Monday Late Night Poetry Salon

Happy dreams, everyone. Taking another breather on this late night bumpy primary ride to offer up a chance to share some more poetry, yours or someone else's. I'll kick it off with one of my favorite writers, Sharon Olds and one of my favorites of hers poems, "I Go Back to May 1937" from her collection, The Gold Cell.

I see them standing at the formal gates of their colleges,
I see my father strolling out
under the ochre sandstone arch, the
red tiles glinting like bent
plates of blood behind his head, I
see my mother with a few light books at her hip
standing at the pillar made of tiny bricks with the
wrought-iron gate still open behind her, its
sword-tips black in the May air,
they are about to graduate, they are about to get married,
they are kids, they are dumb, all they know is they are
innocent, they would never hurt anybody.
I want to go up to them and say Stop,
don't do it--she's the wrong woman,
he's the wrong man, you are going to do things
you cannot imagine you would ever do,
you are going to do bad things to children,
you are going to suffer in ways you never heard of,
you are going to want to die. I want to go
up to them there in the late May sunlight and say it,
her hungry pretty blank face turning to me,
her pitiful beautiful untouched body,
his arrogant handsome blind face turning to me,
his pitiful beautiful untouched body,
but I don't do it. I want to live. I
take them up like the male and female
paper dolls and bang them together
at the hips like chips of flint as if to
strike sparks from them, I say
Do what you are going to do, and I will tell about it.


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Tips for the late night poets and their readers. Tips for those voices we can turn to in ourselves and in books that can lead us to keener understanding and a steadier, braver path.


by Soitgoes on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:41:08 PM EST

Let me rack my mind for another poem I like (2.00 / 5)

I have a thing for sonnets (even though I have no talent at writing them), this is another by GM Hopkins (who I adore as a poet despite the constant references to Christianity).

GLORY be to God for dappled things--
For skies of couple-colour as a brinded cow;
For rose-moles all in stipple upon trout that swim;
Fresh-firecoal chestnut-falls; finches' wings;
Landscape plotted and pieced--fold, fallow, and plough;
And áll trádes, their gear and tackle and trim.

All things counter, original, spare, strange;   
Whatever is fickle, freckled (who knows how?)   
With swift, slow; sweet, sour; adazzle, dim;   
He fathers-forth whose beauty is past change:           
Praise him.


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by Student Guy on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:50:43 PM EST

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Another fan of Gerard Manley Hopkins, who would have references to Christianity in that he was a Catholic priest, I believe.


by susie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:31:52 AM EST
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I honestly don't know his background (none / 0)

and I am too lazy to go to wikipedia to look it up, this poem was typed from memory.
It would make sense considering the Windhover and a lot of his other work I've seen.
Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:36:27 AM EST
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whoa (2.00 / 4)

what an intense writing!  Bravo for this selection.  

Remembering the costs of our democracy, our freedom.....remembering Kent State

Find the cost of freedom
bury it in the ground
Mother Earth will swallow you
lay your body down
(Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young)


by 4justice on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:57:29 PM EST

John Donne -- "The Triple Fool" (2.00 / 3)

I am two fools, I know,
    For loving, and for saying so
        In whining poetry ;
But where's that wise man, that would not be I,
        If she would not deny ?
Then as th' earth's inward narrow crooked lanes
    Do purge sea water's fretful salt away,
I thought, if I could draw my pains
    Through rhyme's vexation, I should them allay.
Grief brought to numbers cannot be so fierce,
For he tames it, that fetters it in verse.
    But when I have done so,
    Some man, his art and voice to show,
        Doth set and sing my pain ;
And, by delighting many, frees again
        Grief, which verse did restrain.
To love and grief tribute of verse belongs,
    But not of such as pleases when 'tis read.
Both are increasèd by such songs,
    For both their triumphs so are published,
And I, which was two fools, do so grow three.
Who are a little wise, the best fools be.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:06:26 AM EST

What with the primary war still raging... (2.00 / 3)

FLYING OVER SONNY LISTON

by Gary Short

Sonny Liston is on all fours,
trying to rise, a flame of pain
in the center of his head.

The crowd noise blurs,
then distances, as though he is shut
in a room by himself.

In his face there is silence.

His skin glistens with sweat,
& the glare & flurry of camera flashes
are far-away lights in his eyes.

Cassius Clay thin & sharp, stands
above him, arms in a recited W.

The airplane rises over the cemetery
where Liston is buried
next to the runway at McCarran Airport.

What I recall is his bad press--
how he learned to box in prison,
how he hung out with the worst people.

His violence & his size,
a film clip of him
sullenly jumping rope
to a record of "Night Train."

A woman in a pink blouse sits next to me.
Her fingers try to memorize a thick crucifix
on a chain around her neck.

She's nervous. But from this safe distance,
looking out the oval window
& beyond the wing, I see the cross
of the airplane shadowing grave sites.

A boxer knows momentum
can suddenly shift. One blow
changes everything.

The plane lifts. Closing my eyes, I hear
the referee's eight-count, the knockout signaled.

Liston is out of time & still on his knees,
suffering & silent, "Inarticulate
in the way we all are," James Baldwin wrote,
"when more has happened to us
than we know how to express."

In eight seconds an aircraft can bank into
& fly through fists of clouds
above the city of Las Vegas
& the grave of Sonny Liston.

He died alone in a motel room.

His life was nothing like mine,
& so we share a solitariness,
like the passengers on this plane who rise
or fall together
& individually, each with defeats.

The fight for survival is the fight.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:47:27 AM EST

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Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:48:43 AM EST

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Oops, click spazzed on the POST button.  Sorry.  :)


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Tue May 20, 2008 at 12:49:20 AM EST
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Here is a poem I have to look up (2.00 / 3)

the words for as it was too long to memorize.

This is "The Fish" by Elizabeth Bishop.

I like the use of imagery and the changing narrative in this poem.

I caught a tremendous fish
and held him beside the boat
half out of water, with my hook
fast in a corner of its mouth.
He didn't fight.
He hadn't fought at all.
He hung a grunting weight,
battered and venerable
and homely. Here and there
his brown skin hung in strips
like ancient wallpaper,
and its pattern of darker brown
was like wallpaper:
shapes like full-blown roses
stained and lost through age.
He was speckled with barnacles,
fine rosettes of lime,
and infested
with tiny white sea-lice,
and underneath two or three
rags of green weed hung down.
While his gills were breathing in
the terrible oxygen
-- the frightening gills,
fresh and crisp with blood,
that can cut so badly --
I thought of the coarse white flesh
packed in like feathers,
the big bones and the little bones,
the dramatic reds and blacks
of his shiny entrails,
and the pink swim-bladder
like a big peony.
I looked into his eyes
which were far larger than mine
but shallower, and yellowed,
the irises backed and packed
with tarnished tinfoil
seen through the lenses
of old scratched isinglass.
They shifted a little, but not
to return my stare.
-- It was more like the tipping
of an object toward the light.
I admired his sullen face,
the mechanism of his jaw,
and then I saw
that from his lower lip
-- if you could call it a lip --
grim, wet, and weaponlike,
hung five old pieces of fish-line,
or four and a wire leader
with the swivel still attached,
with all their five big hooks
grown firmly in his mouth.
A green line, frayed at the end
where he broke it, two heavier lines,
and a fine black thread
still crimped from the strain and snap
when it broke and he got away.
Like medals with their ribbons
frayed and wavering,
a five-haired beard of wisdom
trailing from his aching jaw.
I stared and stared
and victory filled up
the little rented boat,
from the pool of bilge
where oil had spread a rainbow
around the rusted engine
to the bailer rusted orange,
the sun-cracked thwarts,
the oarlocks on their strings,
the gunnels -- until everything
was rainbow, rainbow, rainbow!
And I let the fish go.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 01:38:03 AM EST

Good on you for bringing in Bishop, S. G. (2.00 / 1)

She's simply amazing. Do you know, "The Moose," "Filling Stattion," and "One Art"? There's also her piece around Robinson Crusoe that stuns me every time I read it. I wrote a paper on her in grad school and, like Wayne's World, I kept wanting to sing out, "I'm not worthy!" Going through a creative writing program can me a minefield of sorts for aspiring writers because one is constantly exposed to all these fantastic artists. Then again, I came to realize that their voices were there for me to use in finding my own (please, no Clinton references intended). And it's an old trick I tell my students: If you're stuck, pick up a book and start reading. They'll be a line, or maybe even one word that can unstick the stuck.

From what you've submitted before, if you don't mind a recommendation, I'd say W.S. Merwin might interest you.


by Soitgoes on Tue May 20, 2008 at 02:12:30 AM EST
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I only know one other piece by her (none / 0)

and it is Sestina (I'll be honest and say I had to look up the title, I only know it as a weird "form" poem in that words of the lines are the same only the order is different).  I really enjoy "The Fish" though, I have a thing for word play (I did a 5 page page on the topic of word usage in Windhover back in my undergrad days) and imagery (another 5 pager on the use of imagery).  I am not a gifted writer in any sense of the word, but I can appreciate a good poem.

I'll check out WS merwin, but contribution for next week is already picked out and I know it, it references about a "traveller from an antique land"


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by Student Guy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 02:27:25 AM EST
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"Abou ben Adhem" (2.00 / 2)

by James Henry Leigh Hunt (my personal favorite poem!):

Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)

Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,

And saw, within the moonlight in his room,

Making it rich, and like a lily bloom,

An angel writing in a book of gold:-

Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,

And to the presence in the room he said,

"What writest thou?"-The vision raised its head,

And with a look made of all sweet accord,

Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."

"And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay, not so,"

Replied the angel. Abou spoke more low,

But cheerly still; and said, "I pray thee, then,

Write me as one that loves his fellow men."

The angel wrote, and vanished. The next night

It came again with a great wakening light,

And showed the names whom love of God had blest,

And lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest.


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Tue May 20, 2008 at 04:23:41 AM EST


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