A Qualified African American, Please - Not Obama

As someone that has long championed civil rights, I have looked forward to the opportunity to vote for a qualified African American with a real chance at the nomination. Unfortunately, the choice in our primary was Barack Obama.

Inexperienced, naive, lacking substance, a cult-like figure, questionable character and associations, narcissistic, sexist, the list could go on and on. He seems to have the Bush quality of thinking he is right simply because it's him thinking it.

From the moment I saw him there was something I didn't like, and subsequent events have only increased my skepicism.

Obama represents many qualities that we don't want young African Americans, or any young people for that matter, to aspire to.  

No matter where his path leads, I fear his saga will end in profound disappointment for African Americans and those of us that have championed the cause of civil rights for so long. We should be on the verge of a huge step forward in this regard, but instead we are in danger of falling back at least a generation.



Display:


Hey Troll... Go home. (1.90 / 20)

There was nothing constructive about a Dem, or positive about your candidate (John McCain?) in this diary.


by PhilFR on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:10:34 PM EST

Which means it will probably make the rec list (2.00 / 3)

B/c it's an Obama-bashing diary!

Oh, and the fact that it is full of baseless opinions and smears only helps, b/c that is what a good portion of the Hillary supporters obviously love more than anything else.

If anyone dosen't believe me, go read the diary by Alegre that is on the rec list right now.

At this point, they don't want to be constructive, they just want to kick and scream for the next five months and try to destroy Obama's chances of winning the general so they can say "I told you so".


by Deano963 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:20:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

alegre used to be a qualified diarist (nice too) (2.00 / 1)

I used to have a different name, on here.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:28:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: alegre used to be a qualified diarist (nice to (none / 0)

zombies are not allowed here


by zerosumgame on Mon May 19, 2008 at 08:17:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

is there a way to contact the mods around here? (none / 0)

I've been looking high and low, but no dice so far...


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:09:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Which means it will probably make the rec list (none / 0)

Obama doesn't need our help to lose the general election.  Just like he does't need it to win it.


by not buying it on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:37:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hey Troll... Go home. (none / 0)

I find it interesting that a few people gave you a 1 for this comment, whereas the majority gave you a 2 for mojo. I'm beginning to think that some people are not abusing the rating system- just that they don't know how to actually use it. I also think there are definitely both stated Obama as well as Clinton supporters who actually support neither candidate. Do you think the people who gave you a 1 disagreed with your statement, or thought they were reacting to the content of the original diary?


Barack Obama is my President. He'll be yours, too.
by Jeter on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:26:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hey Troll... Go home. (none / 0)

I can't begin to guess what the people who TR'd my post were thinking. This place has been getting ugly for quite some time, and I'm hoping and working toward it gettng better,


by PhilFR on Mon May 19, 2008 at 11:39:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

really... (2.00 / 21)

inflammatory diary.  and im on the same side as you.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:11:47 PM EST

Odd (1.33 / 3)

Kinda like Jerome letting us call people idiots without using the word idiot.

This is a concentrated version of most of what you write.

If you find this inflammatory I suggest you rethink your own words and phrases.


by ameridad on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:15:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Odd (2.00 / 3)

Hey, I get what you are saying but canadian gal is the most sensible and respectful Clinton supporter on this sight.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:16:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Odd (2.00 / 1)

*site.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:17:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Odd (2.00 / 9)

dude, if someone's calling out one of their own, just stand back and don't spoil it by criticizing them. And Canadian Gal's comments are nothing like this troll's. Not even close.

CG, thanks for not taking the troll-bait.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:25:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

while i understand the sentiment (1.00 / 4)

That would better apply to watching republicans eating their own.

We are all supposed to be Democrats.

Like my post says, Jerome is under the impression that in the polite political class you can say anything about your opponent as long as it is clever, articulate, and scores.

Take away any one and you are deserving of the scorn for breaking the code of conduct.

Canadian Gal has just played buy the political class' rules better than this crappy diary.

The ideas, themes, tone, and honesty are exactly the same however.


by ameridad on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:35:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: while i understand the sentiment (2.00 / 2)

im sure at this point you are aware that you are breaking the rules of this site by calling out another user.  and due to that, i will let argue your point, but rather let my record speak for itself since anyone reading this can go and check for themselves.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:05:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

perfect example (none / 0)

Your last comment was a perfect example.

In jerome and your world people can make sweeping smears and rejections as long as it doesn't tarnishes anyone directly but instead casts doubt on many.

Who said the following in a diary about nothing else...

And the people I usually love to agree or disagree with seem to be having their voices muted.  Which begs the question, are these people paid bloggers?

Anyone?  Or is it me?


by ameridad on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:18:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: perfect example (2.00 / 1)

this diary is not about me and i do not intend on hijacking this diary (as much as i think its poo) as many on this site do.  that being said, the comment that you quoted is one that i would certainly stand by.


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:23:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: perfect example (2.00 / 1)

Dudes, lay off attacking CG here when she's been reasonable. Attack the comments, not the commenter--that's straw man.

And please knock it off with the unwarranted down-rates, if I have to mojo-rate CG again I'm gonna vom.

;)


by luckymortal on Mon May 19, 2008 at 10:13:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: perfect example (2.00 / 2)

Have this discussion elsewhere. This is not helpful.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:57:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: really... (2.00 / 3)

Bully for you, Canadian Gal.  Color me impressed.  4/20!!!


I like baked beans.
by SpideyDem on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:15:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: really... (2.00 / 4)

Good on ya, CG.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:25:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's funny (2.00 / 7)


   devotion to Hillary is loyalty. Devotion to Obama is cultlike.

  Pathetic Begala. Not that I'm surprised.


by southernman on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:13:03 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 10)

You are a troll and a pretty obvious one at that. You could of made your point without the insults and smears.

Haven't you been outed countless times as being a freeper?

I don't understand how you are still around and writing diaries.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:14:34 PM EST

It is starting to look like noquarter (2.00 / 6)

where everyone pontificating about how awful Obama is claims to be black or a civil rights hero.

I don't believe a word of it.


by ameridad on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:18:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It is starting to look like noquarter (none / 0)

Don't forget the "token latinos" that will never vote for B.O.!


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:22:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 0)

This diary is first class snark.


by interestedbystander on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:15:46 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 1)

Either that, or this diarist is a really, really bad troll.


by interestedbystander on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:16:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama has more experience than Hillary. (2.00 / 3)

Obama has been in elective office longer than Hillary. I guess, by your standards, he is more qualified than Clinton.


by Deano963 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:16:10 PM EST

Don't feed the TROLLS. eom (2.00 / 1)


by rf7777 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:16:11 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 4)

This is pretty much the epitome of what's wrong with myDD.

How many more diaries do we need with the same format?

Insulting Title

Establish credentials as a "real" progressive
Slander, stereotype, republican talking point, random insult against supporters - repeat as desired
Unsupported gut feeling

Conclusion: This will all end badly/splinter the Democratic party/give McCain the general election.


by werehippy on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:16:14 PM EST

Admins! (2.00 / 8)

Hey Admins, can we ban this guy yet?  What the hell.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:16:49 PM EST

Re: Admins! (1.00 / 0)

Not only is he not banned, but he has the ability to rec and rate, while many TU's have had their privileges stripped for recommending a diary. why is that? Why does this troll have privileges while many reasonable people are locked out?


Bush murders soldiers for profit. McCain wants to wet his beak.
by awobbly on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:51:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

What "qualities" are those? (2.00 / 6)

That young African Americans shouldn't aspire too?

Making your way to the heights of education and President of the Harvard Law Review, through perceverence against the long odds?

Turning around and using that edication not for a lucrative private carreer but as a community organizer and civil rights attorney?

Fighting a difficult primary against establishment Democrats to become the third African American Senator since Reconstruction?

Delivering important healthcare and civil rights reforms to the people of Illinois and championing the most comprehensive ethics reforms ever passed by the United States Senate?

Being a devoted father and loving family man?

Calling a dumb war out for what it was?

Which is it?


by DSloth on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:17:00 PM EST

The only quality the diarist doesn't like (none / 0)

is "beating Hillary Clinton in a race for the Democratic nomination".  Everything else is surplusage and pretext.


by JJE on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:31:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Trollicious (2.00 / 6)

Can't one of the moderators act like Billy Goat Gruff and knock this obvious troll out of here?


by emptythreatsfarm on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:17:57 PM EST

***I'd like to vote for a woman, just not Hillary (1.40 / 5)

"I'd like to vote for a woman, just not Hillary Clinton"

I've seen that sentiment here many times.


by Michael Begala on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:20:32 PM EST

I'd vote for her, (2.00 / 3)

except that I won't be able to, since Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.  So it's kind of a moot point.


by McNasty on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:23:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No one has ever said that Hillary isn't qualified. (2.00 / 3)


by dystopianfuturetoday on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:23:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ***I'd like to vote for a woman, just not Hill (none / 0)

And I'd like to read the writings of a decent diarist, and that's not you.


Let the children lose it Let the children use it Let all the children boogie
by toyomama on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:25:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'd vote for Hillary, but... (none / 0)

she would have been better if the situation called for fighting.

Vinegar versus Honey.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:30:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ***I'd like to vote for a woman, just not Hill (2.00 / 2)

Yes. I realize you think you're being clever. You have seen people say that. In fact, I've said it, but in a comment, and not as a poorly written unsupported diary. Usually it's followed up by a reasoned argument as to why the person prefers Obama over Clinton, and why gender isn't in their calculation.

It is perfectly OK if you want to vote for a different African-American. It is not OK to follow that up with insults, lies and smears. This is inflammatory trolling behavior, pure and simple, no matter how clever you think you're being.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:32:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We wouldn't have seen the same uproar (none / 0)

If a similar diary had been written regarding Clinton and wanting to vote for a woman, but not her.


by Michael Begala on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:35:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

We would have seen more, (2.00 / 3)

The diarist would be banned, as I hope you will be.

As I said, it's not that you aren't going to vote for an African-American. It's that you follow it up with totally unsupported flaming that makes this a troll diary. If you'd actually wanted to tackle this topic, instead of writing a quick hit and run diary, you would have taken some time to outline why you do not think Obama is the right African-American, and supported that. Instead you pulled a bunch of insults out of your butt and smacked a title on it to try to make a point.


John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.
by Travis Stark on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:41:42 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Nonsense (none / 0)

I've seen the 'I want to vote for a woman but not Clinton' comment many times - they were'nt deleted or banned.


by Michael Begala on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:46:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: ***I'd like to vote for a woman, just not Hill (none / 0)

And?

I wouldn't vote for Liddy Dole, Condi Rice, J.C Watts, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Ward Connerly, Colin Powell or Janice Rogers Brown either. Or Harold Ford.

I have nothing but contempt for Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

I would happily vote for Jan Schakowsky, Barbara Boxer, Charlie Rangell or any number women or African-Americans. Or white men.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:38:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

MY cat weighed in on this thread. (2.00 / 6)

funny pictures
more cat pictures


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:20:47 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 8)

Thanks for this diary!

We got the warning the other day that there were Republicans who were going to pose as site members in order to troll and sow discord on this site.  I really appreciate that you've taken one for the team and posted in the language of such a user so that we know what to look out for in the future.

I know writing stuff like this must have been hard for you, being as you are a loyal Democrat who is devoted to seeing our nominee take office next January, but I, for one, appreciate your willingness to help us out like this.

Great job!


Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.
by mistersite on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:21:18 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

Can you post who has rec'd this diary? If we keep posting who rec's freeper diaries we can better expose them.


"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband
by venician on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:50:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

Catfish, Caldonia That's it.


by luckymortal on Mon May 19, 2008 at 10:18:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

He's going to be President, (1.80 / 5)

not "an African-American President," just President.  Your view of life teeters on racism.


by McNasty on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:22:04 PM EST

Say What??? (2.00 / 8)

"Obama represents many qualities that we don't want young African Americans, or any young people for that matter, to aspire to."

Excuse me? Who made you God and decider you f-ing loser.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:24:28 PM EST

Re: Say What??? (2.00 / 8)

Yes, I agree it would be truly awful for AAs to go to Harvard and edit the Law Review, then work in community service, marry a successful AA woman and have 2 beautiful kids, then run for national office.  It must be stopped.


by interestedbystander on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:32:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Say What??? (none / 0)

Obama didn't just edit the HLR. He was the President of the HLR.

What I really enjoy about posts like this is thinking how really, really, really pissed off this guy will be in November after we pick up 20 more House seats, a possible filibuster-proof 10 senate seats, and a Barack Obama Presidency.

I contrast that to my ear-to-ear grin, when McSame is crushed under the weight of an angry American electorate, and all the followers of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, Malkin and Hannity are frothing at the mouth.


by PatrickBradish on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:47:15 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Say What??? (2.00 / 3)

Too much stupid in this diary to address it all. Which is remarkable considering how short it is.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:40:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

troll diary (2.00 / 5)

put it in the troll bin


by Bargeron on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:25:10 PM EST

A Qualified Woman, Please - Not Hillary (2.00 / 2)

Sounds just about as stupid doesn't it?


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:27:02 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 1)

Barack Obama is indeed "a qualified African American with a real chance at the nomination."  His qualifications are built on academic achievements, community service, electoral success and the fact that he has put together a campaign that is on the cusp of winning his party's nomination.  The last part empirically refutes your claim that he has no chance at being nominated by the party.  Securing the support of over 1900 delegates to the national convention (current estimates range between 1908 and 1913) definitely establish his chances at winning.

Unless you honestly think John McCain would make a superior president, I must ask you why you want to paint Obama in the most unattractive light possible?  Are you trying to convince his supporters to switch sides?  This is not how to go about it.  Are trying to galvanize HRC's supporters?  Given the very real and reasonable passion she has inspired in a whole wing of the party, this seems unnecessary?  What do you hope to achieve with a diary like this?


The future is unwritten
by Strummerson on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:30:11 PM EST

Heh, there's actually some honesty here (2.00 / 3)

"Obama represents many qualities that we don't want young African Americans, or any young people for that matter, to aspire to."

The "we", of course, refers to "us crazy right wingers", and the "many qualities" refers to "going to Harvard/working for your community/fighting for civil rights, whistleblowers, the have-nots, etc./being a devoted husband and father/speaking honestly about race/fighting for a woman's right to choose/fighting to end poverty/fighting to address the racial and class divides of our country."

Those on the far right FEAR Obama, because his qualities are antithetical to their anti-human rights, pro-divisiveness, racist policies.

God forbid young African Americans all start going to Harvard Law --- that would be terrible... for the wingnuts.


by Slim Tyranny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:31:11 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please (1.00 / 0)

MB, with all due respect, a little harsh.  Obama does have many fine quatlities.  If you want to argue his experience level, his campaign tactics, his ability win the GE,.... that would be fair, IMO.


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:33:54 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

Funny: those that disagree with you could just as well say

Inexperienced, naive, lacking substance, a cult-like figure, questionable character and associations, narcissistic, sexist

about Clinton. It is pretty standard stuff to use when trying to slime your opponite...


by notedgeways on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:41:44 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (1.00 / 0)

Hardly.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:44:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please (1.00 / 0)


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:45:11 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please (1.00 / 0)

Chitown Denny and Michael Begala.

Good cop and bad cop routine.

I'm not buying. I have no idea how you freepers still post and write diaries on this site.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:51:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please (1.00 / 0)

Chitown Denny and Michael Begala.

Good cop and bad cop routine.

Call me inexperienced and naive, but which is supposed to be which?


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:05:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

i think he lacks the experience, not intellect, to be president. but i am struck by a line a lot of his supporters are using in their endorsement of him: "once in a lifetime leader." which i think goes back to your point in that many people are willing to overlook his thin resume because of the nature of his candidacy. as a minority myself, i'm not sure if this in any way helps with the perception of equality or fairness. if this was a college admission or job hiring, there's a good chance that it would be taken to court for biased hiring practices?


by darwinism on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:47:56 PM EST

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 1)

the trouble with the "experience" line is, that Clinton supporters want it to mean whatever they want/need it to mean that she has some magical experience he doesn't. When you strip it all away, it just comes down to the fact that she's older than he is.

That, and, if "experience" were the best indicator of how a president would perform, Nixon and George H.W. Bush would be our two best presidents, at least of the twenieth century. Madison's presidency is regarded as a mixed bag, at best, and he had what I think we could call unique and unquestionable "experience". Abraham Lincoln would be pretty much our worst president (again, I'm using your standard).

Finally: How much experience did Hillary Clinton have when she voted to give George Bush a blank check in Iraq? That would suggest a certain naïveté, don't you think?

Okay, there is more than one problem with the "experience" argument.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:10:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 1)

a blank check? then why would obama surround himself with the support of these naïvetés? daschle, edwards, dodd?

exactly what led obama to vote for the energy bill? please don't cast obama as a sort of moral leader in in iraq issue since he gave 1 speech on it where he was not in a position to cast a vote. i bring up the energy bill because they were both in the senate at that time.

george w. was in his second term as governor of texas when he won the presidency. their legislature meets like 2x a year. so his experience would be more in par with obama. take away watergate, nixon actually had some progressive achievements (for a republican).


by darwinism on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:42:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

You're changing the subject. You brought up "experience" as a reason to vote for Hillary Clinton. I am unimpressed.

Obama was not my first choice for president, and I don't consider a vote for the AUMF to be a necessary disqualifier. My first choice (after Gore) was for Edwards, because I was willing to make a leap of faith that he had learned from the Bush years, and his campaign would reflect the post-2004 John Edwards, not his Senate record.

Hillary Clinton, from the AUMF to Kyl-Lieberman to "obliterate", has shown me that she has learned nothing from the Bush years is the wrong person for the presidency at this time. The way her campaign has degenerated into the worst kind of pandering in the last two months has only confirmed that decision.

"Take away Watergate"....? Jesus fucking Christ. I'm not even going to dignify the dismissal of a criminal assault on the electoral process (and undermining of the Constitution) with a response.  Good lord. I guess compared to that, overlooking Clinton's foreign policy stances is pretty easy for you.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:48:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (2.00 / 1)

i am not changing the subject. everyone just loves to bring up the iraq war vote. if obama was so against it in his 1 speech- why could he not have used his great oratorical skill to convince enough senators to kill all funding for the war? he talks a lot but he has really not done shit.

and can you have a bit of perspective on history? nixon introduced comprehensive health care. established e.p.a. noaa, d.e.a., umm...detente, salt 1, abm. i can't believe i'm even having to do this. for all of his faults, he did have significant achievements. ask any hisotrian. for what he lacked in moral aptitude, he made up in his policies.


by darwinism on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:13:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

You brought up experience as the determinant factor in selecting Clinton over Obama. I pointed out one instance, the most salient IMO, of why Clinton's fluidly defined "experience" does not impress me. There is also the fact that she was elected to Senate as a "national leader"; she justified her carpetbag campaign in New York was that it was a "quasi-national office" from which she could offer leadership to the party and the country on important issues.

She did not do that. Her most significant legislative accomplishment in the Senate was renaming some post offices.

I. Am. Not. Impressed.

Should we move beyond the Senate? Let's call her a member of the Clinton administration: Health care. Fail.

Corporate lawyer: Sam Walton.

Not impressed.

Barack Obama was not my first choice in this primary, as I think I said, and the fact that he wasn't more assertive against the war was one of the reasons for that. But, again, I'm not a purity troll. Clinton has a retrograde, Liebermanesque view of foreign policy, and given the two choices left to me, I prefer Obama.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:19:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

1. both of our ny senators got $21B to ny after 9-11. and she wasa freshman senator then.

2. through her committee assignments, has actively pursued and invetigated post 9-11 worker health matters.

3. yes, she did spearhead health care reform. obama used the same fliers that the republicans used in order to distort and destroy that plan. would she know how to handle them this time around? hell yeah. she'll obliterate them if she has to.

frankly, i have no qualms about her iran comments. what i find troubling is obama trying to explain just exactly what he said or do from one day to the next. his only argument is that he's not bush/mccain so vote for him.


by darwinism on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:31:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

Getting money for New York after 9/11 wasn't exactly pushing through the New Deal.

what i find troubling is obama trying to explain just exactly what he said or do from one day to the next.

He doesn't. He tries to walk the press back to what he said through the dishonest Clinton and McCain spin.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:43:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

Your 9/11 comment is really very disappointing.


Barack Obama is my President. He'll be yours, too.
by Jeter on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:45:04 PM EST
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Re: A Qualified African American, Please - Not Oba (none / 0)

Why? It's true. The entire country rallied around New York after 9/11. The NYPD/NYFD hats and t-shirts, all the money donated. Even most Republicans were disgusted when Bush tried to backtrack on the funding.

I didn't wave the bloody shirt. Darwinism offered it as an example of Clinton's legislative fight. It wasn't. It isn't.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 06:49:07 PM EST
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and she actually won re-election. and she did not have alan keys to run against.


by darwinism on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:32:17 PM EST
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and she actually won re-election. and she did not have alan keys to run against.

Wow, an incumbent won re-election in one of the most reliably Democratic states in the country? With only thirty million dollars? And against John Townsend, the powerhouse former mayor of Yonkers? Yeah, he is no Alan Keyes. Less name recognition and a smaller fund-raising base.


by BlueinColorado on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:41:38 PM EST
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"He seems to have the Bush quality of thinking he is right simply because it's him thinking it.

From the moment I saw him there was something I didn't like"

And no, I did not even snip out an intervening 'thought'.


by My Ob on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:58:12 PM EST

This diary is proof (none / 0)


   of the old saying:  " You can't fix Stupid."

  It's just unbelievable! Not that I'm surprised, considering the diarist's history, but still.

  "You can't fix stupid."


by southernman on Mon May 19, 2008 at 03:59:43 PM EST

Re: This diary is proof (none / 0)

Actually, you CAN fix stupid. Just need some scissors and local anesthetic.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:58:00 PM EST
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So who is a qualified African-American candidate? (none / 0)

Go ahead, give me your short list.


by IncognitoErgoSum on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:09:02 PM EST

yeah (none / 0)

This is what I want to know.  Mr. Begala, it's clear you are reading these comments, so please answer.  Barack Obama was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, the fifth black U.S. Senator in history, a bestselling author, and a Grammy award winner.  That's just off the top of my head.  All of this is even more impressive given his comparative lack of advantages growing up.

If he's not a qualified African-American, who is?


by semiquaver on Mon May 19, 2008 at 05:39:58 PM EST
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This is really not an acceptable diary. Yes, I have frequently heard from Obama supporters the phrase I support women but just not "that" woman (as in Hillary Clinton). That is rationalization that covers sexism or self-hatred. When pressed, most people will admit it is an expression of anger about Hillary's vote for the Iraq War Resolution. Yes, sometimes there are more reasons, but when they veer into the Hillary is an ambitious, will do anything...blah, blah, blah it becomes intolerable sexism and nastiness. I can deal with that for what it is, and Senator Clinton has brilliantly dealt with it.This country has a big sexism problem.

That said, there are really quite a few things horribly wrong with this diary. You are assigning personality traits to Senator Obama, which is your right, but still an arrogant and destructive thing to do. I've only met Senator Obama a few times and am positive that you have not had the opportunity to exchange any words with him that would even give you a hint of what he is like - or give you any basis to offer your opinions. It's kind of like "mean girl" gossip. No one really wants to hear it anyway.

I also would be remiss if I didn't condemn for your really insidious and stupid racist remarks about young Black people. There are a lot of kids who have been failed by their parents, sometimes because they themselves have been beaten down by poverty or racism or just being worked night and day. That's just as true of kids of any race - there is a problem that needs to be addressed. Parents need resources and support and the tools to help their kids. Young people need solutions.

You've just written off an entire race of young people, not mentioning any potential solutions to your "issues" with them by saying that one candidate for office of the same race represents attributes that "we" don't want them to aspire to. That's pretty much the definition of racism, regardless of your stated "concern" for the young people of one race.

I think that "we" should encourage our kids to aspire to be themselves, and use Senator Obama as a role model or inspiration as they so choose. I would say that even if he were not running for President. The fact that he is makes him even more someone who could create a bridge where young people can see a man who has successfully navigated to a point in his life where he is willing to endure the sewer of politics to offer solutions to lead the country. I'm not his biggest political supporter, but I'm sure both he and I agree that we would hope any young person would aspire to be like Barack or Hillary or even people not involved in politics based on their positive aspects - not one of which you have felt compelled to mention.

So, I don't see anything but really base, racist, nasty political intentions in your diary.

Barack Obama is my President. He'll be yours, too.
by Jeter on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:26:26 PM EST

What a sad time for Republics like Mike? (none / 0)

This poster is a Republic, and he must be peeing in his pants at the shellacing his party is going to take in the fall?

His party had a chance to have perhaps the FIRST African American President in Colin Powell, but, of course, the White Evangelical Vote, the backbone of his party would never allow that?

So, I can see, on a cold day in late November, he and ChiTown Denny licking their wounds in some tavern someplace, as the ghastly results for Republics come in from across the nation?

We have seen the final frution of the Southern Strategy?

All the Republics will have left, is the deep south....


"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player
by WashStateBlue on Mon May 19, 2008 at 04:39:12 PM EST


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