Wonder how this will play in IN?

I don't think they will like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_nQOHj_ _s



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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (2.00 / 2)

Don't think they would care to be honest.... or at least I would like to hope hey wouldn't.

For all that is going wrong with this country, we actually have the potential to have an election based on issues rather than crap.  One can only hope that happens.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:18:01 AM EST

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH !! (none / 0)

"For all that is going wrong with this country.."

Oh, thank you.  THAT was funnny!!

you have clinton supporter after clinton support posting on this site that they'll either stay home or vote for mcsame if Obama is the nominee, because of his kook minister or because of bittergate.

to quote you, "For all that is going wrong with this country.." that would be unamerican to put the lives of americans in iraq over the ridiculous words of some minister.  And yet, I never hear a fellow clinton supporter say this, that the war and the economy is far more important than a bunch of offensive words.  

Now clinton supporters want to talk about issues of life and death.


"McSame: He's Constipated and Ready to GO!
by Al Rodgers on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:55:49 PM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (2.00 / 1)

Lets all agree HRC supporters knew this was coming as it always does.

Wed was the bull shit Barbara Reynolds scandal.
Thursday was the BS WVWV.

And today here we go HRC and her campaign are racist.

WTF BO supporters need to get off it.

david


by giusd on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:19:56 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (2.00 / 3)

WTF HRC supporters need to get off some things too...

Rezko, Wright, Ayers, lather, rinse, repeat.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:23:00 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Really how many ads has HRC run on Wright.  Zero.
How many times has she menioned Wright.  Twice to direct question.  She has every right to run ads about this has she.  NOOOOOOOOO.

How many times has the BO suggested HRC has run a racist campaign.  I mean it is non stop.

Give me a break.  BO is killing himself and instead of addressing his issues it is a new fake make shit up about HRC.

BO is looking awful and smearing HRC is not going to change that.

david


by giusd on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:48:30 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Okay... please provide a link to Barack Obama himself calling Clinton a racist or provide a retraction.

And Clinton's advisers have been discussing Wright with Superdelegates.

And finally....  THIS IS NOT FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:51:29 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Suuuuure it isn't.....


by wblynch on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:36:46 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (2.00 / 1)

This is your video, right?

No comments at You Tube, you're brand new here, no comments...

And "your" video places words on the screen, some of which are not heard on the video.

Context is yet another problem.

So, who are you?


Never let the bullies win.
by SluggoJD on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:22:22 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (2.00 / 1)

It's not my video. I just saw it on another website and thought that it should be linked to here.

I am an Obama supporter and proud of it.

I just wonder what the reaction is going to be.


by TurtleLeper on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:24:57 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (2.00 / 0)

Also, as to who I am?

I'm a democratic voter like everyone else on this site.

Nothing more nothing less.

And yes, I haven't commented yet, but this seemed like the perfect time.


by TurtleLeper on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:26:24 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

I think you might be a McCain supporter. Divide and conquer


by Politicalslave on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:26:57 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Grab the pitchforks!


by bobbank on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:51:33 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

If hat is how we determine supporters these days, there must be a lot of McCain supporters on this site... these days it is all about divide and conquer.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:53:02 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

there will be no reaction. because its not Obama.

now make the exact same thread, with Obama people and then this is ALL over the MSM.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:27:04 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

exactly. the clintonistas are all up in arms about what obama's pastor said years ago or what one of obama's neighbors did 40 years ago, but this ... well, just beyond the pale i guess.

of course it's dumb. just like the wright stuff is dumb. just like the ayers stuff is dumb.

clinton supporters made this bed.


by jbill on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:26:51 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Does not mean we should lie in it however.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:27:56 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Please provide the link to where you saw it.

Thanks!


Never let the bullies win.
by SluggoJD on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:42:21 AM EST
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objectively... (none / 0)

you can hear those words in the video


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:02:44 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Is this for real? Has anyone seen this before?


by Politicalslave on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:25:37 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

With captions that cannot even be heard on the audio?  Mm hmm.


by bobbank on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:52:16 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Regardless, this will not be good for Clinton.  It will be all over the internet today.  It's already at Kos.  This needs to be neutralized as quickly as possible.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:26:39 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

I don't have the energy today to neutralize another Obama-lead smear campaign.  I don't understand why some supporters would behave this way if they truly believed their candidate were the frontrunner.


by bobbank on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:53:15 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

It is not lead by Obama....

Cripes people.  Just because it fits your already predetermined narrative does not mean it is true.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:00:06 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

We all know this is crap.  But it gives the "pundits" something to discuss in serious tones with that ernest look on their faces. I hope it doesn't make it onto MTP, etc.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:04:14 AM EST
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most people will recognize this (none / 0)

for what it is.  A hit piece on HRC drawn from more than a decade ago regarding Bill Clinton.

I thought Obama was above this?  I thought he was the change candidate?

Well, I guess not.  Most people will see thorugh the charade--Obama above it all; his advisors, not so much so.

This video reeks of desperation!  Change  you can believe in?  I guess not.

Obama should focus on people's issues, not on how much he hates HRC.


by 4justice on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:26:46 AM EST

Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

its not Obama who made the video, dude that is one HUGE leap you just made.

can I say that HRC is behind the Obama is a muslim smear, or remember the video Universal was posting here a while ago? can I put that on Hillary?

wow man.


Obama said, as Bill beamed. "Thank you, President Clinton."
by TruthMatters on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:28:19 AM EST
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This is funny (none / 0)

first the diarist puts this up with a taunting challenge---"how will they see this".  Then all of the Obama people reinforce it.  

Then someone criticises it and Obama people then claim it wasn't made by the Obama campaign,in fact it was made by a republican freeper.

So which is it?  Are you supporting this video and thinking it will nail HRC, or are you disavowing it and its contents?  If you disavow it, you should take the diary down.  If you don't support it, then say so and stop shooting the messenger.


by 4justice on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:42:03 AM EST
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Re: This is funny (none / 0)

"all the Obama people reinforce it"...

I'm voting for the nominee, but hoping it is Obama. Read my freakin' post on this "issue"

Broad brushes lead to messy paintings...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:49:20 AM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

Why can we say BO campaign made this.  

Didnt BO supporters say barbara R tricked Wright to go and speak.  Didnt BO supporters say HRC was behind the WVWV voter suppression bullshit.  Do you remember people demanding a investigation.

Please BO supporters play the new fake scandal every day and then we have to PROVE it is fake or it is true.

david


by giusd on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:51:43 AM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

David you just made a huge, death-defying leap there...

You went from saying the Obama campaign to saying Obama supporters...  you do realize they are different in certain respects do you not?


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:01:32 AM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

Well,

The huge, death-defying leap there is how you all went after HRC on a fake altered tape.  As far as i am concerned BO will have to prove his campaign was not behind this.

david


by giusd on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:35:00 PM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

We don't know who put this on. I'm an Obama supporter and this is NOT an issue. This is a non issue like the wright thing.


by Politicalslave on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:29:06 AM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

I have to disagree.  Wright SHOULD have been a nonisuue, but it wasn't.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:31:34 AM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

I agree the Wright "controversy" wasn't right but let's not commit the same "sin" We are all democrats.


by Politicalslave on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:43:23 AM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

I don't condone or support these campaign tactics, but unfortunately they are used and work.  I think that Obama's drop in the polls can be attributed to the constant attacks and his need to react to these issues rather than be proactive and set his own agenda.  Personally, I would prefer to discuss policy. Unfortunately, and I sincerely mean unfortunately, that's not how the game is currently played.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:51:35 AM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

This is not from the Obama campaign.  I believe it is probably a repug just trying to make mischief.


by Spanky on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:30:06 AM EST
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Re: most people will recognize this (none / 0)

I doubt Obama hates Clinton...  in fact, he has said just the opposite.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:07:49 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Can we quit with the smear campaigns?

Thanks.


by Why Not on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:27:18 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

You should have told that to the architect of the kitchen sink strategy.


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:29:37 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

I have been.  Check my comments.


by Why Not on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:05:50 PM EST
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Holy fucking crap. (none / 0)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:28:32 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

once again we have to point this very important fact out!!!!!

HILLARY IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT NOT BILL CLINTON!!!!!!


by boxer4hrc on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:29:45 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

That's right I hope all Obama supporters will take the high road on this. This kind of thing makes enemies of us. Let's remember who the bad guys are.


by Politicalslave on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:37:35 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

I agree with you...too bad Clinton supporters (not all, but many) seemed to think making enemies of fellow Democrats was a good idea.


ENOUGH!
by JDF on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:05:18 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Does that mean Clinton supporters think Wright is running for president?  That might be the big point of confusion for them.


by Slim Tyranny on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:55:51 AM EST
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This has less to do with Clinton (none / 0)

and more to do with WAY OVERPAID consultants that the Clintons love to hire.

In the end they rake in millions and turn on the Democratic party and American people every chance they get.

The list goes on and on.

Mark Penn
Dick Morris
James Carville
George Stephanopolous
Lanny Davis
Blumenthal

Anyone care to add?


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:32:23 AM EST

Re: This has less to do with Clinton (none / 0)

daive axelrod, joe trippi, michelle obama, james clyburn, jesse jackson jr,

anyone one else care to add?


by boxer4hrc on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:52:54 AM EST
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Re: This has less to do with Clinton (none / 0)

Thats rediculous,  Im talking about guys who have played themselves off as Democratic strategist and have each stabbed us in the back.

Are you comparing Michelle Obama to Dick Morris?

Please I need a shower!

Your comparing Jesse Jackson to James Carville, a known RNC spy!

Someone get me a bucket to vomit in!


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:01:08 AM EST
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Someone in the Hillary camp leaked this (none / 0)

I wonder who?

Regardless, I doubt this be a big deal since this was in 1992.  It just reflects badly on the guy who called Indiana folks "white n%%%ers".


by puma on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:36:26 AM EST

Re: Someone in the Hillary camp leaked this (none / 0)

Does he work for the Clinton camp in 2008 is the question.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:42:08 AM EST
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I was waiting for that (none / 0)

all of a sudden the Clinton camp leaked it.


by 4justice on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:43:33 AM EST
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Re: I was waiting for that (none / 0)

No, according to Clinton supporters, it was Obama... and here we go around with the finger-pointing... sooner or later, people will start losing eyes.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:47:30 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Actually, it turns out that it is a clip from a documentary on the 1992 campaign.

I campaign I will point out, I volunteered and worked for while in college.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108515/


by TurtleLeper on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:37:05 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Its funny, I saw that docu for the first time a few years ago and loved it.

Once I found out the spying Carville was doing for the RNC and the attacks he made on our 2006 victory, the film was tainted.

Then when I saw George Stephanopolous, stumble and bumble his way up the ABC ladder and then fell flat on his face taking talking point from Sean Hannity I threw the tape out the window.

We need to remember that these guys are highly paid professional campaigners.    
They're paid to get votes.


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:41:17 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

More desperation from team Obama. Nothing new here.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:39:18 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

How is this from "team Obama"....?

Or have you failed to see the Obama supporters IN THIS THREAD decrying it?

To say nothing of the fact this did not come from the Obama campaign.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:45:09 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (2.00 / 5)

The defensiveness here is telling.  

This matters by the same logic Wright matters: Kantor is an old friend and adviser of the Clintons, and I hear a paid adviser to the current campaign.  Senator Clinton is of course not responsible for what he says on this clip; but she is his associate, and under the current swiftboat rules it is "fair game" as they keep saying about l'affaire Wright to tar Senator Clinton with this association.  The GOP most certainly would run with this on those rules; and the point is not so much this clip or that clip, but that when we play by these rules within the democratic party, we legitimize these techniques of character assassination and swiftboating and make it "fair game" come the general election.  Anyone who thinks there are not a hundred potential serious "guilt by association" linkages (with associated video clips) on which Senator Clinton could be hoisted is kidding themselves.  Marc Rich comes right to mind, but only first in a long list of business and fundraising associates in the years since the Clinton presidency ended.

I don't believe Senator Clinton thinks the residents of Indiana are "White Niggers,"  any more than I believe Senator Obama wakes up every morning thinking "God damn America."  But turnabout is, as they say, fair play.  And payback, she is a right mean bitch.

This will be a big story; it has everything the press wants -- swiftboating and racism and elitism and video.  

Play with fire, get burned, my mama always said.


by realcountrymusic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:39:51 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

I actually doubt it will get too much play....


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:46:09 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Yes the Republicans would use this. But as Democrats let's not.


by Politicalslave on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:47:06 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

yeah my friend but in the video did yo see bill or hillary in that same room? NO!

Obama said he wasnt in the church at that time but later on said he was, and then said he wasn't, so which is it?


by boxer4hrc on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:56:08 AM EST
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You just lied (none / 0)

You have your story wrong about what Obama heard and didn't hear.  He specifically said he never heard "God damn America" or the "chickens come home to roost" conspiracy theory crap, and later he said that he did hear "controversial" things (with no specifics given).

Don't lie.

And if the "guilt by association" game works for you for Obama, then why not Clinton?


by Slim Tyranny on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:08:20 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Special pleading, again.

Hillary Clinton and Mickey Kantor have been in the same room perhaps hundreds or even thousands of times.  So, were I the fair and balanced mainstream media, I would start insisting that she tell us whether she ever heard him express such views about the worthless white voters of the midwest in person.

Just saying, it sounds really silly when it gets down to "but he was in the room with Wright."  

It all sounds silly, to any fair minded person;  let us hope (but not expect) that voters are more fair minded than either campaign's activists (or the media) give them credit for.

And by the way, the damage to George Stephanopoulous here is not minimal.  Kinda takes the wind out of his holier than thou defense of his debate performance where he kept insisting his trivia questions for Senator Obama mattered because "electability" was at stake.

Pot meet kettle.


by realcountrymusic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:09:37 AM EST
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Good analysis, but (none / 0)

Good analysis of the absurdity of "guilt by association" game-playing.

However, I don't think this will get a lot of play in the media.  Call it a hunch, but it's almost TOO inflammatory and directed at Indiana voters, and TOO obviously "guilty by association", for the press to run wild with it.

Which is good.

Oh, and Kantor can go fuck himself, what a scumbag.


by Slim Tyranny on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:59:23 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

AMEN.. this is what I have been saying for some time now.

My fuse for smearing candidates by association like this is very very short.  I don't care what candidate it attacks (well maybe its ok if it's McCain since that is just deserts for Repubs) but for Democrats to do it is just plain dispicable and wrong.

I continue with my slogan.

STOP SMEARING OUR CANDIDATES.

or how about "please, stop smearing our candidates"

or "Pretty please with a freakin' cherry on top stop smearing our candidates"

Not sure how else to say it.. capiche?


by Why Not on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:15:40 PM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

And to add, people saying this doesn't matter because it was in 1992 are also kidding themselves, and not being fair about equal opportunity swiftboating.  Senator Obama is being held liable for everything Jeremiah Wright has said for the past 20 years, and for something William Ayres did when the Senator was a small child.

The absence of a sense of fair play has been a consistent problem with this primary.  I know people on all sides feel this, and they usually do, but it really has become impossible to have a free discourse about this campaign because of the level of disingenuousness on all sides.  Somewhere, we need to stop this.

Anyone can be destroyed by playing six degrees of guilt by association.  Anyone.  We should not tolerate it on any side, or if we are going to be cynical and tolerate it because "politics ain't beanbag" and because we believe voters are sheep, then we should accept that it's going to get the mud and blood all over everyone, and demean democracy in the process.


by realcountrymusic on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:45:14 AM EST

Would Mickey Kantor (none / 0)

Be Hillary's pastor?  Or would he merely be her advisor and defender, as he has been in this campaign?

Sigh.  Wouldn't it be nice if these candidates were so different on substance that bullshit like this wouldn't be as important as the presence of a health insurance mandate?


by Drew on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:46:16 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Well, its obvious he called the Indianans shit.  But I'd wait on the "white n**** " line.  Looks like that part may be fake if you look closely.


by reggie23 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:47:19 AM EST

Is this new News? (none / 0)

Is this new News?

I assume so,

Just VERY suprised it hasn't hit Huffington yet, they usually are at least no more than 15 mins behind the blogs.

This will only effect Indiana if they can show this advisor from the film is working for her on the ground.

If he is, Im sure they wisked him away, probably on a flight to Guam to open up campain office there.


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:49:22 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Funny BO is doing really bad and somehow race is being pushed back into the news by BO supporters.

Like we have never seen this before.

david


by giusd on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:53:41 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

How is BO doing "really bad"...?


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:09:18 AM EST
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Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

So what do you have to say now.  Did the BO make the fake tape.  I dont need to provide any prove of this since to BO supporters proof is not neccessary.  Did BO personally approve making the fake tape that was altered.  It is up to BO personally to say if he didnt.  And like BO did in the debate HRC gets to say' "well i guess i will take you at your word".

david


by giusd on Fri May 02, 2008 at 02:33:42 PM EST
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More smear and distractions (none / 0)

Just in time for a primary.

Just coincidence, I'm sure.

New politics are so foul, don't you think?


by bobbank on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:54:34 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (none / 0)

Hello - anyone paying attention. This was 16 years ago. Neither Carville nor Stephopoulos are directly affiliated with HRC's campaign. This is apples and oranges.
Have a nice trip down memory lane where this belongs.
by pan230oh on Fri May 02, 2008 at 10:54:57 AM EST

Re: Wonder how this will play in IN? (2.00 / 1)

I don't think its Carville nor Stephopoulos that people have a problem with?  But I think you know that already.


by reggie23 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:00:28 AM EST
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Wow, that's pretty amusing (none / 0)

You name two of the three people in that video, and forget to mention the one who actually uttered the racial slur.

Kantor, of course, is directly affiliated with HRC's campaign (as a paid advisor, and anyone feel free to correct me if that's not right).

Also, good to know --- 13 years ago is relevant (Ayers dinner); 16 years ago is the distant past.
 


by Slim Tyranny on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:03:20 AM EST
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Re: Wow, that's pretty amusing (none / 0)

Dont be suprised if this over paid advisor will be opening up that new office in Guam tomorrow.


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by GeorgeP922 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:04:25 AM EST
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Well, one thing we can all agree on: (none / 0)

Kantor is a scumbag.


by Slim Tyranny on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:09:46 AM EST

It's from "War Room" (none / 0)

This video is a snippet from the documentary "War Room" about the 1992 campaign. Watch the whole section and you get a sense of the atmosphere in the war room as the last polls roll in.

Mickey Kantor is a big supporter of Hillary Clinton and was very influential in the Clinton White House.  He clearly says of Indianans, "Those people are shit." I don't hear the "white ni**ers" line at all.

The sentiment about "shit" is based on two ideas: Indiana is hopelessly Republican and has been since 1964. The second is that to many Chicagoans Indiana is filled with "white trash." I lived in around Chicago for years and many of them despise Indianans as toothless redneck trash. Kantor is from Nashville but clearly shares the common (not universal) Chicago attitude of Indianans as ignorant rednecks. I think that's what he's conveying in this snippet.

Does this matter? Well, it shouldn't. But Rev. Wright shouldn't matter either. Until I see evidence that Clinton believes Indianans are "shit" I'll attribute these views to Kantor alone - even though he's been a trusted and influential friend and adviser for the Clintons for decades. I would hope that people would dissociate Rev. Wright's political remarks from Obama too.


by elrod on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:12:04 AM EST

Re: It's from "War Room" (none / 0)

Let's just attribute this to the man making the statement. I'm not trying to nitpick, but it is a pretty inflammatory statement and being from the Chicago area, I wouldn't want to be associated with it in anyway.


by futbol dad on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:35:04 AM EST
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This has got nothing to do with Obama (none / 0)

Obama does not have close surrogates flogging this kind of crap from right wing web sites into the mainstream media. Clinton does. Sidney Blumenthal, Lanny Davis, Penn, et al.

Obama can't control every post on dKos or other sites that may be from Republican trolls or pissed off partisans who think what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

None of this will get play by the media UNLESS Hillary becomes the presumptive candidate. If that happens watch out for a tidal wave of slime that will make Rev. Wright look like kindergarten stuff. The cable networks will switch from 24/7 Wright to 24/7 pardon scandals, commie law firms, Bill's personal  morals, etc., etc., and Hillary's new BFF's in the right wing media will turn on her like a pack of rabid dogs.

However Obama will not go there, neither will his campaign and without him pushing now it it won't get picked up by the media. The Republicans could flog it to the networks but they have no interest right now in anything but taking down the Democrats nominee which they still believe will be Obama. You will know if Hillary has a chance at the nomination. Watch the behavior of the media and the Republicans if they start ignoring Obama and piling on her you will know she is winning.


by hankg on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:16:03 AM EST

Guilt by association sucks when its on the other (none / 0)

foot. Isn't someone going to argue how its good that this comes out now or that the Republicans will use this. Finally its all about electability ... blah blah blah ... Frankly this is the worst kind of politics and it does not matter who does it.


by KosTexasliberal on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:20:20 AM EST

Re: Guilt by association sucks (none / 0)

that is exactly right. had the clinton people not obsessed over the "guilt by association means obama hates white people and is therefore unelectable adn we should overturn the pledged delegates and popular vote because white people won't vote for obama" meme for the last month, then i doubt the obama folks who give a shit what one of hillary's friend said 13 years ago.

but that (low) bar has been set, and it wasn't by team obama. turnabout is fair play. although i'll betcha obama doesn't say a word about it - unlike hillary, who practically jumped up and down at the last debate to interject the "you served on a board with a terrorist!" thing.


by jbill on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:34:59 AM EST
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Non News but this IS News! (none / 0)

In light of Hillary's recent remarks about obliterating Iran and the gas tax holiday (sounds rather Republican-like to me) and media's focus on the gas tax holiday, I post No. 8 of Atlantic Charter written by Roosevelt and Churchill after World War II. It speaks for itsself!

"Eighth, they believe that all of the nations of the world, for realistic as well as spiritual reasons must come to the abandonment of the use of force. Since no future peace can be maintained if land, sea or air armaments continue to be employed by nations which threaten, or may threaten, aggression outside of their frontiers, they believe, pending the establishment of a wider and permanent system of general security, that the disarmament of such nations is essential. They will likewise aid and encourage all other practicable measures which will lighten for peace-loving peoples the crushing burden of armaments."

Franklin D. Roosevelt

Winston S. Churchill

So, I ask, are we and our leaders today living up to these ideals? And, would the obliteration of Iran have a more devastating effect on our nation than whether or not we give a Gas Tax Holiday? Or do the words of God D..m America by a Rev. Wright contain more risk to Americans than a potential President who could take us into another war with Iran? And is our Media ethically and morally giving us the real facts about these issues which could have a significnt effect upon our American daily lives?


by bacalove on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:28:18 AM EST

Interesting the way (none / 0)

It's interesting the way that some members of the MyDD community who are the first to cry "outrage" at anything negative toward their candidate, who have said so often that "guilt by association" is wrong, that those people are the first to recommend this diary.

I don't need to name them explicitly.  Just look at the list.  Hypocrites.


by bobbank on Fri May 02, 2008 at 11:38:15 AM EST

Re: Interesting the way (none / 0)

I agree there is hypocracy on both sides of this issue.  It doesn't do our party any good.

This is why I keep telling people to:

Stop smearing our canidates!

And: if you can't post something positive about the candidates, don't post anything at all.

I just hope that people that continue these smears on both sides realize that they are driving people away.  If this gets much worse I may one of those driven away.  I can only repeat my slogan so many times ya know?


by Why Not on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:20:20 PM EST
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Turtle (none / 0)

hows the egg on your face?


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Fri May 02, 2008 at 12:44:13 PM EST


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