear and consistent to some party leaders. Last week, according to the Washington Post, James Clyburn -- who as House Majority Whip remains neutral and is the highest ranking Black member of Congress -- accused the Clintons of marginalizing Black voters.5 Referring to this strategy in another interview, Clyburn said that "Nothing in this campaign has been by accident."6

Congressman Clyburn warned that "black people are incensed" over the divisiveness of the Clinton strategy and that it threatens an irreparable breach between Black people and the Democratic Party.7 He's right. And if superdelegates hand Clinton a victory despite her defeat among voters, they will be condoning and rewarding that strategy.

Some party leaders have expressed strong concern about superdelegates overruling voters.8,9 But as a whole, superdelegates have not made it clear that they will respect the will of voters. Today, we want to send a clear, unequivocal message to superdelegates and other party leaders: Reject the idea that the nomination can be won with a strategy that preys on racism, sows division, and disenfranchises millions of voters.

Please join us:

http://colorofchange.org/dems/?id=1964-1 51782

-- James, Van, Gabriel, Clarissa, Mervyn, Andre, and the rest of the ColorOfChange.org team
   May 2nd, 2008

References:

1. "Analysis: Time, delegate math working against Clinton," AP, 04-18-2008
http://tinyurl.com/3rzn45

2. Keith Olbermann Special Comment on Clinton Campaign, MSNBC, 03-12-2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ2JtUmB3 kc

3. "Mark Halperin Explains the Clinton Argument for Staying In," Mark Halperin on FOX News, 03-28-2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ3Gyum44 34

4. "Clinton ally: Some whites 'not ready' for Obama," AP, 02-12-2008
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23134717/

5. "Party Fears Racial Divide," Washington Post, 04-26-2008
http://tinyurl.com/4aoj6h

6. "Vexing Issue for the Clinton Campaign: What to Make of Bill?," New York Times, 04-29-2008
http://tinyurl.com/475g5b

7. "Black Leader in House Denounces Bill Clinton's Remarks," The Caucus, 04-24-2008
http://tinyurl.com/3hn8aj

8. "Brazile: I'll Quit DNC Position Over Superdelegates," News & Notes, 02-11-2008
http://tinyurl.com/4emgl3

9. "Brazile: Howard Dean And Other Party Leaders Should Be Prepared To Step In," TPM Election Central, 03-05-2008
http://tinyurl.com/3dfm6s

Note how Color of Change links to articles from Obama propaganda shills and career Clinton bashers.  Keith Olbermann?  Sure, what's he got to say about the Clintons?  I'm sure its good, right?  Donna Brazile?  Can't wait to hear what she thinks about Hillary vs. Barack.  

And here is my response sent via email:

How dare you send me this email.

I am a Michigan voter, and the candidate that you are shilling for, just because he's the same skin color as you, has stolen my vote and disenfranchised me and millions of other voters - hundreds of thousands of them being African American.  

Where was your email to me showing a campaign by your group to ensure that my vote is counted in Michigan?  

Where does Color of Change stand on Obama's efforts to disenfranchise millions of voters, many African American, in Florida, although his name was on the ballot and if anything he campaigned more than Hillary there?

Why are you coming forward about this now, other than to scare white people into voting for the black guy, or urge black people to be ready to riot?

In addition, I can't figure out the premise of your email at all.  Do you believe that Barack Obama can win the nomination without Superdelegates any more than Hillary can "steal" it with Superdelegates?  Do you have a rule-book stating that Superdelegates are required to vote based on the pledged delegate count, the popular vote, only counting votes for Obama, etc.?

I supported your cause during the Jena Six case.  I was also a member of Moveon.org, until it became an Obama propaganda outlet, at which point I quit, unsubscribed to its email list, and joined the ACLU instead.  

Well, now that your group has come out as a shill for the Obama campaign, I want no part of it.

Take me off your email list, and forget about my help the next time some poor kid gets locked up for no reason.  Just go tell Barack Obama, the superchangerificpostracialunifyer to get him out of jail.

Have a nice life, and don't forget to take me off your email list.

[PJ Jefferson]

I'm glad I helped the kids in the Jena Six fiasco, but I wish I was never associated with this group, Color of Change.    They don't care about justice, equality, freedom, etc.  All they care about, as an organization, is to ensure the black guy gets elected, regardless of his credentials.  

Who is turning this into a race war?  Clinton?  Really?  Here's an African American organization suggesting that the only way Obama can possibly lose is if white people steal their votes, and then calling them to action to stop it.  

At the end, I was fully expecting to see a sentence suggesting where to buy torches for the riots at the Convention.

Update: Reference to McCain removed in deference to comments below.

Display:


Tips, flames, calls for riots? (2.00 / 20)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:01:16 PM EST

These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 5)

This is NOT the way to bring about change in this country. I am convinced that behind Obama there is some kind of evil force that is trying to STOP CHANGE IN THIS COUNTRY in the worst possible ways. I am not a religious person but my mother was and when I see stuff like this I can't help but remember a quote from the Bible she used to use often "by their fruit shall you know them" or something like that.

Please understand that HILLARY is the candidate that clearly cares more about poor people. HILLARY is the candidate that is struggling to PREVENT this country from being TORN APART by economic forces BEYOND OUR CONTROL.

Black people and ALL people win with Hillary. Obama increasingly looks like a wolf in sheeps clothing to me. If he is nominated, or even elected (doubtful) I don't think it will end well.

This is me, speaking from my heart. Listen, don't listen. Its real.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:15:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Your a conspiracy Nut...GET HELP NOW (2.00 / 6)

   So they chose a first term black senator as there dark horse(forgive the pun) to sneak into the white house to stop change. Or was it they chose him to lose against McCain.

  I hope you know your crazy just stop following the race for a bit you might get better.

  Maybe Aliens are secretly controlling Obama's brain and there are a network of psychic satilites manipulating weak minded voters.

  That sounds crazy, just read your own post. This is the nuttiest thing I have read so far on mydd congradulations. I dont look foward to awarding the great CRAZY prize again.


by edtastic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:38:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your a conspiracy Nut...GET HELP NOW (1.57 / 7)

That post really was pretty stunning.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:41:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your a conspiracy Nut...GET HELP NOW (2.00 / 4)

Pretty hilarious!


by Democratic Unity on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:28:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your a conspiracy Nut...GET HELP NOW (2.00 / 1)

Downrated for a bald careless insult to the contributor with no substance to back your contention.  Check out the site's rules for more info.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:58:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Your a conspiracy Nut...GET HELP NOW (2.00 / 1)

How dare they say things you dont agree with! Silence the heretics! Buuurn them buuuurn them!

Good lord they miss ya over at freerepublic?


I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever Thomas Jefferson
by cdreid on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:08:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Aliens for Obama!!! n/t (2.00 / 3)


by Same As It Ever Was on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:10:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 3)

I can't help myself from asking. Who/What is the evil force behind Obama?


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:55:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 3)

Thanks for asking!

It starts with the trilateral commission, but it doesn't end there. The people who control the people who control the stock market (next week) are also big players, along with the ATF, which has been flying planes over my house for decades and spying on me with x-rays.

The problem is that it's too late. They're all in way too deep. It would be more damaging to reverse course right now and nominate Hillary because that's what THEY want us to try to do. We need to just sit tight and it'll all be over soon. Make sure you stock up on water bottles (not from Europe, where the New World Order has control and may have contaminated them), but the American kind.


by Democratic Unity on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:32:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 3)

If you line a baseball cap with tinfoil, it helps cut down on their ability to do the mind-scan... at least it worked for me... I think...

Wait... incoming transmission.... MUST.TAKE.OVER.THE.WORLD.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:53:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 3)

They just told me to eat 4,000 raisins and then to run out to the I95 median and sing the entire 2nd act of "Phantom of the Opera" at the top of my lungs.

I'll see you in a couple of days.


by Democratic Unity on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:44:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 3)

Have fun... I'll talk to you if I'm back... this taking over the world thingy takes some time...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:53:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 3)

Thank god that was you singing, I thought I was having a flashback from that little incident I had at the opera in 1978.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:44:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 2)

Jen, tinfoil doesn't work anymore- the government has adulterated it with nickel (or maybe cadmium? Or is it cadbury?), which is why it no longer works.
Duct tape and plastic sheeting is the best.
by skohayes on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:14:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 1)

Damn that cadbury....!  I knew something was wrong... or at least the voices in my head told me something was wrong....


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:15:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: These tactics are REALLY EVIL.. (2.00 / 5)

This is literally the funniest comment I've read in months.

I'm emailing it to a bunch of friends with the title, "Typical Hillary Clinton Supporter?"


by Democratic Unity on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:27:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Tips, flames, calls for riots? (none / 0)

You really think if McCain was black they'd be supporting him?  Did they support Ken Blackwell in Ohio?  Or Vernon Robinson in NC?  Or Alan Keyes in the Republican and now the Constitution party?  


John McCain: Healthcare for Kids? In America? No way
by bosdcla14 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:03:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

More race baiting on MyDD (1.50 / 2)

Are there any real Democrats left on this site, or is it all freepers and PR embeds at this point?

Shameful.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:35:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (1.66 / 6)

Actually, it is disenfrachisement to endorse elections that don't meet basic international standards for being free and fair.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:03:02 PM EST

Basic international standards of free and fair. (1.87 / 8)

Trust me.  The Michigan election met those standards.  I voted.  I know.  If you did not vote in Michigan, PLEASE do not claim otherwise.  Just ignore this comment, and avoid an argument.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:06:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Basic international standards of free and fair (2.00 / 5)

How could the Michigan elections be said to meet international standards for being free and fair when the names of some of the major candidates were not even on the ballot?

That's the kind of election you have in authoritarian states.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:14:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Didn't Obama remove his own name? (2.00 / 9)

or something like that?

And he's blocking a revote.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:23:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yup, and since he removed his name... (2.00 / 9)

under International Standards, he was not a candidate for POTUS on the MI ballot.

This is a great diary - and should be re-posted far and wide.

Unbelievable.

And when race relations crumble to a new low when Hillary becomes the legitimate nominee, you know who will be blamed...HRC.  She's responsible for everything wrong in this world.

I have said for 3 months that Barack Obama and his campaign has destroyed race relations and returned us to 50 years ago.

Sad.  So sad.


by CoyoteCreek on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:29:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, and since he removed his name... (2.00 / 4)

This doesn't pass the sniff test.

Imagine there's an election in a province in Russia. Candidates are told that the election process wasn't according to the rules so it won't count. Everyone takes their name off the ballot except one major candidate and a few minor candidates. when the major candidate gets the most votes, how is this seen in the world?  Like a big, phony exercise and no one would respect the result.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:36:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What about the revote then? (2.00 / 7)

I would expect then that Obama would welcome a revote..

what gives?


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:19:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What about the revote then? (none / 0)

The problem with the revote that I heard about was that any Democrats who had voted in the Republican primary could not participate.  There was an effort on a few progressive blogs for Democrats to vote for Romney.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:50:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That sounds legitimate to me.. (2.00 / 7)

Honestly, I think its wrong and devious to vote in another party's primaries to mess up their choice. As much as I dislike the GOP, they have the SAME right as we do to select their party's nominee without interference.

So, I say, DO the revote.. Thats an EXTREMELY PATHETIC excuse not to.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:57:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That sounds legitimate to me.. (none / 0)

Don't know what to tell you....

I think the time, logistically speaking, to do a revote is passed...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:54:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: What about the revote then? (2.00 / 3)

As it should be. One person, one vote. Don't like the way you voted? Too bad. There is nothing about election laws to make allowances for buyer's remorse.


by LakersFan on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:13:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Why not imagine its not Russia, but the U.S.? (2.00 / 2)

Imagine if Edwards and Obama got together and tried to pull a fast one on Clinton - and got burned - not in Russian, but right here in the U.S.

Imagine that.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:22:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Why not imagine its not Russia, but the U.S.? (1.00 / 1)

Wow. You really have gone round the bend.

So Edwards and Obama got together in secret and conspired to take the nomination that Hillary isnt winning away from hillary by agreeing not to run or count those results if they didnt follow the Party guidelines and then they used secret mind control techniques to get Hillary and her advisors to agree to the same thing?

Seriously is lithium THAT expensive?


I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever Thomas Jefferson
by cdreid on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:14:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Too simplistic (2.00 / 4)

especially when certain candidates removed their names from the MI ballot in order to effectively gerrymander that primary out of existence.
by linc on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:15:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, and since he removed his name... (none / 0)

If this was 50 years ago, Obama would not be the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:37:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Yup, and since he removed his name... (2.00 / 1)

neither would a woman. what's your point?


by swissffun on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:39:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He pulled his name (as did Edwards) (2.00 / 6)

to pander to Iowa voters who had expressed great outrage toward their neighbor to the North.   And guess who won in IOWA?  Obama and Edwards.

Thing is, they didn't pull their names off the FL ballot.  Of the three, Hillary was the only one who was consistent.  The others played a game by pulling off one but not the other.

Now who is disingenuous?


by miker2008 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:22:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He pulled his name (as did Edwards) (1.50 / 2)

Are you insane?

You might like to rewrite history, it being fun n all. But you might remember Hillary joined them and the party in agreeing not to count MI and FL if they didnt meet the party requirements. Its just that it later became advantageous for Hillary to go back on her word. And that is somehow some evil Obama/Edwards conspiracy?

Seriously did i accidentally wander onto freerepublic? The conspiracy wingnuttery, immunity to  reality and revisionism here is stunning.


I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever Thomas Jefferson
by cdreid on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:17:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: He pulled his name (as did Edwards) (2.00 / 1)

I can't help but notice that your response to miker had nothing at all to do with what he actually said.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:44:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Ok, then explain why Obama (2.00 / 1)

and Edwards pulled their names ONLY off MI ballot, not FL?


by miker2008 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 09:22:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Ok, then explain why Obama (2.00 / 2)

Because Florida law doesn't permit them to remove their names. Try again.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:56:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Half right. (none / 0)

Just for the sake of clarity and precision:

Florida law doesn't permit primary candidates to remove their names from the primary election ballot and still have them on the general election ballot.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat May 03, 2008 at 10:11:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Only half an explanation ... (none / 0)

Then why not leave them on the MI ballot as well?


by miker2008 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:35:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Because Michigan has no such restrictions. (none / 0)

But a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest, I suppose.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:21:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Then why remove them from the (none / 0)

MI ballot?   Try again.


by miker2008 on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:35:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Then why remove them from the (none / 0)

Because Michigan allows them to. In order to abide by the meaning of their pledge which included "not partipat[ing]" in the contests they had a duty to remove their names from the ballot wherever it was feasible to do so.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Sat May 03, 2008 at 04:36:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Basic international standards (2.00 / 1)

I'm always leery of what someone has to say when it starts with "trust me". I can't believe that people are still making this argument. And by the way, Obama isn't my first choice, but I will vote for the democrat on the ballot in the GE.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:38:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dumest argument I've ever heard. (1.50 / 2)

This issue isn't subjective.  Your presence makes no difference to the fairness of the election.  Hillary and Obama and the Democratic party agreed upon the terms of the election and MI failed to meet those terms.


by dystopianfuturetoday on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:32:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dystopian an Obama troll? If not explain, TR nt (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:32:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]

And Jimmy Carter to the rescue ... (2.00 / 1)

oh, I guess, not so much, some disconnect there when Carter's own country's voters are being disenfranchised. No bold public statements from him.

Frankly, I'd welcome leaders from the third world to come over here and talk to the likes of Dean and Brazile about the terrible job they are doing running the DNC because they are disenfranchising voters.  Those two have become latter day Katherine Harris mimics.


by Molee on Fri May 02, 2008 at 08:07:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (2.00 / 5)

I voted in Florida.  Let me repeat that since it seems to not be sinking in.  I VOTED IN FLORIDA.

I was not disenfranchised.  I voted for an issue and for a mayor... my vote was counted for both of those things.

I was not disenfranchised.

Talk to voters in Indiana who have voted in every single election but will not be able to any more if they do not ave a valid i.d.  They will be able to tell you about disenfranchisement.  Talk to people in the same situation in the other states that have similar proposals to Indiana's that were just waiting for SCOTUS' ruling.  They will tell you about disenfranchisement.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:06:48 PM EST

Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (2.00 / 3)

International election monitors would not certify FL as having fair and free elections.

One of their criteria is that all candidates have the ability to campaign and organize fully and openly.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:15:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

both candidates were on the ballot in FL I heard.. (2.00 / 4)

I didn't know that, but if its true, then i think those people's votes should be counted.

If Obama's people insist on a revote, then, so be it, have one, but if not, count the original votes.

what could possibly be complicated or wrong about that?


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:03:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Well let's start with who'd going to pay for it. (2.00 / 1)

And move to the fact that the Florida Democratic Party (dominated by Clinton supporters by the way) have no interest in and have actively worked against a revote).

That's enough for now.   (There's lots more reason if you can argue around these).


by Same As It Ever Was on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:14:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (2.00 / 4)

Sounds like the truth NOT propaganda.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:10:44 PM EST

This is the truth? (2.00 / 9)

Some leaders in the Democratic Party are playing with fire. They think that they can betray the will of millions of voters and choose Hillary Clinton as the nominee, regardless of whether or not she is the choice of the voters.

The suggestion is that Obama has already won, and Clinton is working the refs before the decision is announced.

That is PURE propaganda - CONSISTENT propaganda.  COORDINATED propaganda.

We can't let this happen. It would be the largest disenfranchisement in modern history, and it would mean the Democratic Party giving their stamp of approval to a clear and consistent pattern of race-baiting by the Clinton campaign.

The propaganda here is that Hillary has been "race baiting".  The reality is neither is guilty or both are guilty, depending on your standards.

By the time the last vote is cast on June 3rd under the rules of the Democratic Party, it's unlikely Hillary Clinton will beat Barack Obama among voters.1 But there's a chance that superdelegates will hand Clinton the nomination anyway.

Who said the criteria for Superdelegates is supposed to be the popular vote on June 3rd?  PURE PROPAGANDA.

This would be a shocking attack on democracy, and it would destroy the Democratic Party's credibility on protecting the right to vote. Black people have a long history of fighting against voter suppression, and now the Democratic Party will be the enemy in that fight.

Translation of the propaganda.  "If Obama is leading the popular vote on June 3rd and Hillary gets more Superdelegates, it will automatically have to be considered "voter suppression".

As bad as that would be, there's another reason that a coup by party insiders would threaten racial progress.

See, if Clinton gets both pledged delegate and Supedelegate votes, she has perpetrated a "coup". On the other hand, Color of Change seems to believe that Obama can win without a single Superdelegate (or again, that if a Superdelegate doesn't vote for the candidate with the popular vote lead on June 3rd, he/she's a racist).

Senator Clinton's plan to have superdelegates hand her the nomination relies on a parallel strategy

Smell the propaganda yet???  How does Obama win without Superdelegates "handing him the nomination"?

she has to stoke enough division and race-based fear among Democratic voters to convince superdelegates that white voters will not vote for Senator Obama in the general election.

In other words, Hillary can only win by racism.  Not by anything else she could possibly say to a Supedelegate.  Naw, that's not propaganda.

One of Clinton's key arguments to superdelegates is that America won't elect a Black man, and therefore she's the better choice for Democrats to beat John McCain.

Even if true, which is a big if, that is not racism.  Its appealing to Supedelegates using one of a hundred different valid arguments.  To call it racism or backroom disenfranchisement is PROPAGANDA.

I could go on and dissect the rest, but I'm getting bored.


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:00:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is the truth? (2.00 / 3)

holy sh**balls!  i cannot believe that this was sent out.  you should send it to the media - although its unlikely they"ll cover it.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:29:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is the truth? (2.00 / 1)

Who said the criteria for Superdelegates is supposed to be the popular vote on June 3rd?

Hillary Clinton is desperately trying to make that argument. It is, after all, her last hope. She can't catch up among commited delegates, and her only hope of an argument for SD's is if she can win the popular vote.


by Mystylplx on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:57:26 PM EST
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Re: This is the truth? (2.00 / 1)

Hillary is not making that argument; her supporters are.  Big difference.

Hillary's argument is premised on electability and counting all the votes (that means 50 states, not 48 states).  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:05:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is the truth? (2.00 / 1)

I've heard her say it myself. She most certainly IS making that argument.


by Mystylplx on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:19:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This is the truth? (2.00 / 1)

It's a valid criterion.  Nothing wrong with it.  

By the way, Mystylplx, I don't appreciate you following me around and giving me troll ratings just because you don't agree with me.  


by PlainWords on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:38:41 PM EST
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Re: This is the truth? (2.00 / 1)

PJ you're spot on...Thanks for putting forth the effort to "answer" this load of crap...I'm bored with their twisted whining also...


by grego101 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 07:30:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (2.00 / 6)

Elections that are free and fair...aren't we glad we live in the U.S., and that Florida and Michigan were both of those things?

I say each and everyone of the Clinton supporters here write a letter opposing the color of change position, and letting the Super Delegates know that there are just as many supporters who know that the nomination is not Obama's and that the Super Delegates will hand someone the nomination, based upon their outlook for the GE.

I find it funny that Color of Change, says that race and color are being used to decide the election...and yet they are advocating for Obama based on that fact alone.

Pot meet Kettle?


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:11:15 PM EST

Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (2.00 / 2)

There are very clear standards for free and fair elections and these races do not meet them.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:16:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

then show us the intl law with those (none / 0)

very clear standards.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:47:31 PM EST
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Re: then show us the intl law with those (2.00 / 3)

Free and fair elections imply electoral processes and systems which are conducted openly and transparently. Also, it is important that competing parties and candidates have the ability to campaign and spread their message to the voters, without fear of reprisal. The best way to insure free and fair elections is to insure there is professional, independent, and transparent election administration.

From
http://usinfo.state.gov/usinfo/Archive/2 006/Jul/13-323205.html


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:07:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: then show us the intl law with those (none / 0)

I would say that for a primary, the party sets the standards or is the election administration.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:15:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: then show us the intl law with those (2.00 / 1)

Under that definition the Florida primary certainly qualifies as free and fair. And definitely in the context where the cost is denying voters representation at the convention, we can allow the minor imperfections in Florida, the kind of imperfections and inadequacies common in all elections.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:24:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: then show us the intl law with those (none / 0)

However, it is left to the election administration, the party. to decide.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:41:42 PM EST
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Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (2.00 / 2)

you havent the least clue on what is free and fair. Pls stop this mind-numbing nonsense. International standards on free and fair elections have absolutely nothing to do with candidates volunatarily taking their names off the ballot. International standards have to do with candidates not being deliberately kept out of the ballot or campaign process. Stupidity doesnt even begin to describe how far the bots will go to blindly follow the savior.

Find an international standard that says the election is not free and fair if the candidate pulls his name out of the ballot. Its as if we have 8 year olds from DKOS making arguments here.
Jeez, the signal/noise ratio from the obama crowd is like 0.00001


by pdxarch on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:02:04 PM EST
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Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (2.00 / 2)

I would also question whether a party's decision not to allow campaigning or organizing  (versus the state) by their own candidates would qualify as an unfair election.
Since no one campaigned, none of the candidates has an advantage over another.
by skohayes on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:23:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (none / 0)

"8 year olds from Dkos making arguments here"...?  

I realize it probably makes you giggle to type such a line, but to dismiss an argument with such a stupid line makes me wonder who the immature one is...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:19:51 AM EST
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Re: Response to Color of Change Obama Propaganda (none / 0)

well, you too!! isnt argument. Its only a valid argument in the bot bizarro world. If you had any worthwhile one, you would have just supplied the international standard that says that the election is not free and fair if the candidate withdraws his name volunatarily. This is the kind of arguments 8 year olds make. Hence the comment. Actually I know 8 year olds who dont make this kind of nonsensical argument. Now you can prove you are smarter than an 8 year old by showing an international requirement as I mention above.


by pdxarch on Sat May 03, 2008 at 02:47:40 PM EST
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I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 4)

Where are the obama people, the msm, and others yelling that we should follow the rules?

Where are the people who claim to be honest brokers calling these groups and individuals out on their assault on the Democratic party?

I can honestly say, I will vote for Obama in the fall, but if he loses, we will deserve it.

I'm sort of in a no lose situation:
if hillary wins--that's what I want
if obama wins and then wins in nov.- dems win
if obama wins and then loses--it will be justice


by yellowdem1129 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:11:23 PM EST

Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 6)

Obama people are saying that we should follow the rules.  


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:17:02 PM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 2)

does this change the fact that MORE people voted for her?


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 04:31:16 PM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (none / 0)

Except that MORE people voted for him. Even if you count Florida and Michigan (counting Michigan means you have to count the 'uncommited' voters for Obama) then he's still 100,000 votes ahead. If you insist on counting Michigan without counting the 'uncommited' votes for Obama then you just want to cheat.


by Mystylplx on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:01:44 PM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 1)

"Uncommitted" doesn't sound like "Barack Obama" to me.  Either way, Hillary's going to get a huge boost her to her tally after Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Puerto Rico.  Obama fans were hoping North Carolina would be such a blowout that it would help offset Hillary's advantages, including her 210,000 vote victory in Pennsylvania.  Now North Carolina will be such a small Obama victory that it may not even offset Indiana.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:08:56 PM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 1)

The Obama people in Michigan worked very hard to convince Obama voters to vote "uncommited."


by Mystylplx on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:21:18 PM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 3)

What about John Edwards' voters or Joe Biden's? Why should Obama get all of the uncommitted votes?


by skohayes on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:25:36 PM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (none / 0)

Hmmmm... last time I checked, neither of those gentlemen were still in the running...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Sat May 03, 2008 at 03:21:01 AM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (none / 0)

They were in the running when the Michigan primary was held. Why should Obama automatically receive the credit for those votes, when there were obviously people who still supported Edwards and Biden and also voted uncommitted?
Shall we similarly appoint the delegates for voters who voted for Kucinich, Dodd and Gravel to Hillary? I don't think so.
by skohayes on Sat May 03, 2008 at 09:23:07 AM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 2)

cheat?  lol.  is it not a fact that more people pulled a lever for HRC than BO or anyone else?  forget about pledged delegates, the DNC rules, etc.  yes or no?  i thought so.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:11:22 PM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (1.33 / 3)

Not unless you count Michigan, and he wasn't even on the ballot there. I guess when you say "forget" you also mean "forget that Hillary Clinton herself promised that Michigan wouldn't count."

But then, when has Hillary Clinton ever kept a promise.


by Mystylplx on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:22:59 PM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 2)

you are avoiding the question.  forget about BO. did more people pull the lever for her than anyone else?  the answer is yes.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:26:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 1)

Are you only counting states where the voting mechanism involves a lever now?


by Tatan on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:44:19 AM EST
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Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (none / 0)

The answer is "no." Even counting Florida and Michigan the answer is still "no."


by Mystylplx on Wed May 07, 2008 at 02:51:44 PM EST
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not here anyway (2.00 / 1)

the rules say nothing about the supers following anything but their own decision making process.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:59:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 2)

They are saying that.  The problem is they misrepresent the rules.  If you followed the Obama spin on the "rules," you would think that Michigan and Florida mandatorily had to be excluded and that superdelegates had to use pledged delegates as their only metric of persuasiveness.  

Unfortunately, the facts are that Michigan and Florida's exclusions are optional and their superdelegates may be 100% outside the penalty section of the rules, meaning they'd be seated as is.  Likely outcome is full slate of supers, 50% of pledged, and maybe some compromise for Michigan's uncommitted delegates can be arranged.  Most likely, those delegates will be allowed to choose in accordance with their conscience, like Edwards delegates and superdelegates.  

Likewise, the superdelegates are unlimited in their ability to consider factors.  This includes major scandals that have the ability to toxify the party's image, particularly Cling-gate and Wright.  They're able to consider that Hillary will have won more primaries than Barack, whose delegate lead right now comes from the bizarre caucus system.  A strange system produces a strange result.  


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:14:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Bingo - that's why its such blatant propaganda. nt (none / 0)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Sat May 03, 2008 at 06:43:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 2)

But the rules were broken for Iowa, New Hampshire, and, I think, South Carolina.

So the rules may be broken for some, but not for others?

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:45:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm very impressed with this diary (2.00 / 1)

I am a democrat. I want all candidates to follow the party decisions - even the ones I disagree with. Where is the assault from the Democratic Party coming from? If Obama loses, we will deserve it? Wow.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:42:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is how it's going to be. (2.00 / 1)

And this is why Hillary won't win the nomination. There's no way they'll side with her. I've known this since February, and I've reconciled with that fact. This sort of thing makes the supers very nervous, and understandably so.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:15:24 PM EST

She just has to make Obama her VP nominee (none / 0)

Or another prominent African-American (which would go down great with me: John Lewis anyone?). Problem solved.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:46:35 PM EST
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Re: She just has to make Obama her VP nominee (2.00 / 1)

In my view, if Clinton won because of super delegates, your solution would make the problem worse.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:50:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

How does Obama win w/o them? nt (2.00 / 5)


My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic. Lisa: This is a girl scouts meeting. Barney: Is it, or is it you girls can't admit that you have a problem?
by PJ Jefferson on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:23:56 PM EST
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Re: She just has to make Obama her VP nominee (2.00 / 2)

AAs would see through that tactic. It's transparent.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 02, 2008 at 01:55:39 PM EST
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Re: She just has to make Obama her VP nominee (2.00 / 1)

Briefly, yes, then after Barack came to town and campaigned aggressively for the ticket, much less so.

Again, my winning VP scenario is if Clinton does very well in the rest of the primaries and in public opinion polls of Democrats, thereby 'justifying' her nomination to most fair-minded people. If she falters and Obama makes a comeback, you're right.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:00:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She just has to make Obama her VP nominee (2.00 / 4)

The whole thing just makes me nervous. If Obama is still ahead by every measure, yet they give Hillary the nomination, it's going to look really bad, especially to the African American community. I'm not comfortable with that at all.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:02:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She just has to make Obama her VP nominee (none / 0)

This "solution" would set the Democratic Party back generations with AAs.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:09:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary is currently ahead by popular votes.. (2.00 / 4)

thats THE most important measure to me.. personally.

Also, ELECTABILITY is VERY important.

Most of Obama's primary votes came long ago, before the recent issues. Many are from elections in which large numbers of republicans crossed over, which is also significant, I think.

IMO, and those of many others, he will have major problems in Nov. if he is the Dem nominee.


Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Comprehensively cover 100%, not only the healthiest 80%
by architek on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:24:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary is currently ahead by popular votes.. (none / 0)

How did you factor Michigan to reach the statistic that she is ahead in popular vote?


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:52:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You won't be able to satisfy the 'race (2.00 / 1)

conspiracy' minded, and you shouldn't try. Hillary, if she gets the nom, should instead try her best to satisfy the majority of African Americans, who are fair-minded and not paranoid, backed up by direct and emphatic efforts from her African-American VP nominee.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Fri May 02, 2008 at 03:28:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She just has to make Obama her VP nominee (1.50 / 2)

After Clinton's behavior, it might make more sense for him to wait until 2012 & not be smeared with her stain.

Joining with Clinton would kinda say "just kidding, ethics don't matter"


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:40:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: She just has to make Obama her VP nominee (2.00 / 1)

John Lewis was threatened.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story .php?storyId=19096400

Is that the way we're going to run this country now?

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com


by Caro on Fri May 02, 2008 at 06:56:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I hope they are happy when Obama loses (none / 0)

Because I won't vote if he's the nominee because black people threatened to take their ball home or because MI & FL weren't counted. He has to win fair, and without threats. My vote is held hostage to no one, especially people who don't have democratic ideals (in the case of the DNC with MI & FL) or people who will blackmail others into getting their candidate. I've said it before and I will say it again, if AAs try this and win, they will lose in November. They cannot possibly match the number of females the Dems will lose. And unlike AAs, women WILL vote for McCain (even if I won't).

If it goes down like this, no Dem gets my vote, even down ticket. And I am deadly serious.


Rules are not necessarily sacred, principles are. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
by anna belle on Fri May 02, 2008 at 05:24:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I hope they are happy when Obama loses (2.00 / 1)

Please try to listen to what you just said, Anna Belle;

You said "... I won't vote if he's the nominee because black people threatened to take their ball home."

My judgement is that you just said that you (and all Women) are threatening to take your ball home.

I believe the DNC was wrong when they made the rules excluding Florida and Michigan. Iowa and other states are wrong when they hold caucuses instead of primaries. Things aren't always fair. But these decisions were made long before Obama got the lead in delegate votes over Hillary.

Hillary was robbed. You are right. But its not fair to blame the AAs, or Obama, or the young people or the latte drinkers (like me) who support him. It also is not fair to blame the umps (DNC) who set the rules long before Obama got so popular.

I hope you don't take your ball and go home. You are part of the team and we